Is there cheating in N2003?

"MWB" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:GGr7d.978$MU6.470@trndny08: > > > yes

"MWB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GGr7d.978$MU6.470@trndny08... > >

sort of-yes

MWB <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GGr7d.978$MU6.470@trndny08... > yep. >

> yep. > >I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ?

I never cheated. That was before I cheated. "MWB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GGr7d.978$MU6.470@trndny08... > >

redTed <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > yep. > > > > > I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. > Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court. I have no names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care less. Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that.

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> > redTed <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > yep. > > > > > > > > I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. > > Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? > > > Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court. I have

no > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care less. > > Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone with an > ounce of common sense knows that. p.s. If you're so interested, try www.onlineracin.com iirc, few weeks back, they busted cheaters. > >

In article <GGr7d.978$MU6.470@trndny08>, [email hidden] says... > > > Does the Pope shit in the woods? No... wait...

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>> > I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. >> > Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? >> >> >> Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court. I have > no >> names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care less. >> >> Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone with >> an >> ounce of common sense knows that. > > > > p.s. If you're so interested, try www.onlineracin.com iirc, few weeks > back, they busted cheaters.

Thanks. Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered responding with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H.

That's what makes the game so realistic. The real life big boys cheat too. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QKF7d.118$[email hidden]...

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> > redTed <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> > yep. >> > >> > >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? > > > Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court. I have > no > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care less. > > Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone with an > ounce of common sense knows that. > >

Hehe, true. JTS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > That's what makes the game so realistic. The real life big boys cheattoo.

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> > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:QKF7d.118$[email hidden]... > > > > redTed <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> > yep. > >> > > >> > > >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. > >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? > > > > > > Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court. I have > > no > > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care less. > > > > Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone with

an > > ounce of common sense knows that. > > > > > >

"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Thanks. > Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered responding > with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H. your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so I answered with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and style and accuracy at no extra charge. You asked a simple question, I GAVE you a simple answer. There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is the weather cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one in hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny race but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower) conditions. Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more sophisticated cheating, the whole reason of including cd keys was to make penalties more enforceable. Several users have been banned over the years. The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often caught noncompliant cars. It's known, it's real, and it has been largely ignored publically by Sierra. So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes. dave henrie

There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big boys" do? Not likely. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OfK7d.133$[email hidden]...

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> Hehe, true. > > > JTS <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> That's what makes the game so realistic. The real life big boys cheat > too. >> >> >> >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:QKF7d.118$[email hidden]... >> > >> > redTed <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> > yep. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. >> >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? >> > >> > >> > Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court. I >> > have >> > no >> > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care >> > less. >> > >> > Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone with > an >> > ounce of common sense knows that. >> > >> > >> >> > >

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>> Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered responding >> with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H. > > your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so I answered > with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and > style > and accuracy at no extra charge. You asked a simple question, I GAVE you > a > simple answer. > > There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is the weather > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one in > hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny race > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower) > conditions. > Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more > sophisticated cheating, the whole reason of including cd keys was to make > penalties more enforceable. Several users have been banned over the > years. > The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often caught > noncompliant cars. It's known, it's real, and it has been largely ignored > publically by Sierra. > So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes. >

It wasn't my question in the first place, but thanks for the insight. That's all I was looking for.

"JTS" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > That's what makes the game so realistic. The real life big boys cheat > too. > moto gp this weekend in Qatar,brand new circuit only completed last week. overnight after qualifying Rossi`s crew were caught doing burnouts on a scooter on his grid spot :o) Biaggis`s crew were caught watering and scrubbing with a brush his grid spot(the circuit is in the dessert!) both were given 6 second penalties and started at the back.Rossi passed half the field going into turn 1 on lap 1 !!! that guy is a god !! and rather cheeky as well :o)

No, there we have you completely twisting words around. It's called a joke, check a dictionary if needed for what that is. Tiny Lund <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "bigboys"

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> do? Not likely. > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:OfK7d.133$[email hidden]... > > Hehe, true. > > > > > > JTS <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> That's what makes the game so realistic. The real life big boys cheat > > too. > >> > >> > >> > >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:QKF7d.118$[email hidden]... > >> > > >> > redTed <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> > news:[email hidden]... > >> >> > yep. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. > >> >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? > >> > > >> > > >> > Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court. I > >> > have > >> > no > >> > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care > >> > less. > >> > > >> > Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone

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> > an > >> > ounce of common sense knows that. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >

A joke? Where is the laughter? Joke - a device for expressing humor that employs a setup which contains a decoy assumption to misdirect the audience into accepting a bogus 1st story; and a punch which contains a reinterpretation which creates a 2nd story that shatters the decoy assumption "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vjT7d.139$[email hidden]...

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> No, there we have you completely twisting words around. > > It's called a joke, check a dictionary if needed for what that is. > > > Tiny Lund <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big > boys" >> do? Not likely. >> >> >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:OfK7d.133$[email hidden]... >> > Hehe, true. >> > >> > >> > JTS <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> That's what makes the game so realistic. The real life big boys cheat >> > too. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> news:QKF7d.118$[email hidden]... >> >> > >> >> > redTed <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> > yep. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. >> >> >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court. I >> >> > have >> >> > no >> >> > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care >> >> > less. >> >> > >> >> > Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone > with >> > an >> >> > ounce of common sense knows that. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >

A pleasure to entertain you. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UBT7d.141$[email hidden]...

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> lol, the laughter is whenever you post, oh clueless one. > > > Tiny Lund <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> A joke? Where is the laughter? >> >> Joke - a device for expressing humor that employs a setup which contains >> a >> decoy assumption to misdirect the audience into accepting a bogus 1st > story; >> and a punch which contains a reinterpretation which creates a 2nd story > that >> shatters the decoy assumption >> >> >> >> >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:vjT7d.139$[email hidden]... >> > No, there we have you completely twisting words around. >> > >> > It's called a joke, check a dictionary if needed for what that is. >> > >> > >> > Tiny Lund <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big >> > boys" >> >> do? Not likely. >> >> >> >> >> >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> news:OfK7d.133$[email hidden]... >> >> > Hehe, true. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > JTS <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> That's what makes the game so realistic. The real life big boys > cheat >> >> > too. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> >> news:QKF7d.118$[email hidden]... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > redTed <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> >> > yep. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. >> >> >> >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court. > I >> >> >> > have >> >> >> > no >> >> >> > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't >> >> >> > care >> >> >> > less. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone >> > with >> >> > an >> >> >> > ounce of common sense knows that. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >

lol, the laughter is whenever you post, oh clueless one. Tiny Lund <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > A joke? Where is the laughter? > > Joke - a device for expressing humor that employs a setup which contains a > decoy assumption to misdirect the audience into accepting a bogus 1ststory; > and a punch which contains a reinterpretation which creates a 2nd storythat

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> shatters the decoy assumption > > > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vjT7d.139$[email hidden]... > > No, there we have you completely twisting words around. > > > > It's called a joke, check a dictionary if needed for what that is. > > > > > > Tiny Lund <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big > > boys" > >> do? Not likely. > >> > >> > >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:OfK7d.133$[email hidden]... > >> > Hehe, true. > >> > > >> > > >> > JTS <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> > news:[email hidden]... > >> >> That's what makes the game so realistic. The real life big boys

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> >> > too. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> >> news:QKF7d.118$[email hidden]... > >> >> > > >> >> > redTed <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> >> > news:[email hidden]... > >> >> >> > yep. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I don't think that would stand up in a court of law, Bub. > >> >> >> Come on..let's hear it. Who, where, when and how ? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Lol, tough shit; take a look around, its a ng bub, not a court.

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> >> >> > have > >> >> > no > >> >> > names, etc., and if you don't like that, big deal, I couldn't care > >> >> > less. > >> >> > > >> >> > Isn't a piece of software made that hasn't been hacked. Anyone > > with > >> > an > >> >> > ounce of common sense knows that. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > Thanks. > > Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered responding > > with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H. > > your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so I answered > with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and

style > and accuracy at no extra charge. You asked a simple question, I GAVE youa

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> simple answer. > > There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is the weather > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one in > hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny race > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower) > conditions. > Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more > sophisticated cheating, the whole reason of including cd keys was to make > penalties more enforceable. Several users have been banned over the

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> The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often caught > noncompliant cars. It's known, it's real, and it has been largely ignored > publically by Sierra. > So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes. > > > dave henrie

I always wondered why my honest self couldn't keep up with those frigging cars on the first lap at dega. I was down 60% grill tape because of overheating at 70 without a draft, 60lbs pressure in all tires, 45 degrees of slope on the rear spoiler, diff ratio gears at 2.857 ...and those holes would be doing 200+mph at dega, when I couldn't do 189 without draft!! Not to sound arrogant here, but I thought it was me doing something wrong. Thanks for the insight Dave..

"Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big > boys" do? Not likely. > You 'almost' have there TL. Learn to drive enuf so your cheatin won't stand out. If "I" suddenly started beating groups of experienced sim racers, well, then there'd be Congressional Hearings. A good cheater is often a good driver.. Pride keeps me in the back...pride and no real skill. LOL! dave henrie

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> "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > Thanks. > > Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered responding > > with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H. > > your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so I answered > with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and

style > and accuracy at no extra charge. You asked a simple question, I GAVE youa

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> simple answer. > > There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is the weather > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one in > hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny race > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower) > conditions. > Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more > sophisticated cheating, the whole reason of including cd keys was to make > penalties more enforceable. Several users have been banned over the

years.

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> The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often caught > noncompliant cars. It's known, it's real, and it has been largely ignored > publically by Sierra. > So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes. > > > dave henrie

Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really bothers me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our doors off. Now I know why. I use in cockpit with no aids. In fact the only way I can drive is with the in cockpit view. Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you.

MWB <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ku%7d.2861$Y54.1777@trndny09...

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> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > news:[email hidden]: > > > > > Thanks. > > > Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered responding > > > with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H. > > > > your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so I answered > > with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and > style > > and accuracy at no extra charge. You asked a simple question, I GAVE

you > a > > simple answer. > > > > There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is the weather > > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than onein > > hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunnyrace > > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower) > > conditions. > > Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more > > sophisticated cheating, the whole reason of including cd keys was tomake > > penalties more enforceable. Several users have been banned over the > years. > > The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often caught > > noncompliant cars. It's known, it's real, and it has been largelyignored

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> > publically by Sierra. > > So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes. > > > > > > dave henrie > > Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a > consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really

bothers > me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our > doors off. Now I know why. I use in cockpit with no aids. In fact the only > way I can drive is with the in cockpit view. > > Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you. Don't get to excited you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just faster, better, etc. Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of proportion. > >

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> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big > > boys" do? Not likely. > > > > You 'almost' have there TL. Learn to drive enuf so your cheatin won't > stand out. > > If "I" suddenly started beating groups of experienced sim racers, well, > then there'd be Congressional Hearings. > A good cheater is often a good driver.. > Pride keeps me in the back...pride and no real skill. LOL! > > > dave henrie

And perhaps a self confessed lack of cheating knowledge. ;o) Elrikk ( couldn't resist. )

Right Dave like the old restrictor plate cheat. Don't drive too fast that they notice. LOL "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> There you have it. Learn to cheat, not to drive. That's what the "big >> boys" do? Not likely. >> > > You 'almost' have there TL. Learn to drive enuf so your cheatin won't > stand out. > > If "I" suddenly started beating groups of experienced sim racers, well, > then there'd be Congressional Hearings. > A good cheater is often a good driver.. > Pride keeps me in the back...pride and no real skill. LOL! > > > dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is the weather > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one in > hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny race > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower) > conditions. Good to know about this stuff. But only an idiot would even consider this in any reputable league. A quick check of top speed and it's all over.

Byron Forbes <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4160c401$0$3596$[email hidden]. .. > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is the weather > > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than onein > > hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunnyrace > > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower) > > conditions. > > Good to know about this stuff. But only an idiot would even consider > this in any reputable league. A quick check of top speed and it's allover. Not really, especially in an open setup league. > >

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:05:44 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >MWB <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ku%7d.2861$Y54.1777@trndny09... >> Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a >> consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really >bothers >> me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our >> doors off. Now I know why. I use in cockpit with no aids. In fact the only >> way I can drive is with the in cockpit view. >> >> Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you. > > > > Don't get to excited you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just >faster, better, etc. Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of proportion. >

I'd like to see the setup which allows you to go that fast at Dega. Even the setups I've tried from the likes of setup gurus such as Gregor Huttu don't go that fast (tho they are certainly faster than the default "fast" and "Jasper" setups). That, and the wreckers, and the overall boring nature of plate ovals (now that I've become a pretty decent road racer), is why I don't race ovals on Sierra anymore... John DiFool

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> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:05:44 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >MWB <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:ku%7d.2861$Y54.1777@trndny09... > > >> Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on

a > >> consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really > >bothers > >> me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blowsour > >> doors off. Now I know why. I use in cockpit with no aids. In fact theonly

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> >> way I can drive is with the in cockpit view. > >> > >> Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you. > > > > > > > > Don't get to excited you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just > >faster, better, etc. Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of

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> > > > I'd like to see the setup which allows you to go that fast at Dega. > Even the setups I've tried from the likes of setup gurus such as > Gregor Huttu don't go that fast (tho they are certainly faster than > the default "fast" and "Jasper" setups). > > That, and the wreckers, and the overall boring nature of plate > ovals (now that I've become a pretty decent road racer), is > why I don't race ovals on Sierra anymore... > > John DiFool

Judging oval racing by Sierra is like judging road racing by Vroc; neither are a good impression. I have no idea what happened in the example given above, since I wasn't there, but just because you can't do it, irregardless of who's setup you use, doesn't mean it was cheating.

John email me. I tried to send you my setup and it came back. Mark

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> > MWB <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ku%7d.2861$Y54.1777@trndny09... > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > > news:[email hidden]: > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Of course I'm interested. I just wondered why you bothered

responding > > > > with just a "yep". Same goes for D.H. > > > > > > your question in the subject was a 'minimalist' question so Ianswered

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> > > with the same amount of brevity and I also included a dose of wit and > > style > > > and accuracy at no extra charge. You asked a simple question, I GAVE > you > > a > > > simple answer. > > > > > > There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is the weather > > > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one > in > > > hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny > race > > > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower) > > > conditions. > > > Sierra forums had several periods of users caught with more > > > sophisticated cheating, the whole reason of including cd keys was to > make > > > penalties more enforceable. Several users have been banned over the > > years. > > > The private leagues with 3rd party cheat utilities have often

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> > > noncompliant cars. It's known, it's real, and it has been largely > ignored > > > publically by Sierra. > > > So my answer stands for your enlightenment....yes. > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a > > consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really > bothers > > me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our > > doors off. Now I know why. I use in cockpit with no aids. In fact the

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> > way I can drive is with the in cockpit view. > > > > Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you. > > > > Don't get to excited you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just > faster, better, etc. Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of

proportion. > > > > > > > > I won't argue with that. However there are times I have to wonder, how did he do that. Mark

"JP" wrote: > Judging oval racing by Sierra is like judging road racing by Vroc; > neither > are a good impression. I have no idea what happened in the example given > above, since I wasn't there, but just because you can't do it, > irregardless > of who's setup you use, doesn't mean it was cheating. Having experienced VROC for many years I found the Sierra servers a complete surprise. Full of kids swearing at each other and wrecking before the start line. I was genuinely shocked as I had never experienced anything like it in sim racing, FPS yes but not sim racing. That is not to say GPL pick up races are perfect examples of gentlemen racers and yes I have seen a few episodes at T1 Monza and news of deliberate wreckers gets around but they are few and far between in my own experience. Pick up races have an element of risk but I wouldn't tar VROC with the same brush as Sierra pick up races. Cheers Tony

Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rhh8d.2563$[email hidden]... > "JP" wrote: > > > Judging oval racing by Sierra is like judging road racing by Vroc; > > neither > > are a good impression. I have no idea what happened in the examplegiven > > above, since I wasn't there, but just because you can't do it, > > irregardless > > of who's setup you use, doesn't mean it was cheating. > > Having experienced VROC for many years I found the Sierra servers acomplete > surprise. Full of kids swearing at each other and wrecking before thestart > line. I was genuinely shocked as I had never experienced anything like itin > sim racing, FPS yes but not sim racing. > > That is not to say GPL pick up races are perfect examples of gentlemen > racers and yes I have seen a few episodes at T1 Monza and news ofdeliberate > wreckers gets around but they are few and far between in my ownexperience. > > Pick up races have an element of risk but I wouldn't tar VROC with thesame > brush as Sierra pick up races. > > Cheers > Tony <shrug> same behavoir, just amplified on Sierra because of the far greater numbers. Everything you mention above, I saw on vroc multiple times. And that was several years back fwiw.

"JP" wrote: > <shrug> same behavoir, just amplified on Sierra because of the far > greater numbers. Everything you mention above, I saw on vroc multiple > times. And that was several years back fwiw. I did say in my experience. Possibly the GPL drivers are a bit older and GPL is a bit less accessible for the casual do badder. These days VROC consists mainly of the hardened GPLer. I've droppped in a few times and had some great races, but the numbers racing now are low. It could be clouding my memory of a few years back mind. My experience of the Sierra servers was quite limited but it just seemed mad!

Well, I can say that Gregor Huttu is NOT a setup guru at Dega or Daytona and probably not at ovals. Roadies are different than ovals and a TRUE dega-head can blow any of those guys doors off. They spend all day every day trying to find hundreths of a second. Bill Bollinger www.gsxn.com "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:05:44 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>MWB <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:ku%7d.2861$Y54.1777@trndny09... > >>> Thanks for the info Dave. At Dega I qualify around 50.250 - 50. 500 on a >>> consistent basis and that's middle of the pack at best. What really >>bothers >>> me is drafting with a car and a single car 2 seconds behind us blows our >>> doors off. Now I know why. I use in cockpit with no aids. In fact the >>> only >>> way I can drive is with the in cockpit view. >>> >>> Mark....gauger on line......I hope I haven't wrecked you. >> >> >> >> Don't get to excited you guys; 99.9% of the time, the other guy IS just >>faster, better, etc. Cheating happens, but don't blow it out of >>proportion. >> > > I'd like to see the setup which allows you to go that fast at Dega. > Even the setups I've tried from the likes of setup gurus such as > Gregor Huttu don't go that fast (tho they are certainly faster than > the default "fast" and "Jasper" setups). > > That, and the wreckers, and the overall boring nature of plate > ovals (now that I've become a pretty decent road racer), is > why I don't race ovals on Sierra anymore... > > John DiFool >

>"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote > <shrug> same behavoir, just amplified on Sierra because of the far > greater numbers. Everything you mention above, I saw on vroc multiple > times. And that was several years back fwiw. Which was the same over on the NROS back before that... and even before on Hawaii. The more things change, the less they do. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:10:55 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >John DiFool <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> I'd like to see the setup which allows you to go that fast at Dega. >> Even the setups I've tried from the likes of setup gurus such as >> Gregor Huttu don't go that fast (tho they are certainly faster than >> the default "fast" and "Jasper" setups). >> >> That, and the wreckers, and the overall boring nature of plate >> ovals (now that I've become a pretty decent road racer), is >> why I don't race ovals on Sierra anymore... >> >> John DiFool > > > Judging oval racing by Sierra is like judging road racing by Vroc; neither >are a good impression. I have no idea what happened in the example given >above, since I wasn't there, but just because you can't do it, irregardless >of who's setup you use, doesn't mean it was cheating.

I didn't intend to imply cheating: I'll repeat: if you can do speeds like this <legally>, then I'd like to see the setups responsible. And someone responded, and once I get it I'll take a look. I am skeptical because setups over at Setup-Gurus don't seem to go that fast. I.E. (Tally lap speeds in race, read as +/- 1 MPH at 70/Clear, 65 tape): Default Papy Fast: 185 Huttu's setup: 188 Reasonable: 190 Questionable: 195 Highly Doubtful: 200 Likely cheater 201+ And note I drive with no aids, not even steering assist-perhaps that is the problem, those apocryphal "aids-only" super-fast setups... John DiFool

"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Poc8d.176$[email hidden]... > > Byron Forbes <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:4160c401$0$3596$[email hidden].

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> .. > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is the weather > > > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power than one > in > > > hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny > race > > > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus more horsepower) > > > conditions. > > > > Good to know about this stuff. But only an idiot would even consider > > this in any reputable league. A quick check of top speed and it's all > over. > > > > Not really, especially in an open setup league. >

Yes, i suppose if they were subtle it would be hard to prove - this stuff not detected by Replay analyser? Or picked up on a Sierra server?

Byron Forbes <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4162aa97$0$3612$[email hidden]. ..

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> > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Poc8d.176$[email hidden]... > > > > Byron Forbes <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >

news:4160c401$0$3596$[email hidden]. > > .. > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > There has been known cheats for ages. One simple cheat is theweather > > > > cheat, a motor running in cloudy condiditons makes more power thanone > > in > > > > hot sunshine. So there is a fairly simple method of joining a sunny > > race > > > > but getting your system to recognize cloudy(and thus morehorsepower) > > > > conditions. > > > > > > Good to know about this stuff. But only an idiot would evenconsider

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> > > this in any reputable league. A quick check of top speed and it's all > > over. > > > > > > > > Not really, especially in an open setup league. > > > > Yes, i suppose if they were subtle it would be hard to prove - this > stuff not detected by Replay analyser? Or picked up on a Sierra server?

There's ways around anything if someone really wants to; Punkbuster included.