N2003 and Win XP

Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers (9800Pro), the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same settings as my old Win98SE installation. I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept my old Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive to boot from so I am able to compare them easily. I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3D settings for both. Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the same triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP isntallation looks like a slide show. Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP. Joao Gonzalez

"Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]... > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my > faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers(9800Pro), > the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same settings as my > old Win98SE installation. > > I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept myold > Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive to bootfrom > so I am able to compare them easily. > > I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3Dsettings

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> for both. > > Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the same > triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP > isntallation looks like a slide show. > Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP. > > Joao Gonzalez > > >

Try this http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm DN

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:16:05 +0100, Joao Gonzalez wrote: > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my There also is a Linux version in the works (id has a good track record of porting their stuff to Linux). It will be a couple of weeks before it's stable according to linuxgames.com, so you can spend that time well on getting familiar with the Linux desktop ;-) So if you only need XP for a single game, give Linux a try on that XP partition and keep the rest of your gaming on 98SE. Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Joao Gonzalez) wrote: > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..) http://gaming.vulpinetech.com/ I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable than Win98. Andrew McP

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> In article <412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Joao Gonzalez) wrote: > > > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..) > > http://gaming.vulpinetech.com/ > > I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a > solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable than > Win98. > > Andrew McP

Thanks for the tips guys. I had a friend in my house today and he suggested I increase the refresh rate to 85Hz (was using 75Hz). Oddly enough, the N2003 Frame Rate increases drastically, its now at only about 10% less than in Win 98SE. Doing the same in Win 98SE does not increase FR (actually it lowers about 10%). Now I am baffled, surely an ATI Driver problem/bug? Regs.

Dig around in the ATI control panel and turn off v-synch. Steve "Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:412354ad$0$3587$[email hidden]...

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> > "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> In article <412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]>, >> [email hidden] (Joao Gonzalez) wrote: >> >> > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..) >> >> http://gaming.vulpinetech.com/ >> >> I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a >> solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable >> than >> Win98. >> >> Andrew McP > > Thanks for the tips guys. I had a friend in my house today and he > suggested > I increase the refresh rate to 85Hz (was using 75Hz). Oddly enough, the > N2003 Frame Rate increases drastically, its now at only about 10% less > than > in Win 98SE. Doing the same in Win 98SE does not increase FR (actually it > lowers about 10%). > > Now I am baffled, surely an ATI Driver problem/bug? > > Regs. > > >

It sounds like an ATI prob. Try: http://www.teamradeon.com/ http://www.tweakguides.com/Doom3_1.html (a Doom 3 tweak guide, but hey, ya never know) http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/Doom3/FPSVisuals.htm (ditto) http://www.gaminggroove.com/article.php?id=4 or d/l this ATI tool, here: http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/ or maybe it's an XP prob: http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are on the "uh-oh" list. --Steve Smith "Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]... > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my > faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers(9800Pro), > the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same settings as my > old Win98SE installation. > > I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept myold > Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive to bootfrom > so I am able to compare them easily. > > I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3Dsettings

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> for both. > > Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the same > triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP > isntallation looks like a slide show. > Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP. > > Joao Gonzalez > > >

It sounds like an ATI prob. Try: http://www.teamradeon.com/ http://www.tweakguides.com/Doom3_1.html (a Doom 3 tweak guide, but hey, ya never know) http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/Doom3/FPSVisuals.htm (ditto) http://www.***groove.com/article.php?id=4 or d/l this ATI tool, here: http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/ or maybe it's an XP prob: http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are on the "uh-oh" list. --Steve Smith

I dunno. A 9800 Pro ought to be capable of running a 2-yr-old pgm like N2003 w. vsynch on (assuming the CPU is something comparable; an Athlon XP 3000+, say). "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Dig around in the ATI control panel and turn off v-synch. > > Steve > "Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:412354ad$0$3587$[email hidden]... > > > > "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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> > news:[email hidden]... > >> In article <412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]>, > >> [email hidden] (Joao Gonzalez) wrote: > >> > >> > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..) > >> > >> http://gaming.vulpinetech.com/ > >> > >> I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a > >> solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable > >> than > >> Win98. > >> > >> Andrew McP > > > > Thanks for the tips guys. I had a friend in my house today and he > > suggested > > I increase the refresh rate to 85Hz (was using 75Hz). Oddly enough, the > > N2003 Frame Rate increases drastically, its now at only about 10% less > > than > > in Win 98SE. Doing the same in Win 98SE does not increase FR (actually

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> > lowers about 10%). > > > > Now I am baffled, surely an ATI Driver problem/bug? > > > > Regs. > > > > > > > >

Yer not running an LCD panel, are you? (If so, try 60 Hz.) "Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:412354ad$0$3587$[email hidden]...

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> > "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] (Joao Gonzalez) wrote: > > > > > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..) > > > > http://gaming.vulpinetech.com/ > > > > I haven't followed this in detail but the link above seems to lead to a > > solution. However I don't regret moving to XP. It's a lot more stable

than > > Win98. > > > > Andrew McP > > Thanks for the tips guys. I had a friend in my house today and hesuggested > I increase the refresh rate to 85Hz (was using 75Hz). Oddly enough, the > N2003 Frame Rate increases drastically, its now at only about 10% lessthan

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> in Win 98SE. Doing the same in Win 98SE does not increase FR (actually it > lowers about 10%). > > Now I am baffled, surely an ATI Driver problem/bug? > > Regs. > > >

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pBJUc.153645$[email hidden]...

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> It sounds like an ATI prob. > > Try: > > http://www.teamradeon.com/ > > http://www.tweakguides.com/Doom3_1.html > > (a Doom 3 tweak guide, but hey, ya never know) > > http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/Doom3/FPSVisuals.htm > > (ditto) > > http://www.gaminggroove.com/article.php?id=4 > > or d/l this ATI tool, here: > > http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/ > > or maybe it's an XP prob: > > http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm > > You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are on the "uh-oh"

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> > --Steve Smith > > "Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]... > > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my > > faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers > (9800Pro), > > the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same settings as

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> > old Win98SE installation. > > > > I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept my > old > > Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive to boot > from > > so I am able to compare them easily. > > > > I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3D > settings > > for both. > > > > Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the same > > triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP > > isntallation looks like a slide show. > > Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP. > > > > Joao Gonzalez > > > > > > > >

your all over this issue Steve..thanks for the links

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> "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pBJUc.153645$[email hidden]... > > It sounds like an ATI prob. > > > > Try: > > > > http://www.teamradeon.com/ > > > > http://www.tweakguides.com/Doom3_1.html > > > > (a Doom 3 tweak guide, but hey, ya never know) > > > > http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/Doom3/FPSVisuals.htm > > > > (ditto) > > > > http://www.gaminggroove.com/article.php?id=4 > > > > or d/l this ATI tool, here: > > > > http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/ > > > > or maybe it's an XP prob: > > > > http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm > > > > You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are on the "uh-oh" > list. > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > "Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]... > > > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my > > > faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers > (9800Pro), > > > the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same settings as > my > > > old Win98SE installation. > > > > > > I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept my > old > > > Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive to boot > from > > > so I am able to compare them easily. > > > > > > I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3D > settings > > > for both. > > > > > > Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the same > > > triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP > > > isntallation looks like a slide show. > > > Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP. > > > > > > Joao Gonzalez > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your all over this issue Steve..thanks for the links

Hi again. Tried all the advice here (thanks everybody) but I'm sort of back where I started. Here's a summary: Hardware: PIV 3GHz, ASUS i850 M/B, 512Mb RIMM, ATI9800Pro, Audigy, 19" Panasonic Monitor (CRT, not TFT) Software: WinXP, SP1+All Updates (No SP2 yet), ATI 4.8 Drivers (tried the last 4), Win XP configured with all the tweaks in Black Viper's page. Software Alternative Boot: Win98SE, ATI 4.3 Drivers Using the same graphics settings: 1280x1024x32, Refresh Rate 75Hz, AA 2x, AF 2x, V-Sync Off, N2003 configuredwith the exact same settings, the frame rate in N2003 is at least 10% less plus the game seems to freeze for a few miliseconds on track. In F1 Challenge the same % reduction but no freezing problems (Win98 compatibility mode for F1C). Also tried it online yesterday: for the same server the WinXP connection has some spikes in Latency and Quality, those do not appear in Win98SE. Stuff that I already tried with no success: Win98 compat mode for N2003, turning off LAN while racing off-line, several ATI Drivers, a spare ATI9600Pro, different refresh rates, etc., etc. Doom 3 can wait! I play N2003 90% of the time, going back to Win98!!!

It's NOT XP. What really helps with something like this is some sort of system configuration log, and a dump from HiJack This doesn't hurt either. -Larry "Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]... > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in my > faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers(9800Pro), > the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same settings as my > old Win98SE installation. > > I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept myold > Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive to bootfrom > so I am able to compare them easily. > > I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3Dsettings

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> for both. > > Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the same > triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP > isntallation looks like a slide show. > Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP. > > Joao Gonzalez > > >

>From: "Larry" [email hidden] >It's NOT XP. I agree. I run NR2003 on a 2.4 P4b on an Asus P4PE motherboard with 512 ram and an Abit Siluro T1 4200. Both the processor and the vid card are slightly overclocked. I have a dual boot system with Win 98 and XP sp1,with no tweaks, and find openGL running on XP to be the fastest and smoothest combination. I really have no idea what the problem is with your system, but it isn't XP. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age." ---- J.W Muller

"George Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >From: "Larry" [email hidden] > > >It's NOT XP. > > I agree. I run NR2003 on a 2.4 P4b on an Asus P4PE motherboard with 512ram and > an Abit Siluro T1 4200. Both the processor and the vid card are slightly > overclocked. > > I have a dual boot system with Win 98 and XP sp1,with no tweaks, and find > openGL running on XP to be the fastest and smoothest combination. I reallyhave > no idea what the problem is with your system, but it isn't XP. > > > George Adams > > "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the onlydream of > youth that doth not grow stale with age." > ---- J.W Muller > Flashed the BIOS. Seems to have solved the problem! Thanks for all that helped.

On 19 Aug 2004 05:17:23 -0700, Joao Gonzalez wrote: > > Doom 3 can wait! I play N2003 90% of the time, going back to Win98!!! Good to hear, you can be first in line for the Doom3 Linux version then ;-) I'm not sure if I'm going to buy Doom3, as I already was scared shitless after playing 20mins of Half Life. 8-P Sorry your troubles could not be resolved by the advice given here, Joao. Meanwhile, may I recommend Mandrake, Suse and Redhat as excellent all-purpose Linux distributions? Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Steve Smith" wrote... > <snip> > You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are > on the "uh-oh" list. Well, being the inquisitive type, I installed SP2 when prompted by Windows Update tonight. I haven't tested either game extensively, but they seem to work ok. What's supposed not to work? Jan. =---

MS didn't say. It's just on a black list. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nz9Vc.219431$[email hidden]...

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> "Steve Smith" wrote... > > <snip> > > You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are > > on the "uh-oh" list. > > Well, being the inquisitive type, I installed SP2 when prompted by Windows > Update tonight. > > I haven't tested either game extensively, but they seem to work ok. What's > supposed not to work? > > Jan. > =--- > >

It's on the list because SP2 turns on XP's firewall by default. Either use a real firewall, turn it off, or configure the firewall so the right ports are open. I don't know which ports N2003 uses, multiplayer is the least desirable part of the whole game. Phil "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2nmVc.34131$[email hidden]...

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> MS didn't say. It's just on a black list. > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nz9Vc.219431$[email hidden]... > > "Steve Smith" wrote... > > > <snip> > > > You didn't install SP2, didja? Both N2003 and F1C are > > > on the "uh-oh" list. > > > > Well, being the inquisitive type, I installed SP2 when prompted by

Windows > > Update tonight. > > > > I haven't tested either game extensively, but they seem to work ok.What's

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> > supposed not to work? > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > >

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2nmVc.34131$[email hidden]... > MS didn't say. It's just on a black list. MS shouldnt have needed to say. Its obvious that ANY program that accesses the internet could potentially have a problem with the firewall changes, and other internet security issues SP2 is supposed to fix.

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> > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2nmVc.34131$[email hidden]... >> MS didn't say. It's just on a black list. > > MS shouldnt have needed to say. Its obvious that ANY program that > accesses the internet could potentially have a problem with the > firewall changes, and other internet security issues SP2 is supposed > to fix. > > >

Are you KIDDING me Steve? 99.3% of the folks that install SP2 don't even know what a firewall is. All they will know is stuff that used to work just fine is broke. Calling MS's 1-800 number!!! We self-severing simmists, on the other hand, btw I just made that word up, guess which one, we are aware of such things, we know that anything MS can make can be hacked, probably even before it's completed it's gold disk duplication. Criminey...I'm betting there is some stuff in XP that won't work now with the new SP. Think the common folks will bother with the Readmes? :) dave henrie

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> Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in > my faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers > (9800Pro), the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same > settings as my old Win98SE installation. > > I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept > my old Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive > to boot from so I am able to compare them easily. > > I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3D > settings for both. > > Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the > same triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP > isntallation looks like a slide show. > Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP. > > Joao Gonzalez > > >

you can run doom in win98 :o) check out this link.... http://www.forumplanet.com/planetdoom/topic.asp?fid=5733&tid=1447895 i have a dual boot setup with xp just for doom 3 then i found this and use 98 with same fps as with xp, dunno if it works online,i have 56k so arent bothered really. hope it works for ya........

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> "Joao Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:412291b6$0$1831$[email hidden]: > > > Finally decided to buy Win XP (Doom 3 is XP only..). Installed it in > > my faster Hard drive (ATA 133), NTFS, Win Update, latest ATI Drivers > > (9800Pro), the works. Installed N2003 and configured in the exact same > > settings as my old Win98SE installation. > > > > I get almost exactly half the frame rate as I get in Win98SE. I kept > > my old Win98SE drive and using the BIOS setup I can decide wich drive > > to boot from so I am able to compare them easily. > > > > I'm using the same desktop resolution, refresh rate and the ATI 3D > > settings for both. > > > > Tried it also with F1 Challenge, it is even worst. It gives me the > > same triangle rate in both installations (55.7MTri/sec) but the Win XP > > isntallation looks like a slide show. > > Need some advice here guys, I almost ready to give up on XP. > > > > Joao Gonzalez > > > > > > > > you can run doom in win98 :o) check out this link.... > > http://www.forumplanet.com/planetdoom/topic.asp?fid=5733&tid=1447895 > > i have a dual boot setup with xp just for doom 3 then i found this and use > 98 with same fps as with xp, dunno if it works online,i have 56k so arent > bothered really. hope it works for ya........

Thanks Tango. I got it all sorted out in XP. Turns out my BIOS was reporting the incorrect memory size for the video card and this caused the freezes in N2003. I also sorted out the connection problems: I have a wireless LAN at home and was using an USB adapter, it worked fine under 98 but XP seems to be more sensitive to USB LAN connections, i switched from USB to PCI and it now works fine.