GP2: circuit bumpiness

Hi. I was reading over some of the advaned setup options in GP2 in order to improve my times at Monza (still in the 1:28 range with no help but braking) and noticed several references to bumpy circuits requiring specific setup adjustments. Also, I noticed several references to wet/oily track surfaces. My question is, does GP2 model these conditions? I've only run on Monza so far, and my impression is that this circuit is silky smooth - are there circuits that you can tell are bumpy? And since GP2 doesn't model weather (guess this Crammond fella isn't all he's cracked up to be), are there conditions where parts of the circuit become wet/oily? I havent yet noticed any oil leaks from accidents (with damage off, these F1 cars are still pretty damn indestructible - makes stock cars seem fragile in comparison). Thanks, Bill.

Dont know about the oil and water but there are definately bumps. Set your ride height real low and listen to the plank banging off the ground. Very noticeable at Pacific and right before Tosa on Imola.

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>Hi. I was reading over some of the advaned setup options in GP2 in >order to improve my times at Monza (still in the 1:28 range with no >help but braking) and noticed several references to bumpy circuits >requiring specific setup adjustments. Also, I noticed several >references to wet/oily track surfaces. >My question is, does GP2 model these conditions? I've only run on >Monza so far, and my impression is that this circuit is silky smooth - >are there circuits that you can tell are bumpy? And since GP2 doesn't >model weather (guess this Crammond fella isn't all he's cracked up to >be), are there conditions where parts of the circuit become wet/oily? >I havent yet noticed any oil leaks from accidents (with damage off, >these F1 cars are still pretty damn indestructible - makes stock cars >seem fragile in comparison).

Drop your car ride height down a bit, you will find that the tracks really are bumpy, even at Monza you will bottom out in certain areas of the long straights as the high speeds make your rear wing push the car down with down-force. It really is amazing the nice details that are included in GP2, bumps on the tracks is one of them. Cheers. --John -- ------------------- John (Joao) Silva http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsilva Seattle, Washington USA.

I started playing with the telemetry last night. I had wondered what the map was for. I discovered that when I zoom the X axis, the section of track relating to the graph is highlighted. You *can* see where you start to brake, where your car dives, and of course all the bumps being absorbed by the suspension. -- Suck The Goat

ii Hi there When I go into the pits in practice track mode - The engineers don't tell me anything. I am running with no sound is that the reason. Do I have to do anything special to get advise on my setup's rob

says... > ii > Hi there > When I go into the pits in practice track mode - The engineers don't tell

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> me anything. I am running with no sound is that the reason. > Do I have to do anything special to get advise on my setup's > rob > Those damn engineers. Every time I come into the pits and think I have > a good lap time and set up, the damn engineers start pointing at their > graphs and charts. Your not getting on the throttle early enough, you > spun the tires in the chicane, your bottoming on the plank. ***, > ***, ***.

He was kidding. He means HE was checking out the stats. Not the team. -- http://www.netins.net/showcase/mpete Nascar..Weather..OnNetCameras..Oddities..and more.. Stop on by, what can it hurt?

Those damn engineers. Every time I come into the pits and think I have a good lap time and set up, the damn engineers start pointing at their graphs and charts. Your not getting on the throttle early enough, you spun the tires in the chicane, your bottoming on the plank. ***, ***, ***. Seriously I can't believe how cool it is to have some real feed back on what my setup is changing. I seem to be spending more time in the pits than racing. I would have loved to have the kind of info GP2 provides when I raced my go kart. With a lot of time in the pits and looking at charts I dropped from 128's to low 1:11's at Pacific. N2KARTN

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> Hi. I was reading over some of the advaned setup options in GP2 in > order to improve my times at Monza (still in the 1:28 range with no > help but braking) and noticed several references to bumpy circuits > requiring specific setup adjustments. Also, I noticed several > references to wet/oily track surfaces. > My question is, does GP2 model these conditions? I've only run on > Monza so far, and my impression is that this circuit is silky smooth - > are there circuits that you can tell are bumpy? And since GP2 doesn't > model weather (guess this Crammond fella isn't all he's cracked up to > be), are there conditions where parts of the circuit become wet/oily? > I havent yet noticed any oil leaks from accidents (with damage off, > these F1 cars are still pretty damn indestructible - makes stock cars > seem fragile in comparison).

Put some packer in and lower your ride height - you will find that Monza is a pretty bumpy circuit when your on the bump ***s. Fiddle around a bit until you are on the bump ***s along the straight (so you can lower the ride height as much as possible), but use the suspension travel graph to ensure you are coming off the ***s in the corners (to get improved cornering control). Julian _____________________________________________________________________ University of Oxford

I have tried mailing Microprose/Spectrum-Holybyte or what ever they call themselfs these days, over these lack of weather changes. Alas, all my mails have fallen on deaf ears.... I guess they hoped it would slip by unnoticed. They judged us wrong.... Bumps are all very nices, but dont match the realism of constant weather changes. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Southend, Essex. UK -----------------------------------------------------------------

|> Hi. I was reading over some of the advaned setup options in GP2 in |> order to improve my times at Monza (still in the 1:28 range with no |> help but braking)... [snipped referring to oily/bumpy tracks] ^^^^^^^ There you go. Turn off auto brakes and your times will improve. You can usually brake much later than the computer would brake for you. -- My $0.02 (MSRP, plus shipping and handling, and applicable taxes. O.A.C., license, registration, PDI, freight, and insurance extra. Price subject to change without notice. Cash discounted, credit cards please add 3%)

:>> Those damn engineers. Every time I come into the pits and think I :>> have a good lap time and set up, the damn engineers start pointing at :>> their graphs and charts. Your not getting on the throttle early :>> enough, you spun the tires in the chicane, your bottoming on the :>> plank. ***, ***, ***. :> When I go into the pits in practice track mode - The engineers don't tell :> me anything. I am running with no sound is that the reason. :> :> Do I have to do anything special to get advise on my setup's Maybe you are in a European version. We in the US version get all kinds of radio communication with the pits. Things like, "I'm coming in for 2 tires and some fuel" or "turn the fuel mixture to 5" or "Your wife was good last night". It only comes over if you use a SB16/AWE32 card.

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>:>> Those damn engineers. Every time I come into the pits and think I >:>> have a good lap time and set up, the damn engineers start pointing at >:>> their graphs and charts. Your not getting on the throttle early >:>> enough, you spun the tires in the chicane, your bottoming on the >:>> plank. ***, ***, ***. >:> When I go into the pits in practice track mode - The engineers don't tell >:> me anything. I am running with no sound is that the reason. >:> >:> Do I have to do anything special to get advise on my setup's >Maybe you are in a European version. We in the US version get all kinds >of radio communication with the pits. Things like, "I'm coming in for 2 >tires and some fuel" or "turn the fuel mixture to 5" or "Your wife was >good last night". >It only comes over if you use a SB16/AWE32 card.

You should try the Irish version, Not only do you get advice about set-ups but Eddie Jordan pops round at 7pm and takes you to the pub for 7 pints of guinness and some cheese and onion crisps. That's detail for you... thanks Geoff!

>And since GP2 doesn't >model weather (guess this Crammond fella isn't all he's cracked up to >be) Come on... give the guy a break. The game is excellent for christ's sake! D. B.

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>Hi. I was reading over some of the advaned setup options in GP2 in >order to improve my times at Monza (still in the 1:28 range with no >help but braking) and noticed several references to bumpy circuits >requiring specific setup adjustments. Also, I noticed several >references to wet/oily track surfaces. >My question is, does GP2 model these conditions? I've only run on >Monza so far, and my impression is that this circuit is silky smooth - >are there circuits that you can tell are bumpy?

You should try racing at Hockenheim at the first long straight just before chicane 1 the car jumps quite a bit. And also in France at Magny-cours just before Adelaide hairpin. Cheers Martin

<snip> you forgot to mention the card needs to be set on IRQ 34...

There are TWO indications to a bumpy surface. The first, and obvious one, is that the plank will flash yellow on the car in your***pit showing that you are bottoming out. The more flashes, the more you are bottoming. if it stays a constant yellow, then you are so low that you are driving with the car touching the track. The plank will soon turn red from the friction and the car will slow down. The second, and not real obvious indicator, is that the car will 'bounce'. This can be SEEN because the view will slightly shake. It's not like in Duke3D when an earthquake goes off, but you should notice a shake to the view as you are driving. This is seen while in the***pit and viewing the normal driving view.

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>There are TWO indications to a bumpy surface. >The first, and obvious one, is that the plank will flash yellow on the car >in your***pit showing that you are bottoming out. The more flashes, the >more you are bottoming. if it stays a constant yellow, then you are so >low that you are driving with the car touching the track. The plank will >soon turn red from the friction and the car will slow down. >The second, and not real obvious indicator, is that the car will 'bounce'. >This can be SEEN because the view will slightly shake. It's not like in >Duke3D when an earthquake goes off, but you should notice a shake to the >view as you are driving. This is seen while in the***pit and viewing >the normal driving view.

If you listen careful you can also faintly hear the plank hitting. No, I am not making this up!

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>There are TWO indications to a bumpy surface. >The first, and obvious one, is that the plank will flash yellow on the car >in your***pit showing that you are bottoming out. The more flashes, the >more you are bottoming. if it stays a constant yellow, then you are so >low that you are driving with the car touching the track. The plank will >soon turn red from the friction and the car will slow down. >The second, and not real obvious indicator, is that the car will 'bounce'. >This can be SEEN because the view will slightly shake. It's not like in >Duke3D when an earthquake goes off, but you should notice a shake to the >view as you are driving. This is seen while in the***pit and viewing >the normal driving view.

Uhh-Ohh, seems like another f1gp star has his hands on gp2! eric

I find the car jolts around when I take fast corners but the plank does not light up & I cant see anything in the tech data saying I am bottoming out anywhere Any ideas Rob

Yep, you are _not_ bottoming out! (Use the Inspect Vehicle option in the advanced set-up screen to check if you are getting any plank wear if you doubt this). If you have lots of packers, you will be effectively racing without any springs. This makes it very bumpy, but with enough packers you will keep off the ground. On some circuits (try turn two at Hungary <g>) it is simply a very bumpy surface. You can notice the bumps even with a high ride height & soft springs. BTW You will only get plank wear (even on the bumpiest of circuits) if you lower the ride height of the car. Richard

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>>There are TWO indications to a bumpy surface. >>The first, and obvious one, is that the plank will flash yellow on the car >>in your***pit showing that you are bottoming out. The more flashes, the >>more you are bottoming. if it stays a constant yellow, then you are so >>low that you are driving with the car touching the track. The plank will >>soon turn red from the friction and the car will slow down.

SO that is what that flashing going on at Spa is! I've been wondering- I'd sort of decided it was traction loss indicator. Thanks for clearing that up.