Re: N3 online flaming

LOL Yeah, I've become pretty adept at accident avoidance after racing on WON. I actually had a great experience at Talladega once, though. There were only 5 people, and there were only 25 or so laps, but the people actually seemed to know how to race. There was a caution with 7 or so laps left, and the people actually lined up properly, and when I went to pass the leader with 2 1/2 laps to go, heactually held his line and didn't wreck me. Of course, that was my first win, so I'm probably a bit biased in its favor. ;) -- ================== Psicosis Psicosis* on WON Newbie Extraordinaire G_Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mRGb5.2446$[email hidden]... > lol, its no problem. Part of learning to drive is learning to avoid the > wrecks. Alot of times I have won at Talladega by starting last, wait until > everyone wrecks and win... No kidding! Then people are like good win man > lol Im like drive better lol > > --g_major on TEN > --Team Oscar > -- http://drive.to/racehard (Personal site) > --"To finish a race first, you first must finish the race" > -- Mark Martin > >

Just tried my first on-line race yesterday, had a "non online-version" of the game for some time, but went out and bought it. First off I must say it absolutely rocks. No one should cheat themselves for the experience of a good race. Normally I would think that only americans would find it amusing to go around in circles for hours, but the traffic-management is really intense and more up close than the open wheel racing on VROC. Maybe because here a little contact won't ruin you. But... I must say that the attitude of many racers sucks bigtime. Never have I heard so much bitching about crashing than here. Because things are so close wrecks can't be avoided, but it seems like theres always somebody, who thinks he is the next racing icon and he was wrecked, not because he couldn't hold hes line and control hes brakes, but because the front runner by pure evil jumped his hood, cousing them both to wreck. Instead of getting the damage repaired and getting back into the race he nows sits mid-lane on Talledega yelling obscenities at everybody whos still racing. Get a Life. But all that aside I am going online again. Finishing in the first half everytime (second once) on my first day really promotes interest. By the way if "Major G" (I think that was the name) reads this, please accept my apology for crashing you. But getting taken on the last few meters was more than i could take. Then again I had no clue of just how slow i was going with my overheated engine and how pretty damn fast you were clossing in. Sorry. See you on the tracks (do it have to be Talledega everytime) Bertel Bolt-J

Tallagega or "dega" as the wide open aces call it, is a track i RARELY visit anymore for such reasons..Try a good 1 mile flat track, especially one occupied by a well respected server...A few leagues will often let a few outsiders in for practice races as an attempt to feel out new members and the likewise..Dont let one bad "dega" turn your back to some excellent racing ! "Bertel Bolt-J�rgensen" <\\\[email hidden]///> wrote in message news:RJzb5.619$[email hidden]...

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> Just tried my first on-line race yesterday, had a "non online-version" of > the game for some time, but went out and bought it. > First off I must say it absolutely rocks. No one should cheat themselves > for the experience of a good race. Normally I would think that only > americans would find it amusing to go around in circles for hours, but the > traffic-management is really intense and more up close than the open wheel > racing on VROC. Maybe because here a little contact won't ruin you. But... > I must say that the attitude of many racers sucks bigtime. Never have I > heard so much bitching about crashing than here. Because things are so

close > wrecks can't be avoided, but it seems like theres always somebody, who > thinks he is the next racing icon and he was wrecked, not because he > couldn't hold hes line and control hes brakes, but because the frontrunner > by pure evil jumped his hood, cousing them both to wreck. > Instead of getting the damage repaired and getting back into the race he > nows sits mid-lane on Talledega yelling obscenities at everybody whosstill > racing. Get a Life. > > But all that aside I am going online again. Finishing in the first half > everytime (second once) on my first day really promotes interest. > By the way if "Major G" (I think that was the name) reads this, please > accept my apology for crashing you. But getting taken on the last fewmeters > was more than i could take. Then again I had no clue of just how slow iwas

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> going with my overheated engine and how pretty damn fast you were clossing > in. Sorry. > > See you on the tracks (do it have to be Talledega everytime) > > Bertel Bolt-J > >

I know what you mean Bertel, but that in the way it normally is in the WON arenas. It is sad and childish. There are a lot of good guys and great racers on there though. It just takes time to weed through all the BS to find a good race. Russ White Snake_316 on N3 Bertel Bolt-J�rgensen <\\\[email hidden]///> wrote in message news:RJzb5.619$[email hidden]...

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> Just tried my first on-line race yesterday, had a "non online-version" of > the game for some time, but went out and bought it. > First off I must say it absolutely rocks. No one should cheat themselves > for the experience of a good race. Normally I would think that only > americans would find it amusing to go around in circles for hours, but the > traffic-management is really intense and more up close than the open wheel > racing on VROC. Maybe because here a little contact won't ruin you. But... > I must say that the attitude of many racers sucks bigtime. Never have I > heard so much bitching about crashing than here. Because things are so

close > wrecks can't be avoided, but it seems like theres always somebody, who > thinks he is the next racing icon and he was wrecked, not because he > couldn't hold hes line and control hes brakes, but because the frontrunner > by pure evil jumped his hood, cousing them both to wreck. > Instead of getting the damage repaired and getting back into the race he > nows sits mid-lane on Talledega yelling obscenities at everybody whosstill > racing. Get a Life. > > But all that aside I am going online again. Finishing in the first half > everytime (second once) on my first day really promotes interest. > By the way if "Major G" (I think that was the name) reads this, please > accept my apology for crashing you. But getting taken on the last fewmeters > was more than i could take. Then again I had no clue of just how slow iwas

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> going with my overheated engine and how pretty damn fast you were clossing > in. Sorry. > > See you on the tracks (do it have to be Talledega everytime) > > Bertel Bolt-J > >

lol, its no problem. Part of learning to drive is learning to avoid the wrecks. Alot of times I have won at Talladega by starting last, wait until everyone wrecks and win... No kidding! Then people are like good win man lol Im like drive better lol --g_major on TEN --Team Oscar -- http://drive.to/racehard (Personal site) --"To finish a race first, you first must finish the race" -- Mark Martin

"Bertel Bolt-J�rgensen" <\\\[email hidden]///> wrote in message news:RJzb5.619$[email hidden]... > heard so much bitching about crashing than here. Because things are soclose > wrecks can't be avoided, but it seems like theres always somebody, who The can indeed be avoided if you are patient. My experiece has show me that many people are impatient, wreck and cry like babies. > thinks he is the next racing icon and he was wrecked, not because he > couldn't hold hes line and control hes brakes, but because the frontrunner > by pure evil jumped his hood, cousing them both to wreck. > Instead of getting the damage repaired and getting back into the race he > nows sits mid-lane on Talledega yelling obscenities at everybody whosstill > racing. Get a Life. When I host races I always have 8 humans in a 30 car field. Yes people have to drive around the computer cars but big whoop... I also have the damage and yellows turned off. This is supposed to be fun not some bigtime racing sunday thing. So I figured that your penalty for wrecking is trying to get back on the track. That way people always have a chance. What I have found though is that the warping is horrendious if the host is not a high speed cable or DSL user. If the host is 56k you can pretty much forget it even if you have cable or DSL. On top of that you have all of the different human personalities to deal with. I have had some cussing in the races, but for the most part the people getting yelled at deserved it. One guy was driving backwards and intentionaly causing wrecks. Most cry babies will simply escape out and quit (like the losers that they are) if they wreck. I would *NEVER* do this while hosting a race. Quite a number will stick it out no matter what, and those guys are cool. They are usually good drivers too. IMHO the online portion of N3 would be greatly enhanced if the host were given the option to kick out the trouble makers in the race. But that would probably bring up a new set of problems... In the end I think it is best to figure out how to deal with the situation as is. Also you could do a password protected race and only let in known people. But this is a very huge hassle and would most likely severly limit the humans in your races. -- [email hidden]

I have to agree with this post. I have raced AI in Nascar 2 and 3 and for the first time two weeks ago raced online. It is a kick in the pants. I too started out by falling back and/or intentionally moving out of the way at the start and I typically end up in the top ten. Keep your nose clean, avaoid wrecks and enjoy. Truck races I have found to be very enjoyable. Raced a two truck, 25 lap race with a fellow (I assume) named Speedy38 yesterday. Didn't lead a lap, tried to work on drafting skills, but it was very enjoyable. I'll take a clean, two car race over a crash-filled melee any time. Good pick-up races are very hard to find when you start out online (and have a two year old, a wife, house and a job!). Keep trying, remember who the people were that raced you clean and make a note to look for them in future races. It's not a guarantee that the race will be crash free of free from flaming, but your odds of a good race will improve. Paul On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:03:30 GMT, "G_Major" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>lol, its no problem. Part of learning to drive is learning to avoid the >wrecks. Alot of times I have won at Talladega by starting last, wait until >everyone wrecks and win... No kidding! Then people are like good win man >lol Im like drive better lol > >--g_major on TEN >--Team Oscar >-- http://drive.to/racehard (Personal site) >--"To finish a race first, you first must finish the race" > -- Mark Martin >

Well I have had a quite a good few races, it just struck me how hostile people become when they wreck. well go to the pits, get repairs and get on in. The fellow who crashed into you is likely to be damaged too, and you might even win a placement or two (love f1-games as well - a good pitstopstrategy is always nice to have) But stop telling people how stupid they are. If the y really are that stupi, the won't understand what you are talking about - If not it just reflects badly on yourself. Bottomline stop complaining about trivial matters. Nobody is listening. My two cents - and now back to the racing. See you there Bertel Bolt-J "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:48Hb5.28859$[email hidden]... > "Bertel Bolt-J�rgensen" <\\\[email hidden]///> wrote in message > news:RJzb5.619$[email hidden]... > > heard so much bitching about crashing than here. Because things are so > close > > wrecks can't be avoided, but it seems like theres always somebody, who >

Well, we almost had a thread without someone bringing up GPL. Maybe someday. 2_Slow

"Bertel Bolt-J�rgensen" <\\\[email hidden]///> wrote in message news:XiLb5.998$[email hidden]... > Well I have had a quite a good few races, it just struck me how hostile > people become when they wreck. well go to the pits, get repairs and get on Why would this surprise you? Real rece drivers routinely get very outraged at the other drivers. This "simulation" is not different. > in. The fellow who crashed into you is likely to be damaged too, and you That is why I have the damage off. Your penalty is spinning out and tangling with others. > might even win a placement or two (love f1-games as well - a good > pitstopstrategy is always nice to have) But stop telling people how stupid > they are. If the y really are that stupi, the won't understand what youare > talking about - If not it just reflects badly on yourself. Bottomline stop > complaining about trivial matters. Nobody is listening. Apparently you were and are listening :-) -- [email hidden]

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:48Hb5.28859$[email hidden]... > IMHO the online portion of N3 would be greatly enhanced if the host > were given the option to kick out the trouble makers in the race. > But that would probably bring up a new set of problems... Err, you can already do this by holding down the ALT key and then clicking the drivers name. We've only ever had cause to eject someone once before for intentionally taking out half the field and then telling us who his next target was!

It's kinda sad...whereas the attitude in VROC is GREAT, the attidute in WON sucks...it's obvious when you first go in, in VROC, most everyone uses either their real name or at least their first name...but on WON it's eArnHaRdT_rUlEz_049 or something of the sort. My guess is that since N3 is such an easy game compared to GPL, any 12 year old chump can get on and play it and act 12 years old on the net, having no respect for others or actual racing. However, few 12 year olds have even heard of GPL, and most of the ones who have can't drive it for beans, hence they never even bother looking up internet play. So the poor commercial success of GPL is kinda a blessing for us... -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] Bertel Bolt-J�rgensen <\\\[email hidden]///> wrote in message news:RJzb5.619$[email hidden]... > Just tried my first on-line race yesterday, had a "non online-version" of > the game for some time, but went out and bought it. > First off I must say it absolutely rocks. No one should cheat themselves > for the experience of a good race. Normally I would think that only > americans would find it amusing to go around in circles for hours, but the > traffic-management is really intense and more up close than the open wheel > racing on VROC. Maybe because here a little contact won't ruin you. But... > I must say that the attitude of many racers sucks bigtime. Never have I > heard so much bitching about crashing than here. Because things are so close > wrecks can't be avoided, but it seems like theres always somebody, who > thinks he is the next racing icon and he was wrecked, not because he > couldn't hold hes line and control hes brakes, but because the front runner > by pure evil jumped his hood, cousing them both to wreck. > Instead of getting the damage repaired and getting back into the race he > nows sits mid-lane on Talledega yelling obscenities at everybody whos still > racing. Get a Life. > > But all that aside I am going online again. Finishing in the first half > everytime (second once) on my first day really promotes interest. > By the way if "Major G" (I think that was the name) reads this, please > accept my apology for crashing you. But getting taken on the last few meters > was more than i could take. Then again I had no clue of just how slow i was > going with my overheated engine and how pretty damn fast you were clossing > in. Sorry. > > See you on the tracks (do it have to be Talledega everytime) > > Bertel Bolt-J > >

"Ian Cullen" <[email hidden][dot]uk> wrote in message news:8kpth5$kn4$[email hidden]...

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> > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:48Hb5.28859$[email hidden]... > > > IMHO the online portion of N3 would be greatly enhanced if the host > > were given the option to kick out the trouble makers in the race. > > But that would probably bring up a new set of problems... > > Err, you can already do this by holding down the ALT key and then clicking > the drivers name. We've only ever had cause to eject someone once before > for intentionally taking out half the field and then telling us who his

next > target was! Wow I never knew about this key. I will print this out and save it. Thanks :-) -- [email hidden]

Well I was about to mention VROC, which I love because its a strait to the race forum, with people mostly aware of what they are doing. Some messing up the, myselv included cause GPL is just so damn difficult. I just thing the N3 on-line gaming which comes "strait from the box" and is working rather well is a great initiative and you don't see that mentioned quite that often. I only found out with the latest patch and rushed out and bought the game, so I too can run around in cirkles with all the "southern gentlemen" :-) "Jim Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8kq50i$402$[email hidden]... > Well, we almost had a thread without someone bringing up GPL. Maybe > someday. > > 2_Slow > >

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote > Wow I never knew about this key. I will print this out and save it. > Thanks :-) It's all in the Readme.txt Greg. (There's much more) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Who has time for that? I want to get online and race! Hopefully I can in another month. -- [email hidden] "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cwdc5.113353$[email hidden]... > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Wow I never knew about this key. I will print this out and save it. > > Thanks :-) > > It's all in the Readme.txt Greg. (There's much more) > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

>After moving to the inside to let the drafting >lead bunch pass, I was complimented on my manners at the end. Thanks guys. I >won't be such a nice guy when I'm on the pace. You should of moved to the high side since I think most people run the low line. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote > Who has time for that? I want to get online and race! Good I haven't seen you yet online on WON (well I'm quite bored by N3 these days but still take some time to race a league and pickups). There is plenty of nice stuff they included in the patches that are written in the readme's. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

I tried WON last saturday for the first time. It was quite an interesting experience. I have heard that newbies are treated with contempt and that only those with a "reputation" get into the good races. People in chat seemed rather unresponsive to my efforts but not to be put off I went to seek out some action. This closed shop that I have heard about seemed to be reinforced by the number of passworded races. I clicked on about 10 races before actually finding one open to all. I'm glad to report that I did reasonably well for a newbie with no setups (using ace) and visiting tracks for the first time. On one short oval (I forget which one) I managed to finish a fighting third after a fantastic scrap with another driver, lasting about 15 laps. He was faster than me but liked scraping along the walls more than was healthy for him and the car <G> In a 45 lap Dega race, I qualified a lowly 23rd out of 29 but within a second of the poleman. A bloody awful start saw me shunted into the wall and I lost 2 laps in the pits whist repairs were effected. It was quite lonely after that. The thing that amazed me was that I managed to haul myself right back to ninth at the finish without ever passing one car on the track proper. People seemed not to be able to hold lines or keep it on track for more than 3 laps in a row. After moving to the inside to let the drafting lead bunch pass, I was complimented on my manners at the end. Thanks guys. I won't be such a nice guy when I'm on the pace. MS "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:S5tc5.90628$[email hidden]... > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Who has time for that? I want to get online and race! > > > Good I haven't seen you yet online on WON (well I'm quite bored by N3these > days but still take some time to race a league and pickups). > > There is plenty of nice stuff they included in the patches that arewritten

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> in the readme's. > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

damn... can't figure out why i am slowly buildin up a ridiculous urge to reinstall N3 now.... hmm mebbe if the urge holds off long enough for NH or N4 to be released.... LOL doubtful Martyn_D "m.seery" wrote:

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> I tried WON last saturday for the first time. It was quite an interesting > experience. > > I have heard that newbies are treated with contempt and that only those with > a "reputation" get into the good races. People in chat seemed rather > unresponsive to my efforts but not to be put off I went to seek out some > action. This closed shop that I have heard about seemed to be reinforced by > the number of passworded races. I clicked on about 10 races before actually > finding one open to all. > > I'm glad to report that I did reasonably well for a newbie with no setups > (using ace) and visiting tracks for the first time. On one short oval (I > forget which one) I managed to finish a fighting third after a fantastic > scrap with another driver, lasting about 15 laps. He was faster than me but > liked scraping along the walls more than was healthy for him and the car <G> > In a 45 lap Dega race, I qualified a lowly 23rd out of 29 but within a > second of the poleman. A bloody awful start saw me shunted into the wall and > I lost 2 laps in the pits whist repairs were effected. It was quite lonely > after that. The thing that amazed me was that I managed to haul myself right > back to ninth at the finish without ever passing one car on the track > proper. People seemed not to be able to hold lines or keep it on track for > more than 3 laps in a row. After moving to the inside to let the drafting > lead bunch pass, I was complimented on my manners at the end. Thanks guys. I > won't be such a nice guy when I'm on the pace. > > MS > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:S5tc5.90628$[email hidden]... > > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Who has time for that? I want to get online and race! > > > > > > Good I haven't seen you yet online on WON (well I'm quite bored by N3 > these > > days but still take some time to race a league and pickups). > > > > There is plenty of nice stuff they included in the patches that are > written > > in the readme's. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.WeRace.net > > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't > realise > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > > > >

>Was you there? > no >My mirrors clearly showed the train on the high side as they exited a turn. If they were high all through the turn and coming off then I can't see why you got flammed. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

>I never said I did get flamed. I said Others did. Go read the original post >! oops Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

Jesus, what does a guy have to do to please all the people all the time ? Was you there? I did what was appropriate at the time. My mirrors clearly showed the train on the high side as they exited a turn. since I was considerably slower as a result of running alone and out the draft I moved off the line that they had asumed so as not to impede their progress. Of course, all rookies are expected to be an expert on their first night aint they? Probably why I saw so many being flamed I guess. MS "Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >After moving to the inside to let the drafting > >lead bunch pass, I was complimented on my manners at the end. Thanksguys. I

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> >won't be such a nice guy when I'm on the pace. > > You should of moved to the high side since I think most people run the low > line. > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >

I never said I did get flamed. I said Others did. Go read the original post ! MS "Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Was you there? > > > > no > > >My mirrors clearly showed the train on the high side as they exited aturn. > > If they were high all through the turn and coming off then I can't see whyyou

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> got flammed. > > > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >

"m.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote > I tried WON last saturday for the first time. It was quite an interesting > experience. The thing with WON is simple. Within the poor racing you'll find a gem that will make you smile for the rest of the day. Had one last week. Disastrous league race, yet I raced an invite-type race (it's a mixture between a league and a pickup race, passworded race for gentlemens who want quality race without all those wreckers) where I finished second with a great fight for the leader almost all race long (50% Brickyard race). > I have heard that newbies are treated with contempt and that only thosewith > a "reputation" get into the good races. The problem is that for 1 good newbie there is half a dozen kids and wreckers on WON (the ration on TEN was less but still apparent). So indeed newbies are treated in a very harsh way. Many people think that if those newbies are indeed good drivers, they will raise easily and learn fast. > People in chat seemed rather > unresponsive to my efforts but not to be put off I went to seek out some > action. This closed shop that I have heard about seemed to be reinforcedby > the number of passworded races. I clicked on about 10 races beforeactually > finding one open to all. The community is still hanging up from the NROS disaster, so many veterans and quality drivers have hidden themselves in the hundreds of leagues that are hosten on WON. To help, ALPHA is the arena with pickups, and you will find pickups in the ECHO arena normally around 8-9pm EST. > I'm glad to report that I did reasonably well for a newbie with no setups > (using ace) and visiting tracks for the first time. On one short oval (I > forget which one) I managed to finish a fighting third after a fantastic > scrap with another driver, lasting about 15 laps. He was faster than mebut > liked scraping along the walls more than was healthy for him and the car<G> > In a 45 lap Dega race, I qualified a lowly 23rd out of 29 but within a > second of the poleman. A bloody awful start saw me shunted into the walland > I lost 2 laps in the pits whist repairs were effected. It was quite lonely > after that. The thing that amazed me was that I managed to haul myselfright > back to ninth at the finish without ever passing one car on the track > proper. People seemed not to be able to hold lines or keep it on track for > more than 3 laps in a row. After moving to the inside to let the drafting > lead bunch pass, I was complimented on my manners at the end. Thanks guys.I > won't be such a nice guy when I'm on the pace. Hehe good story ;) Btw you'll be surprised how fast ACE is. Many people (including me!) use ACE only and I'm easily able to keep the leader pace (or lead myself) in a good majority of races. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Thanks Frank. I'll keep my eye out in Apha. Maybe you could put a word in for me with the passworded invite races if you see me online ;-) I ntend to be around most weekends now and have joined a European league. MS