Re: Finally - E3 video from N4

>From what I've seen of in car views in actual Nacar races the driver >sits so low as to likely be unable to see any of the hood anyways... > > This is infact true Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

lol, don't blame you, on my dsl line, i am currently trying to hack away and get the file dled, but no luck so far. "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've been thinking about that. It seems as though they should be able toat > least see the front of the car. How else can they so successfully drafteach > other bumper to bumper at 200 mph? If indeed anyone can substantiate thefact > that drivers cannot see anything accept their dash - with factualevidence - I'll > leave it alone and be content that it is right. Last years N3 trailershowed the > hood, though... > > BTW - this Real Player stuff is VERY flaky. I put them right up therewith AOL. > Their program is like a plague on your PC and if you're not careful during > install it will install all sorts of junk, ie: NetZip (what the heck isthat?). > It didn't get past me. > > Also I tried unsuccessfully to save the .ra file to my HD. It would notlet me. > > --David Cook > > In article <[email hidden]>,[email hidden]

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> wrote... > > >From what I've seen of in car views in actual Nacar races the driver > > >sits so low as to likely be unable to see any of the hood anyways... > > > > > > > > > > This is infact true > > Racer X > > Veteran Sim Racer > > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > > Victory Lane- > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ > > > > >

From what I've seen of in car views in actual Nacar races the driver sits so low as to likely be unable to see any of the hood anyways... My observation... Md

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> A lap around Lowes (C***te) from the***pit view! This is gonna ROCK. Looks > and feels just like GPL. I can't wait!!! Only thing is I can't see any of the > hood on the front of the car. I thought I would be able to see that from the >***pit view. > The quality of this Realplayer stream is pretty bad. But it's better than > nothing. A lot better ;) > Go to http://www.agn3d.com././html/agn3d-remote_display.cfm?LinkID=32432 and pick > the 80K stream. First you'll need Real Player. You won't regret it :) I hope > there's better in-car footage forthcoming... > --David Cook

A lap around Lowes (Charlotte) from the cockpit view! This is gonna ROCK. Looks and feels just like GPL. I can't wait!!! Only thing is I can't see any of the hood on the front of the car. I thought I would be able to see that from the cockpit view. The quality of this Realplayer stream is pretty bad. But it's better than nothing. A lot better ;) Go to http://www.agn3d.com./html/agn3d-remote_display.cfm?LinkID=32432 and pick the 80K stream. First you'll need Real Player. You won't regret it :) I hope there's better in-car footage forthcoming... --David Cook

I must have a problem on my end, I get continuous sound but one frame of video about every 10 seconds :( David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > A lap around Lowes (Charlotte) from the cockpit view! This is gonna ROCK.Looks > and feels just like GPL. I can't wait!!! Only thing is I can't see anyof the > hood on the front of the car. I thought I would be able to see that fromthe > cockpit view. > > The quality of this Realplayer stream is pretty bad. But it's better than > nothing. A lot better ;) > > Go to http://www.agn3d.com./html/agn3d-remote_display.cfm?LinkID=32432 andpick > the 80K stream. First you'll need Real Player. You won't regret it :) Ihope > there's better in-car footage forthcoming... > > --David Cook

From what I've seen of in car views in actual Nacar races the driver sits so low as to likely be unable to see any of the hood anyways... My observation... Md "David L. Cook" wrote:

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> > A lap around Lowes (Charlotte) from the cockpit view! This is gonna ROCK. Looks > and feels just like GPL. I can't wait!!! Only thing is I can't see any of the > hood on the front of the car. I thought I would be able to see that from the > cockpit view. > > The quality of this Realplayer stream is pretty bad. But it's better than > nothing. A lot better ;) > > Go to http://www.agn3d.com./html/agn3d-remote_display.cfm?LinkID=32432 and pick > the 80K stream. First you'll need Real Player. You won't regret it :) I hope > there's better in-car footage forthcoming... > > --David Cook

Same here the first time Don, second time i ran it , it worked fine tho Md Don Jennings wrote:

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> > I must have a problem on my end, I get continuous sound but one frame of > video about every 10 seconds :( > > David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > A lap around Lowes (Charlotte) from the cockpit view! This is gonna ROCK. > Looks > > and feels just like GPL. I can't wait!!! Only thing is I can't see any > of the > > hood on the front of the car. I thought I would be able to see that from > the > > cockpit view. > > > > The quality of this Realplayer stream is pretty bad. But it's better than > > nothing. A lot better ;) > > > > Go to http://www.agn3d.com./html/agn3d-remote_display.cfm?LinkID=32432 and > pick > > the 80K stream. First you'll need Real Player. You won't regret it :) I > hope > > there's better in-car footage forthcoming... > > > > --David Cook

I've tried it multiple times now, same thing every time, one frame every 10 seconds. Martyn Danby <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Same here the first time Don, second time i ran it , it worked fine tho >

OMG!! The cockpit looks fantastic. The light effect are marvelous. Sound is great even through Realplayer. David L. Cook <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]... > A lap around Lowes (Charlotte) from the cockpit view! This is gonna ROCK.Looks > and feels just like GPL. I can't wait!!! Only thing is I can't see anyof the > hood on the front of the car. I thought I would be able to see that fromthe > cockpit view. > > The quality of this Realplayer stream is pretty bad. But it's better than > nothing. A lot better ;) > > Go to http://www.agn3d.com./html/agn3d-remote_display.cfm?LinkID=32432 andpick > the 80K stream. First you'll need Real Player. You won't regret it :) Ihope > there's better in-car footage forthcoming... > > --David Cook

No <expletive>! -I get nothing at all. Connect keeps timing out. I'm guessing this is one of those deals somebody couldn't save and upload somewhere? Jan. =--- Don Jennings <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3QfT4.285$[email hidden]... > I must have a problem on my end, I get continuous sound but one frame of > video about every 10 seconds :( > > <snip>

I've been thinking about that. It seems as though they should be able to at least see the front of the car. How else can they so successfully draft each other bumper to bumper at 200 mph? If indeed anyone can substantiate the fact that drivers cannot see anything accept their dash - with factual evidence - I'll leave it alone and be content that it is right. Last years N3 trailer showed the hood, though... BTW - this Real Player stuff is VERY flaky. I put them right up there with AOL. Their program is like a plague on your PC and if you're not careful during install it will install all sorts of junk, ie: NetZip (what the heck is that?). It didn't get past me. Also I tried unsuccessfully to save the .ra file to my HD. It would not let me. --David Cook In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote...

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> >From what I've seen of in car views in actual Nacar races the driver > >sits so low as to likely be unable to see any of the hood anyways... > > > > > > This is infact true > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ > >

Then my already high impression of these drivers just went up considerably. How they can race bumper to bumper at 180 mph, not see their front end, and trust the other drivers is incredible. Dave "Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >From what I've seen of in car views in actual Nacar races the driver > >sits so low as to likely be unable to see any of the hood anyways... > > > > > > This is infact true > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >

>Go drive a stock car and let us know if you see your hood. I know I >didn't... > Same here Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

Loved it myself, although my complaint is that the windshield looks far to small. but people (from papy) tell me its correct..... Im looking for in car shots now over the net....i dont see the point in seeing the center of the wheel if in real life the driver would only see it in his lower periphery. pez David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > A lap around Lowes (Charlotte) from the cockpit view! This is gonna ROCK.Looks > and feels just like GPL. I can't wait!!! Only thing is I can't see anyof the > hood on the front of the car. I thought I would be able to see that fromthe > cockpit view. > > The quality of this Realplayer stream is pretty bad. But it's better than > nothing. A lot better ;) > > Go to http://www.agn3d.com./html/agn3d-remote_display.cfm?LinkID=32432 andpick > the 80K stream. First you'll need Real Player. You won't regret it :) Ihope > there's better in-car footage forthcoming... > > --David Cook

Make it that it ran perfectly on 2 computers now. I am on sdsl and buffered at 375kbs. Ran the 300k movie perfectly. ] "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GgoT4.188860$[email hidden]...

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> Dave, > > It downloaded and ran perfectly on my cable modem on the first try. > RealPlayer has always worked great for me, even on my old dial-up modem. > > David G Fisher > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Not. I'm on ADSL. Maybe AGN is on dialup? LOL. > > > > --David Cook > > > > In article <L3nT4.80085$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > wrote... > > > guys it's called streaming media on a slow dial-up. that's just how it > goes > > > > > > Don Jennings <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:AxgT4.288$[email hidden]... > > > > I've tried it multiple times now, same thing every time, one frame > every > > > 10 > > > > seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Martyn Danby <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Same here the first time Don, second time i ran it , it worked

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"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote > I've been thinking about that. It seems as though they should be able toat > least see the front of the car. How else can they so successfully drafteach > other bumper to bumper at 200 mph? It's pretty easy. The best thing is to think of yourself in a real WC race car when you are racing N3 per exemple. You can easily know the limit of your front bumper. In the pits, slowly go forwards onto the rear of the parked AI. When you finally bump his rear, notice where the bottom of the windshield ends compared to the rear of his car. Bingo, you found the sweet spot that will stay with you FOREVER in the sim. It's how you can successfully draft each other bumper to bumper at 200mph. That's how they do in real life also FYI. It's the same in GPL and how you can know where the front ends. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

guys it's called streaming media on a slow dial-up. that's just how it goes Don Jennings <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AxgT4.288$[email hidden]... > I've tried it multiple times now, same thing every time, one frame every10

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> seconds. > > > Martyn Danby <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Same here the first time Don, second time i ran it , it worked fine tho > > > > >

Not. I'm on ADSL. Maybe AGN is on dialup? LOL. --David Cook In article <L3nT4.80085$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote...

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> guys it's called streaming media on a slow dial-up. that's just how it goes > > Don Jennings <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:AxgT4.288$[email hidden]... > > I've tried it multiple times now, same thing every time, one frame every > 10 > > seconds. > > > > > > Martyn Danby <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Same here the first time Don, second time i ran it , it worked fine tho > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks Fran�ois, but I still think the consensus is wrong. Take a look here at Bill Elliot - http://www.racecar.com/images/be_drvx.jpg - now look to the extreme right and you can see the top of the dash. That dash doesn't even come up to his neck. Trust me - he can see his hood... --David Cook

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> It's pretty easy. The best thing is to think of yourself in a real WC race > car when you are racing N3 per exemple. You can easily know the limit of > your front bumper. > > In the pits, slowly go forwards onto the rear of the parked AI. When you > finally bump his rear, notice where the bottom of the windshield ends > compared to the rear of his car. Bingo, you found the sweet spot that will > stay with you FOREVER in the sim. It's how you can successfully draft each > other bumper to bumper at 200mph. That's how they do in real life also FYI. > > It's the same in GPL and how you can know where the front ends. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > >

Dave, It downloaded and ran perfectly on my cable modem on the first try. RealPlayer has always worked great for me, even on my old dial-up modem. David G Fisher "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Not. I'm on ADSL. Maybe AGN is on dialup? LOL. > > --David Cook > > In article <L3nT4.80085$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]wrote... > > guys it's called streaming media on a slow dial-up. that's just how itgoes > > > > Don Jennings <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:AxgT4.288$[email hidden]... > > > I've tried it multiple times now, same thing every time, one frameevery

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Go drive a stock car and let us know if you see your hood. I know I didn't... Eric "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks Fran�ois, but I still think the consensus is wrong.

I happen to be tall, and their are very few cars that i can't see the hood on. But I do notice that the seating is very low in a race car and I expect that no one can see the hood in a cup car. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] --------------------------------------------------- DK-Racing #15 K_Anderson ------------------------------------------------- http://www.awtech.net/ "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8fl4un$rds$[email hidden]... > Go drive a stock car and let us know if you see your hood. I know I > didn't... > > Eric > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Thanks Fran�ois, but I still think the consensus is wrong. > >

Did anyone notice the MIRROR? They have fixed another anoying long time problem. yeeha! dave henrie "David L. Cook" wrote:

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> > A lap around Lowes (Charlotte) from the cockpit view! This is gonna ROCK. Looks > and feels just like GPL. I can't wait!!! Only thing is I can't see any of the > hood on the front of the car. I thought I would be able to see that from the > cockpit view. > > The quality of this Realplayer stream is pretty bad. But it's better than > nothing. A lot better ;) > > Go to http://www.agn3d.com./html/agn3d-remote_display.cfm?LinkID=32432 and pick > the 80K stream. First you'll need Real Player. You won't regret it :) I hope > there's better in-car footage forthcoming... > > --David Cook

Jeff Gordon is one of the worlds best WC drivers. Yet he couldn't see a tire less than 20 feet in front of him while in the pits. I think you guys will find, if asked, the WC drivers will say they CANNOT see the hood. dave henrie Kevin Anderson wrote:

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> > I happen to be tall, and their are very few cars that i can't see the hood > on. But I do notice that the seating is very low in a race car and I expect > that no one can see the hood in a cup car. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > --------------------------------------------------- > DK-Racing > #15 K_Anderson > ------------------------------------------------- > http://www.awtech.net/ > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8fl4un$rds$[email hidden]... > > Go drive a stock car and let us know if you see your hood. I know I > > didn't... > > > > Eric > > > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Thanks Fran�ois, but I still think the consensus is wrong. > > > >

Jeff Gordon is one of the worlds best WC drivers. Yet he couldn't see a tire less than 20 feet in front of him while in the pits. I think you guys will find, if asked, the WC drivers will say they CANNOT see the hood. dave henrie Kevin Anderson wrote:

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> > I happen to be tall, and their are very few cars that i can't see the hood > on. But I do notice that the seating is very low in a race car and I expect > that no one can see the hood in a cup car. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > --------------------------------------------------- > DK-Racing > #15 K_Anderson > ------------------------------------------------- > http://www.awtech.net/ > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8fl4un$rds$[email hidden]... > > Go drive a stock car and let us know if you see your hood. I know I > > didn't... > > > > Eric > > > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Thanks Fran�ois, but I still think the consensus is wrong. > > > >

Jeff Gordon is one of the worlds best WC drivers. Yet he couldn't see a tire less than 20 feet in front of him while in the pits. I think you guys will find, if asked, the WC drivers will say they CANNOT see the hood. dave henrie Kevin Anderson wrote:

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> > I happen to be tall, and their are very few cars that i can't see the hood > on. But I do notice that the seating is very low in a race car and I expect > that no one can see the hood in a cup car. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > --------------------------------------------------- > DK-Racing > #15 K_Anderson > ------------------------------------------------- > http://www.awtech.net/ > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8fl4un$rds$[email hidden]... > > Go drive a stock car and let us know if you see your hood. I know I > > didn't... > > > > Eric > > > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Thanks Fran�ois, but I still think the consensus is wrong. > > > >

I'm not on a slow dial-up Kai, I'm on cable and have had no problem in the past with streaming video. If my connection isn't optimal, I'll get some "warp" of a portion of a second on video feeds, but I've never run into anything like a frame every 10 seconds. Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:L3nT4.80085$[email hidden]... > guys it's called streaming media on a slow dial-up. that's just how itgoes > > Don Jennings <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:AxgT4.288$[email hidden]... > > I've tried it multiple times now, same thing every time, one frame every > 10 > > seconds.

What? Could you post that again? I did not quite catch it :) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Jeff Gordon is one of the worlds best WC drivers. Yet he couldn't > see a tire less than 20 feet in front of him while in the pits. I think > you guys will find, if asked, the WC drivers will say they CANNOT see > the hood. > dave henrie > > Kevin Anderson wrote: > > > > I happen to be tall, and their are very few cars that i can't see the

hood > > on. But I do notice that the seating is very low in a race car and Iexpect

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> > that no one can see the hood in a cup car. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > --------------------------------------------------- > > DK-Racing > > #15 K_Anderson > > ------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.awtech.net/ > > > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8fl4un$rds$[email hidden]... > > > Go drive a stock car and let us know if you see your hood. I know I > > > didn't... > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Thanks Fran�ois, but I still think the consensus is wrong. > > > > > >

cable here, ran like crap even AFTER getting Realplayer upgraded to version 7. Well I should say it ran like crap the FIRST time I ran it. After that full speed. I think the AGN server is overloaded this weekend. dave henrie Don Jennings wrote:

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> > I'm not on a slow dial-up Kai, I'm on cable and have had no problem in the > past with streaming video. If my connection isn't optimal, I'll get some > "warp" of a portion of a second on video feeds, but I've never run into > anything like a frame every 10 seconds. > > Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:L3nT4.80085$[email hidden]... > > guys it's called streaming media on a slow dial-up. that's just how it > goes > > > > Don Jennings <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:AxgT4.288$[email hidden]... > > > I've tried it multiple times now, same thing every time, one frame every > > 10 > > > seconds.

I did the Richard Petty Driving Experience last year and didn't even come close to being able to see the hood, let alone where the front bumper is. But the weird thing about it is that it felt very natural. Oh yeah, it sure was fun too :-) -- See ya in the pits, Deano I have a terrible memory. In fact it's so bad that I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. Target 12 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >From what I've seen of in car views in actual Nacar races the driver > >sits so low as to likely be unable to see any of the hood anyways... > > > > > > This is infact true > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >

Yes we can.

Eric, Based on reply's of those who have actually driven in a stock car, including yours, I have been convinced. It would not have been as rude for you to just offer your input as one who has actually driven a stock car, than throwing in a comment like "Go drive a stock car...". I realize you (and Shawn Wise) are busy and we appreciate the fact that you take time to post to the forums we visit, but - you put your pants on one leg at a time just like I do brother, try being a little nicer and not so defensive when you reply. Most of us think very highly of Papy as well as the crew that develops the sim's that we love. It makes a difference to us when you spend a couple more minutes to draft an explanation, rather than a short one sentence reply. Regarding whether or not you show us what is currently "in development", by all means! We understand that things change, and hopefully you understand that we care greatly about what will end up being the finished product - and that's why we take the time to offer our opinions and idea's. Nothing I have seen posted yet has been in a critisizing fashion - but in a complimentary fashion with only our thoughts and ideas regarding what we have seen. Sure we sometimes argue among ourselves - but that is because a lot of us are passionate for the sport we love. David Cook BTW - check out this link offered by Shawn Wise on the Sierra Motorsports forum of the interior of Benson's car - it pretty much confirms your reply: http://carpoint.msn.com/advice/articles/nascarvideo.asp?vid=interior In article <8fl4un$rds$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote... > Go drive a stock car and let us know if you see your hood. I know I > didn't... > > Eric >

Not trying to be rude, just a statement of fact. Until you've sat in a stock car and seen the POV from the driver's seat, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to argue one way or another what you think the driver should or shouldn't be able to see. If you ever get a chance, you'll be surprised how little they actually can see... Eric "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Based on reply's of those who have actually driven in a stock car,including > yours, I have been convinced. > > It would not have been as rude for you to just offer your input as onewho has > actually driven a stock car, than throwing in a comment like "Go drivea stock > car..."

Eric, I noticed above some folks have been to Petty's Driving experience and they couldn't see the hood. I have an idea that might help you convince folks that you guys have the perspective right. I saw the TV commercial this morning for PDE and the civilian they were strapping in was very low in the car. His chin barely cleared the door/window level. I suggest anyone who has doubts about hood views, to go out to their car, slink down in the front seat til your chin is level with the bottom of the window on the side door. Then look out and tell us if you can see a hood on your passenger car. dave henrie Eric Busch wrote:

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> > Not trying to be rude, just a statement of fact. Until you've sat in a > stock car and seen the POV from the driver's seat, it doesn't make a > whole lot of sense to argue one way or another what you think the driver > should or shouldn't be able to see. If you ever get a chance, you'll be > surprised how little they actually can see... > > Eric > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Based on reply's of those who have actually driven in a stock car, > including > > yours, I have been convinced. > > > > It would not have been as rude for you to just offer your input as one > who has > > actually driven a stock car, than throwing in a comment like "Go drive > a stock > > car..."

Can't get past the preferences menu when trying to play the clip. Anyone else with this problem? Suggestions? TIA Larry Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > Eric, I noticed above some folks have been to Petty's Driving > experience and they couldn't see the hood. I have an idea that might > help you convince folks that you guys have the perspective right. > I saw the TV commercial this morning for PDE and the civilian they > were strapping in was very low in the car. His chin barely cleared the > door/window level. > I suggest anyone who has doubts about hood views, to go out to their > car, slink down in the front seat til your chin is level with the bottom > of the window on the side door. Then look out and tell us if you can > see a hood on your passenger car. > dave henrie > > Eric Busch wrote: > > > > Not trying to be rude, just a statement of fact. Until you've sat in a > > stock car and seen the POV from the driver's seat, it doesn't make a > > whole lot of sense to argue one way or another what you think the driver > > should or shouldn't be able to see. If you ever get a chance, you'll be > > surprised how little they actually can see... > > > > Eric > > > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Based on reply's of those who have actually driven in a stock car, > > including > > > yours, I have been convinced. > > > > > > It would not have been as rude for you to just offer your input as one > > who has > > > actually driven a stock car, than throwing in a comment like "Go drive > > a stock > > > car..."

that is very likely. Also the high speed connection out of LA going down may have something to do with it, not being able to optimally stream back to new York. Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> cable here, ran like crap even AFTER getting Realplayer upgraded to > version 7. Well I should say it ran like crap the FIRST time I ran it. > After that full speed. I think the AGN server is overloaded this > weekend. > dave henrie > > Don Jennings wrote: > > > > I'm not on a slow dial-up Kai, I'm on cable and have had no problem in

the > > past with streaming video. If my connection isn't optimal, I'll getsome

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> > "warp" of a portion of a second on video feeds, but I've never run into > > anything like a frame every 10 seconds. > > > > Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:L3nT4.80085$[email hidden]... > > > guys it's called streaming media on a slow dial-up. that's just how it > > goes > > > > > > Don Jennings <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:AxgT4.288$[email hidden]... > > > > I've tried it multiple times now, same thing every time, one frame

every > > > 10 > > > > seconds.

have you dloaded the latest free player from Real Player? They are up to version 7. Get that, then make sure you choose real player and DON"T use the AGN interface. dave henrie Larry Hawes wrote: > > Can't get past the preferences menu when trying to play the clip. Anyone > else with this problem? Suggestions? > > TIA Larry >

I can't seem to make it out very well (using the 300k stream), but can anyone tell if pit road is straight and not curved? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

I disabled naviscope and downloaded RP Ver 7 and it works fine. Thanks. Can't say that the small clips are very impressive though. Need a first hand drive to get a feel for the physics model. Anything short of GPL physics (though I understand the engine will be similar?) will be disappointing. Thanks again for the help Larry Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > have you dloaded the latest free player from Real Player? They are > up to version 7. Get that, then make sure you choose real player and > DON"T use the AGN interface. > dave henrie > > Larry Hawes wrote: > > > > Can't get past the preferences menu when trying to play the clip. Anyone > > else with this problem? Suggestions? > > > > TIA Larry > >

Guys, I've driven stock cars and each driver has a different place they like to sit. Earnhardt sits so low you can barely see him, other drivers sit so high their heads almost touch the roof....it's all driver preference and I don't really see why you are arguing over this? Lee On Sun, 14 May 2000 17:53:44 GMT, Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Can't get past the preferences menu when trying to play the clip. Anyone >else with this problem? Suggestions? > >TIA Larry > >Dave Henrie wrote: >> >> Eric, I noticed above some folks have been to Petty's Driving >> experience and they couldn't see the hood. I have an idea that might >> help you convince folks that you guys have the perspective right. >> I saw the TV commercial this morning for PDE and the civilian they >> were strapping in was very low in the car. His chin barely cleared the >> door/window level. >> I suggest anyone who has doubts about hood views, to go out to their >> car, slink down in the front seat til your chin is level with the bottom >> of the window on the side door. Then look out and tell us if you can >> see a hood on your passenger car. >> dave henrie >> >> Eric Busch wrote: >> > >> > Not trying to be rude, just a statement of fact. Until you've sat in a >> > stock car and seen the POV from the driver's seat, it doesn't make a >> > whole lot of sense to argue one way or another what you think the driver >> > should or shouldn't be able to see. If you ever get a chance, you'll be >> > surprised how little they actually can see... >> > >> > Eric >> > >> > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> > > >> > > Based on reply's of those who have actually driven in a stock car, >> > including >> > > yours, I have been convinced. >> > > >> > > It would not have been as rude for you to just offer your input as one >> > who has >> > > actually driven a stock car, than throwing in a comment like "Go drive >> > a stock >> > > car..."

Yes we can. DoubleU <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]... > I can't seem to make it out very well (using the 300k stream), > but can anyone tell if pit road is straight and not curved? > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network* > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! >

Sorry :) It's very straight. Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws nnDT4.17512$z%[email hidden]...

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> Yes we can. > > DoubleU <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > [email hidden]... > > I can't seem to make it out very well (using the 300k stream), > > but can anyone tell if pit road is straight and not curved? > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion

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woopee!!! In article <soDT4.17516$z%[email hidden]>, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Sorry :) It's very straight. > >Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws >nnDT4.17512$z%[email hidden]... >> Yes we can. >> >> DoubleU <[email hidden]> schreef in

berichtnieuws >> [email hidden]... >> > I can't seem to make it out very well (using the 300kstream), >> > but can anyone tell if pit road is straight and not curved? >> > >> > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet'sDiscussion >Network >> * >> > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate inUsenet - Free!

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On Sun, 14 May 2000 21:28:24 GMT Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote: % I disabled naviscope and downloaded RP Ver 7 and it works fine. Thanks. % Can't say that the small clips are very impressive though. Need a first % hand drive to get a feel for the physics model. Anything short of GPL % physics (though I understand the engine will be similar?) will be % disappointing. True, the proof will be when I can get behind the wheel myself. But the amount of movement, roll, etc seen from the clip indicates far improved physics over N2/3. Also it would appear that one doesn't just turn the wheel in the direction one want to go and presto the car holds that line. There was alot of wheel movement to keep the car in the preferred line. Which once again indicates a physic engine far advanced over N2/3. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=