Nascar 2

Since the Papyrus is indeed making Nascar 2, I began to wonder about the Track Pack. I hope that the current version of the Track Pack will be compatible with Nascar 2. I would be disappointed if I had to go out and buy another one. It's bad enough that a patch for Talladega isn't being made......

>Since the Papyrus is indeed making Nascar 2, I began to wonder about the Track >Pack. I hope that the current version of the Track Pack will be compatible >with Nascar 2. I would be disappointed if I had to go out and buy another >one. It's bad enough that a patch for Talladega isn't being made...... What would be even nicer is if they just included ALL the tracks with the game, like they did for ICR2....a track pack is kind of a crappy way to do things if you ask me....it's like they either released the game before it was finished or did this on purpose to make more money. I say include all the tracks with the first game. -Bill

Shock, horror - Payrus are in it to make money? Really? ;) They're a company - if they hadn't made money on NASCAR Racing, you wouldn't be getting NASCAR 2 at all. I agree that all tracks should be included, since most everyone has already bought them once, but additional track packs covering further NASCAR tracks would be most welcome - you can never have too many tracks :) !! Now Daytona would be a lovely surprise in NASCAR 2..... _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ _________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |_________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____:/ Sim Racing News \.____|::|__| \ /_______:/ \::/ http://www.dcn.ed.ac.uk/pulse/index.htm \::/ \._______\

If Papyrus/Sierra put out a Daytona track then we wouldn't need THE PITS to make the Daytona for us now would we.

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>>it's like they either released the game before it >>was finished or did this on purpose to make more money. >Shock, horror - Payrus are in it to make money? Really? ;) >They're a company - if they hadn't made money on NASCAR Racing, you >wouldn't be getting NASCAR 2 at all. I agree that all tracks should be >included, since most everyone has already bought them once, but >additional track packs covering further NASCAR tracks would be most >welcome - you can never have too many tracks :) !! >Now Daytona would be a lovely surprise in NASCAR 2..... > _________________________________ > __ _____| |_____ __ >_________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |_________

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>What would be even nicer is if they just included ALL the tracks with the >game, like they did for ICR2....a track pack is kind of a crappy way to do >things if you ask me....it's like they either released the game before it >was finished or did this on purpose to make more money. >I say include all the tracks with the first game. I'd say there's a good chance they will. They've already said that Track Packs are a net loser for them. And ICR2 has certainly set a precedence. Dave "davids" Sequoia Motorsports

> Since the Papyrus is indeed making Nascar 2, I began to wonder about the Track > Pack. I hope that the current version of the Track Pack will be compatible > with Nascar 2. I would be disappointed if I had to go out and buy another > one. It's bad enough that a patch for Talladega isn't being made...... Wait, how many hours would you say that you have put into racing with the NASCAR an the Track Pack CD's? I know I've logged at least a thousand hours of racing Off-line/On-line with mine. A company with a great product should make money, yes? Papyrus should be charging us $100 for both, when they come out with Nascar2. I'll pay it!!! :) -- Terry L. Adams Compuserve: 102115,2033 HAWAII: Adams

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> > Since the Papyrus is indeed making Nascar 2, I began to wonder about the Track > > Pack. I hope that the current version of the Track Pack will be compatible > > with Nascar 2. I would be disappointed if I had to go out and buy another > > one. It's bad enough that a patch for Talladega isn't being made...... > Wait, how many hours would you say that you have put into racing with > the NASCAR an the Track Pack CD's? I know I've logged at least a > thousand hours of racing Off-line/On-line with mine. A company with a > great product should make money, yes? Papyrus should be charging us > $100 for both, when they come out with Nascar2. I'll pay it!!! :) > -- > Terry L. Adams > Compuserve: 102115,2033 > HAWAII: Adams

Don't give them any ideas on how much to charge!! I want to save money, but I don't know about you; you could be a millionaire or something but I am not!!!!!

>If Papyrus/Sierra put out a Daytona track then we wouldn't need THE PITS >to make the Daytona for us now would we. But I doubt you'll be seeing Nascar2 before Xmas, so a summertime release of this track will be very nice. Stuart -- Stuart Booth Somewhere in Godalming, England, UK

> Wait, how many hours would you say that you have put into racing with > the NASCAR an the Track Pack CD's? I know I've logged at least a > thousand hours of racing Off-line/On-line with mine. A company with a > great product should make money, yes? Papyrus should be charging us > $100 for both, when they come out with Nascar2. I'll pay it!!! :) Spoken, like a man who has tried it already! :-) Pete

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>> > Since the Papyrus is indeed making Nascar 2, I began to wonder about the Track >> > Pack. I hope that the current version of the Track Pack will be compatible >> > with Nascar 2. I would be disappointed if I had to go out and buy another >> > one. It's bad enough that a patch for Talladega isn't being made...... >> Wait, how many hours would you say that you have put into racing with >> the NASCAR an the Track Pack CD's? I know I've logged at least a >> thousand hours of racing Off-line/On-line with mine. A company with a >> great product should make money, yes? Papyrus should be charging us >> $100 for both, when they come out with Nascar2. I'll pay it!!! :) >> -- >> Terry L. Adams >> Compuserve: 102115,2033 >> HAWAII: Adams >Don't give them any ideas on how much to charge!! I want to save money, >but I don't know about you; you could be a millionaire or something but >I am not!!!!!

I'll second that one. 19.95 sounds good to me ;-). Steve +-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | All the worlds a stage, | ("'-''-/").___..--''"'-._ | | and there's a comedy playing. | '6_ 6 ) '_. ( ).'-.__.') | | May as well enjoy the show. | (_Y_.) ._ ) '._ '. ''-..-' | | | _..'--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | +-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Go Dale Earnhardt #3 | Go Rusty Wallace #2 | +-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Split_S on IRC Split_S on Hawaii sp-s on Warbirds | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

I dunno. Who do you want to reward/motivate? People who give us great things or people who give us middlin' products and manage to skirt legal prohibitions against monopolistic business practices successfully [sorry about that, Bill :-)]. I doubt the Nascar employees at Papyrus are millionaires and I hope they make a _lot_ of money. That's why we're _getting_ Nascar II folks. bob

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> Since the Papyrus is indeed making Nascar 2, I began to wonder about the Track > Pack. I hope that the current version of the Track Pack will be compatible > with Nascar 2. I would be disappointed if I had to go out and buy another > one. It's bad enough that a patch for Talladega isn't being made...... I think it is more likely that they will box NASCAR 2 with the full set of tracks (like IndyCar Racing 2). It's difficult to know how else they can see themselves adding sufficient "value" to the existing NASCAR product to make it attractive to gamers, but I would imagine that they might consider the following areas: - include Hawaii support in the boxed game - improved sound - pit/car radio - possibly even car/pit radio for those with microphones (as long as it doesn't hog too many CPU cycles with voice recognition). - enhanced replay features (e.g. more intelligent replays which mimick those you get in a real broadcast; switching between the different camera views and following all the on-track action. Could also have a commentator feature). - Windows 95 support - support for many different 3D graphics accelerator boards - even more enhanced driver A.I. What does everyone else think?? Fraser

<<Wait, how many hours would you say that you have put into racing with the NASCAR an the Track Pack CD's? I know I've logged at least a thousand hours of racing Off-line/On-line with mine. A company with a great product should make money, yes? Papyrus should be charging us $100 for both, when they come out with Nascar2. I'll pay it!!! :) >> Yikes... don't give 'em any ideas!!! I'd gladly pay a fair amount for the game when it arrives, but $100 bucks is a tad too much, dontcha' think? Nick _________________________________________________________________ #6 & #94 in the *real* quest for the Cup!!! My home away from home... http://users.aol.com/ntotoro/122895.htm _________________________________________________________________

Your right. Let's make enjoyment the basis of price for everything. So Nascar2 should be about $1000.00. And since your boss probably only marginally enjoys your presence during work, you should be paid at minumim wage. NOW try to buy the game. I'm not saying that Papyrus shouldn't make money, but the Track Pack could have had at least a fix for Talladega. Agreed?

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>>Wait, how many hours would you say that you have put into racing with >>the NASCAR an the Track Pack CD's? I know I've logged at least a >>thousand hours of racing Off-line/On-line with mine. A company with a >>great product should make money, yes? Papyrus should be charging us >>$100 for both, when they come out with Nascar2. I'll pay it!!! :) >Your right. Let's make enjoyment the basis of price for everything. So >Nascar2 should be about $1000.00. And since your boss probably only >marginally enjoys your presence during work, you should be paid at minumim >wage. NOW try to buy the game.

I would suggest that Terry's boss does enjoy his presence at work. Maybe not in the same way as we enjoy Nascar, but in the financial sense. Don't the laws of capitalism require his dismissal if there is no marginal utility? Mike

>> Since the Papyrus is indeed making Nascar 2, I began to wonder about the Track >> Pack. I hope that the current version of the Track Pack will be compatible >> with Nascar 2. I would be disappointed if I had to go out and buy another >> one. It's bad enough that a patch for Talladega isn't being made......

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>I think it is more likely that they will box NASCAR 2 with the full >set of tracks (like IndyCar Racing 2). It's difficult to know how >else they can see themselves adding sufficient "value" to the existing >NASCAR product to make it attractive to gamers, but I would imagine >that they might consider the following areas: >- include Hawaii support in the boxed game >- improved sound - pit/car radio > - possibly even car/pit radio for those with > microphones (as long as it doesn't hog too > many CPU cycles with voice recognition). >- enhanced replay features (e.g. more intelligent replays which >mimick those you get in a real broadcast; switching between the >different camera views and following all the on-track action. Could >also have a commentator feature). >- Windows 95 support >- support for many different 3D graphics accelerator boards >- even more enhanced driver A.I. >What does everyone else think?? >Fraser

I think you are right. They need to do all these things and some more stuff.

Mike- Perhaps Terry is a union employee? Or perhaps Terry is tenured? Or perhaps Terry is related to the owner? Ever think about that, Mike? Don't get smart, any fool can find error in any argument. Mike- My position is as such: Chances are that Nascar2 will not be able to run on my computer because its not a 133 Pentium or better. That's why I want a patch for Talladega. I have NO problems with Papryus making money, we are indeed in a capitalist society (yes, I'm a poor Republican). I am willing to pay money for the patch. But I think it should have been included in the Track Pack since its been only a year since it has been released. But now Papyrus is issuing Nascar2 which is the patch that should have been in the Track Pack. BTW- I don't have anything against Terry, he simply stated an opinion that added to this discussion....

> If Papyrus/Sierra put out a Daytona track then we wouldn't >need THE PITS to make the Daytona for us now would we. It is obvious that both Daytona and Indy will be included with NASCAR 2, either in the original release or in an additional track pack. That is why the track pack for ICR1 was discontinued and why they are threating legal action against anyone releasing a Daytona track. Remember, NASCAR 2 will be sanctioned by NASCAR itself. There is no way they would leave Daytona and/or Indy out of the package. Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA

On Tue, 28 May 1996 20:10:28 -0500, Chuck Stuart It's not that obvious to us, Chuck. Daytona seems to be a logical choice to put in NASCAR 2, but Papyrus is still unsure if the owners of the Daytona trademark will switch the license to them when Sega's expires. THEY are not threatening legal action; Daytona is. Also, NASCAR does not own the Indy trademark, so you'd have to ask Tony George about that. Enough with this Oliver Stone crap. You actually believe Papyrus is trying to dupe us into believing IMS and Daytona aren't going to be included? Are you saying they're manipulating the market like you suggest? No wonder Ed and Rick are starting to get frazzled. -- IWCCCARS Project Coordinator Racer's Choice Web Directory Editor Hawaii Racer ID: IWCCCARS

"Remember, NASCAR 2 will be sanctioned by NASCAR itself. There is no way they would leave Daytona and/or Indy out of the package." REALLY? Then why wasn't Daytona included in the original version of NASCAR Racing and the Track Pack? NASCAR approved the original product, but the Daytona track itself has control over the use of its name and likeness. So, it's entirely up to Daytona, NOT NASCAR. I would not be at all surprised if Daytona is not included in NASCAR 2. Kirn Cromur

In addition to Kirn's post, Indy is NOT Nascar, and you'll have to get IMS approval (Tony George of IRL fame), not Nascar. I doubt you'll see the Brickyard unless Sierra/Papyrus has done some talkin' to the right people in Tony's kingdom. Kyle

Will there be 2 different cars sets like Indy Car and Indy Car 2 or will the be backwards compatible??? Bill

>Will there be 2 different cars sets like Indy Car and Indy Car 2 or will >the be backwards compatible??? From what I heard, the carsets are incompatible between NASCAR 1 and 2. They are providing a lot more surface area for painting. Dave "davids" Sparks Sequoia Motorsports

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>Chuck Stuart wrote.... >"Remember, NASCAR 2 >will be sanctioned by NASCAR itself. There is no way they >would leave Daytona and/or Indy out of the package." >REALLY? Then why wasn't Daytona included in the original version of NASCAR >Racing and the Track Pack? NASCAR approved the original product, but the >Daytona track itself has control over the use of its name and likeness. >So, it's entirely up to Daytona, NOT NASCAR. I would not be at all >surprised if Daytona is not included in NASCAR 2. >Kirn Cromur

If you read their press release, they say you can race on 16 different tracks - same number as we have now - not all 18. Rick

Hi, I'm new to the newsgroup.. only just discovered it existed! I heard something about a Nascar 2 . I'd like to add my own input to what I'd like to see improved.. Paralax Sky ! Clouds etc.. Digital SPEECH PLEASE! Pit crews telling you stuff. Telling you how many laps left.. telling you to pit soon, telling you everything! IN fact how about words of encouragement! Like "Your doing great!" But just like Falcon 3.0 I want tonnes of different possibilities for Digital speech for one particular event - so not just the same voice saying in the same tone - "One lap to pit" I'd like to hear them tell me how people are running ahead of me etc, of they've got problems, or behind me, if someone is gaining in the field! Thats the main improvement I want from Nascar 2 ... I would also like the VR aspect, but you guys were already talking about that..

Sure! and how about (when you're black flagged for speeding in the pits, the voice telling you (after 2-3 laps of ignoring the flag) "Come on in. You know, you can't argue with these guys!" :D They're not bugs! They're random features!