GP 2 is out in Germany !!!

Hi everyone, Grand Prix 2 is on sale in Germany! I bought it yesterday in a Karstadt Company shop. It is the fully German version. Even the***pit display in the game is in German. They had about 50 copies of it there at Karstadt. I played it and it is much fun even on my 486 DX-2/66 although i can run it in VGA only with most details off due to graphics speed. But I get 17 frames per second and it is sufficient for me. It is really great especially the spectacular accidents with (my) car flying through the air when hitting another car. The artificial intellicence of the drivers is very impressive. One time I had Jean Alesi zigzagging wildly behind me at Hockenheim when he tried to find a way to overtake me. You can see it in the back mirrors that it is him and not Gerhard Berger because he is very aggressive. The car behaves very nervous when you hit the curbs because you loose a lot of ground effect. I have got a Thrustmaster T1 steering wheel unit and you can adjust it in the options and save the settings to a file. You only have to calibrate it the first time you set the options. It works great with the game, much much better than with F1GP. The game comes on a CD-ROM with a color manual and a little introduction manual. There is no question for a word out of the manual when you start the game like in F1GP. My version is 1.0b. I think you can buy it the next days in the other countries. Stay tuned -- Ruediger 'Gremlin' Gemmrig ----------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~etk11470/index.html -----------------------------------------------------------------

PLEASE PLEASE.... If you have a running copy of the game, and wanne be the most popular guy on the net !! Send us MORE MORE MORE information on the game. Take a sec and reply to some of the questions in this newsgroup

I played it and it is much fun even on my 486 DX-2/66 although I thought min. requirements were DX-100 ???? Greetings, Patrick

> I played it and it is much fun even on my 486 DX-2/66 although > >i can run it in VGA only with most details off due to graphics speed. > I thought min. requirements were DX-100 ???? > Greetings, Patrick On the box it says 486 DX-2/66 minimum, DX4 advised, pentium best. And besides that: it runs on my DX-2/66 with 17 fps! -- Ruediger 'Gremlin' Gemmrig ----------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~etk11470/index.html -----------------------------------------------------------------

> I played it and it is much fun even on my 486 DX-2/66 although > >i can run it in VGA only with most details off due to graphics speed. > I thought min. requirements were DX-100 ???? > Greetings, Patrick No , that's wrong. The min. requirement is a 80486 DX2-66 and the recommended processor is a DX4 . Believe me , I bought it in Germany 3 days ago . Bye , your Roman

the great and intrepid Ruediger Gemmrig >Hi everyone, >Grand Prix 2 is on sale in Germany! I bought it yesterday in a Karstadt >Company shop. It is the fully German version. HAAAAAA! Now it's OUR turn to invade Germany instead of the other way round ;-) I advise you to close all windows and doors, 'cause I'm coming to get Grand Prix 2!!!!!!!!!! (the sound of bullets being placed in a riot gun and the start of a car-engine.....) "Gravity doesn't exist; the Earth sucks!"

the great and intrepid Ruediger Gemmrig

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>Hi everyone, >Grand Prix 2 is on sale in Germany! I bought it yesterday in a Karstadt >Company shop. It is the fully German version. Even the***pit display >in the game is in German. They had about 50 copies of it there at >Karstadt. I played it and it is much fun even on my 486 DX-2/66 although >i can run it in VGA only with most details off due to graphics speed. >But I get 17 frames per second and it is sufficient for me.

Can you be a bit more specific about "most details off" ? Is it sufficient to disable all textures to get 25 fps? Just curious.... Jo "Gravity doesn't exist; the Earth sucks!"

Hi, Sorry, the text is not in English... GP 2 13.07.96 99,- DM inkl. CD, sehr ausfuehrliches Handbuch und Mousepad Mit einem Pentium 100 komme ich (ohne Himmel und Gebaeude) in SVGA auf 16 Frames/sec.. SVGA ist sehr schoen, vorallem die F1-Wagen sind fast fotorealistisch. VGA ist leider sehr verpixelt aber dafuer kann man es mit !allen! Details mit ca: 20 Frames/sec. spielen. Die Lenkung und das Handling ist zum Glueck genauso gut wie in F1GP. Es gibt sehr umfangreiche Einstellungen fuer die F1-Wagen und man kann jede Runde bis auf das kleinste Auswerten. Die Gegner sind intelligenter geworden - jetzt ist man nicht mehr der einzigste, der in Adelaide nach der langen Geraden sich in die Kurve rechts auf dem kuerzesten Wege hineinbremst. Negativ: - Der Replaymodus zeigt leider nur die letzten 20 sec. - Nur 1994 Saison - keine Netzwerk-Option - Wetteroption? Positiv: - alles andere... So, jetzt muss ich aber wieder spielen... Ciao StS

> PLEASE PLEASE.... > If you have a running copy of the game, and wanne be the most popular > guy on the net !! Send us MORE MORE MORE information on the game. Take a > sec and reply to some of the questions in this newsgroup What do You want to know? Car physics are fantastic. The car gets instable if You hit the curbs because you lose ground effect. I'm an old experinced driver at F1GP but Grand Prix 2 makes a rookie out of me again. I never had so much wheel spinning and brakes locking (and therefore exploring the gravel traps he he) before. If you brake down at hi speed with a steering wheel pedal unit you have to release the brake pedal a little bit when slowing down under 60mph/100kph otherwise the brakes will lock then. In the setups you can lower the car body at front and rear so the different ground effect causes understeer or oversteer. The wooden plank gets damaged if you lower the car body to much. There are telemetric displays where you can see the differences between laps: rpm, mph/kph, steering, brakes, wheels, acceleration etc. There is so much new, so if You want to know more ask me then. Stay tuned -- Ruediger 'Gremlin' Gemmrig ----------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~etk11470/index.html -----------------------------------------------------------------

If you have a running copy of the game, and wanne be the most popular Do you really think that anyone who has bought the game will take the time to read, let alone post to, this news group? ;-) If I had the game, I probably would call in sick to work for a whole week and chain myself to the computer! -- Regards, -Dirt- ******************************************************************* * Chris Cavin University of Missouri - Rolla * * 101 W 15th St #9 Mechanical Engineering 1996 * * Rolla MO 65401 Go Miners!* *******************************************************************

Hi I had to try 3 Karstadt shops in Munich to get my copy. What a race ! I got the last of 10 copys. Who said that the games costs 120 DM ? I only paid 99.95 DM ! My 486DX2/66 PCI/Cirrusgraphic 1MB gives a performance of 17 fps VGA with nearly all details on. I only turned of SKY and FENCES. I only disabled the most textures in the mirrors ! only the track and smoke is turned on. But I can only says that the game runs fine with those settings in Interlagos Only i go into the box they detaillevel is a little bit to high for my computer. ALT D has the function as in GP1. Turn down the Trackdetail in 4 steps. So you can turn of bothering details if the spped is not sufficient ! So you can see that my configuration is very old but GP2 is playable ! Breaking is a little bit tricky. You can easily lock up the front tyres and it needs a little bit experience to get the right braking point. Now the most functions of GPPERF GPLAP GPGAP are included. The carsetup has gotten more complex then GP1 but the datalog is very good so that you can easily improve you car. It logs the Speed, Distance from Ground, RPM, RPM of every wheel, Groundcontact of every wheel usw. In cause of the rules of the 1994 saison you have to be careful with the woodplate mounted at the bottom of the car. (Schumacher SPA 1994) ! I still have to tried to turn all textures off because 17 fps are sufficient for me but i think that it should be possible to reach the 25 fps I tried the game on a frieds 166 MHz Pentium 256kB Burst Cache and 32 MB 60ns FPM RAM in SVGA and a SPEA V7 MIRAGE 2MB (old one). You can run the game in full details an 25 fps but is's very slow ! If you turn of some mirrordetails the game is really getting fine ! The Graphic is still brilliant and the detail level is adequte The sound is great ! You can hear the gears changing and if you shift down the hole gear gets a little bit nervous ! Great driving feeling ! If you are behind another car you are able to your opponent shifting down Little flames*** out of the exhaust pipe. If the car has contact to ground the car emitts sparks. Overall the best I ever played ! You can chosse between three installationtypes Minimum 9MB Normal 47MB Best 58MB So clean up your harddisk ! Andi

Thanks Andi, for this wonderfull update... but I want to hear more, more more..... a) Is it much more difficult than F1GP 1 ? b) Can you compete for the 1st place in every race already? (if yes at what level) c) Who is driving the second Benneton?? (Jos? Johnny? JJ?) d) What track do you like best and why?? e) Which tracks are new compared with F1GP1 and which are left out? f) Is the game still nice in VGA ??? (better than ICR2 in VGA??) g) what happens when you get stuck in de sandtraps.. do you leave the race or can you continue after some seconds ?? h) Do computercars still crash easily like they did in the Beta-versions? i) are there still 26 cars in each race,?? j) are there stop and go penalties ??? or Black flag ???? k) are there one or two qualifying sessions ? l) is there a speeding limit in the Pit? m) can you steer and brake in the pit or does the computer do this like in F1gp1 ?? n) When there is a failure in your car can you (when its not that bad) get it fixed in the Pit ore are you just out of the race? o) Is the computer car's AI really that good (like you can recognise Alesi from by his driving style)? p) Do you have to give a word from the manual again when you start up the game? I hope to get some answers , Greetings Patrick...

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> Thanks Andi, for this wonderfull update... but I want to hear more, > more more..... > a) Is it much more difficult than F1GP 1 ? > b) Can you compete for the 1st place in every race already? > (if yes at what level) > c) Who is driving the second Benneton?? (Jos? Johnny? JJ?) > d) What track do you like best and why?? > e) Which tracks are new compared with F1GP1 and which are left out? > f) Is the game still nice in VGA ??? (better than ICR2 in VGA??) > g) what happens when you get stuck in de sandtraps.. do you leave the > race or can you continue after some seconds ?? > h) Do computercars still crash easily like they did in the Beta-versions? > i) are there still 26 cars in each race,?? > j) are there stop and go penalties ??? or Black flag ???? > k) are there one or two qualifying sessions ? > l) is there a speeding limit in the Pit? > m) can you steer and brake in the pit or does the computer do this > like in F1gp1 ?? > n) When there is a failure in your car can you (when its not that bad) > get it fixed in the Pit ore are you just out of the race? > o) Is the computer car's AI really that good (like you can recognise Alesi from > by his driving style)? > p) Do you have to give a word from the manual again when you start up the game? > I hope to get some answers , > Greetings Patrick...

Hey, buy the game and enjoy it! Peter

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>> I hope to get some answers , >> Greetings Patrick... >Hey, buy the game and enjoy it! >Peter

yes, *** knows, I'd like to but the ***y game isn't out yet in Holland.. Like in football germans are always on the lucky side.... Lucky bastard share your pleasure with us !!!

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> If you have a running copy of the game, and wanne be the most popular > > guy on the net !! Send us MORE MORE MORE information on the game. Take a > > sec and reply to some of the questions in this newsgroup > Do you really think that anyone who has bought the game will take the > time to read, let alone post to, this news group? ;-) If I had the game, > I probably would call in sick to work for a whole week and chain myself > to the computer! > -- > Regards, > -Dirt-

It is a really hard job replying to the posts and not playing the game, You are right ;-) Stay tuned -- Ruediger 'Gremlin' Gemmrig ----------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~etk11470/index.html -----------------------------------------------------------------

I've heard various reports that the weather changes would not be implimented in the game, they would come later, however a week or two ago, I heard that all the weather wuld be put in. Whats the truth????

> I've heard various reports that the weather changes would not be > implimented in the game, they would come later, however a week > or two ago, I heard that all the weather wuld be put in. > Whats the truth???? No weather changes only blue skies (at least in my copy), sorry to destroy Your dreams. -- Ruediger 'Gremlin' Gemmrig ----------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~etk11470/index.html -----------------------------------------------------------------

> Thanks Andi, for this wonderfull update... but I want to hear more, > more more..... > a) Is it much more difficult than F1GP 1 ? Yes, more difficult. Car behaves very nervous when hitting the curbs because you loose ground effect. No, I'm really an experienced F1GP driver but this game makes me an rookie again. Jos Verstappen. Monaco, naturally! The graphics are splendid. New: Aida, Jerez. Left out: Phoenix, Mexico. It is the 1994 season. Still nice in VGA, better than Indycar in VGA. You can get out of the traps but you loose a lot of time because the wheels are spinning all the time. Only Ukyo Katayama ;-) Yes. Black flag for taking the abbreviation through the gravel traps, but it depends if you tried to brake before. If you didn't brake then the black flag comes out. Two qualifying sessions. Usually Friday and Saturday. Only Monaco Thursday and Saturday like the real sessions. Yes but only during official training sessions, qualifying sessins and races. Not at normal testing sessions. 80 kilometers per hour. You can steer and brake in the pit. You can get fixed broken front and rear wings and flat tyres. I had a red Ferrari behind me at Hockenheim. In the rear mirror I could see it zigzagging wildly behind me to overtake me. I thought it must be Alesi and not Berger, it was his driving style: aggressive and unexpected. When he overtook me I saw it was him. No, but I think the game would not start without the CD-ROM. I'm not sure. And I hope you will read this answers ;-) Stay tuned -- Ruediger 'Gremlin' Gemmrig ----------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~etk11470/index.html -----------------------------------------------------------------

<snip> <snip> This is good news! I suppose 17 fps is with minimum details, but at least it is about the same frame rate as in ICR2 with max detail. What kind of frame rate you are getting in traffic, like starting from grid position 10 or 15? Pasi, slightly less desperate DX2/66 owner:-)

On Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:25:23 -0800, Ruediger Gemmrig

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>It is a really hard job replying to the posts and not playing the game, >You are right ;-) >Stay tuned >-- >Ruediger 'Gremlin' Gemmrig >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Homepage: http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~etk11470/index.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------

Please one more question :), are the cars different from each other not the graphicly but mechanically. Is Williams far superior to lets say Minardi ;or is Ferrarri faster on straights then any other cars , using the same setup? Do you notice anything different in the game from Driving different cars ? ~~_____~~ [__]=[_(-)_]=[__] Gregory Alferov ((())) (()) #7 Mobil/SONAX Mercedes-Benz IGN4/Miskatonic Motorsports (Netcar)

Thank you ever so much for answering some of our questions :-) In Denmark the release-date is set for Friday.. We can only hope...

I cannot answer most questions, cause I don't have much experience so far. : : Thanks Andi, for this wonderfull update... but I want to hear more, : more more..... : : a) Is it much more difficult than F1GP 1 ? Only played Amateur setting, but this seems nearly to be the same as in GP1. Could get first place in my first race. : b) Can you compete for the 1st place in every race already? : (if yes at what level) : c) Who is driving the second Benneton?? (Jos? Johnny? JJ?) : d) What track do you like best and why?? : e) Which tracks are new compared with F1GP1 and which are left out? : f) Is the game still nice in VGA ??? (better than ICR2 in VGA??) Didn't like it in VGA, even with full details. Spoiled by ICR2 in SVGA ;) : g) what happens when you get stuck in de sandtraps.. do you leave the : race or can you continue after some seconds ?? You always can get out of the sandtraps, even when it's more difficult than getting out of the green. : h) Do computercars still crash easily like they did in the Beta-versions? I'd seen some crashes, but don't know how often and how likely they'll happen : i) are there still 26 cars in each race,?? Yes. : j) are there stop and go penalties ??? or Black flag ???? Yes. But not for exceeding the speed limit in the pits, cause there's a throttle control for this. There are many flags described in the handbook (even for being unfair), but I only happened to get a black flag for taking a shortcut through a chicane. After this my throttle was automacially reduced to 80 kmh for 5 to 10 seconds or so, but I didn't go to the pits. Don't know If I had to. : k) are there one or two qualifying sessions ? Two. : l) is there a speeding limit in the Pit? Yes. : m) can you steer and brake in the pit or does the computer do this : like in F1gp1 ?? You can do it, with a little help from the computer. : n) When there is a failure in your car can you (when its not that bad) : get it fixed in the Pit ore are you just out of the race? There are some random failures, but I didn't have one. : o) Is the computer car's AI really that good (like you can recognise Alesi from : by his driving style)? Need to have more experience with this... : p) Do you have to give a word from the manual again when you start up the game? No, but you need the CD. Don't think that this is for copy protection, cause even with the full installation I recognized an access to the CD during the game. What's really annoying me is that I don't know who's at which position in the race. I even don't know who's leading. This is absolutely disturbing in a modem game, cause you don't know if you're catching up you're human opponent or not. You only learn at the finish line who's before and behind you. But often there's no time to read this message, cause it's only displayed for 5 seconds, and there's no chance to read it again (I think there was a key for this in GP1). So especially in Monza you get this message when you're driving through the very difficult chicane after the finish line. : I hope to get some answers , : : Greetings Patrick... -- Ciao Martin ........................................ .Martin Weidner . .Linguistic Data Processing Cologne . ........................................ See also the Students-Linguistic-Forum: http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/mweidner/

>I could come first at novice, sometimes amateur. The main trouble >I had is that the brakes lock really easily with keyboard control, so you >have to do your braking in a straight line, there's no chance to brake a bit >into the turn if you leave it a bit late. Tim, Yes I can imagine k/b braking may be very difficult in GP2 - I haven't seen it but if downforce and traction is modelled correctly, you should find you can brake hard at first, and then have to progressively reduce braking pressure to avoid locking the wheels. If this is modelled in GP2 then trail braking would be quite effective when the technique is mastered, but, well, I have no idea how you'd go about doing this with the keyboard as your controls. Mike.

a. Yes it's a little bit more difficult to be fast. Braking is hard to do without locking up the front wheels. Also you can spin off very easy. Hit the gas in a curve !!! b. I only played Interlagos Imola and Hockenheim cause im searching for the best setup. My times seem to be competitiv 1.17.551, 1.25.272, 1.42.989 Today I will try some other tracks c. Jos Verstappen d. I like Montreal because it's a stop and go cource with very fast curves e. The tracks of 1994 are in the games. That means, that there are AIDA and JEREZ new but Phoenix and Mexico have disappeard f. VGA looks a little bit disappointing but it still looks nice. The track texture is very pixeled but that doesn't matter. g. You can get out of of the sandtraps but you'll lose a lot of time cause of whellspining h. No, the AI is very good. The computercars are extremly well on the brakes they're trying to overtake at nearly impossible parts of the track. i. Yes ! j. Until now I don't recogniced penalties. There are black flags if you try to take a short cut over the grass. The car is automatically slowed down. k. Friday and Saturday session ! l. Yes m. Yes n. Electrical defects can be fixed. Also Tyres and Wings can be fixed o. Yes it is p. No. It needs only the CD in the drive If you want to know who is in front in GP1 you can use a little tool called GPGAP. It can be configured to show the first 10 places and the gaps between them In the moment I don't know the exact adress but I look for the adress Andi

I'll try to answer some of these as I've played the game at Future Publishing (PC Gamer, Format etc - but no, I don't work there). I'm an 'average' F1GP driver, eg 1:15 at Brazil. : Thanks Andi, for this wonderfull update... but I want to hear more, : more more..... : a) Is it much more difficult than F1GP 1 ? Not sure, it's different, and feels more real. At the moment it feels more difficult but that may change when I get a chance to play it more. : b) Can you compete for the 1st place in every race already? : (if yes at what level) I could come first at novice, sometimes amateur. The main trouble I had is that the brakes lock really easily with keyboard control, so you have to do your braking in a straight line, there's no chance to brake a bit into the turn if you leave it a bit late. : c) Who is driving the second Benneton?? (Jos? Johnny? JJ?) Can't remember. : d) What track do you like best and why?? Monaco's really cool with all the scenery on. : e) Which tracks are new compared with F1GP1 and which are left out? Not sure here, there's definitely no Phoenix. : f) Is the game still nice in VGA ??? (better than ICR2 in VGA??) Yep, but I prefered SVGA with very little texturing. I've never played ICR2. : g) what happens when you get stuck in de sandtraps.. do you leave the : race or can you continue after some seconds ?? You can usually get out of gravel traps, but waste loads of time doing so. : h) Do computercars still crash easily like they did in the Beta-versions? Dunno. : i) are there still 26 cars in each race,?? Yes. : j) are there stop and go penalties ??? or Black flag ???? You get a black flag if you go too far off course/hotlap, eg if you try to cross the chicane after the tunnel at Monaco. : k) are there one or two qualifying sessions ? Two : l) is there a speeding limit in the Pit? Yes, 50 Mph. : m) can you steer and brake in the pit or does the computer do this : like in F1gp1 ?? I think most of the steering is done for you. : n) When there is a failure in your car can you (when its not that bad) : get it fixed in the Pit ore are you just out of the race? You can get it fixed in the pits. : o) Is the computer car's AI really that good (like you can recognise Alesi from : by his driving style)? I didn't notice individual drivers' styles, but overall the AI is really good, the other cars do much more to get out of your way / overtake you than in F1GP. They'll dive down the inside given the slightest chance or mistake by you. : p) Do you have to give a word from the manual again when you start up the game? No, but I think you need the CD in the drive at startup. : I hope to get some answers , Hope that helps, it is really good, the sound is great, and I was constantly pausing to replay overtaking manouvers, big crashes etc. I didn't manage to loop the loop or crash upside down, but you can fly a long way if you get a crash 'just right', and the replay's really cool. -- Tim Barnes | Dept. of Mathematics, http://holly.maths.bris.ac.uk/~BarnesT | Bristol, U.K. Tel: +44 (0)117 928 7780 | BS8 1TW

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