Re: N4: 9 new screenshots at BHMS!!

actually, i hear that the celery 566 is almost as easy to overclock to 850 as the 300a is to 450. might want to look into that, as 850Mhz + a decent vid card just might be enough to run this sim (obviously this is just a guess on my part...) "Don Hancock ("Gunner")" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CIHR4.599$[email hidden]... > Steve Sarlls wrote in message ... > >Beautifull. Man I'm glad I just built a new computer. :-) > > > You won't be in 6-8 months when it hits the shelves and you STILL need > to upgrade! hehehe.... I'm waiting for my upgrade now. I had talkedmyself > into a Celery 566... > > Unfortunately... NOW... I'll have to spend a LOT more money thanoriginally > intended. > > Gunner > ("honey, I need about a thousand dollars so I can run N4. What? No, IKNOW > I just got N3 and the truck pack, but-" SMACK!) > >

As good as I think those shots look, I'm guessing they could REALLY benefit from the V5's FSAA. Mmmm......just imagine those shots @800*600 w/4XFSAA....(insert Homer's drool) > Don't waste your time on a Voodoo5 - someone said the sim will be > supporting hardware transform and lighting (T&L), and the Voodoocards > don't do this. Your best recourse at this time (if this is indeedthe > case) is to get a GeForce2 card. Not that I want to turn this into a V5/GF2 debate, but IMHO I think 4xFSAA will improve the game more than if T&L is implemented(which of course doesn't make the game LOOK any better) I'm also assuming that the game will be capped @31fps like N3. With a decent processor, this should be fairly easy. I can't imagine any sim freak (like myself) would consider anything but a V5 (as an upgrade over a GF2) Games like F12k (and N3) are just begging for 4xFSAA. I'm still salivating over those GPL shots, and this is a game that really doesn't need FSAA. my $.01 Ivan Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Its probably D3D. N4 will only support D3D and OpenGL... No Glide. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ #4395450 Editor in Chief PowerSims.com Sal V. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:25GR4.178379$[email hidden]... > Can you tell us what kind of video card produced such beauty? I'm guessing > NVIDIA! > > Thanks, > > Sal V. > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8f7734$eil$[email hidden]... > > These shots have been posted on the Papy web page: www.papy.com > > > > Eric > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:J8FR4.169$[email hidden]... > > > Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 > > > screenshots!! > > > > > > Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > > > > > > Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? > > > > > >

Hmm...I think its about time I build my new AMD Athlon machine with VooDoo5 :) Chris

The only good thing about it being so far off is that it'll give me time to save up for a new system! Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

>Beautifull. Man I'm glad I just built a new computer. :-) You won't be in 6-8 months when it hits the shelves and you STILL need to upgrade! hehehe.... I'm waiting for my upgrade now. I had talked myself into a Celery 566... Unfortunately... NOW... I'll have to spend a LOT more money than originally intended. Gunner ("honey, I need about a thousand dollars so I can run N4. What? No, I KNOW I just got N3 and the truck pack, but-" SMACK!)

These shots have been posted on the Papy web page: www.papy.com Eric "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J8FR4.169$[email hidden]... > Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 > screenshots!! > > Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > > Notice the dynamic shadows.... ??

Holy Crap! I just wet myslef! Looks like I'm investing in a new computer for this baby! Ed Solheim wrote in message ...

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>Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 >screenshots!! > >Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > >Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? > >-- >ed_ > > > >

OMG!!!! I using netscape, and when the window pops up displaying the thumbnailed screenshots, I couldn't believe what I was looking at. Had to view them fullscreen so I could tell it was a screenshot of a pc sim!!! Wonder what sort of system those screenshots were taken on........ Md Ed Solheim wrote:

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> > Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 > screenshots!! > > Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > > Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? > > -- > ed_

Can you tell us what kind of video card produced such beauty? I'm guessing NVIDIA! Thanks, Sal V. "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8f7734$eil$[email hidden]...

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> These shots have been posted on the Papy web page: www.papy.com > > Eric > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:J8FR4.169$[email hidden]... > > Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 > > screenshots!! > > > > Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > > > > Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? > >

From the look of those shots I reckon I can forget about driving this sim on my P2 400. Oh well, I guess I'll have to settle for GPL! Anyway, those shots look pretty close to photo realistic, especially the gantry shadow effect. I suppose I'll have to start saving for an MB and processor upgrade now. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J8FR4.169$[email hidden]... > Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 > screenshots!! > > Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > > Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? > > -- > ed_ > > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Hmm...I think its about time I build my new AMD Athlon machine with VooDoo5 :) > Don't waste your time on a Voodoo5 - someone said the sim will be supporting hardware transform and lighting (T&L), and the Voodoo cards don't do this. Your best recourse at this time (if this is indeed the case) is to get a GeForce2 card. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 screenshots!! Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? -- ed_

Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J8FR4.169$[email hidden]... > Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 > screenshots!! > > Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > > Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? Good grief, those shots are marvelous! I wish they posted the system specs, but it looks like I'll be upgrading again (last upgrade was entirely due to GPL). And I shouldn't even mention this, but can you imagine a CART sim or even a GPL2 with these graphics? Sigh....

Beautifull. Man I'm glad I just built a new computer. :-) Steve-S #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo On Mon, 8 May 2000 22:06:41 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 >screenshots!! > >Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > >Notice the dynamic shadows.... ??

Just found that out myself Eric! Thanks alot guys for showing us a little more of N4! Now, when will a demo be out? :) Ed_ "Eric Busch" wrote: > These shots have been posted on the Papy web page: www.papy.com > > Eric

Actually it will be Direct3D and OpenGL only. Eric "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SiHR4.10017$[email hidden]... > I agree in general that the GeForce 2 GTS is the faster card, but N4will > support Glide (just like GPL), which means it will get an extra 10%speed > boost on a V5. Plus, what did hardware T&L ever do for frame ratesin Quake > 3?

Steve Sarlls wrote in message ... >Beautifull. Man I'm glad I just built a new computer. :-) > You won't be in 6-8 months when it hits the shelves and you STILL need to upgrade! hehehe.... I'm waiting for my upgrade now. I had talked myself into a Celery 566... Unfortunately... NOW... I'll have to spend a LOT more money than originally intended. Gunner ("honey, I need about a thousand dollars so I can run N4. What? No, I KNOW I just got N3 and the truck pack, but-" SMACK!)

"Target 12" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:[email hidden]... > The only good thing about it being so far off is that it'll give me timeto > save up for a new system! > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane-<knip die site, geen spam in mijn reply!! God gloeiende godverdomme!!!! Welke vuile vieze k@$@#!@$ker lijer loopt hier mijn naam nou weer te misbruiken.... Ik wordt daar een beetje moet van.. Op deze manier krijg ik een slechte naam.. Zo heb ik al eens ruzie gekregen met Greetje!! -- Ad +is dr nog niet helemaal overheen....+

I agree in general that the GeForce 2 GTS is the faster card, but N4 will support Glide (just like GPL), which means it will get an extra 10% speed boost on a V5. Plus, what did hardware T&L ever do for frame rates in Quake 3?

On Mon, 8 May 2000 22:06:41 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 >screenshots!! > >Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > >Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? It looks like to me, that Jure did not save the .jpg's in a very high quality which gives the shots a "blurry" look around the cars. Take a look at the ones that are up on Papy's site, same shots but about 3 times the file size. Much clearer pics. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skotty Flynn "skotty20" Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/ Member of The Sports Gaming Network: http://www.sports-gaming.com

Organization: San Francisco State University Distribution: Dave Henrie ([email hidden]) wrote: : > > > Don't waste your time on a Voodoo5 - someone said the sim will be : > > > supporting hardware transform and lighting (T&L), and the Voodoo : > > cards : > > > don't do this. Your best recourse at this time (if this is indeed : > > the : > > > case) is to get a GeForce2 card. : > : > I'll wait until "someone said" becomes "Papyrus said" ;). : Eric Busch HAS said. Opengl and D3d only with 32bit color and T&l : hardware accelerated. No glide at all. : But MY advice is to wait...you have 6 months to see what's available. : perhaps the new ATI card will kick A$$ so much we'll all run out and : grab that....(did I just say that? hahaha) : V5 6k "may" be a great N4 card...but we won't know for a while. : And GF2? It seems more like GF1.5. Either card will smoke...just one : will smoke a different cigar than the other. : dave henrie No support for compressed textures? This is a feature which will be supported in hardware by all video graphics chips soon to be released in a few months, i.e. Voodoo5, and makes it possible to use high-resolution textures >= 1024x1024x32 without requiring too much texture memory on the card. GM

In article <8f7h8f$b9h$[email hidden]>, Ivan <[email hidden]> wrote: > As good as I think those shots look, I'm guessing they could REALLY > benefit from the V5's FSAA. Mmmm......just imagine those shots > @800*600 > w/4XFSAA....(insert Homer's drool) As much as I like 3dfx, 2xFSAA is more like what people will be using (unless you're going to spring for a V5-6000). I wish more of the V5-5500 previews included 2x shots, as 4x seems to have too big a hit - down to Geforce FSAA levels ;). I'll be getting a V5 eventually anyways, too many good Glide games I still enjoy. > > Don't waste your time on a Voodoo5 - someone said the sim will be > > supporting hardware transform and lighting (T&L), and the Voodoo > cards > > don't do this. Your best recourse at this time (if this is indeed > the > > case) is to get a GeForce2 card. I'll wait until "someone said" becomes "Papyrus said" ;). > Not that I want to turn this into a V5/GF2 debate, but IMHO I think > 4xFSAA will improve the game more than if T&L is implemented(which of > course doesn't make the game LOOK any better) I'm also assuming that > the game will be capped @31fps like N3. With a decent processor, this > should be fairly easy. GPL engine - more like 36FPS cap, probably. This could actually be very interesting. Up til now, most tests of T&L have shown a fast CPU can do as good or better (in general), but with the N4(GPL) engine having to do the physics calcs for 43 cars instead of 19, hardware T&L may prove to be very useful. Only time will tell... Unless Eric feels like telling ;). Kendt Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Jure didn't save them. -Jacob Team BHMS www.bhmotorsports.com "Skotty Flynn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 8 May 2000 22:06:41 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 > >screenshots!! > > > >Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > > > >Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? > > > It looks like to me, that Jure did not save the .jpg's in a very high > quality which gives the shots a "blurry" look around the cars. > Take a look at the ones that are up on Papy's site, same shots but > about 3 times the file size. > Much clearer pics. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Skotty Flynn > "skotty20" > > Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com > > The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/ > > Member of The Sports Gaming Network: > http://www.sports-gaming.com

Eric Busch wrote: > > Actually it will be Direct3D and OpenGL only. > > Eric Uh-oh. I detect a boner here. Big mistake..... -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

Look at the last photo! It even has little tufts of grass against the pit wall! What attention to detail with the graphics, and I love the shadow effects! Now if they pay that much attention to the GPL style physics engine then this game should rank right up there under GPL for the best racing sim on the planet. Notice I said under GPL ;) Vintook "James Wohlever" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have 4 words for Papyrus: > > Holy Mother of God!!!! > > Jaw dropped for the first time in my life. > > Buying Sierra stock tomorrow. > > > _ > > James Wohlever > [email hidden] > [Posted with Agent 1.8. For info, email [email hidden].]

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> "Target 12" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:[email hidden]... > > The only good thing about it being so far off is that it'll give me time > to > > save up for a new system! > > Racer X > > Veteran Sim Racer > > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > > Victory Lane- > <knip die site, geen spam in mijn reply!! > > God gloeiende godverdomme!!!! Welke vuile vieze k@$@#!@$ker lijer loopt

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> Greetje!! > > -- > Ad > +is dr nog niet helemaal overheen....+ > >

There are no drivers in the cars, but I guess thats because they're not ready yet. But the looking at the carshapes it seems like we're going to have to add the Chevy's, Fords and (by then) Dodge's ourselves again. So far the complaints, because I never saw such beautifull screenshots before! I WANT N4 BADLY !!!! (same for GP3 and WSC) Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws J8FR4.169$[email hidden]...

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> Check out http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ for 9 (!!) new Nascar 4 > screenshots!! > > Dunno where they got them... but they sure look good! > > Notice the dynamic shadows.... ?? > > -- > ed_ > > > >

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> > > Don't waste your time on a Voodoo5 - someone said the sim will be > > > supporting hardware transform and lighting (T&L), and the Voodoo > > cards > > > don't do this. Your best recourse at this time (if this is indeed > > the > > > case) is to get a GeForce2 card. > > I'll wait until "someone said" becomes "Papyrus said" ;).

Eric Busch HAS said. Opengl and D3d only with 32bit color and T&l hardware accelerated. No glide at all. But MY advice is to wait...you have 6 months to see what's available. perhaps the new ATI card will kick A$$ so much we'll all run out and grab that....(did I just say that? hahaha) V5 6k "may" be a great N4 card...but we won't know for a while. And GF2? It seems more like GF1.5. Either card will smoke...just one will smoke a different cigar than the other. dave henrie

That and a V5 6000 to get rid of the Jaggies and I'll be in heaven. Time to start saving! Michael "Mark Stahl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8f818g$dsb$[email hidden]... > actually, i hear that the celery 566 is almost as easy to overclock to 850 > as the 300a is to 450. might want to look into that, as 850Mhz + a decent > vid card just might be enough to run this sim (obviously this is just a > guess on my part...) >[snip]

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> > No support for compressed textures? This is a feature which will be supported in hardware by > all video graphics chips soon to be released in a few months, i.e. Voodoo5, and makes it > possible to use high-resolution textures >= 1024x1024x32 without requiring too much texture > memory on the card. > > GM

Those are features that should be available via D3d so they will support them in some fashion I would think. dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > I'll wait until "someone said" becomes "Papyrus said" ;). > Eric Busch HAS said. Opengl and D3d only with 32bit color and T&l > hardware accelerated. No glide at all. > But MY advice is to wait...you have 6 months to see what'savailable. > perhaps the new ATI card will kick A$$ so much we'll all run out and > grab that....(did I just say that? hahaha) > V5 6k "may" be a great N4 card...but we won't know for a while. > And GF2? It seems more like GF1.5. Either card will smoke...just one > will smoke a different cigar than the other. > dave henrie Damnit, damnit, damnit!!! Just when I thought my video upgrade choice was going to be simple, Papyrus had to go and pull this! What do they want me to do. have one PC for Glide games and build another one for the next gen of T&L games?! Papy, release a GPL-based CART sim and I'll forgive you ;). Dave - tell me GP3 supports Glide so I can pre-order my V5 soon! Gonna be an interesting summer.... Kendt > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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> > Damnit, damnit, damnit!!! Just when I thought my video upgrade choice > was going to be simple, Papyrus had to go and pull this! What do they > want me to do. have one PC for Glide games and build another one for the > next gen of T&L games?! > Papy, release a GPL-based CART sim and I'll forgive you ;). > > Dave - tell me GP3 supports Glide so I can pre-order my V5 soon! > > Gonna be an interesting summer.... > Kendt >

I really don't know on that one. I would assume....based on the time GP3 was in the development cycle, that Glide would be an option. But I just don't know. We have seen some hardware accelerated screenshots, so SOMEBODY must know. Anyone feel like chipping in here? dave henrie

I own a Celery 566 @ 850 and I can personally say that it kicks ass for the $$$. I can now race F1-2000 against the computer components with respectable frame rates with a Geforce card. If anyone's interested in these overclocked Celeries I would check out www.genxtechcomp.com or www.step_thermodynamics.com -- JD "Mark Stahl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8f818g$dsb$[email hidden]... > actually, i hear that the celery 566 is almost as easy to overclock to 850 > as the 300a is to 450. might want to look into that, as 850Mhz + a decent > vid card just might be enough to run this sim (obviously this is just a > guess on my part...) > > "Don Hancock ("Gunner")" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CIHR4.599$[email hidden]... > > Steve Sarlls wrote in message ... > > >Beautifull. Man I'm glad I just built a new computer. :-) > > > > > You won't be in 6-8 months when it hits the shelves and you STILL need > > to upgrade! hehehe.... I'm waiting for my upgrade now. I had talked > myself > > into a Celery 566... > > > > Unfortunately... NOW... I'll have to spend a LOT more money than > originally > > intended. > > > > Gunner > > ("honey, I need about a thousand dollars so I can run N4. What? No, I > KNOW > > I just got N3 and the truck pack, but-" SMACK!) > > > > > > >