Am I the only one using VGA

I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though.

> I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. I ran VGA on a P133 until someone told me to lower the frame rate below the suggested one - now I run in SVGA with most textures on at 16fps - doesn't sound a lot, but is very playable. Once I had played in SVGA I couldn't go back to VGA! Ugh! Julian _____________________________________________________________________ University of Oxford

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> > I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. > I ran VGA on a P133 until someone told me to lower the frame rate below > the suggested one - now I run in SVGA with most textures on at 16fps - > doesn't sound a lot, but is very playable. Once I had played in SVGA I > couldn't go back to VGA! Ugh! > Julian > _____________________________________________________________________ > University of Oxford >I'm running GP2 on a P75, only in VGA, it flows well and is very playable. I figure when I buy my next P600 in 2002 I'll be able to run

SVGA. Snake

>I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. I used to play in VGA with just about all detail/texture on (about 16fps). I then switched most texture off and ran in SVGA (about 13fps). I`ve now switched almost all detail off (18.4 fps with occupancy to spare). I think it is much easier to drive like this. Others say I am imagining it. Mark _________________________________ "..every lap I think `Oh bollocks! This is dreadful..`" Damon Hill __________________________________

Nope, you're not. I also prefer a higher framerate with all graphics on. VGA RULES!!! Tony...

On Thu, 01 Aug 1996 12:40:36 +0200, Peter Herzhoff

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>> >I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. >> Nope, you're not. I also prefer a higher framerate with all graphics >> on. VGA RULES!!! >> Tony... >No, VGA rules not, but in VGA the game runs smoother and the driving >feeling is much more better. Of course the SVGA is in principle better >but the real feeling is in VGA with all deatils turn on better then in >SVGA with some deatails and a low framerate. >BTW I have a OC 120 MHz; 16MB, 1MB miro 12sd. >Peter Herzhoff

I've a 486DX2/66 with 20MB and a Trident 8900D card and at 8fps get average occupancies around 80%. Can anyone suggest what part of the system could be slowing it down most? I'm thinking of getting a P100 and follow up with a new gfx card. Rob.

>>I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. >Nope, you're not. I also prefer a higher framerate with all graphics >on. VGA RULES!!! I also use VGA. With all textures ON at the highest detail level (plus most items visible in the mirrors), I get an estimate of >25.6 fps. FWIW, my computer is a P133 with 256K cache, 16 megs memory, 1 meg PCI Diamond Stealth SE video card. ____________________________________________________________________ Ligneous and petrous projectiles can potentially fracture my osseous structure, but pejorative appellations will forever remain innocuous.

> I've a 486DX2/66 with 20MB and a Trident 8900D card and at 8fps get > average occupancies around 80%. Can anyone suggest what part of the > system could be slowing it down most? I'm thinking of getting a P100 > and follow up with a new gfx card. Graphics card on and ISA bus? -- Suck The Goat

.> .> .> > .> >>I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. .> > .> >Nope, you're not. I also prefer a higher framerate with all graphics .> >on. VGA RULES!!! .> .> I also use VGA. With all textures ON at the highest detail level (plus .> most items visible in the mirrors), I get an estimate of >25.6 fps. .> .> FWIW, my computer is a P133 with 256K cache, 16 megs memory, 1 meg PCI .> Diamond Stealth SE video card. .> ____________________________________________________________________ .> Ligneous and petrous projectiles can potentially fracture my osseous .> structure, but pejorative appellations will forever remain innocuous. I have a DX4-100 :( So Yes, I use VGA also. Can't we get a GP2 port to Alpha????? :) ken

> >I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. > Nope, you're not. I also prefer a higher framerate with all graphics > on. VGA RULES!!! > Tony... No, VGA rules not, but in VGA the game runs smoother and the driving feeling is much more better. Of course the SVGA is in principle better but the real feeling is in VGA with all deatils turn on better then in SVGA with some deatails and a low framerate. BTW I have a OC 120 MHz; 16MB, 1MB miro 12sd. Peter Herzhoff

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> >I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. > I used to play in VGA with just about all detail/texture on (about > 16fps). I then switched most texture off and ran in SVGA (about > 13fps). I`ve now switched almost all detail off (18.4 fps with > occupancy to spare). I think it is much easier to drive like this. > Others say I am imagining it.

I use Vga as my P-66 can't get above 15fps in SVGA with no detail. So I run VGA with smoke, curbs, and track drawing in mirror and get and estimate of over 25.6 but I set it at 21.3 to make sure it doesn't slow down anywhere. I think it's easier as my system would be crawling if I was in SVGA. -- Robert Knauber SRA Series Director http://www.erols.com/dknauber/sra/top.html http://www.git.net/knauber/top.html

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>> >I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. >> I used to play in VGA with just about all detail/texture on (about >> 16fps). I then switched most texture off and ran in SVGA (about >> 13fps). I`ve now switched almost all detail off (18.4 fps with >> occupancy to spare). I think it is much easier to drive like this. >> Others say I am imagining it. >I use Vga as my P-66 can't get above 15fps in SVGA with no detail. So I >run VGA with smoke, curbs, and track drawing in mirror and get and >estimate of over 25.6 but I set it at 21.3 to make sure it doesn't slow >down anywhere. I think it's easier as my system would be crawling if I >was in SVGA. >-- >Robert Knauber >SRA Series Director >http://www.erols.com/dknauber/sra/top.html >http://www.git.net/knauber/top.html

Your not the only one in VGA. I have a P133 with a Matrox Millenium and I also run in VGA. I have about all the details on except sky and can get a frame rate at 21 or 25 with all detail. According to gp2log my video score is one of the highest i've seen in this newsgroup being a 457 and my cpu speed is 258. I hate running with a low frame rate or low detail in SVGA. I'm not looking at the stuff around me when I'm in the car, but when it's not there I miss it. Al

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> > >I have a 150 and I use VGA in GP2, am I alone? It really flies though. > > I used to play in VGA with just about all detail/texture on (about > > 16fps). I then switched most texture off and ran in SVGA (about > > 13fps). I`ve now switched almost all detail off (18.4 fps with > > occupancy to spare). I think it is much easier to drive like this. > > Others say I am imagining it. > I use Vga as my P-66 can't get above 15fps in SVGA with no detail. So I > run VGA with smoke, curbs, and track drawing in mirror and get and > estimate of over 25.6 but I set it at 21.3 to make sure it doesn't slow > down anywhere. I think it's easier as my system would be crawling if I > was in SVGA. > -- > Robert Knauber > SRA Series Director > http://www.erols.com/dknauber/sra/top.html > http://www.git.net/knauber/top.html

I have a P100 and I have been playing in VGA for a while now and it gives a better sense of speed than in SVGA which was like driving in molasses. In SVGA with auto detail I was getting 100% processor occ. just sitting on the grid! In VGA it's more like 60% or 70%. I also do not leave the smoke on because it really drags my machine down. Dave -- Dave Palace

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>I have a P100 and I have been playing in VGA for a while now and it >gives a better sense of speed than in SVGA which was like driving in >molasses. In SVGA with auto detail I was getting 100% processor occ. >just sitting on the grid! In VGA it's more like 60% or 70%. I also do >not leave the smoke on because it really drags my machine down. >Dave >-- >Dave Palace

Thats right! I used to had a P100, and I played it in VGA. Now I have a P166, and with SVGA this thing really flies ... Rui Cook Ferrari, chariots of God

Where did you buy this P100? You need to send it back or get it upgraded. I have a AMD586/133 which is the equivelant of a P75 - P90. I run with ALL details in SVGA and it is Smooth. -- Lannie Schafroth

>Where did you buy this P100? You need to send it back or get it >upgraded. I have a AMD586/133 which is the equivelant of a P75 - P90. >I run with ALL details in SVGA and it is Smooth. Errrr.... the cow flop detector has just emitted it characteristic high pitched whine, indicating close proximity to BS. Don't know what an AMD586/133 is but it sure looks like a P133 which is not, repeat, not the equivalent of a P75-90. In fact, if what you say is true, it sounds as if your Sneed is the equivalent of a DEC ALPHA 500mhz. If indeed sky can be run on even this machine. Point being, you don't get smooth play with ALL details on in SVGA. Any other ideas on what 586/133 could be? ...maybe an ***ly high *** pressure? eric (who better get that systolic checked)

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>>Where did you buy this P100? You need to send it back or get it >>upgraded. I have a AMD586/133 which is the equivelant of a P75 - P90. >>I run with ALL details in SVGA and it is Smooth. >Errrr.... the cow flop detector has just emitted it characteristic high >pitched whine, indicating close proximity to BS. >Don't know what an AMD586/133 is but it sure looks like a P133 which is >not, repeat, not the equivalent of a P75-90. >In fact, if what you say is true, it sounds as if your Sneed is the >equivalent of a DEC ALPHA 500mhz. If indeed sky can be run on even this >machine. Point being, you don't get smooth play with ALL details on in >SVGA. >Any other ideas on what 586/133 could be? ...maybe an ***ly high *** >pressure? >eric (who better get that systolic checked)

An AMD586/133 is not the equivalent of a P5-133. He's right, it's probably closer to a P5-90. All the same, I agree with you. I have a P5-166 I just picked up this weekend and I still prefer to run with all textures off except skid marks. I'll take frame rate over eye candy any day of the week. Dave "davids" Sparks Late Nite League http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

>>>Where did you buy this P100? You need to send it back or get it >>>upgraded. I have a AMD586/133 which is the equivelant of a P75 - P90. >>>I run with ALL details in SVGA and it is Smooth. >>Errrr.... the cow flop detector has just emitted it characteristic high >>pitched whine, indicating close proximity to BS. Ummmmmmmm.... It would appear as if my cowflop detector is not hooked up to the icr/nascar detector. It would seem as if this may have initially been an icr post in response to a gp2 post (no label=no filter-=mass confusion). While the cowflop detector is highly reliable and inimicably accurate it would appear as if it is, nevertheless, susceptible to user malfunction. That said, I still don't think icr would boogie with all detail on in SVGA based on my experience with a P100. with acrimonious apologies, eric

Perhaps wiring the cowflop detector through the user-malfunction detector prior to reconnecting the icr/nascar detector would be a wiser approach. Additional wiring would be required, however, the longterm benefits could prove worthwhile for a minimul investment. I think you're right about "boogie-ing". Chuck :) :) great stuff Eric >>>upgraded. I have a AMD586/133 which is the equivelant of a P75 - P90. >>>I run with ALL details in SVGA and it is Smooth. >>Errrr.... the cow flop detector has just emitted it characteristic high >>pitched whine, indicating close proximity to BS. Ummmmmmmm.... It would appear as if my cowflop detector is not hooked up to the icr/nascar detector. It would seem as if this may have initially been an icr post in response to a gp2 post (no label=no filter-=mass confusion). While the cowflop detector is highly reliable and inimicably accurate it would appear as if it is, nevertheless, susceptible to user malfunction. That said, I still don't think icr would boogie with all detail on in SVGA based on my experience with a P100. with acrimonious apologies, eric

> Where did you buy this P100? You need to send it back or get it > upgraded. I have a AMD586/133 which is the equivelant of a P75 - P90. > I run with ALL details in SVGA and it is Smooth. I have tried it on a AMD586/133 < i was going to do a little upgrade from my DX2/66 > but i decided not to because i did not see a big difference. What kinda Video card are you using?

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>>Where did you buy this P100? You need to send it back or get it >>upgraded. I have a AMD586/133 which is the equivelant of a P75 - P90. >>I run with ALL details in SVGA and it is Smooth. >Errrr.... the cow flop detector has just emitted it characteristic high >pitched whine, indicating close proximity to BS. >Don't know what an AMD586/133 is but it sure looks like a P133 which is not, >repeat, not the equivalent of a P75-90. >In fact, if what you say is true, it sounds as if your Sneed is the >equivalent of a DEC ALPHA 500mhz. If indeed sky can be run on even this >machine. Point being, you don't get smooth play with ALL details on in SVGA. >Any other ideas on what 586/133 could be? ...maybe an ***ly high *** >pressure?

It's basically a 486 DX4-133. They stick a P75 on the end of the 133 (i.e., AMD 5x86-133 P75), presumably to denote it's equivalent in performance to a Pentium 75. I've been told it tests around a P75 - P90, as someone else said, depending on how you test it. Whatever it is, the cow flop detector seems to be working fine. I have the 5x86-133 and get about 16 fps with all trackside objects & trackside textures on. Everything else is off; track & trackside objects are on in the mirrors. Not a bad improvement over a DX2-66, especially considering the < $45 cost. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bob Bruss ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

<snip> ==================== The "586/133" is actually a 5x86/133. A clock quadrupled 486-33. It is (according to performance tests) roughly equivalent to a P75/90... but then the "performance" tests try to simulate an *average* computer user's needs. (who's average?) I've found that games tend to rate higher than spreadsheets and databases due to the fact that many of them just like clock speed and aren't affected that much by the other enhancements of pentiums. So if you ask PC magazine how fast a 5x86/133 is, you'll get a completely different answer than the one you get from a gamer who owns one. (or two <g>) If it was truly slower than a P90, then it should have a slower frame rate in games than a comparably equipped P90 - which it does not. (overclock one to 150mhz and really start having fun!) Mike -who has both