GP2: Toughest course

Well, it's been a week now that we've all had GP2 here in the States, so what is the toughest course? My vote goes to that darned thing called Pacific. JEB in Vegas

> Well, it's been a week now that we've all had GP2 here > in the States, so what is the toughest course? > My vote goes to that darned thing called Pacific. Toughest to what? Learn, drive fast or win on? :-) Pacific certainly is ***. -- Tim Chown | GD Review http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview

I agree. My last three days have been on this circuit(well actually off more than on) and I have become frustrated enough to hurl my wheel at the nearest wall. My fastest time is a 1.13.461 but I have had a very difficult time bettering it. I think I will move on.

writes Yep, TI-Aida. It's actually not too bad except for the Redman/Hobbs section which is just ICE. :( Cheers! John _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

>Well, it's been a week now that we've all had GP2 here >in the States, so what is the toughest course? >My vote goes to that darned thing called Pacific. >JEB in Vegas naa, Pacific is easy. Monaco quite tricky to learn, but the toughest course I've so far driven is Brazil (those two first gear hairpins are tricky to get right. And the car seems relectunt to turn in to the second one). That said, I have yet to sample Japan (and that was probally the toughest track in F1GP). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you believe in the light, its because of obscurity If you believe in happiness, its because of unhappiness If you believe in God, its because of the Devil Father X - Exorcist, church of Notre Dame, Paris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

| >so what is the toughest course? | | but the toughest course I've so far driven is Brazil (those two first | gear hairpins are tricky to get right. I agree. I'm doing pretty good in the first part, but I'm having a hard time (read: spinning off) in the second part, especially the 2nd hairpin. Lots of understeer; very hard to get the card right. (anybody got a good setup?) --[ Edwin ]-- -- Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] -------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/people/edwin/ -----------------------

My fastest time was 1:21:3xxx (can't remember exactly) but in the race I never got faster than 1:23 something. Not very quick, I know, but my setup did help me get some stability in the tight hairpins. They are still mighty scary, though, and I'm sure my setup is less than optimal, but if you are slower than that, I'd be happy to send them to you. Scott -- I have seen the enemy, and it is my registry...

I have done a 1:20.1xx with very little wing (like front=3 and back=1), as stiff as you can get the car, and a very low ride height. I'm sure I could do better though with this setup. I did this hotlap with old tires and in the same outing the split times had me on pace for a 1:16.xxx when I spun off in the last second gear corner. So with new tires who knows. Anyone who wants the setup to play with please e-mail me. Dan

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|> |> >Well, it's been a week now that we've all had GP2 here |> >in the States, so what is the toughest course? |> |> >My vote goes to that darned thing called Pacific. |> |> |> >JEB in Vegas |> |> I always have a mental block on Hungary. This dates back to the old |> Amiga 500 days on F1GP. For some reason I`m always forgetting the |> layout and end up spinning off - no matter how many thousands of laps |> I do on it.

The toughest course? The most boring ones, including Portugal and Hungary. -- My $0.02 (MSRP, plus shipping and handling, and applicable taxes. O.A.C., license, registration, PDI, freight, and insurance extra. Price subject to change without notice. Cash discounted, credit cards please add 3%)

>Well, it's been a week now that we've all had GP2 here >in the States, so what is the toughest course? >My vote goes to that darned thing called Pacific. >JEB in Vegas I always have a mental block on Hungary. This dates back to the old Amiga 500 days on F1GP. For some reason I`m always forgetting the layout and end up spinning off - no matter how many thousands of laps I do on it.

>Toughest to what? Learn, drive fast or win on? :-) >Pacific certainly is ***. Well, my vote must go to Hungaroring. To track has got no rythm. I don't understand why keep that fixture. Cheers Martin

>Well, it's been a week now that we've all had GP2 here >in the States, so what is the toughest course? >My vote goes to that darned thing called Pacific. Haven't tried all the tracks in GP2 yet, but in F1GP (Amiga version) the worst track for me was Imola, San Marino. Never had any good luck in that one. I haven't tried that course in GP2 yet. Hungary, France, Belgium, Brazil and Australia are pretty easy... Silverstone is another one I never had a lot of sucess in...

Strange, I never mastered that one either, Aqua Minerale in GP1 was very unforgiving. I like Pacific, dead easy.

Imola is difficult but in a different sense than Pacific. On Imola I am having a hard time getting speeds down (1.25.54X is the lowest so far) I think it is a corner speed problem and all these new suspension options have me confused. Pacific I could run fast but it was very hard to stay on the track, I think I spent more time in the sand than on the track. I am limiting myself to 3-days per track right now in an effort to get a full championship season done. Hopefully this will give a good overall feel for the game.

I find Magney Course the toughest by far! Those super fast flat out turns scare the ***out of me. A little understeer and your in the sandbox at over 150mph. I hate it, it stresses the ***out of me!

>>Toughest to what? Learn, drive fast or win on? :-) >>Pacific certainly is ***. >Well, my vote must go to Hungaroring. To track has got no rythm. I >don't understand why keep that fixture. >Cheers >Martin A matter of taste... I actually like Hungaroring, spent the last night running on it first with GP2, and then (yes!) F1GP1. I was only practising so the appalling GP1 AI was not there to take my attention from the similarities between the two versions. GP1 is more slippery and a bit harder to steer (all helps and aids were off in both games), but braking is easier and the graphics are actually very functional after the flashy GP2 stuff.. Must be a weirdo, I enjoy playing ICR1 too, after long sessions of ICR2. A form of relaxation after hard racing :)

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>>Haven't tried all the tracks in GP2 yet, but in F1GP (Amiga version) >>the worst track for me was Imola, San Marino. Never had any good luck >Strange, I never mastered that one either, Aqua Minerale in GP1 was >very unforgiving. >>in that one. I haven't tried that course in GP2 yet. Hungary, >>France, Belgium, Brazil and Australia are pretty easy... >I like Pacific, dead easy.

I used to love Imola in F1GP and never had a problem with Aqua Minerale. It was that damned Variante Alfa that always caught me out... I like Pacific as well but I seem to have a problem with the rear always stepping out at Hobbs.. I guess Jerez might be a problem for many people due to a lack of circuit knowledge. Mark _________________________________ "..every lap I think `Oh bollocks! This is dreadful..`" Damon Hill __________________________________

Nope, my current fave! I'm not sure why, but I just ran two 100% races there, with a 1:23.7xx in race trim, and a 1:22.1xx in qualifying. Great track, with a lot of delicate throttle control required, precise apexing and one of the tracks where you gain time by using the kerbs :) Love it! Cheers! John _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

>I used to love Imola in F1GP and never had a problem with Aqua >Minerale. It was that damned Variante Alfa that always caught me >out... Me too, I`ve tried various setups but nothing solves the problem, the best way to take it is in 2nd without touching the accelerator.

After trying to come to grips with Montreal for a 100% champ. race, my vote tenatively goes to Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. In F1GP I could take the series of corners after the Island Hairpin flat out. In GP2 I take it in either 4th or 5th and the front end of the car does not want to turn. As a consequence, I get a truly hairy series of long skips through the bend. Magny Cours is next and I'm a little nervous about that first long sweeping high speed turn. Now i've also got to worry about gravel outside the bend. Fun, fun, fun! eric

<snip> <snip> The Jerez layout is quite interesting, but I don't like the turn between Curva Peluqui and Curva Ayrton Senna. It removes quite effectively potentially interesting fast turn (Senna) and good overtaking spot in the Curva Ducados hairpin. My favorites are Montreal, Spa and Suzuka. I think Spa doesn't need any comments. I even like the bus stop chicane, which I used to hate in F1GP. The phrase "Eau Rouge separates men from boys" finally means something in GP2 (when driving without helps)... Montreal and Suzuka have quite similar feel into them. Fast straights with high speed left and right combinations. Also most of slow turns are nice. My only bigger complaint is Suzuka's Casio chicane. The track would be almost perfect without it. BTW: If Microprose would only release "classic tracks" add-on for GP2. No need for "classic 70's driving model", but I'd love to take a tour in the old Nurburgring (Nordschleife), figure 8 Monza with superspeedway section, Brooklands, the old fast Silverstone, Zandvoort, South Africa (track name escapes from my mind) or even Long Beach street course - not really a big classic, but fun track;-) Pasi.

>BTW: If Microprose would only release "classic tracks" add-on for >GP2. No need for "classic 70's driving model", but I'd love to >take a tour in the old Nurburgring (Nordschleife), figure 8 Monza >with superspeedway section, Brooklands, the old fast Silverstone, >Zandvoort, South Africa (track name escapes from my mind) or even >Long Beach street course - not really a big classic, but fun track;-) I was pissed off that Phoenix was missing from the 1994 season (and hence GP2). I used to love that twisty little track. It`s similar to Monaco but a lot more forgiving.

>BTW: If Microprose would only release "classic tracks" add-on for >GP2. No need for "classic 70's driving model", but I'd love to >take a tour in the old Nurburgring (Nordschleife), figure 8 Monza >with superspeedway section, Brooklands, the old fast Silverstone, >Zandvoort, South Africa (track name escapes from my mind) or even >Long Beach street course - not really a big classic, but fun track;-) South Africa's GP track is called `Kyalami', which means `my home' in Zulu. The new track is a poor shadow of the former layout, which was last raced on by F1 cars in 1985 (winner: Mansell). I agree that the old track was a real classic - it had a massive, wide main straight on which the GP cars were flat out for its entire 2km length, culminating in a >90 deg corner. It also had beatiful gradient, equivalent to Interlagos, with a breathtaking sweep on the back straight. When I was a toddler I watched the likes of Graham Hill, Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart race it: fantastic memories. John Cape Town South Africa

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><snip> >>>I guess Jerez might be a problem for many people due to a lack of ><snip> >> Nope, my current fave! ><snip> >The Jerez layout is quite interesting, but I don't like the >turn between Curva Peluqui and Curva Ayrton Senna. It removes >quite effectively potentially interesting fast turn (Senna) and >good overtaking spot in the Curva Ducados hairpin. >My favorites are Montreal, Spa and Suzuka. I think Spa doesn't >need any comments. I even like the bus stop chicane, which I >used to hate in F1GP. The phrase "Eau Rouge separates men from boys" >finally means something in GP2 (when driving without helps)... >Montreal and Suzuka have quite similar feel into them. Fast >straights with high speed left and right combinations. Also >most of slow turns are nice. My only bigger complaint is >Suzuka's Casio chicane. The track would be almost perfect >without it. >BTW: If Microprose would only release "classic tracks" add-on for >GP2. No need for "classic 70's driving model", but I'd love to >take a tour in the old Nurburgring (Nordschleife), figure 8 Monza >with superspeedway section, Brooklands, the old fast Silverstone, >Zandvoort, South Africa (track name escapes from my mind) or even >Long Beach street course - not really a big classic, but fun track;-) >Pasi.

The South African Track is Kyalami. The old track was AWESOME, and unfortunatly due a couple of capitalist pigs!! we lost it and now have a techinical and twisty unchallenging NEW Kyalami. Clyde Wynter Johannesburg South Africa

Ahhhhhh - Zandvoort! Tarzan!! :) Now this I like! While we're on the subject, I would like Brands Hatch, Watkins Glen (the F1 track with the parts missing from NASCAR), Paul Ricard, Jacarapagua and, of course, the Osterreichring! More tracks with long fast corners, sweeping curves, and the classic "looooooong straight followed by hairpin" - Tarzan is a perfect section of track. Cheers! John _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

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>>BTW: If Microprose would only release "classic tracks" add-on for >>GP2. No need for "classic 70's driving model", but I'd love to >>take a tour in the old Nurburgring (Nordschleife), figure 8 Monza >>with superspeedway section, Brooklands, the old fast Silverstone, >>Zandvoort, South Africa (track name escapes from my mind) or even >>Long Beach street course - not really a big classic, but fun track;-) >I was pissed off that Phoenix was missing from the 1994 season (and >hence GP2). I used to love that twisty little track. It`s similar to >Monaco but a lot more forgiving.

Think how pissed off us people are that live in the Phoenix area. Now the only way we can see a F1 race "live" is to get up at 4AM and watch it on ESPN2 cable. Ron McGlade - Team OS/2 Scottsdale, Arizona On 08/09/96 at 20:15:06 -0700 ------ As confused as a baby at a *** bar.

: I was pissed off that Phoenix was missing from the 1994 season (and : hence GP2). I used to love that twisty little track. It`s similar to : Monaco but a lot more forgiving. Heh, same here. Phoenix was the track I was best at on GP1. Partly because it was first in the championship season so I ended up driving it a LOT. Probally the only track that I know off by heart, although Brazil and Monaco come close with reguards to me knowing the track. But it makes perfect sense for it not to be inlcuded seeing how Phoenix hasn't been run on for years. ### ./\. ### JASON POTAPOFF. Edmonton, Alberta, Canada ### \ / ### "You got any toilet paper over there?" ### >______< ### "No." ### / ### "You got five ones for a five?"

And what about Donnington? IMHO the best cuircuit in Britain, the home of motor racing. I think also, Brands Hatch has a good call here, that drive upto to the hairpin from the main straight just has to be seen. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Southend, Essex. UK -----------------------------------------------------------------

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>>BTW: If Microprose would only release "classic tracks" add-on for >>GP2. No need for "classic 70's driving model", but I'd love to >>take a tour in the old Nurburgring (Nordschleife), figure 8 Monza >>with superspeedway section, Brooklands, the old fast Silverstone, >>Zandvoort, South Africa (track name escapes from my mind) or even >>Long Beach street course - not really a big classic, but fun track;-) >I was pissed off that Phoenix was missing from the 1994 season (and >hence GP2). I used to love that twisty little track. It`s similar to >Monaco but a lot more forgiving.

Don't forget the old Spa-course, Le Mans or Isle of Man :) /Stefan -- =========================================================================== University of Dalarna |WWW: http://www.big.du.se/~psyko Sweden |