RASCAR Nashvilel PWF 12/18 Results

Congratulations to Cory and Neil. Track: Nashville Speedway Date: 12/18/04 Session: Practice P # DRIVER TIME 1 11 DaveGF 19.928 2 7 Dick-Trickle 19.930 3 103 JurjenvanderLelij 19.952 4 6 Neil__C 19.998 5 98 LTB-Racer 20.074 6 42 bluestringer 20.117 Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph Session: Qualifying P # DRIVER TIME 1 7 Dick-Trickle 19.892 2 6 Neil__C 19.941 3 11 DaveGF 19.955 4 33 Coorzman 20.227 5 42 bluestringer 20.374 6 98 LTB-Racer 20.607 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -- Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph Session: Happy Hour P # DRIVER TIME Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph Session: Race OFFICIAL STANDINGS F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS 1 4 33 Coorzman 84.581 200 148* 185 Running 2 2 6 Neil__C -0.22 200 38 175 Running 3 3 11 DaveGF -1.39 200 0 165 Running 4 1 7 Dick-Trickle -2.92 200 13 165 Running 5 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -7.44 200 0 155 Running 6 5 42 bluestringer -5L 195 1 155 Running 7 6 98 LTB-Racer -165L 35 0 146 Disco Caution Flags: 5 (25 laps) Lead Changes: 6 (4 drivers) Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph Pitstop Frequency: 1x PENALTIES LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY

I tried to get into the server for the better part of an hour. And I kept getting a message saying "you aren't qualified" to join this server. As there was a race going on at the time I thought that is what was meant by that message. Then as I was about to leave, I notice my rankings. They have all been reset to zero. I know I have not played in almost a year, no computers in the cancer ward, something about interfering with their equipment or something, but I didn't think my ranks would be wiped. My account is the same one I have used since N4, possibly N3, not sure as I am old. But this really sucks. Now I have a question. Does my rank for other series transfer to the trucks? So if I have a 35 LPI in cup, will that transfer to the trucks and busch? Thank, Brit btgoss http://www.thecancerdiet.com

Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver. (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that) We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts ratings. Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day. We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following week with GTP, if it is released of course. Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the first 3 already ... ) cheers jurjen

"David G Fisher" wrote... > Congratulations to Cory and Neil. > <snip> No wheel and too sick (38.5 centigrade fever) to compete... sorry. Jan. =---

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> Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver. > (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that) > > We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of > at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts > ratings. > > Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day. > We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following > week with GTP, if it is released of course. > > Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the > first 3 already ... ) > > cheers jurjen

I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week. bluestringer

Get well soon Jan :) "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ghfxd.4440$[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" wrote... >> Congratulations to Cory and Neil. >> <snip> > > No wheel and too sick (38.5 centigrade fever) to compete... sorry. > > Jan. > =--- > >

> > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week. > > bluestringer > Oops yeah - forgot you weren't on TS (why is that btw?) We decided so because the turnout for the truck races is disappointingly low and we hope to get some more drivers for the roadcourses. cheers jurjen

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:ghfxd.4440$[email hidden]: > "David G Fisher" wrote... >> Congratulations to Cory and Neil. >> <snip> > > No wheel and too sick (38.5 centigrade fever) to compete... sorry. > > Jan. > =--- > Get well soon & hope you succeed in getting a new wheel. cheers jurjen

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> Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver. > (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that) > > We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of > at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts > ratings. > > Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day. > We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following > week with GTP, if it is released of course. > > Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the > first 3 already ... ) > > cheers jurjen

I really don't know what tracks to schedule because I don't know what tracks and setups will be released with the mod. Shouldn't we schedule tracks (at least the first one) that the mod will contain a setup for so even if we go with open setups, at least the drivers will have a base to work with? The following would be the tracks I'd have at the top of the list right now, but maybe the mod will contain some nice ones too. Kyalami, Road Atlanta, Mosport, Riverside PWF, LeMans, Suzuka, Silverstone, Daytona RC. I posted a question at the GTP forum at RSC asking what tracks/setups were being released with the mod, but never got an answer before the forums went down last week. The only ones I know of for sure are Suzuka and Spa, but I remember reading awhile back that there are others. Only six more days. :-) -- David G Fisher

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> > "JLe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver. > > (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that) > > > > We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of > > at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts > > ratings. > > > > Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day. > > We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following > > week with GTP, if it is released of course. > > > > Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the > > first 3 already ... ) > > > > cheers jurjen > > > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week. > > bluestringer

Since the truck races have had a low turnout, we discussed on TS dropping IRP, moving Texas up a week, and then starting the GTP races as long as the GTP mod is released as scheduled on Christmas day. We forget you aren't on TS sometimes. :-) Sorry about that James. -- David G Fisher

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> > > > > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week. > > > > bluestringer > > > Oops yeah - forgot you weren't on TS (why is that btw?) > We decided so because the turnout for the truck races is > disappointingly low and we hope to get some more drivers for the > roadcourses. > > cheers jurjen >

So what is this GTP, is it a mod for N2003? bluestringer

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> > "JLe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week. > > > > > > bluestringer > > > > > Oops yeah - forgot you weren't on TS (why is that btw?) > > We decided so because the turnout for the truck races is > > disappointingly low and we hope to get some more drivers for the > > roadcourses. > > > > cheers jurjen > > > > > So what is this GTP, is it a mod for N2003? > > bluestringer

http://www.bhmotorsports.com/NR2003/GTP/screenshots The cars are supposed to be lighter, faster, have more downforce, and handle better than the TPTCC cars. Should be a lot of fun. :-) Ginger has been beta testing the mod for awhile now. -- David G Fisher

> I really don't know what tracks to schedule because I don't know what > tracks and setups will be released with the mod. Shouldn't we schedule > tracks (at least the first one) that the mod will contain a setup for > so even if we go with open setups, at least the drivers will have a > base to work with? > > The following would be the tracks I'd have at the top of the list > right now, but maybe the mod will contain some nice ones too. Kyalami,

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> Road Atlanta, Mosport, Riverside PWF, LeMans, Suzuka, Silverstone, > Daytona RC. > > I posted a question at the GTP forum at RSC asking what tracks/setups > were being released with the mod, but never got an answer before the > forums went down last week. The only ones I know of for sure are > Suzuka and Spa, but I remember reading awhile back that there are > others. Only six more days. :-) > >

I guess you're right about the setup/track issue :) Maybe you can ask team redline directly : http://teamredline.co.uk/forums/viewforum.php?f=24 (never saw those nght shots before - that is looking AWESOME - lets schedule a night track :D ) cheers jurjen

I don't know exactly what I can sort... -Larry "JLe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver. > (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that) > > We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of > at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts > ratings. > > Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day. > We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following > week with GTP, if it is released of course. > > Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the > first 3 already ... ) > > cheers jurjen

Texas is NYD ? Are we skipping IRP ? Won't break my heart if we are :) -Larry "bluestringer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Uphxd.8622$[email hidden]...

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> > "JLe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver. >> (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that) >> >> We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of >> at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts >> ratings. >> >> Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day. >> We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following >> week with GTP, if it is released of course. >> >> Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the >> first 3 already ... ) >> >> cheers jurjen > > > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week. > > bluestringer > >

Will the TPTCC Cars be useable ? I rather like the job Jurjen did on converting mine, and don't want to lose it. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "bluestringer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7ykxd.8663$[email hidden]... >> >> "JLe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > >> > > >> > > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week. >> > > >> > > bluestringer >> > > >> > Oops yeah - forgot you weren't on TS (why is that btw?) >> > We decided so because the turnout for the truck races is >> > disappointingly low and we hope to get some more drivers for the >> > roadcourses. >> > >> > cheers jurjen >> > >> >> >> So what is this GTP, is it a mod for N2003? >> >> bluestringer > > > http://www.bhmotorsports.com/NR2003/GTP/screenshots > > The cars are supposed to be lighter, faster, have more downforce, and > handle > better than the TPTCC cars. Should be a lot of fun. :-) Ginger has been > beta > testing the mod for awhile now. > -- > David G Fisher > >

Rats, I was inflicted with DGF syndrome this week :) After the game crashing out on me 3 times, it was time to give up for the week. I just spend the last 14 hours rebuilding my system from scratch in efforts to fix it. I NEVER had these issues until the 4.11 Catalysts came out. The 4.12's just made it worse. In the past, I've always run three separate WinXP boots on my system. One for Home Use, one for Racing, and one for Work. All the VPN stuff has made my Work boot someone complex in the comms department, so I always like to keep it a separate boot. Plus I didn't want all the scanners and other peripheral drivers in the way of gaming performance. However, when I built this Athlon64 3500 system a few months ago, I decided to try a single boot with 3 separate profiles instead. I never really like how that worked out, so this time I want back to the 3 separate XP installs/boot. It's a shitload of work to get done, but it's done :) As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right. In-game _seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get that new Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3 different places you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come up. This is after a fresh reload of the system with 4.12's ! I give up. On the gaming boot I went back to 4.10's with the Standard Control Panel. I have my fingers crossed. The Catalyst 4.11's and 4.12's, for me, have been a major step backwards in reliability. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Congratulations to Cory and Neil. > > Track: Nashville Speedway > Date: 12/18/04 > > > Session: Practice > > P # DRIVER TIME > 1 11 DaveGF 19.928 > 2 7 Dick-Trickle 19.930 > 3 103 JurjenvanderLelij 19.952 > 4 6 Neil__C 19.998 > 5 98 LTB-Racer 20.074 > 6 42 bluestringer 20.117 > > > > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph > > > > Session: Qualifying > > P # DRIVER TIME > 1 7 Dick-Trickle 19.892 > 2 6 Neil__C 19.941 > 3 11 DaveGF 19.955 > 4 33 Coorzman 20.227 > 5 42 bluestringer 20.374 > 6 98 LTB-Racer 20.607 > 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -- > > > > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph > > > > Session: Happy Hour > > P # DRIVER TIME > > > > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph > > > > Session: Race > OFFICIAL STANDINGS > > F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS > 1 4 33 Coorzman 84.581 200 148* 185 Running > 2 2 6 Neil__C -0.22 200 38 175 Running > 3 3 11 DaveGF -1.39 200 0 165 Running > 4 1 7 Dick-Trickle -2.92 200 13 165 Running > 5 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -7.44 200 0 155 Running > 6 5 42 bluestringer -5L 195 1 155 Running > 7 6 98 LTB-Racer -165L 35 0 146 Disco > > > > Caution Flags: 5 (25 laps) > Lead Changes: 6 (4 drivers) > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph > Pitstop Frequency: 1x > > > PENALTIES > LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY > > > > >

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:39:08 -0500, Larry wrote:

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> > As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right. In-game > _seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get that new > Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3 different places > you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come up. This is after a > fresh reload of the system with 4.12's ! >

Hmm, is this control center really necessary? I upgraded to a used 9800PRO last week (had a geforce ti4800SE before), and it's running just fine without the control center stuff. Or am I missing something? All the options I could want are available from within desktop->properties->advanced (cat 4.12, xp pro SP2) cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Yes. Since turnout is low for these truck races, it looks like we are going to run Texas and then get the GTP races going a week early (assuming the mod is released on schedule). -- David G Fisher "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZhQxd.8188$jn.6419@lakeread06... > Texas is NYD ? Are we skipping IRP ? > > Won't break my heart if we are :) > > -Larry > > "bluestringer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Uphxd.8622$[email hidden]... > > > > "JLe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver. > >> (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that) > >> > >> We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of > >> at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts > >> ratings. > >> > >> Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day. > >> We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following > >> week with GTP, if it is released of course. > >> > >> Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the > >> first 3 already ... ) > >> > >> cheers jurjen > > > > > > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week. > > > > bluestringer > > > > > >

Are you getting a CLI error Larry? "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wqQxd.8192$jn.3980@lakeread06...

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> Rats, I was inflicted with DGF syndrome this week :) > > After the game crashing out on me 3 times, it was time to give up for the > week. > > I just spend the last 14 hours rebuilding my system from scratch in > efforts to fix it. > > I NEVER had these issues until the 4.11 Catalysts came out. The 4.12's > just made it worse. > > In the past, I've always run three separate WinXP boots on my system. One > for Home Use, one for Racing, and one for Work. All the VPN stuff has > made my Work boot someone complex in the comms department, so I always > like to keep it a separate boot. Plus I didn't want all the scanners and > other peripheral drivers in the way of gaming performance. > > However, when I built this Athlon64 3500 system a few months ago, I > decided to try a single boot with 3 separate profiles instead. I never > really like how that worked out, so this time I want back to the 3 > separate XP installs/boot. > > It's a shitload of work to get done, but it's done :) > > As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right. > In-game _seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get > that new Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3 > different places you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come up. > This is after a fresh reload of the system with 4.12's ! > > I give up. On the gaming boot I went back to 4.10's with the Standard > Control Panel. I have my fingers crossed. > > The Catalyst 4.11's and 4.12's, for me, have been a major step backwards > in reliability. > > -Larry > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Congratulations to Cory and Neil. >> >> Track: Nashville Speedway >> Date: 12/18/04 >> >> >> Session: Practice >> >> P # DRIVER TIME >> 1 11 DaveGF 19.928 >> 2 7 Dick-Trickle 19.930 >> 3 103 JurjenvanderLelij 19.952 >> 4 6 Neil__C 19.998 >> 5 98 LTB-Racer 20.074 >> 6 42 bluestringer 20.117 >> >> >> >> Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph >> >> >> >> Session: Qualifying >> >> P # DRIVER TIME >> 1 7 Dick-Trickle 19.892 >> 2 6 Neil__C 19.941 >> 3 11 DaveGF 19.955 >> 4 33 Coorzman 20.227 >> 5 42 bluestringer 20.374 >> 6 98 LTB-Racer 20.607 >> 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -- >> >> >> >> Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph >> >> >> >> Session: Happy Hour >> >> P # DRIVER TIME >> >> >> >> Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph >> >> >> >> Session: Race >> OFFICIAL STANDINGS >> >> F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS >> 1 4 33 Coorzman 84.581 200 148* 185 Running >> 2 2 6 Neil__C -0.22 200 38 175 Running >> 3 3 11 DaveGF -1.39 200 0 165 Running >> 4 1 7 Dick-Trickle -2.92 200 13 165 Running >> 5 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -7.44 200 0 155 Running >> 6 5 42 bluestringer -5L 195 1 155 Running >> 7 6 98 LTB-Racer -165L 35 0 146 Disco >> >> >> >> Caution Flags: 5 (25 laps) >> Lead Changes: 6 (4 drivers) >> Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph >> Pitstop Frequency: 1x >> >> >> PENALTIES >> LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY >> >> >> >> >> > >

"JLe" wrote... > Get well soon & hope you succeed in getting a new wheel. Thanks guys, progress so far... Scrutineering report: pass. Steering column is adequately repaired. Medical report: fail. Driver is up and about, but still fails to negotiate his way out of a paper bag more often than usual. :-) Jan. =---

Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control panel of each driver so far. I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel version would cease at some point. I sure hope not. I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses me to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :) Gotta love today's 'tight' programming! -Larry "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:39:08 -0500, Larry wrote: >> >> As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right. >> In-game >> _seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get that >> new >> Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3 different places >> you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come up. This is after >> a >> fresh reload of the system with 4.12's ! >> > > Hmm, is this control center really necessary? I upgraded to a used > 9800PRO last week (had a geforce ti4800SE before), and it's running > just fine without the control center stuff. Or am I missing something? > All the options I could want are available from within > desktop->properties->advanced (cat 4.12, xp pro SP2) > > cheers, > > uwe > > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Sounds good to me! -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yes. Since turnout is low for these truck races, it looks like we are > going > to run Texas and then get the GTP races going a week early (assuming the > mod > is released on schedule). > > > -- > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZhQxd.8188$jn.6419@lakeread06... >> Texas is NYD ? Are we skipping IRP ? >> >> Won't break my heart if we are :) >> >> -Larry >> >> "bluestringer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Uphxd.8622$[email hidden]... >> > >> > "JLe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver. >> >> (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that) >> >> >> >> We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of >> >> at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts >> >> ratings. >> >> >> >> Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day. >> >> We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following >> >> week with GTP, if it is released of course. >> >> >> >> Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the >> >> first 3 already ... ) >> >> >> >> cheers jurjen >> > >> > >> > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week. >> > >> > bluestringer >> > >> > >> >> > >

I don't recall what it was. I do know it was Video related because one time when I got to the desktop there was a request to send a report to ATI. After the system rebuild, I ran about 2 hours online last night. So far so good! That's after I got rid of the 4.12's and put the 4.10's with the control panel back on. I don't know if the 4.12's would have been ok because I was never able to get the damned Catalyst Control Center to come up! The cursor would spin for about 4 seconds, then go back to normal with no launch. Since my problems started with the 4.11's, I decided to just go back to 4.10's with the control panel (on my racing boot), and be done with it. It works fine, and I'm not touching it again. Just for giggles I also replaced the stock Antec 380w supply that came with the Sonata case with a Neo 480 (one hell of a Power Supply). Probably didn't need it, but with an Athlon 3500, Radeon 9800 Pro, two Sony DRU-710A DVD Burners and two Seagare 160GB Sata Drives, as well as a Gig of RAM, I thought I might be pushing it with a 380 watt supply. I really dig the 120mm Fan design in this case (and the new Neo 480 uses a 120mm fan as well). It's damned near silent while pushing a ton of air at the same time. There are 3 120mm fans including the one in the supply. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j3Yxd.909$[email hidden]...

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> Are you getting a CLI error Larry? > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wqQxd.8192$jn.3980@lakeread06... >> Rats, I was inflicted with DGF syndrome this week :) >> >> After the game crashing out on me 3 times, it was time to give up for the >> week. >> >> I just spend the last 14 hours rebuilding my system from scratch in >> efforts to fix it. >> >> I NEVER had these issues until the 4.11 Catalysts came out. The 4.12's >> just made it worse. >> >> In the past, I've always run three separate WinXP boots on my system. >> One for Home Use, one for Racing, and one for Work. All the VPN stuff >> has made my Work boot someone complex in the comms department, so I >> always like to keep it a separate boot. Plus I didn't want all the >> scanners and other peripheral drivers in the way of gaming performance. >> >> However, when I built this Athlon64 3500 system a few months ago, I >> decided to try a single boot with 3 separate profiles instead. I never >> really like how that worked out, so this time I want back to the 3 >> separate XP installs/boot. >> >> It's a shitload of work to get done, but it's done :) >> >> As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right. >> In-game _seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get >> that new Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3 >> different places you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come >> up. This is after a fresh reload of the system with 4.12's ! >> >> I give up. On the gaming boot I went back to 4.10's with the Standard >> Control Panel. I have my fingers crossed. >> >> The Catalyst 4.11's and 4.12's, for me, have been a major step backwards >> in reliability. >> >> -Larry >> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> Congratulations to Cory and Neil. >>> >>> Track: Nashville Speedway >>> Date: 12/18/04 >>> >>> >>> Session: Practice >>> >>> P # DRIVER TIME >>> 1 11 DaveGF 19.928 >>> 2 7 Dick-Trickle 19.930 >>> 3 103 JurjenvanderLelij 19.952 >>> 4 6 Neil__C 19.998 >>> 5 98 LTB-Racer 20.074 >>> 6 42 bluestringer 20.117 >>> >>> >>> >>> Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph >>> >>> >>> >>> Session: Qualifying >>> >>> P # DRIVER TIME >>> 1 7 Dick-Trickle 19.892 >>> 2 6 Neil__C 19.941 >>> 3 11 DaveGF 19.955 >>> 4 33 Coorzman 20.227 >>> 5 42 bluestringer 20.374 >>> 6 98 LTB-Racer 20.607 >>> 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph >>> >>> >>> >>> Session: Happy Hour >>> >>> P # DRIVER TIME >>> >>> >>> >>> Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph >>> >>> >>> >>> Session: Race >>> OFFICIAL STANDINGS >>> >>> F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS >>> 1 4 33 Coorzman 84.581 200 148* 185 Running >>> 2 2 6 Neil__C -0.22 200 38 175 Running >>> 3 3 11 DaveGF -1.39 200 0 165 Running >>> 4 1 7 Dick-Trickle -2.92 200 13 165 Running >>> 5 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -7.44 200 0 155 Running >>> 6 5 42 bluestringer -5L 195 1 155 Running >>> 7 6 98 LTB-Racer -165L 35 0 146 Disco >>> >>> >>> >>> Caution Flags: 5 (25 laps) >>> Lead Changes: 6 (4 drivers) >>> Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph >>> Pitstop Frequency: 1x >>> >>> >>> PENALTIES >>> LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:36:00 -0500, Larry wrote:

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> Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control > panel of each driver so far. > > I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel > version would cease at some point. I sure hope not. > > I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses me > to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :) > > Gotta love today's 'tight' programming! >

;-) Apparently it's "integrated" in XP, but of course you're right, such a mega-download for a graphics driver is ridiculous. Cheers & happy holidays, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:36:00 -0500, Larry wrote: >> Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control >> panel of each driver so far. >> >> I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel >> version would cease at some point. I sure hope not. >> >> I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses >> me to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :) >> >> Gotta love today's 'tight' programming! >> > > ;-) Apparently it's "integrated" in XP, but of course you're right, > such a mega-download for a graphics driver is ridiculous. > > Cheers & happy holidays, > > uwe >

Its such a non-isssue. I dont understand this complaint over and over Larry. .Net is nothing more than an evolution of VB and C++. Didnt you at some point have to install runtimes for VB? If it comes with Windows then its OK but if you have to add it its not? You can always go back to DOS cant you? I mean really all your complaining about is forward progress. Larry, how you ever got past a Black and White Zentith TV is beyond me and that you work in this industry your tude is even more surprising :) This industry is still in its infancy and I expect and want many changes before I kick. Mitch

Actually, .Net is still an add-on for XP. It was released after XP shipped. As for the problems with the Catalyst Control Center, I'm beginning to suspect it has been broken by a recent 'security fix' released for the .Net runtime. Can't prove it, but I think that's where the issues are coming from. -Larry "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:36:00 -0500, Larry wrote: >> Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control >> panel of each driver so far. >> >> I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel >> version would cease at some point. I sure hope not. >> >> I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses >> me >> to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :) >> >> Gotta love today's 'tight' programming! >> > > ;-) Apparently it's "integrated" in XP, but of course you're right, > such a mega-download for a graphics driver is ridiculous. > > Cheers & happy holidays, > > uwe > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

As I've said over and over Mitch, but you fail to hear, I am hardly against change. I AM against change for the sake of change, and when that change provides no tangible benifit. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:E8Dyd.2135$[email hidden]...

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> Uwe Sch�rkamp wrote: > >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:36:00 -0500, Larry wrote: >>> Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control >>> panel of each driver so far. >>> >>> I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel >>> version would cease at some point. I sure hope not. >>> >>> I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses >>> me to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :) >>> >>> Gotta love today's 'tight' programming! >>> >> >> ;-) Apparently it's "integrated" in XP, but of course you're right, >> such a mega-download for a graphics driver is ridiculous. >> >> Cheers & happy holidays, >> >> uwe >> > > Its such a non-isssue. I dont understand this complaint over and over > Larry. > > .Net is nothing more than an evolution of VB and C++. Didnt you at some > point have to install runtimes for VB? If it comes with Windows then its > OK but if you have to add it its not? > > You can always go back to DOS cant you? I mean really all your > complaining > about is forward progress. > > Larry, how you ever got past a Black and White Zentith TV is beyond me and > that you work in this industry your tude is even more surprising :) > > This industry is still in its infancy and I expect and want many changes > before I kick. > > > Mitch

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> Actually, .Net is still an add-on for XP. It was released after XP shipped. > > As for the problems with the Catalyst Control Center, I'm beginning to > suspect it has been broken by a recent 'security fix' released for the .Net > runtime. Can't prove it, but I think that's where the issues are coming > from. > > -Larry >

Are you sure you have the .Net 1.1 fix Larry? I dont think it comes down on the windows update and the ATI CC is funky without it. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=262d25e3-f589-4842-8157-034d1e7cf3a3&displaylang=en Mitch

I _thought_ I did. I'll check it out. My Work and General boots still have the 4.12's with Control Center so I have a way to check. Windows Update does bring down a security update. I thought this was the latest. Maybe not! Thanks! -Larry "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e7Kyd.1881$[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: >> Actually, .Net is still an add-on for XP. It was released after XP >> shipped. >> >> As for the problems with the Catalyst Control Center, I'm beginning to >> suspect it has been broken by a recent 'security fix' released for the >> .Net runtime. Can't prove it, but I think that's where the issues are >> coming from. >> >> -Larry >> > > > Are you sure you have the .Net 1.1 fix Larry? I dont think it comes > down on the windows update and the ATI CC is funky without it. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=262d25e3-f589-4842-8157-034d1e7cf3a3&displaylang=en > > Mitch >

Now that I see this, I'm pretty sure this is what I installed. If you install this, and then go to Windows Update, there is another patch that shows up. It doesn't show up until you install this though. -Larry "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e7Kyd.1881$[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: >> Actually, .Net is still an add-on for XP. It was released after XP >> shipped. >> >> As for the problems with the Catalyst Control Center, I'm beginning to >> suspect it has been broken by a recent 'security fix' released for the >> .Net runtime. Can't prove it, but I think that's where the issues are >> coming from. >> >> -Larry >> > > > Are you sure you have the .Net 1.1 fix Larry? I dont think it comes > down on the windows update and the ATI CC is funky without it. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=262d25e3-f589-4842-8157-034d1e7cf3a3&displaylang=en > > Mitch >