www.papy.com -> www.vugames.com (WTF ??)

Hi, Is anyone else experiencing a redirect to vugames.com when trying to reach your favourite driving sim developers? What's up with that? Cheers, Jørgen

Haven't Papyrus been shut down? Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply. "J�rgen Sundvor Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi, > > Is anyone else experiencing a redirect to vugames.com when trying to > reach your favourite driving sim developers? > > What's up with that? > > Cheers, > J�rgen

J�rgen Sundvor Smith wrote: > Hi, > > Is anyone else experiencing a redirect to vugames.com when trying to > reach your favourite driving sim developers? > > What's up with that? vugames is associated with Sierra. Check upper right corner of this site: http://games.sierra.com/games/racing2003/ DOG > > Cheers, > J�rgen

More like they own them than are associated with them. "REDDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> J�rgen Sundvor Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is anyone else experiencing a redirect to vugames.com when trying to > > reach your favourite driving sim developers? > > > > What's up with that? > > vugames is associated with Sierra. > > Check upper right corner of this site: > http://games.sierra.com/games/racing2003/ > > DOG > > > > > > Cheers, > > J�rgen > >

"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RFzdc.24403$[email hidden]... > More like they own them than are associated with them. > Was it really an ownership situation? I thought Papy was Papy, and Sierra was their publisher and Vivendi Universal was the parent company to Sierra.

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:53:45 GMT, "SimRacer" <nospam@[email hidden]> wrote: >Was it really an ownership situation? Yes, Sierra owned Payrus. Otherwise Papyrus would have probably made Indycar3 and not just Nascar sims.

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> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:53:45 GMT, "SimRacer" > <nospam@[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >Was it really an ownership situation? > > Yes, Sierra owned Payrus. Otherwise Papyrus would have probably made > Indycar3 and not just Nascar sims.

Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out of business sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never seen the light of day.

I wonder what life would be like if GPL never made to the shops? Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4VFdc.405$[email hidden]... > > Slug <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:53:45 GMT, "SimRacer" > > <nospam@[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Was it really an ownership situation? > > > > Yes, Sierra owned Payrus. Otherwise Papyrus would have probably made > > Indycar3 and not just Nascar sims. > > > Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out of business > sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never seen the > light of day. > >

Schooner wrote: > More like they own them than are associated with them. Wrong. 'Associated with' is correct. Vivendi is Sierra's publisher. DOG

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> > "REDDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> J�rgen Sundvor Smith wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Is anyone else experiencing a redirect to vugames.com when trying to >>> reach your favourite driving sim developers? >>> >>> What's up with that? >> >> vugames is associated with Sierra. >> >> Check upper right corner of this site: >> http://games.sierra.com/games/racing2003/ >> >> DOG >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> J�rgen

http://www.sierra.com/corporate_overview.do "About Sierra Entertainment, Inc. Sierra Entertainment, Inc., a studio of Vivendi Universal Games, is one of the earliest developers and largest worldwide publishers of interactive entertainment software. Based in Bellevue, Washington, Sierra has released critically acclaimed and award-winning titles that represent a wide variety of computer entertainment on game consoles and PC platforms." "REDDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Schooner wrote: > > More like they own them than are associated with them. > > Wrong. 'Associated with' is correct. Vivendi is Sierra's publisher. > > > DOG > > > > > > "REDDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> J�rgen Sundvor Smith wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Is anyone else experiencing a redirect to vugames.com when trying to > >>> reach your favourite driving sim developers? > >>> > >>> What's up with that? > >> > >> vugames is associated with Sierra. > >> > >> Check upper right corner of this site: > >> http://games.sierra.com/games/racing2003/ > >> > >> DOG > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> J�rgen > >

http://home.tiscali.de/slydos/n/sierraenglish.htm At the end of 1998 Cendant announces the sale of the Software Division to the French company Havas, at that time France's largest media group. Havas for their part was just bought by Vivendi, an enormous multinational group in the water supply industry, which wants to enter the media and telecommunications industry. 2000 Sierra gets further reorganized and more employees are fired. In the year 2000 Vivendi, Seagram and Canal+ form Vivendi Universal. Havas becomes Vivendi Universal Publishing, to whose games-division beside Sierra On-Line also Blizzard Entertainment and Universal Interactive Studios belong. 2002 Sierra On-Line is officially renamed into Sierra Entertainment, Inc.. Together with Blizzard Entertainment and Universal Interactive Sierra Entertainment belongs to Vivendi Universal Games. They sell together annually for more than 600 million US dollars. 2003 Vivendi Universal considers the sale of their video game section. It should bring Vivendi Universal about 2 billion Euro. Still Vivendi's new boss Jean Rene Fourtou has however not made a decision. For Fourtou the game section does not belong to the core business and he wants to lower the company's debts by this sale. The section works under the name of Vivendi Universal Games Inc., belonges to Vivendi Universal Publishing and is at present the second largest game company world-wide. Possible buyers are Microsoft, Sega and Sony. "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:54Wdc.24767$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.sierra.com/corporate_overview.do > > "About Sierra Entertainment, Inc. > Sierra Entertainment, Inc., a studio of Vivendi Universal Games, is one of > the earliest developers and largest worldwide publishers of interactive > entertainment software. Based in Bellevue, Washington, Sierra has released > critically acclaimed and award-winning titles that represent a wide

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> of computer entertainment on game consoles and PC platforms." > > > > > "REDDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Schooner wrote: > > > More like they own them than are associated with them. > > > > Wrong. 'Associated with' is correct. Vivendi is Sierra's publisher. > > > > > > DOG > > > > > > > > > > "REDDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > >> J�rgen Sundvor Smith wrote: > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> Is anyone else experiencing a redirect to vugames.com when trying to > > >>> reach your favourite driving sim developers? > > >>> > > >>> What's up with that? > > >> > > >> vugames is associated with Sierra. > > >> > > >> Check upper right corner of this site: > > >> http://games.sierra.com/games/racing2003/ > > >> > > >> DOG > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> J�rgen > > > > > >

"Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jWUdc.28887$[email hidden]... > I wonder what life would be like if GPL never made to the shops? > > Andi. I'm not sure but . . . . . . . Wait for it . . . . . . . . I'm pretty sure it would be no GPL. ;o) Elrikk PS Sorry, but I couldn't resist.

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:59:25 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out of business >sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never seen the >light of day. > Sierra bought them post GPL, dumbass.

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:59:25 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out of business >sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never seen the >light of day. > p.s. Don't question my superior knowledge in such a condescending manner again. http://www.sierra.com/partner_studios.do Today, Sierra develops games through development teams located at Sierra's headquarters in Bellevue, Washington, and two *wholly owned* game development studios, Papyrus Racing Games and Impressions Games.

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> > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jWUdc.28887$[email hidden]... >> I wonder what life would be like if GPL never made to the shops? >> >> Andi. > > I'm not sure but . . . > . > . > . > . > > Wait for it . . . > > . > . > . > . > . > > I'm pretty sure it would be no GPL. ;o) > > > Elrikk > > PS Sorry, but I couldn't resist. > >

Right about now we'd be raving about the just released Microprose Grand Prix 2 part 3. We'd be raving about the head to head modem play. We'd be in love with uneditable tracks. We'd cry with joy over single axis controller setups. dh

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>> Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out of >> business >>sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never >>seen the light of day. >> > > Sierra bought them post GPL, dumbass.

My original 3d/cutout box for Indycar II has no mention of Sierra, it has only Papyrus on the spline. But my next original box, the foldout Nascar 2 has Sierra splattered all over it. Did GPL predate N2? Did Vroc come about BEFORE Hawaii? dave henrie

> My original 3d/cutout box for Indycar II has no mention of Sierra, ithas > only Papyrus on the spline. But my next original box, the foldout Nascar2 > has Sierra splattered all over it. Did GPL predate N2? > Did Vroc come about BEFORE Hawaii? As I recall ICR2 (95) was the first time Sierra was the publisher (ICR and Nascar were Virgin). N2 (end of 96) was definitely before GPL (98). Sierra was the publisher in 95 but I don't know when Papy became a division of Sierra.

Wrong... "Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:59:25 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out ofbusiness > >sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never seenthe > >light of day. > > > > Sierra bought them post GPL, dumbass.

Slug <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:59:25 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out ofbusiness > >sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never seenthe > >light of day. > > > > Sierra bought them post GPL, dumbass. Whooosh.......sound of a point going between the ears of a hollow head. You bitch about the Nascar sims. Without the $ they made, no gpl moron, Sierra or not. Oh, and you might want to tell Sierra about your thoughts of when they bought Papy; my N2 box, bought upon release, has Sierra written all over it................dumbass.

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> Slug > >> Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out of > >> business > >>sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never > >>seen the light of day. > >> > > > > Sierra bought them post GPL, dumbass. > > My original 3d/cutout box for Indycar II has no mention of Sierra, it

has > only Papyrus on the spline. But my next original box, the foldout Nascar2 > has Sierra splattered all over it. Did GPL predate N2? > Did Vroc come about BEFORE Hawaii? > > dave henrie N2 predated gpl, and hawaii was years before vroc. >

Slug <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:59:25 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out ofbusiness > >sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never seenthe

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> >light of day. > > > > p.s. Don't question my superior knowledge in such a condescending > manner again. > > http://www.sierra.com/partner_studios.do > Today, Sierra develops games through development teams located at > Sierra's headquarters in Bellevue, Washington, and two *wholly owned* > game development studios, Papyrus Racing Games and Impressions Games.

Lol, this is priceless. Do try to keep up. I realize you were probably around four or so when N1 came out, so that explains some of your stupidity about Papy's history. >

My ICR2 box got Virgin all over it.. -- ed_ "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:Nb1ec.885$[email hidden]... > > My original 3d/cutout box for Indycar II has no mention of Sierra, it > has > > only Papyrus on the spline. But my next original box, the foldout Nascar > 2 > > has Sierra splattered all over it. Did GPL predate N2? > > Did Vroc come about BEFORE Hawaii? > > As I recall ICR2 (95) was the first time Sierra was the publisher (ICR and > Nascar were Virgin). N2 (end of 96) was definitely before GPL (98). > > Sierra was the publisher in 95 but I don't know when Papy became a division > of Sierra. > >

Time to wake up and smell the coffe� - slugger.. That is - if you're old enough to drink strong stuff like that... -- ed_ "Slug" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:59:25 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Uh, no. Otherwise, (Nascar sims) Papy would have gone out of business > >sooner then they have, and, shock, GPL would have most likely never seen the > >light of day. > > > > p.s. Don't question my superior knowledge in such a condescending > manner again. > > http://www.sierra.com/partner_studios.do > Today, Sierra develops games through development teams located at > Sierra's headquarters in Bellevue, Washington, and two *wholly owned* > game development studios, Papyrus Racing Games and Impressions Games. >

Ahhh.... Hawaii.... Those were the days... :o) Who would have thought that in 2004 - "almost" 10 years after Hawaii saw first light - there's only a handful of sim-titles that got better multiplayer code/support than it had... -- ed_

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> Ahhh.... Hawaii.... > Those were the days... :o) > > Who would have thought that in 2004 - "almost" 10 years after Hawaii saw > first light - there's only a handful of sim-titles that got better > multiplayer code/support than it had... > > > -- > ed_

Never thought of it that way, but you're right. > > >

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:32:13 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ahhh.... Hawaii.... >Those were the days... :o) > >Who would have thought that in 2004 - "almost" 10 years after Hawaii saw >first light - there's only a handful of sim-titles that got better >multiplayer code/support than it had... Boy I forgot about that...I raced Hawaii a couple of times with the original. Got to race those races with some great people. Nascar Racing was the start of something so great. I have lost the CD probably a couple of years ago, but I still fire up the original Indycar Racing CD a couple times a week!

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:54:28 -0500, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > My original 3d/cutout box for Indycar II has no mention of Sierra, it has >only Papyrus on the spline. But my next original box, the foldout Nascar 2 >has Sierra splattered all over it. Did GPL predate N2? > Did Vroc come about BEFORE Hawaii? > >dave henrie Sierra did publish it but I think they actually bought Papy out later, but I admit I could be wrong. The point is that Sierra did/does own Sierra and it was after this purchase where Papy was forced to make only Nascar games.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:47:27 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Lol, this is priceless. Do try to keep up. I realize you were probably >around four or so when N1 came out, so that explains some of your stupidity >about Papy's history. Screw you dork. LOOK! DER??? My bwain hurts. "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RFzdc.24403$[email hidden]... > More like they own them than are associated with them. > Was it really an ownership situation? I thought Papy was Papy, and Sierra was their publisher and Vivendi Universal was the parent company to Sierra.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:35:30 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Whooosh.......sound of a point going between the ears of a hollow head. >You bitch about the Nascar sims. Without the $ they made, no gpl moron, >Sierra or not. Oh, and you might want to tell Sierra about your thoughts of >when they bought Papy; my N2 box, bought upon release, has Sierra written >all over it................dumbass. > Yea, and GPL failed in the marketplace, at least by Sierra's standards. After that Papy was forced to make Nascar sims ever since. OK. I admit I was wrong about when Sierra bought them out but the point still stands. Dumbass.

Slug <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:47:27 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Lol, this is priceless. Do try to keep up. I realize you wereprobably > >around four or so when N1 came out, so that explains some of yourstupidity > >about Papy's history. > > Screw you dork. LOOK! DER??? My bwain hurts. > Make that not even born yet.

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes: > Right about now we'd be raving about the just released Microprose Grand >Prix 2 part 3. We'd be raving about the head to head modem play. We'd be >in love with uneditable tracks. We'd cry with joy over single axis >controller setups. Always the optimist...<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:57:22 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Make that not even born yet. > My initial comment was that Sierra does indeed own Papyrus software in reply to someone thinking that they did not own them. Which is true, although, I concede that I may have the dates wrong as to when they actually bought them. You seem to have taken issue with the little comment I made about them doing nothing but Nascar sims since. It's a well known fact that Payrus has only been making Nascar sims for the last few years because their owner's think that's where the money is. Even if Sierra did publish Indycar2 and GPL, they soon put an end to those series when they saw the profits were not high enough for them. Please point anything in the above that is not true. And I've been PC gaming with Papyrus sims since 1993 so screw you and your stupid commets like the above.

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> On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:57:22 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Make that not even born yet. > > > > My initial comment was that Sierra does indeed own Papyrus software in > reply to someone thinking that they did not own them. Which is true, > although, I concede that I may have the dates wrong as to when they > actually bought them. You seem to have taken issue with the little > comment I made about them doing nothing but Nascar sims since. It's a > well known fact that Payrus has only been making Nascar sims for the > last few years because their owner's think that's where the money is. > Even if Sierra did publish Indycar2 and GPL, they soon put an end to > those series when they saw the profits were not high enough for them. > Please point anything in the above that is not true. And I've been PC > gaming with Papyrus sims since 1993 so screw you and your stupid > commets like the above.

You still don't get it, surprise. Hint: if Sierra and it's resources couldn't afford to let Papy make more open wheel sims, what makes you think Papy could by themselves, as you implied, with only a fraction of the same resources available ?(i.e., MONEY) Your original comment, "Yes, Sierra owned Payrus. Otherwise Papyrus would have probably made Indycar3 and not just Nascar sims ". Sure looks like you think if Papy wasn't with Sierra they would have made more open wheel sims. Nope, they just would have gone out of business sooner, or would have been with someone else who would have acted just like Sierra. I realize in your dream world, you probably throw fits about mean old companies that actually want things to make a profit, but you'll learn. Blaming Sierra for sticking to that after getting burned once is humorous. Try to let you "superior knowledge" grasp ahold of this concept. You're completely clueless, best to move along little fella.

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:02:56 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > You still don't get it, surprise. Hint: if Sierra and it's resources >couldn't afford to let Papy make more open wheel sims, what makes you think >Papy could by themselves, as you implied, with only a fraction of the same >resources available ?(i.e., MONEY) You're assuming that Payrus didn't have the money to make an open wheeled sim. If they did and didn't need Sierra then they would have. Profit margins be damned. > Your original comment, "Yes, Sierra owned Payrus. Otherwise Papyrus would >have probably made Indycar3 and not just Nascar sims ". Sure looks like you >think if Papy wasn't with Sierra they would have made more open wheel sims. >Nope, they just would have gone out of business sooner, or would have been >with someone else who would have acted just like Sierra. Again, an assumption on your part. QAnd a flawed one because you don't know for a fact that Indycar3 would or would not have made money because it never was made. > I realize in your dream world, you probably throw fits about mean old >companies that actually want things to make a profit, but you'll learn. Yea, I'm a member of Fight Club and you're just a "big business is very wise" jackass lacky. > Blaming Sierra for sticking to that after getting burned once is >humorous. They never got burned. They just didn't make xxx, xxxx dollars on it so they dumped it. A company with no integrity. > Try to let you "superior knowledge" grasp ahold of this concept. You're >completely clueless, best to move along little fella. And you think you are more mature than me somehow? Another twattish assumption on your part based on nothing except choice of words. Go back to waving your hanky in the face of someone who actually falls for that kind of BS.

Slug <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:02:56 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > You still don't get it, surprise. Hint: if Sierra and it's resources > >couldn't afford to let Papy make more open wheel sims, what makes youthink > >Papy could by themselves, as you implied, with only a fraction of thesame

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> >with someone else who would have acted just like Sierra. > > Again, an assumption on your part. QAnd a flawed one because you don't > know for a fact that Indycar3 would or would not have made money > because it never was made. > > > I realize in your dream world, you probably throw fits about mean old > >companies that actually want things to make a profit, but you'll learn. > > Yea, I'm a member of Fight Club and you're just a "big business is > very wise" jackass lacky. > > > Blaming Sierra for sticking to that after getting burned once is > >humorous. > > They never got burned. They just didn't make xxx, xxxx dollars on it > so they dumped it. A company with no integrity. > > > Try to let you "superior knowledge" grasp ahold of this concept.

You're > >completely clueless, best to move along little fella. > > And you think you are more mature than me somehow? Another twattish > assumption on your part based on nothing except choice of words. Go > back to waving your hanky in the face of someone who actually falls > for that kind of BS. Still completely clueless. Surprise. >

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:25:20 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Still completely clueless. Surprise. If musicians subscribed to your shallow and uncreative method of driving an industry then we would have a lot of shitty music and not much else. Oh right, the music industry is full of shitty music. Duh, how could I be so stupid as not to see how it really is. My apologies.

Your arguing with something that drowns in beer :) "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Bjec.85$[email hidden]... > > Slug <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:02:56 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Alright, that's enough. Now both of you go to your rooms. -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:25:20 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Still completely clueless. Surprise. > > If musicians subscribed to your shallow and uncreative method of > driving an industry then we would have a lot of shitty music and not > much else. Oh right, the music industry is full of shitty music. Duh, > how could I be so stupid as not to see how it really is. My apologies. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004

Hehe, nah. Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0ckec.18594$[email hidden]...

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> Your arguing with something that drowns in beer :) > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5Bjec.85$[email hidden]... > > > > Slug <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:02:56 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >

Hehe, nah. > Your arguing with something that drowns in beer :)

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:28:12 +0100, "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Haven't Papyrus been shut down? > >Andi. Well that is certainly the question I'm asking myself now that the papyrus web site has been effectively shut down by their financial owners. I was dying a bit with anticipation of what they'd be doing next. I just hope this won't be "nothing". Shame on Vivendi for shutting down the web site without a whisk of a mention or even trying to integrate the content into their own. Cheers, Jørgen -- Jørgen Sundvor Smith mail: jorgen%smith.net

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:35:02 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Hehe, nah. Yea, well, you need to post more than juvenile one liners if you want to keep up with me.

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 07:36:45 -0700, "REDDog" <[email hidden]> wrote: >vugames is associated with Sierra. > >Check upper right corner of this site: >http://games.sierra.com/games/racing2003/ > >DOG Ok. That's all good information, but what no-one but one (Andi) have commented on and the matter of most importance, is that of what has happened to Papyrus - why is the web site closed down in such a rude manner? Certainly I'm not the only person in this group asking this question? Ta, Jørgen -- Jørgen Sundvor Smith mail: jorgen%smith.net

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> > <snip> > Ok. That's all good information, but what no-one but > one (Andi) have commented on and the matter of most > importance, is that of what has happened to Papyrus > - why is the web site closed down in such a rude > manner? > > Certainly I'm not the only person in this group > asking this question?

I gathered they are working on a car physics SDK for console games, similar to the Havoc physics for 3D first/3rd person shooters. Jan. =---

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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 21:21:08 +1000, Jørgen Sundvor Smith <[email hidden]> wrote: >Is anyone else experiencing a redirect to vugames.com when trying to >reach your favourite driving sim developers? I wrote to VUGames and got the following in return: "The http://www.papy.com web site is currently down due to some technical problems. Papyrus Racing hopes to have it back up very soon." Phew...! :) Sorry to raise the alarm. Cheers, Jørgen -- Jørgen Sundvor Smith mail: jorgen%smith.net

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> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 21:21:08 +1000, J�rgen Sundvor Smith > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Is anyone else experiencing a redirect to vugames.com when trying to > >reach your favourite driving sim developers? > > I wrote to VUGames and got the following in return: > > "The http://www.papy.com web site is currently down due to some > technical problems. Papyrus Racing hopes to have it back up very > soon." > > Phew...! :) > > Sorry to raise the alarm. > > Cheers, > J�rgen > -- > J�rgen Sundvor Smith mail: jorgen%smith.net

What's the big deal ? Not like any news is ever going to be posted there, and any files there are available elsewhere. Like the cop says at the accident scene......"Nothing to see here, move along "

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:58:49 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > What's the big deal ? Not like any news is ever going to be posted there, >and any files there are available elsewhere. > > Like the cop says at the accident scene......"Nothing to see here, move >along " I reckon the big deal is that Papyrus Racing are the mothers and fathers of our greatest racing sims. That's all. If this doesn't make any sense to you, then please do indeed move along. j -- Jørgen Sundvor Smith mail: jorgen%smith.net

J�rgen Sundvor Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:58:49 -0500, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > What's the big deal ? Not like any news is ever going to be postedthere,

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> >and any files there are available elsewhere. > > > > Like the cop says at the accident scene......"Nothing to see here, move > >along " > > I reckon the big deal is that Papyrus Racing are the mothers and > fathers of our greatest racing sims. > > That's all. > > If this doesn't make any sense to you, then please do indeed move > along. > > j > -- > J�rgen Sundvor Smith mail: jorgen%smith.net

Lol, so ? If they're website existing has to prove that to you, interesting. Tell me, exactly what are you needing there, that isn't available anywhere else ? Not like they're going to be making any more.....you know that, right ?

EldredP wrote: >>I gathered they are working on a car physics SDK for console games, similar >>to the Havoc physics for 3D first/3rd person shooters. > Yuck... Or, in other words, GPL FOREVER! Yee-haaaa...! :) Well, in the Papy world this year the focus could be right back on it with the improved physics and reportedly much-improved driveability of the 65 Mod. Which, from the look of things, is seriously REAL Soon Now. Think Probably Not Even Weeks. Regards, Rudy

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>EldredP wrote: > >>>I gathered they are working on a car physics SDK for console games, similar >>>to the Havoc physics for 3D first/3rd person shooters. > >> Yuck... > > >Or, in other words, GPL FOREVER! Yee-haaaa...! :)

No, in other words I don't have a newer console system, so I don't care much about console games. And I haven't driven GPL since my New Year's GP. My main GPL league folded, then was reborn with the TPTCC mod. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

"EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > No, in other words I don't have a newer console system, so I > don't care much about console games. > And I haven't driven GPL since my New Year's GP. My main GPL > league folded, then was reborn with the TPTCC mod. Yuck! <g> Jan. =---

EldredP wrote: >>Or, in other words, GPL FOREVER! Yee-haaaa...! :) > And I haven't driven GPL since my New Year's GP. My main GPL league folded, > then was reborn with the TPTCC mod. It's about time you step back into that ol' BRM and get floggin'..! ;) Regards, Rudy

In article <c5i8pu$g4o$[email hidden]>, Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: > >>>Or, in other words, GPL FOREVER! Yee-haaaa...! :) > >> And I haven't driven GPL since my New Year's GP. My main GPL league >folded, >> then was reborn with the TPTCC mod. > >It's about time you step back into that ol' BRM and get floggin'..! ;)

BRM?!? Please I just ate... <g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:08:37 +0200, Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well, in the Papy world this year the focus could be right back on it >with the improved physics and reportedly much-improved driveability of >the 65 Mod. N2003 has improved physics and the F2 cars in GPL are already very drivable. I really don't understand why anyone cares about the 65 mod anymore at this point when n2003 surpasses anything the gpl engine, no matter how modified, can do, and it does it straight out of the box. Jason

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> > <snip> > N2003 has improved physics and the F2 cars in GPL are > already very drivable. > > I really don't understand why anyone cares about the > 65 mod anymore at this point when n2003 surpasses > anything the gpl engine, no matter how modified, can > do, and it does it straight out of the box.

Because unlike the TA-mod, which is severely limited because NR2003 is a stock car game (and a very good stock car game, don't get me wrong) underneath, the 65 cars won't be limited by GPL being a 1967 F1 sim (new car dimensions and tyre physics). That, and it being a very iconic era of the sport of course. Jan. =---

Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> "Jason Moyer" wrote... >>I really don't understand why anyone cares about the >>65 mod anymore at this point when n2003 surpasses > > underneath, the 65 cars won't be limited by GPL being a 1967 F1 sim (new car > dimensions and tyre physics). That, and it being a very iconic era of the > sport of course.

Not to mention it being way more exiting cars to drive, way more exiting circuits (of the time, drivers being nuts back then), and generally being way more exiting historically. (Don't forget btw, there are also more mods planned, like 1955, 66, early wingless 68 (as a kinda-sorta improved 67 GPL) and if we're lucky, some more eras most of us would probably like to see simulated very much.) Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -22