USPits gone forever...

Quoted from their website forum: "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be reposted. But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and toys for a much different mod... Cheers! _________________ »» jan kohl «« "

On 2 Jan 2005 13:00:33 -0800, "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Quoted from their website forum: > >"After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. >Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were >going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the >tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. > >Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, >bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like >to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and >crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We >get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. > >For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing >community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. >However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will >not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go >home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back >online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods >back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be >reposted. > >But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few >things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but >that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a >very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and >toys for a much different mod... >Cheers!

That is a terrible terrible shame. If there was some way to send some funding their way, I'd do it, but it's too late I suppose. Too bad there are some people who when they don't get things exactly their way, whine and bitch and write inflammatory posts, and they now have ended up ruining it all for the rest of us. With RSC in limbo the race sim community looks to be flying apart at the seams, fracturing into a multitude of small web sites and BBSes, which will just make it harder for people to find info or just hang out. I can only hope someone comes forward to fill this huge void. John DiFool

The real baby is Jan what a pussy who is scared to face the realities of life

The real baby is Jan what a *** who is scared to face the realities of life

"Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Quoted from their website forum: "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be reposted. But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and toys for a much different mod... Cheers! _________________ �� jan kohl �� " That is bad news. What was all the bitching about ?

That was the last decent place to get sim news, mods, tracks, and other important stuff for NR2K3. Hey Jan, if you're reading this, I noticed I had a new PM, but I can't read it because you disbaled PMs. :) Send me an email if you're up for it.

"Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Quoted from their website forum: But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and toys for a much different mod... Cheers! _________________ �� jan kohl �� " From this, and what I've read elsewhere, I believe they are going to move to rFactor. Can anyone confirm this? -- David G Fisher

"Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Quoted from their website forum: "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. (snip) _________________ �� jan kohl �� " Sigh. Such a shame really though I can easily understand their action. Why put up with all the crap from the mouthier parts of the community when you're not getting paid to do so. Hopefully all the complainers will rush right in with their websites (hah!) to take up the load A big old thank you to all the PitPersons David

buster <[email hidden]> wrote in news:r0_Bd.27837$6V1.18601 @bignews3.bellsouth.net: > The real baby is Jan what a pussy who is scared to face the realities of > life Buster, since you are standing behind your real name, I respect your proclomation. You sir, the well known buster, have contributed time money expertise in great gobs. and surely you have given more to the sim community than Jan and his family and friends. Surely you MUST HAVE... I'd like to thank you buster. Yes I'd like to thank you for making the first PLONK of 2005 such a simple decision. Goodbye. Dave Henrie (note the caps)

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > From this, and what I've read elsewhere, I believe they are going to > move to rFactor. Can anyone confirm this? > -- Rfactor or First....and where did PWF finally land? dh

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> Quoted from their website forum: > > "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally > had enough. <snip> > Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, > complaining, bashing, and so on. We work for free here. > We do this because we like to. We want to enjoy editing > and racing, and when ingrates and crybabies start their > incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We get to > where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job.

Excuse me for being dense, but if you own the website, the mods and the forum, why do you put up with whining and bitching in the first place? -If I had a site like that, things would be run as I saw fit and that would be that. And, should one come to a point where one's exhausted reasonable argument and the other party simply doesn't want to give it a rest, one simply bans him/her from the forum. Just about the only advantage of forums over usenet I can think of. I hardly ever used "The Pits" (basically just to get the PWF stuff after they folded), so I'm not being put out by this situation, but I'm dissapointed Jan & Co didn't crush these bad apples instead of folding. Jan. =---

>With RSC in limbo the > race sim community looks to be flying apart at the seams, Well, the error msg implies they will be up as soon as they can. Did they suffer a catastrophic data loss or what? rms

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b8%Bd.18029$[email hidden]...

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> "Darus" wrote... > > Quoted from their website forum: > > > > "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally > > had enough. <snip> > > > Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, > > complaining, bashing, and so on. We work for free here. > > We do this because we like to. We want to enjoy editing > > and racing, and when ingrates and crybabies start their > > incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We get to > > where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. > > Excuse me for being dense, but if you own the website, the mods and the > forum, why do you put up with whining and bitching in the first place? -If

I > had a site like that, things would be run as I saw fit and that would be > that. And, should one come to a point where one's exhausted reasonable > argument and the other party simply doesn't want to give it a rest, one > simply bans him/her from the forum. Just about the only advantage offorums > over usenet I can think of. > Sounds to me like someone needed a holiday and probably should have taken one first, re-assessed the situation and made a decision then. The U.S. Pits has been around ever since I began simming back in 1996/97 and it's a real shame if it ceases to be completely. Hopefully Jan and co will indeed have a break now and come back with new enthusiasm that will outweigh their present focus on the negative. Maybe they should go commercial? > I hardly ever used "The Pits" (basically just to get the PWF stuff after > they folded), so I'm not being put out by this situation, but I'm > dissapointed Jan & Co didn't crush these bad apples instead of folding. > I'd like a bit more info on exactly what issues are being spoken of here. I doubt it's particularly relevent though. Like I said, sounds like someone needs a good break! :)

One of the problems Jan was people posting stuff, without permission, on their own websites and there's not much Jan, Goy, and company can do. But when they mention it they get bitched out because of the "When you post something on the internet it becomes public domain." bullshit and then attempting to make the Pits look like the bad guys. I can't say that I blame them and I'm glad they're going to slowly restore the N2003 stuff but there's a truckload of useful things on the site. Having used their site from pretty much the day after I got the internet and doing a search for N1 files I can honestly say I'm going to miss them greatly and I also wish them luck in their re-incarnation. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b8%Bd.18029$[email hidden]...

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> "Darus" wrote... >> Quoted from their website forum: >> >> "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally >> had enough. <snip> > >> Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, >> complaining, bashing, and so on. We work for free here. >> We do this because we like to. We want to enjoy editing >> and racing, and when ingrates and crybabies start their >> incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We get to >> where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. > > Excuse me for being dense, but if you own the website, the mods and the > forum, why do you put up with whining and bitching in the first place? -If > I had a site like that, things would be run as I saw fit and that would be > that. And, should one come to a point where one's exhausted reasonable > argument and the other party simply doesn't want to give it a rest, one > simply bans him/her from the forum. Just about the only advantage of > forums over usenet I can think of. > > I hardly ever used "The Pits" (basically just to get the PWF stuff after > they folded), so I'm not being put out by this situation, but I'm > dissapointed Jan & Co didn't crush these bad apples instead of folding. > > Jan. > =--- > >

I sent Jan an email prior to his forum posting offering to host the files (not sure how my ISP would feel about it but screw 'em <g>). But you're right John. The Pits was always the go to place. If they didn't have it they had a link to whoever did. Mike Horton GSCL League Admin http://gscl.cta-racing.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> That was the last decent place to get sim news, mods, tracks, and other > important stuff for NR2K3. > > Hey Jan, if you're reading this, I noticed I had a new PM, but I can't > read it because you disbaled PMs. :) > > Send me an email if you're up for it.

John DiFool wrote: > I can only hope someone comes forward to fill this huge > void. > > John DiFool Well life goes on. All we can do now is thank the Pits for all the contributions they have made over the years and wish them the best of luck. Thanks fellas! BTW John I never did recieve an email about that momo part. Mitch -- KNode enabled _____

On 2 Jan 2005 13:00:33 -0800, "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Quoted from their website forum: > >"After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. >Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were >going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the >tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. This is so sad to see....a great community and great website is now gone, and the people to blame are the idiots within our own community. It was ashame, and the days were being counted on the wall, when people posted and said, "Hey, I'm building a new mod, don't have a release date, it is just in the works." Immediately following this post in the USPITS and else where would be posts similiar to this, "Cool man, when will it be released?" These posts would pile up for weeks and months, and the people actually making the mod's would get disgusted, can you blame them? Jan, and everyone else, I for one hate to see you go, your site had more resources by far than any other, but we have only the idiots in our community to blame, and frankly Jan, I can't blame. I do believe you deserve the biggest pat on the back though, for keeping up with the site all these years, and providing us with more resources than we could ever wish for! We in this community just need to have more patience, and learn to wait, because as most have figured out, it is well worth it.

100% agree.. Been there done that.. about 6 years at the IVGA and all the crap from thankless people. I dont blame you Jan you lasted 5 more years that I.. you are a great sim person.. Don Wilshe "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Quoted from their website forum: "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be reposted. But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and toys for a much different mod... Cheers! _________________ �� jan kohl �� "

Jan: How much you figure your time as to do this for these people. I know you have invested well over $100,000. Don Ill miss your service... "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Quoted from their website forum: "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be reposted. But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and toys for a much different mod... Cheers! _________________ �� jan kohl �� "

Geez! What a shame. That's where I got everything when I started in GPL. They were the guys who treated my little repaints as real add-ons. Thanks, guys, for everything and best of luck. You'll be missed. J. P. Hovercraft --------------- Darus wrote:

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> Quoted from their website forum: > > "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. > Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were > going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the > tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. > > Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, > bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like > to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and > crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We > get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. > > For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing > community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. > However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will > not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go > home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back > online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods > back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be > reposted. > > But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few > things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but > that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a > very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and > toys for a much different mod... > Cheers! > _________________ > �� jan kohl �� "

"Geez! What a shame. That's where I got everything when I started in GPL. They were the guys who treated my little repaints as real add-ons. Thanks, guys, for everything and best of luck. You'll be missed" I agree thanks for being a pillar of the community. Having said that, I look forward to the forums and sites that respond to the new breed of sims. Long Live GPL! Now let's move on. "J. P. Hovercraft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Geez! What a shame. That's where I got everything when I started in GPL. > They were the guys who treated my little repaints as real add-ons. Thanks, > guys, for everything and best of luck. You'll be missed. > > J. P. Hovercraft > > --------------- > > Darus wrote: > >> Quoted from their website forum: >> >> "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. >> Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were >> going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the >> tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. >> >> Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, >> bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like >> to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and >> crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We >> get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. >> >> For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing >> community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. >> However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will >> not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go >> home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back >> online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods >> back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be >> reposted. >> >> But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few >> things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but >> that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a >> very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and >> toys for a much different mod... >> Cheers! >> _________________ >> �� jan kohl �� " >

>"Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote <snip> Yikes Jan. Well, websites can't last forever, it's a shame that all the script kiddies and other lamers of the net have pushed you that far. Just shutting down the Forums would have been enough, no? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:16:43 GMT, "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote something like: >>With RSC in limbo the >> race sim community looks to be flying apart at the seams, > > Well, the error msg implies they will be up as soon as they can. Did >they suffer a catastrophic data loss or what? They certainly suffered a catastrophic something... the message has been the same for weeks. -- - Jussi Koukku -

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:00:33 -0800, Darus wrote: <snip> I can't belive it! I have been using the Pits since my first 2.4 modem on my first PC! You will be missed, Do a search on google for anything race sim and all the links are through the pits. Thankyou for your sevice.. Scott Green Flag Racing www.green-flag.com

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:52:14 GMT, Scott Rixon wrote: > > Thankyou for your sevice.. > Same here, the pits were a great site. What strikes me as odd though is that seemingly they did not look into some new volunteers willing to take over and maintain the site, and just pulled the plug like that instead. Burn-out is a common syndrome in webmasters esp. after over nine years, but why not allow some highly motivated newcomers a head start by passing on what you've created, if you don't care about it enough anymore? Just a thought. All the best, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Of course Don, it had nothing to do with you and Huggins being a couple of hacks and cheats that your sham didn't last..lol "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:S53Cd.172145$[email hidden]...

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> 100% agree.. Been there done that.. about 6 years at the IVGA and > all the crap from thankless people. I dont blame you Jan you lasted > 5 more years that I.. you are a great sim person.. > > Don Wilshe > > > "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > Quoted from their website forum: > > "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. > Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were > going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the > tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. > > Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, > bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like > to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and > crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We > get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. > > For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing > community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. > However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will > not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go > home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back > online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods > back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be > reposted. > > But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few > things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but > that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a > very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and > toys for a much different mod... > Cheers! > _________________ > �� jan kohl �� " > >

buster wrote: > The real baby is Jan what a pussy who is scared to face the realities of > life All at once I understand why the Pits shut down. Don McCorkle

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> buster wrote: > >> The real baby is Jan what a pussy who is scared to face the realities >> of life > > > > All at once I understand why the Pits shut down. > > > Don McCorkle

Bingo! That one little post by buster explains it all. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League oAo AoA MARA TransAm GT Rank +57.022 GT Rank Monster 1469.472 GPL Rank + 14.768 MoGPL Rank + 308.654 N2003 Rank -18.8060 ---------------- Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

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> > On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:52:14 GMT, Scott Rixon wrote: > > > > Thankyou for your sevice.. > > > > Same here, the pits were a great site. What strikes me as odd though > is that seemingly they did not look into some new volunteers willing > to take over and maintain the site, and just pulled the plug like that > instead. > > Burn-out is a common syndrome in webmasters esp. after over nine > years, but why not allow some highly motivated newcomers a head start > by passing on what you've created, if you don't care about it enough > anymore? Just a thought.

Just a quick note.....we do care about the people who have used us as a resource over the years, Jan did a complete backup of the site before it was deleted, including the archive site, nothing has been lost permanently so there's no need to rush out and grab whatever you can from various other sites, same goes for the info that was in the editing sections of our forums All of this will most likely be made available through various other sites once the dust has settled, AFAIK several people have already stepped forward, the editing forums will most likely be brought back in read only mode once we've cleaned them up a little Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Goy Larsen wrote: > > Just a quick note Thanks so much USPITS & crew for providing such a great site and resource for NR2003 especially. I don't blame you for pulling out after what I've read. Its a shame. Anyway, if anyone has a good link to the aerowar88 mod I'd appreciate it if you post it here. I did a complete reinstall and can't find my backup disks. NC_Creeper

NC_Creeper wrote: > Anyway, if anyone has a good link > to the aerowar88 mod I'd appreciate it if you post it here. I did a > complete reinstall and can't find my backup disks. As Goy alluded to, they will be uploading their mods (A88, TPTCC, Ferarri 330, etc.) again in the near future along other select files. -jde

http://aerowar88.net/mods.html "NC_Creeper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > Just a quick note > > Thanks so much USPITS & crew for providing such a great site and > resource for NR2003 especially. I don't blame you for pulling out > after what I've read. Its a shame. Anyway, if anyone has a good link > to the aerowar88 mod I'd appreciate it if you post it here. I did a > complete reinstall and can't find my backup disks. > > NC_Creeper >

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:48:56 +0100, Goy Larsen wrote: > > All of this will most likely be made available through various other > sites once the dust has settled, AFAIK several people have already > stepped forward, the editing forums will most likely be brought back in > read only mode once we've cleaned them up a little That's good news indeed, Goy. All the best & thanks again for all that you've done for the simracing community. cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Lol, no kidding. How is Mr. Huggins these days Don ? "CookieMontster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DK9Cd.3974$[email hidden]...

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> Of course Don, it had nothing to do with you and Huggins being a couple of > hacks and cheats that your sham didn't last..lol > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:S53Cd.172145$[email hidden]... > > 100% agree.. Been there done that.. about 6 years at the IVGA and > > all the crap from thankless people. I dont blame you Jan you lasted > > 5 more years that I.. you are a great sim person.. > > > > Don Wilshe > > > > > > "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > Quoted from their website forum: > > > > "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. > > Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were > > going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the > > tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. > > > > Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, > > bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like > > to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and > > crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We > > get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. > > > > For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing > > community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. > > However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will > > not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go > > home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back > > online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods > > back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be > > reposted. > > > > But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few > > things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but > > that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a > > very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and > > toys for a much different mod... > > Cheers! > > _________________ > > �� jan kohl �� " > > > > > >

JP.. your the perfect example of why we dont have theuspits.. nameless coward that flames everything.. Don "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WxkCd.551$[email hidden]...

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> Lol, no kidding. How is Mr. Huggins these days Don ? > > > "CookieMontster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DK9Cd.3974$[email hidden]... >> Of course Don, it had nothing to do with you and Huggins being a couple >> of >> hacks and cheats that your sham didn't last..lol >> >> "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:S53Cd.172145$[email hidden]... >> > 100% agree.. Been there done that.. about 6 years at the IVGA and >> > all the crap from thankless people. I dont blame you Jan you lasted >> > 5 more years that I.. you are a great sim person.. >> > >> > Don Wilshe >> > >> > >> > "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> > Quoted from their website forum: >> > >> > "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. >> > Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were >> > going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the >> > tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. >> > >> > Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, >> > bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like >> > to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and >> > crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We >> > get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. >> > >> > For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing >> > community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. >> > However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will >> > not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go >> > home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back >> > online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods >> > back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be >> > reposted. >> > >> > But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few >> > things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but >> > that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a >> > very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and >> > toys for a much different mod... >> > Cheers! >> > _________________ >> > �� jan kohl �� " >> > >> > >> >> > >

You and JP.. two of kind dw "CookieMontster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DK9Cd.3974$[email hidden]...

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> Of course Don, it had nothing to do with you and Huggins being a couple of > hacks and cheats that your sham didn't last..lol > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:S53Cd.172145$[email hidden]... >> 100% agree.. Been there done that.. about 6 years at the IVGA and >> all the crap from thankless people. I dont blame you Jan you lasted >> 5 more years that I.. you are a great sim person.. >> >> Don Wilshe >> >> >> "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> Quoted from their website forum: >> >> "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. >> Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were >> going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the >> tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. >> >> Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, >> bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like >> to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and >> crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We >> get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. >> >> For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing >> community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. >> However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will >> not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go >> home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back >> online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods >> back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be >> reposted. >> >> But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few >> things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but >> that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a >> very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and >> toys for a much different mod... >> Cheers! >> _________________ >> �� jan kohl �� " >> >> > >

Lol, better than being a cheat and hacker though, eh ? You want to talk about "harm(but a champion bullshitter) to the community", look in a mirror next time. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iYmCd.214167$[email hidden]...

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> JP.. > > your the perfect example of why we dont have theuspits.. > > nameless coward that flames everything.. > > Don > > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WxkCd.551$[email hidden]... > > Lol, no kidding. How is Mr. Huggins these days Don ? > > > > > > "CookieMontster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:DK9Cd.3974$[email hidden]... > >> Of course Don, it had nothing to do with you and Huggins being a couple > >> of > >> hacks and cheats that your sham didn't last..lol > >> > >> "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:S53Cd.172145$[email hidden]... > >> > 100% agree.. Been there done that.. about 6 years at the IVGA and > >> > all the crap from thankless people. I dont blame you Jan you lasted > >> > 5 more years that I.. you are a great sim person.. > >> > > >> > Don Wilshe > >> > > >> > > >> > "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> > news:[email hidden]... > >> > Quoted from their website forum: > >> > > >> > "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. > >> > Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we

were > >> > going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the > >> > tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever.Period.

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> >> > > >> > Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, > >> > bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like > >> > to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and > >> > crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We > >> > get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. > >> > > >> > For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing > >> > community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. > >> > However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will > >> > not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go > >> > home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back > >> > online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods > >> > back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be > >> > reposted. > >> > > >> > But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few > >> > things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted,

but > >> > that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will bea > >> > very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with toolsand

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> >> > toys for a much different mod... > >> > Cheers! > >> > _________________ > >> > �� jan kohl �� " > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >

Yep, funny how history has a way of catching up to one, eh ? "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ZmCd.175996$[email hidden]...

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> You and JP.. > > two of kind > > dw > > > > > "CookieMontster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DK9Cd.3974$[email hidden]... > > Of course Don, it had nothing to do with you and Huggins being a couple

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> > hacks and cheats that your sham didn't last..lol > > > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:S53Cd.172145$[email hidden]... > >> 100% agree.. Been there done that.. about 6 years at the IVGA and > >> all the crap from thankless people. I dont blame you Jan you lasted > >> 5 more years that I.. you are a great sim person.. > >> > >> Don Wilshe > >> > >> > >> "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:[email hidden]... > >> Quoted from their website forum: > >> > >> "After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. > >> Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were > >> going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the > >> tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. > >> > >> Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, > >> bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like > >> to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and > >> crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We > >> get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. > >> > >> For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing > >> community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. > >> However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will > >> not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go > >> home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back > >> online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods > >> back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be > >> reposted. > >> > >> But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few > >> things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but > >> that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a > >> very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and > >> toys for a much different mod... > >> Cheers! > >> _________________ > >> �� jan kohl �� " > >> > >> > > > > > >

I've also got the AeroWar mod on our league site (along with the other mods as a mirror for the Pits). I emailed Jan on Saturday or Sunday to let him know I put the files there (we had a race using the mod last night). You can find it under Mod Files at http://gscl.cta-racing.com. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jQgCd.116441$[email hidden]...

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> http://aerowar88.net/mods.html > > "NC_Creeper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> Goy Larsen wrote: >> > >> > Just a quick note >> >> Thanks so much USPITS & crew for providing such a great site and >> resource for NR2003 especially. I don't blame you for pulling out >> after what I've read. Its a shame. Anyway, if anyone has a good link >> to the aerowar88 mod I'd appreciate it if you post it here. I did a >> complete reinstall and can't find my backup disks. >> >> NC_Creeper >> > >

Thanks for the link Michael. As for theuspits.com, I do have a suggestion. Since most of the bad blood that exists comes in the form of people overusing their right to free speech on the forums, why not re-invent the site without the forums on it? Just my 2 cents. Its one of the best Nascar Racing simulation sites there ever was. Michael Horton wrote: > I've also got the AeroWar mod on our league site (along with theother mods > as a mirror for the Pits). I emailed Jan on Saturday or Sunday to lethim > know I put the files there (we had a race using the mod last night).You can > find it under Mod Files at http://gscl.cta-racing.com.

> As for theuspits.com, I do have a suggestion. Since most of the bad > blood that exists comes in the form of people overusing their right to > free speech on the forums, why not re-invent the site without the > forums on it? Just my 2 cents. Its one of the best Nascar Racing > simulation sites there ever was. >Seems like a good idea. Anyway, people often overlook the fact that they have no "right" to free speech on privately run web forums...

So sorry to see you guys go. Your service was greatly appreciated here. I typically checked USPits daily, like reading the daily news. Best wishes, always! BD On 2 Jan 2005 13:00:33 -0800, "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Quoted from their website forum: > >"After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough. >Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were >going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the >tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period. > >Why? We finally grew too tired of the bitching, whining, complaining, >bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like >to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and >crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We >get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job. > >For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing >community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action. >However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will >not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go >home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back >online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods >back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be >reposted. > >But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few >things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but >that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a >very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and >toys for a much different mod... >Cheers! >_________________ >�� jan kohl �� "

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> Thanks for the link Michael. > > As for theuspits.com, I do have a suggestion. Since most of the bad > blood that exists comes in the form of people overusing their right to > free speech on the forums, why not re-invent the site without the > forums on it? Just my 2 cents. Its one of the best Nascar Racing > simulation sites there ever was. >

Or get rid of the glass jaw! A site like the US pits needs a forum. And the way to run a forum is this - if a thread breaks down to insults and/or bad language only, then shut it and maybe a few bannings in extreme cases. Protecting emotional little 5 year olds that have something said that upsets them a bit is pathetic. I was involved in something like this on those forums a few weeks ago and Jan had a bit of an emotional outburst - the thread was closed the next day. I remember thinking then that someone needs a holiday. If you can't say what you think on a forum then that forum is worthless. Many the moderator expects niceness to win out over honesty and will tolerate nothing else - that's a forum I have no interest in. Thank fuck for ras - LOL. Long live ras!

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> > As for theuspits.com, I do have a suggestion. Since most of the bad > > blood that exists comes in the form of people overusing their right to > > free speech on the forums, why not re-invent the site without the > > forums on it? Just my 2 cents. Its one of the best Nascar Racing > > simulation sites there ever was. > > > Seems like a good idea. Anyway, people often overlook the fact that they > have no "right" to free speech on privately run web forums... > >

Oh yeah, so what do they have a right to then? Sucking up to the moderator and being a clone of an old woman? Talking shit? Sounds like you'd give the moderator a headjob! LOL. Wake up pal! Like Jack Nicholsen says - "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" And if you cant - DONT RUN A FORUM! FFS.

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> > Or get rid of the glass jaw! A site like the US pits needs a forum. And >the way to run a forum is this - if a thread breaks down to insults and/or >bad language only, then shut it and maybe a few bannings in extreme cases. >Protecting emotional little 5 year olds that have something said that upsets >them a bit is pathetic. I was involved in something like this on those >forums a few weeks ago and Jan had a bit of an emotional outburst - the >thread was closed the next day. I remember thinking then that someone needs >a holiday. If you can't say what you think on a forum then that forum is >worthless. Many the moderator expects niceness to win out over honesty and >will tolerate nothing else - that's a forum I have no interest in. > > Thank fuck for ras - LOL. Long live ras! >

Thus the reason The Pits is no longer.......idiots like you. Plonk.

"Rusty Unger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Or get rid of the glass jaw! A site like the US pits needs a forum.And > >the way to run a forum is this - if a thread breaks down to insultsand/or > >bad language only, then shut it and maybe a few bannings in extremecases. > >Protecting emotional little 5 year olds that have something said thatupsets > >them a bit is pathetic. I was involved in something like this on those > >forums a few weeks ago and Jan had a bit of an emotional outburst - the > >thread was closed the next day. I remember thinking then that someoneneeds > >a holiday. If you can't say what you think on a forum then that forum is > >worthless. Many the moderator expects niceness to win out over honestyand > >will tolerate nothing else - that's a forum I have no interest in. > > > > Thank fuck for ras - LOL. Long live ras! > > > > Thus the reason The Pits is no longer.......idiots like you. Plonk. If that was true, and it isn't, then no loss. You know, I was about to say thank frig for GTR when it hit me. Jan and Co have seen GTR and probably realise that all their expertise with things Papy is about to be worthless. Thus the statement about no more NR2003 support. This no doubt has played a role too. A culmination of things.

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