Re: Best GPL times on a ... keyboard?

"GP2 had a steering help system if you used the keys which would stop you from over turning, it was still a fun and realistic experiance with this control method, not to forget it was also the fastest." Hmm, don't really agree that using keys s the fastest method, did you really mean this? Using a wheel and pedals cuts seconds off the lap-time.

On 8 Apr 2000 00:13:06 GMT, gmontem@apollo (GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR) wrote:

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> >I am expecting my copy of GPL from the mail soon. I don't have >raching wheels yet (I plan to get ACT LABS's FF wheel at the end of the >school semester), but there is one thing I am wondering about... > >What is your best LAP time on any of the GPL tracks with a keyboard, and >only a keyboard -- no pedals, no shifters, no joysticks, no wheels? > >GM

1:54 at Monza in the BRM...:) with automatic gearbox... And I have never won a race.... I always "close the gate", and have done that for 19 months with a couple of hours driving a week..... Why the h... shall this game be so hard with keyboard?? I don't know how to get off the grid fast..:( If I speed up, the gearbox (auto-transmission, that is) shifts to 1.gear and I get the penalty for false start...:( if I wait for the green flag all the competitors are away much faster than me.... and when I try to reach the competitors I always ends up in the grass or the sand...:( I have also tried to press both brakes and speeder, but it never works...:( A friendly soul sent me a setup-file the other day, so now I can use my favorite keys..:) "A" for forward, "Z" for breaking...:) -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thore Sorensen - [email hidden] DK-2700 Bronshoj - Denmark

I am expecting my copy of GPL from the mail soon. I don't have raching wheels yet (I plan to get ACT LABS's FF wheel at the end of the school semester), but there is one thing I am wondering about... What is your best LAP time on any of the GPL tracks with a keyboard, and only a keyboard -- no pedals, no shifters, no joysticks, no wheels? GM

GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR wrote in message <8cltii$[email hidden]>...

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> >I am expecting my copy of GPL from the mail soon. I don't have >raching wheels yet (I plan to get ACT LABS's FF wheel at the end of the >school semester), but there is one thing I am wondering about... > >What is your best LAP time on any of the GPL tracks with a keyboard, and >only a keyboard -- no pedals, no shifters, no joysticks, no wheels? > >GM

Nurburgring -- 3 days, 09:12:06.51 ;-) Kurt

masochist... Kurt Steinbock wrote:

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> > GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR wrote in message <8cltii$[email hidden]>... > > > >I am expecting my copy of GPL from the mail soon. I don't have > >raching wheels yet (I plan to get ACT LABS's FF wheel at the end of the > >school semester), but there is one thing I am wondering about... > > > >What is your best LAP time on any of the GPL tracks with a keyboard, and > >only a keyboard -- no pedals, no shifters, no joysticks, no wheels? > > > >GM > > Nurburgring -- 3 days, 09:12:06.51 ;-) > > Kurt

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GPL unlike GP2 isn't easy to play using a keyboard. Geoff Crammond obviuosly realises that there are lots of people out there who don't wish (or have the money to) to spend a fortune on expensve controller equipment. One of the joys of GP2 was that it was instantly accesible to anyone with a reasonably powered computer, you didn't have to go out and spend money on controllers/3d cards, you just loaded it up and went racing. GP2 had a steering help system if you used the keys which would stop you from over turning, it was still a fun and realistic experiance with this control method, not to forget it was also the fastest. Chris * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Hmm...I imagine you'll make it 2m before you get around Watkins Glen and after you butcher the 90 you'll kill yourself... Don't you even have some cheap joystick for flight sims or something? Almost anything is better than the keyboard...just something analog!!! -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA" GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR <gmontem@apollo> wrote in message news:8cltii$[email hidden]... > > I am expecting my copy of GPL from the mail soon. I don't have > raching wheels yet (I plan to get ACT LABS's FF wheel at the end of the > school semester), but there is one thing I am wondering about... > > What is your best LAP time on any of the GPL tracks with a keyboard, and > only a keyboard -- no pedals, no shifters, no joysticks, no wheels? > > GM

Seriously?? I managed a 1:11 in the Honda at Watkins Glen. Why?? I was bored at work... :-)))) James Pickard GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR <gmontem@apollo> wrote in message news:8cltii$[email hidden]...

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> > I am expecting my copy of GPL from the mail soon. I don't have > raching wheels yet (I plan to get ACT LABS's FF wheel at the end of the > school semester), but there is one thing I am wondering about... > > What is your best LAP time on any of the GPL tracks with a keyboard, and > only a keyboard -- no pedals, no shifters, no joysticks, no wheels? > > GM

George, I tried this after I knew how to control these cars, and I must tell you that in all honest, being new at the sim, and being on keys, you haven't got a hope. Once you get a wheel, you can enjoy this sim which puts all others to shame, until then just maybe learn the tracks and study how to build setups. "GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR" <gmontem@apollo> wrote in message news:8cltii$[email hidden]...

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> > I am expecting my copy of GPL from the mail soon. I don't have > raching wheels yet (I plan to get ACT LABS's FF wheel at the end of the > school semester), but there is one thing I am wondering about... > > What is your best LAP time on any of the GPL tracks with a keyboard, and > only a keyboard -- no pedals, no shifters, no joysticks, no wheels? > > GM

Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>GPL unlike GP2 isn't easy to play using a keyboard. Geoff >Crammond obviuosly realises that there are lots of people out >there who don't wish (or have the money to) to spend a fortune >on expensve controller equipment. > >One of the joys of GP2 was that it was instantly accesible to >anyone with a reasonably powered computer, you didn't have to >go out and spend money on controllers/3d cards, you just loaded >it up and went racing. > >GP2 had a steering help system if you used the keys which would >stop you from over turning, it was still a fun and realistic >experiance with this control method, not to forget it was also >the fastest.

Ah, Gp2.....when it was released I spent 2 months in hospital, seriously ill. I had a laptop, and was able to play GP2 on that. Heck, it was a fun time! Playing Gp2 all day long while in bed. <g> Remco

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>"GP2 had a steering help system if you used the keys which would >stop you from over turning, it was still a fun and realistic >experiance with this control method, not to forget it was also >the fastest." > >Hmm, don't really agree that using keys s the fastest method, did you really >mean this? >Using a wheel and pedals cuts seconds off the lap-time.

He was probably mixing up with F1GP, the predecessor of GP2. There, it was very obviously the fastest control method. But as you say, nowhere near in GP2... JoH ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- --------------------------------------------------------------

I remember the best lap times ever recorded in GP2 were done by guys using the keyboard! Sad but true... ...Colin

> >Hmm, don't really agree that using keys s the fastest method,did you really >mean this? >Using a wheel and pedals cuts seconds off the lap-time. > >Well I used to run in and run my own little GP2 league and us keyboarders were often faster than the wheel guys. Chri * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

No it's not pure nonsense. I bought GP2 the day it came out and followed the fastest lap for the 1 year+ that I played it. Agreed, maybe now it's different, but back then the fastest laps WERE done using the keyboard. And no I'm not talking about F1GP. Read posts more carefully before launching headlong at someone else. Very bad form. ...Colin > This is pure NONSENSE. You are talking about F1GP. In GP2, excellent > wheel drivers are 2-3s faster than excellent keyboard drivers. Period. > Any hotlap league out there can give you the facts. > > JoH

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:08:32 -0400, "Colin" <colin AT yourmiata DOT COM> wrote: >I remember the best lap times ever recorded in GP2 were done by guys using >the keyboard! >Sad but true... >...Colin > > This is pure NONSENSE. You are talking about F1GP. In GP2, excellent wheel drivers are 2-3s faster than excellent keyboard drivers. Period. Any hotlap league out there can give you the facts. JoH

This may be true now, but I remember when GP2 came out the KB drivers were extremely competitive and had some of the top laps. It took a while to unseat them. Good wheels (and joysticks?) were still somewhat of a novelty, and the keyboard guys even found a way to disable throttle help for better control. Jo Helsen wrote:

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> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:08:32 -0400, "Colin" <colin AT yourmiata DOT > COM> wrote: > > >I remember the best lap times ever recorded in GP2 were done by guys using > >the keyboard! > >Sad but true... > >...Colin > > > > > > This is pure NONSENSE. You are talking about F1GP. In GP2, excellent > wheel drivers are 2-3s faster than excellent keyboard drivers. Period. > Any hotlap league out there can give you the facts. > > JoH

Eh? I have never used the keyboard in GP2. Never have, never will. As someone who has a LWFF and TSW I don't feel the need =) Even back then I used my trusty joystick! I think you missed my point altogether. My point was simply that when I was playing, the best times were set by guys using the keyboard. To which you responded that I was talking nonsense and that it was not true and that I was talking about F1GP. I then told you that when I was playing it was indeed the case. I can't really see how this translates into "Then you try to tell us that this devaluates the sim qualities of GP2 so much" which of course is my "REAL hidden agenda" The truth is out there Mulder, you just need to know where to look... Cheers, ...Colin Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Then you try to tell us that this devaluates the sim qualities of GP2 > so much (because keyboard players could do better than wheel drivers > and this is so unreal). Your REAL hidden agenda, of course.

I used to play GP2 with a keyboard and then changed to wheel once i got a wheel i beat all the qual records at every track...Not something i could do on keyboard..the wheel was indeed 2-3 secs a lap faster.. Colin > wrote in message <8cvgib$63c$[email hidden]>...

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>No it's not pure nonsense. >I bought GP2 the day it came out and followed the fastest lap for the 1 >year+ that I played it. >Agreed, maybe now it's different, but back then the fastest laps WERE done >using the keyboard. >And no I'm not talking about F1GP. >Read posts more carefully before launching headlong at someone else. Very >bad form. >...Colin > >> This is pure NONSENSE. You are talking about F1GP. In GP2, excellent >> wheel drivers are 2-3s faster than excellent keyboard drivers. Period. >> Any hotlap league out there can give you the facts. >> >> JoH > >

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:37:21 -0400, "Colin" <colin AT yourmiata DOT COM> wrote:

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>No it's not pure nonsense. >I bought GP2 the day it came out and followed the fastest lap for the 1 >year+ that I played it. >Agreed, maybe now it's different, but back then the fastest laps WERE done >using the keyboard. >And no I'm not talking about F1GP. >Read posts more carefully before launching headlong at someone else. Very >bad form.

So how the hell am I supposed to "misinterprete" your quote below: "I remember the best lap times ever recorded in GP2 were done by guys using the keyboard! Sad but true..." First you are talking about "the best laptimes EVER recorded". Not about beginner laptimes or early laptimes or anything Then you try to tell us that this devaluates the sim qualities of GP2 so much (because keyboard players could do better than wheel drivers and this is so unreal). Your REAL hidden agenda, of course. I don't even believe for a second that keyboard drivers were faster at the beginning. The HOF2, the hotlap competition that set the standards, had wheel and joystick drivers at the top from the start. You were just looking in the wrong places. So the problem is NOT that I should read more carefully, I believe <G> JoH

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:26:55 -0400, "Colin" <colin AT yourmiata DOT >Eh? ... Well, your statement "when I was playing" certainly was much too general here. In places where good keyboard drivers were driving against good wheel drivers, wheel drivers have *ALWAYS* been considerably faster, even at the start. Do I have to repeat it again? :-) You said: "I remember the best lap times ever recorded in GP2 were done by guys using the keyboard! Sad but true..." Why do you say "Sad but true....". I don't think there is another interpretation than that you don't like the fact that a keyboard would be faster than a wheel (which isn't true anyway of course). And which reason is there not to like that fact? Can't be another reason than that this spoils the "sim" qualities of the game for you. Why is it "sad" otherwise???? Just tell us. JoH

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>The truth is out there Mulder, you just need to know where to look... >Cheers, >...Colin >> Then you try to tell us that this devaluates the sim qualities of GP2 >> so much (because keyboard players could do better than wheel drivers >> and this is so unreal). Your REAL hidden agenda, of course.

Jo, This ramble has gone on long enough. This is Ripley, first officer of the Nostromo, signing off. Cheers, ...Colin