Re: Bathurst - Mt Panorama

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:24:14 +0100, "Tony Lake" <[email hidden]> wrote: >There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any >other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and >very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to >Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally loved it. I've driven the track in my once beloved XW-GT, I've got videos of races from around 68 to 74 and I really did appreciate the patience and skill one must have to drive this circuit for hours on end in a car that wasn't designed well to take corners (let alone the big dipper - If you've ever driven it, the road just dissapears under your bonnet) Would love to see this circit modelled in a sim that has at least half decent physics. Cheers, Rod.

There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally loved it. Mr Noonan, I hope you have this on your list of things to do... Trouble is that it never did host a GP. Too dangerous? The touring cars do a lot of damage to the scenery every year... Some starter URL's http://www.bathurst1000.com.au/ http://www.brock05.com/race.html Tony

You're not the first one with this idea, seems Bathurst is one of the most wanted tracks for GPL. Besides a banked Monza, my favorite track for GPL was Laguna Seca. Thanks to the converter I've got it :) Andre On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:24:14 +0100, "Tony Lake" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any >other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and >very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to >Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally loved it. > >Mr Noonan, I hope you have this on your list of things to do... Trouble is >that it never did host a GP. Too dangerous? The touring cars do a lot of >damage to the scenery every year... > >Some starter URL's >http://www.bathurst1000.com.au/ >http://www.brock05.com/race.html > >Tony >

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:43:07 +0100, "Tony Lake" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've driven around it in a road car at legal speed - there are some bits >where you can't see properly over the bonnet because it drops off so quick. >I suppose that makes it difficult to model? >Tony Tony, I've seen some excellent bumpercam laps of the circuit but don't have any on tape... But I feel it's a circuit only a person that has driven it a number of times could capture the feel of. TV coverage doesn't show how steep some of those corners really are. If your lap was anything like mine (and I'm a revhead of the highest degree) you hit the anchors right before the big dipper... how they ever got those 70's V8's taking that at 80kph+ has me in awe, couldn't understand why the cars were lurching and leaning so badly through that dip until I drove it ;O Cheers, Rod.

Rod wrote in message > "Tony Lake"wrote: > > >There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any > >other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and > >very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to > >Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally lovedit.

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> > I've driven the track in my once beloved XW-GT, I've got videos of > races from around 68 to 74 and I really did appreciate the patience > and skill one must have to drive this circuit for hours on end in a > car that wasn't designed well to take corners (let alone the big > dipper - If you've ever driven it, the road just dissapears under your > bonnet) > > Would love to see this circit modelled in a sim that has at least half > decent physics.

I've driven around it in a road car at legal speed - there are some bits where you can't see properly over the bonnet because it drops off so quick. I suppose that makes it difficult to model? Tony

The SCGT track editors have a Mt Panorama Bathurst track in the beta testing stage. You can find some screen shots at gtinsider.com I think. It looks very good. dave henrie Tony Lake wrote:

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> > There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any > other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and > very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to > Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally loved it. > > Mr Noonan, I hope you have this on your list of things to do... Trouble is > that it never did host a GP. Too dangerous? The touring cars do a lot of > damage to the scenery every year... > > Some starter URL's > http://www.bathurst1000.com.au/ > http://www.brock05.com/race.html > > Tony

It did host a GP, in fact, Tony. The Oz GP was held there several times back in the "olden days". It's also hosted races for the Australian Gold Star championship. No international GP or Tasman Cup races, unfortunately. This circuit is generally considered one of the most challenging road circuits today. It would, indeed, make a brilliant add-on for GPL. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Tony Lake <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bii94$rq4$[email hidden]... > There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any > other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and > very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to > Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally loved it. > > Mr Noonan, I hope you have this on your list of things to do... Trouble is > that it never did host a GP. Too dangerous? The touring cars do a lot of > damage to the scenery every year... > > Some starter URL's > http://www.bathurst1000.com.au/ > http://www.brock05.com/race.html > > Tony > >

the great and intrepid "Tony Lake" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any >other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and >very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to >Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally loved it. > >Mr Noonan, I hope you have this on your list of things to do... Trouble is >that it never did host a GP. Too dangerous? The touring cars do a lot of >damage to the scenery every year... > >Some starter URL's >http://www.bathurst1000.com.au/ >http://www.brock05.com/race.html > >Tony >

And if he picks up GP2 again, he can race the version that was done by Glenn Durden & friends for this sim... JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

year1440@village.*anti-spam*uunet.be (Jo Helsen) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >And if he picks up GP2 again, he can race the version that was done >by Glenn Durden & friends for this sim... Mt Panorama for GP2 ??? Where Jo ? -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

I'd like to drive Laguna Seca too, how is the Corkscrew??? The Dipper at Bathurst is very similar, apparently not quite as steep though. The difference is that the rest of Bathurst beats Laguna Seca hands down!! We can always dream, right? Bathurst in GPL? Please? Rafe Mc On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:54:37 +0100, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>You're not the first one with this idea, seems Bathurst is one of the >most wanted tracks for GPL. Besides a banked Monza, my favorite track >for GPL was Laguna Seca. >Thanks to the converter I've got it :) > >Andre > >On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:24:14 +0100, "Tony Lake" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any >>other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and >>very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to >>Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally loved it. >> >>Mr Noonan, I hope you have this on your list of things to do... Trouble is >>that it never did host a GP. Too dangerous? The touring cars do a lot of >>damage to the scenery every year... >> >>Some starter URL's >>http://www.bathurst1000.com.au/ >>http://www.brock05.com/race.html >> >>Tony >>

Almost everywhere :-) Track can be downloaded from (for example) www.grandprix2.com Here's the readme file: 15/11//99 version 1.0 ======================================================================= Title : New track: Mount Panorama, Bathurst, NSW, Australia Filenames : bathurst_NSW_1999.dat, gp2form.txt, JAD files Author : David Richards, Glenn Durden Nickname : Davros, Alfa Description : Long circuit up and down a mountain. Touring cars take well over 2 minutes to complete each lap. Used for 1000km endurance races. Other works : Homepage : Thanks to : - Paul Hoad for making the track editor! - Paul Hoad for the object editor primer - Addie for the command library - Addie for the pitlane tutorial - Martijn for the scenery tutorial and many others on the forum. ======================================================================= * Construction * Editors used : Track Editor 0.1.7.6.8 Known Bugs : None? Build Time : about two days * Other information * Features: - Extensive use of the newly understood scenery commands. - Object editing... The crane (turn 1 Interlagos) is now reshaped and retextured into being the light posts down the start/finish straight. Advert boards reshaped and retextured into large trees, such as at turn 1 of this track. Small white building (marshal posts?) enlarged and retextured into a more useful building. - Hopefully accurate heights (as judged by many viewings of the 1997 video) and reasonable facsimiles of the armco adverts used. - Camera positions as used by television Ch10. Yes this circuit is real, not fictional. * Installation * .... <cut> >>And if he picks up GP2 again, he can race the version that was done >>by Glenn Durden & friends for this sim... >Mt Panorama for GP2 ??? Where Jo ? Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:24:14 +0100, "Tony Lake" >There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any >other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and >very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to >Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally loved it. Usually, some Australian Touring cars teams show up for the Nurburgring 24h to get their share of "in awe but generally loved it". ;-) Bathurst is interesting, but: it has never hosted a GP, and is still in use for touring car racing, so it's not really a "Grand Prix Legend". >;-> IMHO, some other tracks should be done first, and I support of course my home track: the Solitude, a former race track in the forests partially within the city limits of Stuttgart, Germany. In the 1950s to mid 60s, several german Motorcycle GPs were hosted there, plus non-championship F1 races with Clark, Gurney and others. Huge spectator crowds showed up, 400000 people and more. A real Grand Prix Legend. ;-) It's a shame that the younger generation of the local population (like me) does not know anything about the Solitude race track anymore. The much safer Hockenheim took over, and the Solitude was used as public road only. The track is 11.4 km long and has 45 turns. The Esses in the puzzling Mahdental section (17 turns in a row) were described by Phil Hill as being harder to memorize than the whole Nordschleife. The Solitude features a tight Exmuehle-like turn, followed by a steep uphill climb named "Misery". As the track has not only ups, but downs as well, the total elevation difference adds up to 123m. ;-) Plus a very fast section on top of the hill, which is about 4km long. The final straight through the forest leads into downhill sweeps. With the biggest part of the crowd being there in a stadium-like valley, the whole experience was similar to that of the Motodrom in Hockenheim. See http://www.bawue.de/~matthead/solitude/ for some maps, pictures, parts of the 1962 program etc. -- Matthias Flatt

Rod The closest I have seen it on a sim is when someone released a track for GP2. It is great to be able setup for a race around the track. Although GP2 may not have the physics, it is a total rush through the dipper and blast down the straight and continue flat out at the kink. The track they did was very good and you do get the impression that you are climbing up the "mountain". Dave On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:10:49 GMT, [email hidden] (Rod) wrote:

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>On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:24:14 +0100, "Tony Lake" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any >>other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight and >>very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to go to >>Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally loved it. > >I've driven the track in my once beloved XW-GT, I've got videos of >races from around 68 to 74 and I really did appreciate the patience >and skill one must have to drive this circuit for hours on end in a >car that wasn't designed well to take corners (let alone the big >dipper - If you've ever driven it, the road just dissapears under your >bonnet) > >Would love to see this circit modelled in a sim that has at least half >decent physics. > >Cheers, >Rod.

Now that would be something to spoont in your shorts about. If it was accuratly modeled (i have an extremely detailed large surveyors track map for there, if anyone wants it let me know here), it would be awesome next to nothing else. Luke Phillips

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> I'd like to drive Laguna Seca too, how is the Corkscrew??? The Dipper > at Bathurst is very similar, apparently not quite as steep though. The > difference is that the rest of Bathurst beats Laguna Seca hands down!! > > We can always dream, right? Bathurst in GPL? Please? > > Rafe Mc > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:54:37 +0100, Andre Warringa > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >You're not the first one with this idea, seems Bathurst is one of the > >most wanted tracks for GPL. Besides a banked Monza, my favorite track > >for GPL was Laguna Seca. > >Thanks to the converter I've got it :) > > > >Andre > > > >On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:24:14 +0100, "Tony Lake" > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>There is an Aussie race track which would be unbelievable in GPL (or any > >>other sim for that matter). It's about 6km long, with a 2 km straight

and > >>very steep in places - top to bottom 170 m. Every foreign driver to goto > >>Bathurst for the annual 1000km race has been in awe but generally lovedit. > >> > >>Mr Noonan, I hope you have this on your list of things to do... Troubleis

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> >>that it never did host a GP. Too dangerous? The touring cars do a lot of > >>damage to the scenery every year... > >> > >>Some starter URL's > >>http://www.bathurst1000.com.au/ > >>http://www.brock05.com/race.html > >> > >>Tony > >> >

Brad McMahon wrote: > Sir Jack is also > there. In fact last year > was the only time in his entire racing career was he forced to retire > due to a shunt. Brad, I found that piece of info to be pretty remarkable, so I looked up Brabham's racing record at Planet F1: http://www.planet-f1.com/drivers/results_by_driver.html/f1/ENG?driver=JBRABH He had numerous retirements due to accidents -- Monza 1970, Monaco 1969 (crashed with Surtees! We can all relate to that one), Zandvoort 1968, Zandvoort 1962, Monsanto 1959, Monza 1958, Nurburgring 1958, Rouen 1957. Where did you hear that statement? Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Brad McMahon wrote: > Sir Jack is also > there. In fact last year > was the only time in his entire racing career was he forced to retire > due to a shunt. Is that true? That's an amazing statistic. Later last year, at the Goodwood festival, he had another, very scary looking crash. While driving an old 60's McLaren F1 car, he came together with Jackie Oliver and spun into a wall pretty hard. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

It HAS hosted several Australian GPs, Matt........none were part of the World Championship, however. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Matthias Flatt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:24:14 +0100, "Tony Lake" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Bathurst is interesting, but: it has never hosted a GP, and is still > in use for touring car racing, so it's not really a "Grand Prix > Legend". >;->

Jo Helsen wrote: > > Almost everywhere :-) > > Track can be downloaded from (for example) www.grandprix2.com > OK then what about the shortened Adelaide track for the Clipsal race next weekend? Especially since the BRM's, Coopers, Ferrari's, Brabham's and Lotus's will be racing again, with of course Sir Jack Brabham. For those who don't know, yes, this is real. The main event for most is the V8 touring cars, but the Formula One cars from the GPL era also race on both days. Yes, RACE not a parade lap. Sir Jack is also there. In fact last year was the only time in his entire racing career was he forced to retire due to a shunt. I will be there with my camera this year, especially since Jack will be back in a '67 Brabham. I'm so excited to see an actual live GPL race!!! http://www.adelaidev8.net/ for more info. If anyone is interested I'll get the programme and publish the actual cars that will be competing. Brad

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> > > OK then what about the shortened Adelaide track for the Clipsal race > next weekend? > Especially since the BRM's, Coopers, Ferrari's, Brabham's and Lotus's > will be racing again, > with of course Sir Jack Brabham. > > For those who don't know, yes, this is real. > The main event for most is the V8 touring cars, but the Formula One cars > from the GPL era > also race on both days. Yes, RACE not a parade lap. Sir Jack is also > there. In fact last year > was the only time in his entire racing career was he forced to retire > due to a shunt. > I will be there with my camera this year, especially since Jack will be > back in a '67 Brabham. > I'm so excited to see an actual live GPL race!!! > http://www.adelaidev8.net/ for more info. If anyone is interested I'll > get the programme and publish > the actual cars that will be competing. > > Brad

Found the media release! 10/9/99 SIR JACK WILL DRIVE A BRABHAM IN RACE OF LEGENDS AT CLIPSAL 500 ADELAIDE For the first time in 30 years, Sir Jack Brabham will climb back into a Formula One car bearing his own name and race in the Clipsal 500 Adelaide support feature event, Formula Adelaide - The race of Legends. The event will be held on Adelaide�s 3.2km street circuit from April 7-9, 2000. Brabham drove an F1 McLaren-BRM at the inaugural Race of Legends this year, however in the year 2000 event, race fans will be delighted to see Sir Jack race one of his own cars again. Sir Jack is the only man ever to win the Formula One World Driver�s Championship and the Constructor�s Championship in a car bearing his own name, an achievement not likely to be repeated. Two Brabham F1 cars have been offered to the Australian Legend to drive, one has been found in the US formerly raced by the late Austrian world champion, Jochen Rindt in 1968. Seattle Formula Adelaide competitor, John Dimmer was so concerned that Sir Jack might not get to race a Brabham F1 car again, he bought the Rindt car specifically for Brabham to drive in Adelaide next year. Sir Jack will also have a second Brabham -Repco to drive based here in Australia. The race car is his old 1967 chassis, the year his team won both the driver�s and constructor�s F1 championship for the second year in a row. Formula Adelaide-Race of Legends will again attract a field of 18 to 20 historic 1966-1969 Pre-Winged Formula One racing cars from the United Kingdom, United States, Australia and New Zealand. Results from the inaugural Formula Adelaide-race of Legends: Race 1: Vern Schuppan (Aus) Lotus 49B, Pete Lovely (USA) Lotus 49, Jack Brabham (Aus) McLaren M5A BRM. Fastest Lap: Pete Lovely-1.33.92. Race 2: Dave Livingstone (USA) Ferrari 312/69, P. Lovely (USA) Lotus 49, Robs Lamplough (UK) BRM 133. Fastest Lap: D.Livingstone 1.37.92. Race 3: Pete Lovely (USA) Lotus 49, Vern Schuppan (AUS) Lotus 49B, Jack Brabham (AUS) McLaren M5A BRM. Fastest Lap: V. Schuppan 1.37.79. Race 4: Vern Schuppan (Aus) Lotus 49B, Pete Lovely (USA) Lotus 49, Jack Brabham (AUS) McLaren M5A BRM. Fastest Lap: J Brabham 1.34.03. Formula Adelaide-Race of Legends lap record: P. Lovely Lotus 49, 1.33.92. For Further Information Contact: John Stoneham Formula Adelaide - Race of Legends Tel: 08 8344 4424 Fax: 08 8344 9830 or, Mike Drewer mobile 0419 273333

[email hidden] (Brad McMahon) wrote in <[email hidden]>: What we need to do is bombard SpeedVisions programming department to get them to air this. Here's there email address: [email hidden] Let them know you want it!

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>Brad McMahon wrote: >> >> >> OK then what about the shortened Adelaide track for the Clipsal race >> next weekend? >> Especially since the BRM's, Coopers, Ferrari's, Brabham's and Lotus's >> will be racing again, >> with of course Sir Jack Brabham. >> >> For those who don't know, yes, this is real. >> The main event for most is the V8 touring cars, but the Formula One cars >> from the GPL era >> also race on both days. Yes, RACE not a parade lap. Sir Jack is also >> there. In fact last year >> was the only time in his entire racing career was he forced to retire >> due to a shunt. >> I will be there with my camera this year, especially since Jack will be >> back in a '67 Brabham. >> I'm so excited to see an actual live GPL race!!! >> http://www.adelaidev8.net/ for more info. If anyone is interested I'll >> get the programme and publish >> the actual cars that will be competing. >> >> Brad >Found the media release! >10/9/99 > > SIR JACK WILL DRIVE A BRABHAM IN RACE OF LEGENDS AT > CLIPSAL 500 ADELAIDE > > For the first time in 30 years, Sir Jack Brabham will climb back into >a > Formula One car bearing his own name and race in the Clipsal 500 > Adelaide support feature event, Formula Adelaide - The race of > Legends. > > The event will be held on Adelaide�s 3.2km street circuit from April > 7-9, 2000. > > Brabham drove an F1 McLaren-BRM at the inaugural Race of Legends > this year, however in the year 2000 event, race fans will be >delighted > to see Sir Jack race one of his own cars again. > > Sir Jack is the only man ever to win the Formula One World Driver�s > Championship and the Constructor�s Championship in a car bearing > his own name, an achievement not likely to be repeated. > > Two Brabham F1 cars have been offered to the Australian Legend to > drive, one has been found in the US formerly raced by the late > Austrian world champion, Jochen Rindt in 1968. > > Seattle Formula Adelaide competitor, John Dimmer was so concerned > that Sir Jack might not get to race a Brabham F1 car again, he bought > the Rindt car specifically for Brabham to drive in Adelaide next >year. > > Sir Jack will also have a second Brabham -Repco to drive based here > in Australia. The race car is his old 1967 chassis, the year his team > won both the driver�s and constructor�s F1 championship for the > second year in a row. > > Formula Adelaide-Race of Legends will again attract a field of 18 to >20 > historic 1966-1969 Pre-Winged Formula One racing cars from the > United Kingdom, United States, Australia and New Zealand. > > Results from the inaugural Formula Adelaide-race of Legends: > > Race 1: > Vern Schuppan (Aus) Lotus 49B, Pete Lovely (USA) Lotus 49, > Jack Brabham (Aus) McLaren M5A BRM. Fastest Lap: Pete > Lovely-1.33.92. > > Race 2: > Dave Livingstone (USA) Ferrari 312/69, P. Lovely (USA) Lotus 49, > Robs Lamplough (UK) BRM 133. Fastest Lap: D.Livingstone 1.37.92. > > Race 3: > Pete Lovely (USA) Lotus 49, Vern Schuppan (AUS) Lotus 49B, > Jack Brabham (AUS) McLaren M5A BRM. Fastest Lap: V. Schuppan > 1.37.79. > > Race 4: > Vern Schuppan (Aus) Lotus 49B, Pete Lovely (USA) Lotus 49, > Jack Brabham (AUS) McLaren M5A BRM. Fastest Lap: J Brabham > 1.34.03. > Formula Adelaide-Race of Legends lap record: P. Lovely Lotus 49, > 1.33.92. > > For Further Information Contact: > John Stoneham Formula Adelaide - Race of Legends > Tel: 08 8344 4424 Fax: 08 8344 9830 or, > Mike Drewer mobile 0419 273333 >

-- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

I recall that he also retired at Goodwood last year,,,,,,,due to an even nastier shunt. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Brad McMahon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Sir Jack is also > there. In fact last year > was the only time in his entire racing career was he forced to retire > due to a shunt

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> > Brad McMahon wrote: > > > Sir Jack is also > > there. In fact last year > > was the only time in his entire racing career was he forced to retire > > due to a shunt. > > Brad, > > I found that piece of info to be pretty remarkable, so I looked up > Brabham's racing record at Planet F1: > > http://www.planet-f1.com/drivers/results_by_driver.html/f1/ENG?driver=JBRABH > > He had numerous retirements due to accidents -- Monza 1970, Monaco 1969 > (crashed with Surtees! We can all relate to that one), Zandvoort 1968, > Zandvoort 1962, Monsanto 1959, Monza 1958, Nurburgring 1958, Rouen 1957. > > Where did you hear that statement?

Gee, it was in some media thing I saw somewhere. It might even be the official programme.. I must find out, maybe I read it wrong. I'll let you know!

On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:12:49 +1000, "Luke Phillips" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Now that would be something to spoont in your shorts about. If it was >accuratly modeled (i have an extremely detailed large surveyors track map >for there, if anyone wants it let me know here), it would be awesome next to >nothing else. > >Luke Phillips Luke, I think these people will be very interested in your track map: http://www.mircx.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?forum=Tracked Give it a visit. JoH

> Now that would be something to spoont in your shorts about Heaven help me if I ever spoonted in my single malt <G> MS