GP3, rips, and full cd

Having followed the warez scene for a while now, one thing I've noticed is that there is almost never any difference between the warez pre-release and the finished version that I have purchased. As much as the publishers would like the consumer to belive they are still working on the code during the delay between the warez release and the actual release a few days or weeks later, it doesn't happen. The ISO is out today and I'm sure its the same as the final. GP3 will not be changing, until the first patch that is. ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

I hear hasbro doesn't do patches, if that's the case this game will go back on the shelf for a lot of people. Vintook "bababooie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Having followed the warez scene for a while now, one thing I've > noticed is that there is almost never any difference between the > warez pre-release and the finished version that I have > purchased. As much as the publishers would like the consumer to > belive they are still working on the code during the delay > between the warez release and the actual release a few days or > weeks later, it doesn't happen. > The ISO is out today and I'm sure its the same as the final. GP3 > will not be changing, until the first patch that is. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com >

Your memory serves you incorrectly. GP2 was a full-ticket game for more than a year in a lot of markets. And it sold well at that price. I bought my copy in the summer of 1997 for full price, with nary a bargain issue to be seen. I have also noticed that it continued to move off the shelves at almost full price even late last year (based on my informal surveying techniques while visiting my local shop in Zuerich from time to time). Stephen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:36:26 GMT, [email hidden] (Jo Helsen) > thus spoke: > > > >And look how BADLY it sold and how absolutely unsatisfied all the > >buyers were! > > > >JoH > > > > That's why it was in the bargain bins within two months of release (if > memory serves me correctly) and there where many complaints about > GP2's shortcomings and lack of even a rudimentary patch. > -- > Nos

Your memory serves you incorrectly. GP2 was a full-ticket game for more than a year in a lot of markets almost three years in Switzerland. And it sold well at that price. I bought my copy in the summer of 1997 for full price, with nary a bargain issue to be seen. I have also noticed that it continued to move off the shelves at full price even late last year (based on my informal surveying techniques while visiting my local shop in Zuerich from time to time). Stephen

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:36:26 GMT, [email hidden] (Jo Helsen) wrote: >And look how BADLY it sold and how absolutely unsatisfied all the >buyers were! Hehe. But seriously, you'd think with the huge finacial success GP2 was, the budget for GP3 would have been somewhat higher than it appears to be, with the small number of improvements. Oh well, we'll never know. GC doesn't talk to his fans, I wonder whether he even looked at some input from the user base. What I do know (from some interview) is that he never looked at any competitors product, and it shows, unfortunately. Blaze

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:22:01 GMT, SKurj <[email hidden]> wrote: >And if a patch is released it will most likely render all the warez versions >useless, or at least useless for multiplayer if it ever works... Hehe, if it ever works , that's right. :-) But remember, even patches get "warez'ed". Blaze

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:38:01 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Are you finding it to be bug-ridden, because it seems pretty much bug free >for me. I hear that Hasbro has at least admitted the control setup problem for 3-axis wheels/sticks, which is also in the final version that mags got for their reviews. A patch is being worked on, they say. Remember, you heard it on the Usenet so it must be true! ;-) Blaze

Are you finding it to be bug-ridden, because it seems pretty much bug free for me. That could just be down to having different hardware though.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:29:40 GMT, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I hear hasbro doesn't do patches, if that's the case this game will go back >on the shelf for a lot of people. GP2 was never patched either. -- Nos

And if a patch is released it will most likely render all the warez versions useless, or at least useless for multiplayer if it ever works... Martyn_D Jan Loebzien wrote:

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> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:38:01 GMT, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Are you finding it to be bug-ridden, because it seems pretty much bug free > >for me. > > I hear that Hasbro has at least admitted the control setup problem > for 3-axis wheels/sticks, which is also in the final version that mags > got for their reviews. A patch is being worked on, they say. > > Remember, you heard it on the Usenet so it must be true! ;-) > > Blaze

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:18:31 +0200, Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I hear that Hasbro has at least admitted the control setup problem >for 3-axis wheels/sticks, which is also in the final version that mags >got for their reviews. A patch is being worked on, they say. Geez, all Crammond had to do was use Directx joystick drivers instead of his own and we would have had support for every button and axis. -- Nos

spoke: GP2 was never patched either. -- Nos

thus spoke: That's why it was in the bargain bins within two months of release (if memory serves me correctly) and there where many complaints about GP2's shortcomings and lack of even a rudimentary patch. -- Nos

[email hidden] wrote: > > Geez, all Crammond had to do was use Directx joystick drivers instead > of his own and we would have had support for every button and axis. Close, but MS drivers still don't know what to do if you have only one axis on JoyA and two on JoyB as was the case with my homemade wheel and CH pedals setup, I propose they use Papy's drivers instead..... Strange though, my old setup worked like a charm in DOS, there's progress for you Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:08:38 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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>On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:29:40 GMT, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> thus >spoke: > >>I hear hasbro doesn't do patches, if that's the case this game will go back >>on the shelf for a lot of people. > >GP2 was never patched either.

And look how BADLY it sold and how absolutely unsatisfied all the buyers were! JoH

well in a few cases the patch gets warezd, but not very often in my experience.. Martyn_D Jan Loebzien wrote:

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> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:22:01 GMT, SKurj <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >And if a patch is released it will most likely render all the warez versions > >useless, or at least useless for multiplayer if it ever works... > > Hehe, if it ever works , that's right. :-) > But remember, even patches get "warez'ed". > > Blaze

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:36:26 GMT, [email hidden] (Jo Helsen) thus spoke: >And look how BADLY it sold and how absolutely unsatisfied all the >buyers were! > >JoH > That's why it was in the bargain bins within two months of release (if memory serves me correctly) and there where many complaints about GP2's shortcomings and lack of even a rudimentary patch. -- Nos

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:50:50 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > > >"Zurich" was in the main text of my note, as in "I looked in my localshop > >in Zurich". I'm only having some fun here. Considering I wrote aperfectly > >honest note about the price I paid for the game, I was rather surprisedto

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> >be called "dumbass". > > > >Stephen > > Well, I guess I missed the Zurich part. But, it's irrelevant to the > conversation at hand anyway. You're a dumbass because you contradicted > me and said it was sold at full price and then you tell me you bought > it in Canada in '97 at what I can guarantee you is a reduced price. > You actually proved my point. Thx. :-) >

The price of Longbow was also irrelevant as there is no relationship between the debut price of two different software products. Actually, I'd say you were the one down a few points on the IQ scale for spending 90 bucks to buy Longbow. And by the way, you contradicted yourself. I didn't have to help you. First you said: >That's why it was in the bargain bins within two months of >release (if memory serves me correctly) and there where many >complaints about GP2's shortcomings and lack of even a >rudimentary patch. To which my original reply was simply that I had seen it on the regular shelves, in Future Shop, for substantially more than "bargain" titles. But then later you said: >GP2 was not bargain bin fodder, but it was reduced in price very quickly. >I know this is fact because I remember seeing many people saying they got >it at lower than average price not long after it was released. So make up your mind then. Of course it's all trivial, but a "dumbass" cannot go unchallenged. As for the validity of our statistical surveying methods, I poked my nose into shops in a half dozen countries while looking for time-killing games during boring conferences and actually saw what was o ne the shelf, especially in racing games. You, on the other hand, "remember seeing many people saying" something or another. Yadda yadda yadda. I hope you at least heard them saying it as well. mit freundlichen Gr�ssen Stephen p.s. (to the others, yes I am familiar with NOS's characteristic posting style)

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:30:34 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >I bought GP2 at a Future Shop in Toronto, Canada summer of 1997, fo abour45 > >bucks (after combing the town to find a copy). Zurich is inSwitzerland...

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> >get an atlas some time. There is life beyond the Great White North. > > > >Stephen > > It was $39.95 at FS, add 14-15% (depending on what province) and you > have $45.50. Guess what dumbass? $39.95 *is* a reduced price. Most > games sell for $60.00 or so here. It was reduced in price so quickly > because the game was unfinished at time of release. It is *still* > unfinished. Where are the other car sounds for example? > --

In 1997? "Budget" releases are 20 buck items. Top level games might have been released at 60 dollars maximum in 1997. Racing games were priced in the 40-50 dollar price range. Yours respectfully Dumbass You know... the guy from Zurich, Chile

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> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:21:05 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > > >You know... the guy from Zurich, Chile > > Didn't see any Zurich in the headers. Saw a "ch" suffix which I > incorrectly guessed might be Chile. Get over it already.

"Zurich" was in the main text of my note, as in "I looked in my local shop in Zurich". I'm only having some fun here. Considering I wrote a perfectly honest note about the price I paid for the game, I was rather surprised to be called "dumbass". Stephen

I bought GP2 at a Future Shop in Toronto, Canada summer of 1997, fo abour 45 bucks (after combing the town to find a copy). Zurich is in Switzerland... get an atlas some time. There is life beyond the Great White North. Stephen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:36:56 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >Your memory serves you incorrectly. GP2 was a full-ticket game for more > >than a year in a lot of markets. And it sold well at that price. Ibought > >my copy in the summer of 1997 for full price, with nary a bargain issueto > >be seen. I have also noticed that it continued to move off the shelvesat

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> >almost full price even late last year (based on my informal surveying > >techniques while visiting my local shop in Zuerich from time to time). > > > >Stephen > > In what country isn that? Chili? In Canada I bought it at a reduced > price only 2-3 months after it's release. > -- > Nos

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:36:56 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>Your memory serves you incorrectly. GP2 was a full-ticket game for more >than a year in a lot of markets. And it sold well at that price. I bought >my copy in the summer of 1997 for full price, with nary a bargain issue to >be seen. I have also noticed that it continued to move off the shelves at >almost full price even late last year (based on my informal surveying >techniques while visiting my local shop in Zuerich from time to time). > >Stephen

In what country isn that? Chili? In Canada I bought it at a reduced price only 2-3 months after it's release. -- Nos

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:30:34 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I bought GP2 at a Future Shop in Toronto, Canada summer of 1997, fo abour 45 >bucks (after combing the town to find a copy). Zurich is in Switzerland... >get an atlas some time. There is life beyond the Great White North. > >Stephen It was $39.95 at FS, add 14-15% (depending on what province) and you have $45.50. Guess what dumbass? $39.95 *is* a reduced price. Most games sell for $60.00 or so here. It was reduced in price so quickly because the game was unfinished at time of release. It is *still* unfinished. Where are the other car sounds for example? -- Nos

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:21:05 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >In 1997? "Budget" releases are 20 buck items. Top level games might have >been released at 60 dollars maximum in 1997. Racing games were priced in >the 40-50 dollar price range. No. Game prices have actually dropped since 1997. I payed $90.00 after taxes for Longbow when it was first released. No way would I pay that price today. GP2 was not bargain bin fodder, but it was reduced in price very quickly. I know this is fact because I remember seeing many people saying they got it at lower than average price not long after it was released. >You know... the guy from Zurich, Chile Didn't see any Zurich in the headers. Saw a "ch" suffix which I incorrectly guessed might be Chile. Get over it already. -- Nos

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:36:56 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" In what country isn that? Chili? In Canada I bought it at a reduced price only 2-3 months after it's release. -- Nos

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:30:34 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" It was $39.95 at FS, add 14-15% (depending on what province) and you have $45.50. Guess what dumbass? $39.95 *is* a reduced price. Most games sell for $60.00 or so here. It was reduced in price so quickly because the game was unfinished at time of release. It is *still* unfinished. Where are the other car sounds for example? -- Nos

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:50:50 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson"

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>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:21:05 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" >> >You know... the guy from Zurich, Chile >> Didn't see any Zurich in the headers. Saw a "ch" suffix which I >> incorrectly guessed might be Chile. Get over it already. >"Zurich" was in the main text of my note, as in "I looked in my local shop >in Zurich". I'm only having some fun here. Considering I wrote a perfectly >honest note about the price I paid for the game, I was rather surprised to >be called "dumbass".

Lucky you didn't meet Greg!! If HE would say such a thing it would probably be intended as "flattering" <G> JoH

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:50:50 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" Well, I guess I missed the Zurich part. But, it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand anyway. You're a dumbass because you contradicted me and said it was sold at full price and then you tell me you bought it in Canada in '97 at what I can guarantee you is a reduced price. You actually proved my point. Thx. :-) -- Nos

Yes it would. Dumbass ;-) --

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:50:50 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >"Zurich" was in the main text of my note, as in "I looked in my local shop >in Zurich". I'm only having some fun here. Considering I wrote a perfectly >honest note about the price I paid for the game, I was rather surprised to >be called "dumbass". > >Stephen Well, I guess I missed the Zurich part. But, it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand anyway. You're a dumbass because you contradicted me and said it was sold at full price and then you tell me you bought it in Canada in '97 at what I can guarantee you is a reduced price. You actually proved my point. Thx. :-) -- Nos

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:50:50 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> ><[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:21:05 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" >> <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >> >> >> >> >You know... the guy from Zurich, Chile >> >> Didn't see any Zurich in the headers. Saw a "ch" suffix which I >> incorrectly guessed might be Chile. Get over it already. > >"Zurich" was in the main text of my note, as in "I looked in my local shop >in Zurich". I'm only having some fun here. Considering I wrote a perfectly >honest note about the price I paid for the game, I was rather surprised to >be called "dumbass".

Lucky you didn't meet Greg!! If HE would say such a thing it would probably be intended as "flattering" <G> JoH

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:41:43 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: <snipped your forked tongue verbage due to the fact nothing was worthy of a reply> So you still think that $45.00 you paid was full price? Duh. -- Nos

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:41:43 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > <snipped your forked tongue verbage due to the fact nothing was worthy > of a reply> And yet you replied. I'm flattered. > So you still think that $45.00 you paid was full price? Duh. I certainly don't think it was "bargain bin" material even more than a year after its release, which means the game had staying power, in contrast to your statement that it was a bug-written, steaming turd which cannonballed straight into the cast-off bin within 16 picoseconds of its release. And yes, $45 was a full price for new titles at a lot of the software shops in Kingston and Toronto in the summer of 97. Maybe you should shop around a little, Nos, or make better use of your prognosticating powers, although it seems you missed on the last half dozen "end of the earth" scenarios. Anyway, you were right that this has veered wayyyy off topic, so I'll close now, but of course you are welcome to have the last word. Stephen

"Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >"Zurich" was in the main text of my note, as in "I looked in my localshop > >in Zurich". I'm only having some fun here. Considering I wrote aperfectly > >honest note about the price I paid for the game, I was rather surprisedto > >be called "dumbass". > > Lucky you didn't meet Greg!! If HE would say such a thing it would > probably be intended as "flattering" <G> Yes it would. Dumbass ;-) -- [email hidden]

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:08:45 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I certainly don't think it was "bargain bin" material even more than a year >after its release, which means the game had staying power, in contrast to >your statement that it was a bug-written, steaming turd which cannonballed >straight into the cast-off bin within 16 picoseconds of its release. I never said that and I certainly never meant it to be taken that way. I quite liked GP2, even though it was released missing some features and ran like crap unless you tunred off lots of details. What I am saying is that it was reduced in price quite quickly by Microprose because they knew it was an unfinished product. GP2 was supposed to have wet weather racing for one thing, but never made it to final. > And >yes, $45 was a full price for new titles at a lot of the software shops in >Kingston and Toronto in the summer of 97. Nope. Average price for a game back then was $60-$70, sometimes more. $45.00 U.S. dollars maybe, but not Canadian. > Maybe you should shop around a >little, Nos, or make better use of your prognosticating powers, although it >seems you missed on the last half dozen "end of the earth" scenarios. I shop at many places and know current prices very well, just as I did back in '97. It seems *you* are the one with the faulty memory. Don't contradict people if you can't remember the facts. >Anyway, you were right that this has veered wayyyy off topic, so I'll close >now, but of course you are welcome to have the last word. Thankyou Stephen. I would like to take this opportunity to say in my closing statement that I wish you and yours all the best. :-) -- Nos

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:50:07 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >"Zurich" was in the main text of my note, as in "I looked in my local >shop >> >in Zurich". I'm only having some fun here. Considering I wrote a >perfectly >> >honest note about the price I paid for the game, I was rather surprised >to >> >be called "dumbass". >> >> Lucky you didn't meet Greg!! If HE would say such a thing it would >> probably be intended as "flattering" <G> > >Yes it would. Dumbass ;-)

Thanks, Greg! I appreciate that. ;-) JoH

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:09:16 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >In what country isn that? Chili? In Canada I bought it at a reduced >price only 2-3 months after it's release. Well, that definitely DIDN't happen in the UK. It stayed full price for ages b4 becoming a budget title Cheers.....Ken

"Ken Barrow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:09:16 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > > >In what country isn that? Chili? In Canada I bought it at a reduced > >price only 2-3 months after it's release. > > Well, that definitely DIDN't happen in the UK. It stayed full price > for ages b4 becoming a budget title > > Cheers.....Ken >

Thank you for the confirmation. Stephen

On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:50:30 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Thank you for the confirmation. > >Stephen It's also a well known fact that the UK pays too much for everything. I'm from the UK. -- Nos