Re: Favorite N3 track?

e race the ICR2/CART tracks online with the latest N3 patches. And I'm betting, since there was a hack in the early days of the beta patch, that allowed posting of the other tracks, it will only be awhile before somebody hacks the last beta patch so that all the >>>>Please elaborate on this. I have never heard this and find it very interesting. Rik Anthrax - - "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?" "Cato was right."

Watkins Glen Sears Point uhhhh, uhhh, uhhhh...... Rik Anthrax - - "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?" "Cato was right."

Prior to N3, I loved Sears Point, but without the carosel and the hairpin, just doesn't have any "soul" left. Lately been in a South-Boston Mode.

In article <W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]>, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan Pocono. Toooooooooo fun. Difficult with the 3 completely unique turns, AI is fair, car setup very important. I would love to drive this track for real!! hammer Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Darlington

Man, I HATE Darlington!!! Couldn't wait for my AI race to be over in my season. I ran 25% and was "only" 3 or 4 laps down at the end. Really kicked my ass, it did!! lol. My fav's Daytona. I run well and qual well there. Bristol's "fun" but it's not my favorite to run. Gunner

I currently have 3 favourites (I don't play on-line): Bristol because it is a rush to go so fast in so small an area Dover because the AI seem especially smart and agressive there And my current top track: Phoenix! Seems like the FF is better here than anywhere - it's a real effort to stay off the wall at speed. This track feels like a road course with no right turns. And it seems like the car oversteers more realistically here - get out of shape coming out of a corner and end up crashing midway down the straight (like some drivers at Texas last Sunday!). "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't seeit > online a lot. > >

Bristol, Myrtle and Dega -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] --------------------------------------------------- DK-Racing #15 K_Anderson ------------------------------------------------- http://www.awtech.net/ Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't see it > online a lot. > >

Phoenix is an awesome track as are most all of the flat tracks. Took me a long time to get the hang of Phoenix (all of N1 and probably half of N2's life span LOL) but once I did it is by far one of my best/favorite tracks. I guess my overall favorite N3 track though would have to be Nashville. All time favorite track would be Hickory. It is a direct slap in the face to their customers that the bastages at Havas/Sierra/Papy don't have the balls to support tracks that no longer come with the latest release of the game. Just one of the many reasons I will no longer support their continued releases of N2 engine based titles. Rob <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I currently have 3 favourites (I don't play on-line): > > Bristol because it is a rush to go so fast in so small an area > Dover because the AI seem especially smart and agressive there > > And my current top track: > Phoenix! Seems like the FF is better here than anywhere - it's a real

effort > to stay off the wall at speed. This track feels like a road course with no > right turns. And it seems like the car oversteers more realisticallyhere - > get out of shape coming out of a corner and end up crashing midway downthe > straight (like some drivers at Texas last Sunday!). > > "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... > > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can'tsee > it > > online a lot. > > > > > >

I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't see it online a lot.

While you can't see the tracks in the racing lobbies, you can race pretty much any track you want by using the ip address feature. All ya have to do is announce the track and ip# and let anyone who has it join in. We race the ICR2/CART tracks online with the latest N3 patches. And I'm betting, since there was a hack in the early days of the beta patch, that allowed posting of the other tracks, it will only be awhile before somebody hacks the last beta patch so that all the tracks are visible again. (just my hunch there) dave henrie Racer88 wrote:

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> > Phoenix is an awesome track as are most all of the flat tracks. Took me a > long time to get the hang of Phoenix (all of N1 and probably half of N2's > life span LOL) but once I did it is by far one of my best/favorite tracks. > > I guess my overall favorite N3 track though would have to be Nashville. > > All time favorite track would be Hickory. > > It is a direct slap in the face to their customers that the bastages at > Havas/Sierra/Papy don't have the balls to support tracks that no longer come > with the latest release of the game. > > Just one of the many reasons I will no longer support their continued > releases of N2 engine based titles. > > Rob <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I currently have 3 favourites (I don't play on-line): > > > > Bristol because it is a rush to go so fast in so small an area > > Dover because the AI seem especially smart and agressive there > > > > And my current top track: > > Phoenix! Seems like the FF is better here than anywhere - it's a real > effort > > to stay off the wall at speed. This track feels like a road course with no > > right turns. And it seems like the car oversteers more realistically > here - > > get out of shape coming out of a corner and end up crashing midway down > the > > straight (like some drivers at Texas last Sunday!). > > > > "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... > > > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't > see > > it > > > online a lot. > > > > > > > > > >

Yeah I know all that. Thing is you can't tell me that the folks that own Hickory, Mesa, Flemington, and so forth and so on give a rats ass whether we are racing likenesses of their tracks online or not. Hell a large number of the tracks that are filtered from the WON sewer are still under license to Papy. The whole thing just plain stinks to me. Hell they even filter Bull Run and Red Rock. Their OWN creations. Of course I have a suspicion that it's an all or nothing thing the way the filter works. So even if it wasn't an issue of legality, or whatever their reasoning is to filter, it's still just tuff luck to us the users. Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> While you can't see the tracks in the racing lobbies, you can > race pretty much any track you want by using the ip address feature. > All ya have to do is announce the track and ip# and let anyone who has > it join in. We race the ICR2/CART tracks online with the latest N3 > patches. And I'm betting, since there was a hack in the early days of > the beta patch, that allowed posting of the other tracks, it will only > be awhile before somebody hacks the last beta patch so that all the > tracks are visible again. (just my hunch there) > dave henrie > > Racer88 wrote: > > > > Phoenix is an awesome track as are most all of the flat tracks. Took me

a > > long time to get the hang of Phoenix (all of N1 and probably half ofN2's > > life span LOL) but once I did it is by far one of my best/favoritetracks.

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> > > > I guess my overall favorite N3 track though would have to be Nashville. > > > > All time favorite track would be Hickory. > > > > It is a direct slap in the face to their customers that the bastages at > > Havas/Sierra/Papy don't have the balls to support tracks that no longer

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> > with the latest release of the game. > > > > Just one of the many reasons I will no longer support their continued > > releases of N2 engine based titles. > > > > Rob <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I currently have 3 favourites (I don't play on-line): > > > > > > Bristol because it is a rush to go so fast in so small an area > > > Dover because the AI seem especially smart and agressive there > > > > > > And my current top track: > > > Phoenix! Seems like the FF is better here than anywhere - it's a real > > effort > > > to stay off the wall at speed. This track feels like a road course

with no > > > right turns. And it seems like the car oversteers more realistically > > here - > > > get out of shape coming out of a corner and end up crashing midwaydown > > the > > > straight (like some drivers at Texas last Sunday!). > > > > > > "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... > > > > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but Ican't

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> > see > > > it > > > > online a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:56:06 GMT, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't see it >online a lot. > > Michigan is one of my favorites too - first race I ran there was with N1 over a modem with a friend - the damn traffic was intoxicating - turning into 3 still doing 197 so close to the car in front that all I could see of the back was his spoiler with a car right behind me and right beside me, staying like that all the way to turn 1, I was instantly sold... Can't pick ONE favorite tho' - Michigan, Sears Point (never been able to do well, but I love it), Talladega, Milwaukee sweet Milwaukee, Mesa Marin (rowdy as hell and reminds me of my local track), Bristol, absolutely love Bull Run (not a real track but it should be), I hated the N1 version but ever since N2/99 I've really grown fond of N. Wilkesboro, ohhhhh POcono, heartbreaker Charlotte, I royally enjoyed the old Atlanta (wish they had left it alone...), and although they're not N3 or even N for that matter Laguna Seca and Cleveland in stock cars just does something to me...

Darlington Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't seeit > online a lot. > >

Phillip Malphrus, Jr. wrote in message <3wuG4.84749$[email hidden]>... >Darlington > Man, I HATE Darlington!!! Couldn't wait for my AI race to be over in my season. I ran 25% and was "only" 3 or 4 laps down at the end. Really kicked my ass, it did!! lol. My fav's Daytona. I run well and qual well there. Bristol's "fun" but it's not my favorite to run. Gunner

In article <W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]>, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> writes: >I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't see it >online a lot. Bristol, Atlanta, Charlotte. I liked Martinsville in n2/n99, but I haven't played n3 that much yet... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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Since no one else mentioned it, my favorite is "The Rock" 2_Slow "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can'tsee it > online a lot. > >

function again. While I appreciate Papy's wanting to limit the tracks,this makes support on their end much easier, I own all the tracks, and convertors and since I've been driving them in some form or another for years, I expect to be able to continue that online as well. seeya all...don't forget to turn right! dave henrie >>Kool, Thanks for the info Dave. Is the ICR2>N3 converter availiable anywhere? I have the new N3>GPL<ICR2 converter, will that work? Rik Anthrax - - it's a GPL kinda day :)

Gotta go faster than you would ever think you could possibly go there. Barely lift into 1 and enter down low. Right along the left edge of the "groove". Timing the braking point in 3 is critical too. Brake hard that little patch of what looks like armco in the outside wall gets about the center of your windshield. Gotta time it to where you catch that bump just right. Try to hold around 165 in 1-2 and 145 in 3-4 for starters. Then start working towards 170 on the big end and 150 or so on the little end. Going to slow is death at Darlington. Took me a long time to figure that out. It really is a fun track once you get the hang of it. Don Hancock ("Gunner") <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H8vG4.1034$[email hidden]...

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> Phillip Malphrus, Jr. wrote in message > <3wuG4.84749$[email hidden]>... > >Darlington > > > > > Man, I HATE Darlington!!! Couldn't wait for my AI race to be over in

my > season. I ran 25% and was "only" 3 or 4 laps down at the end. Really > kicked my ass, it did!! lol. > > My fav's Daytona. I run well and qual well there. Bristol's "fun"but > it's not my favorite to run. > > Gunner > >

Well, considering how similar NL is to N3... My favorite track is Ontario in NL, followed by Indy in N3, and then each track in the opposite sim...then Dega in NL, but N3 Dega is waaay down because it doesn't have the 20-lap-gotta-pit-or-die thing...I like having a 36 lap race be a one-stopper but a 43 lap race absolutely necessitating two stops :) -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA" Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't see it > online a lot. > >

N3 is the stepchild of N99 and N2 which have somewhat similar track contructions that date back all the way the ICR2.(now called All American Cart Racing or jut Cart Racing) So with convertors that are available and some extra work from the guys from the USPits, you can take any track Papy has created, including the old old road courses from Cart and use them in N3. We run leagues on Sunday, and soon Wednesday night that use road courses exclusively, not only the N3 road courses like Sears and Watkins, but the old old old Mid Ohio, Laguna Seca, and Road America from CART. I also expect a convertor soon that will open up some of the flatter GPL tracks to N3 drivers. part II: There was in the early days of Online N3 racing, a patch that allowed a host's track to be seen by all, even if it was not supported by Won/Papy/Sierra. I expect, that whomever figured out how to do that, is already prying apart the newer Papy patches to allow the function again. While I appreciate Papy's wanting to limit the tracks,this makes support on their end much easier, I own all the tracks, and convertors and since I've been driving them in some form or another for years, I expect to be able to continue that online as well. seeya all...don't forget to turn right! dave henrie Rikanthrax wrote:

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> > e race the ICR2/CART tracks online with the latest N3 > patches. And I'm betting, since there was a hack in the early days of > the beta patch, that allowed posting of the other tracks, it will only > be awhile before somebody hacks the last beta patch so that all the > >>>> > Please elaborate on this. > I have never heard this and find it very interesting. > Rik Anthrax > - > - > "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?" > "Cato was right."

In the "early" (hehe) days of N3 you could race any track.....period. The only limit was the 40 track limit in the host's all.cal and the 64 track limit of the tracks folder. Then during the "early" days of the beta patching process the calendar limit was raised to 60. Still could see any track that a host desired to put up. Well any that was based on a N2, N99, N3 or NL track anyway. I can't really speak to how it handled some of the tracks you mention using regularly. Then around the 1100 series of beta patches if I remeber right is when the filtering of any non-N3 tracks was put in place. That's the thing that really bites is that they took something away that we already had and had become accustomed to using. Hopefully this will all be remedied before to long and we can all crawl up out of the sewer and have a user based system that WE can control. www.raceserver.net Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> N3 is the stepchild of N99 and N2 which have somewhat similar track > contructions that date back all the way the ICR2.(now called All > American Cart Racing or jut Cart Racing) > So with convertors that are available and some extra work from the > guys from the USPits, you can take any track Papy has created, including > the old old road courses from Cart and use them in N3. We run leagues > on Sunday, and soon Wednesday night that use road courses exclusively, > not only the N3 road courses like Sears and Watkins, but the old old old > Mid Ohio, Laguna Seca, and Road America from CART. I also expect a > convertor soon that will open up some of the flatter GPL tracks to N3 > drivers. > part II: There was in the early days of Online N3 racing, a patch > that allowed a host's track to be seen by all, even if it was not > supported by Won/Papy/Sierra. I expect, that whomever figured out how > to do that, is already prying apart the newer Papy patches to allow the > function again. While I appreciate Papy's wanting to limit the > tracks,this makes support on their end much easier, I own all the > tracks, and convertors and since I've been driving them in some form or > another for years, I expect to be able to continue that online as well. > seeya all...don't forget to turn right! > dave henrie > > Rikanthrax wrote: > > > > e race the ICR2/CART tracks online with the latest N3 > > patches. And I'm betting, since there was a hack in the early days of > > the beta patch, that allowed posting of the other tracks, it will only > > be awhile before somebody hacks the last beta patch so that all the > > >>>> > > Please elaborate on this. > > I have never heard this and find it very interesting. > > Rik Anthrax > > - > > - > > "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?" > > "Cato was right."

Lowes - dunno why, probably cause its the one i'm good at ;) Ash Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... | I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't seeit | online a lot. | |

Hands Down, THE GLEN!!!

Nope I'm pretty sure the new convertor is a one way deal so far where you enable older tracks or N3 tracks to work with GPL. The N2>ICR2 and ICR2>N2 convertor is a package deal from theuspits.com Same Dave Noonan, just his earlier work. There is a 3 track demo also available from the pits for free, but the full convertor is $15. dave henrie Rikanthrax wrote:

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> > function again. While I appreciate Papy's wanting to limit the > tracks,this makes support on their end much easier, I own all the > tracks, and convertors and since I've been driving them in some form or > another for years, I expect to be able to continue that online as well. > seeya all...don't forget to turn right! > dave henrie > >> > Kool, > Thanks for the info Dave. > Is the ICR2>N3 converter availiable anywhere? > I have the new N3>GPL<ICR2 converter, will that work? > > Rik Anthrax > - > - > it's a GPL kinda day :)

Hands Down, THE GLEN!!! "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W0qG4.24031$[email hidden]... > I was just wondering because mine is absolutely Michigan, but I can't seeit > online a lot. > >

I have to agree, at first the best i could run at darlington in N2 was about 163 then i started just lifting instead of braking into what is now turn 1 and picked up to 168 for lap speeds. Racer88 wrote:

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> Gotta go faster than you would ever think you could possibly go there. > Barely lift into 1 and enter down low. Right along the left edge of the > "groove". > Timing the braking point in 3 is critical too. Brake hard that little patch > of what looks like armco in the outside wall gets about the center of your > windshield. Gotta time it to where you catch that bump just right. > > Try to hold around 165 in 1-2 and 145 in 3-4 for starters. Then start > working towards 170 on the big end and 150 or so on the little end. > > Going to slow is death at Darlington. Took me a long time to figure that > out. It really is a fun track once you get the hang of it.

Atlanta - wide, fast, and i always run well there Rockingham - a challenging track Martinsville - 500 lap traffic jam