Re: Gp3 is a big shit

So producing "shit" software is ok, as long as you do it regularly? "EldredP" wrote > Maybe because Papyrus didn't take 4 years between programs?

Well, blah blah rationalization blah, N3 still has some of the same problems we've complained about since NASCAR 1 (still no I in the AI after 5 years, just to name one), and GP3 also has some new features (weather) that were not in GP2, so both of those arguments go directly out of the window. After the "commitment to the cause" (GPL) turned out to be a financial failure, there is no way I could see Hasbro giving Crammond a blank check to do everything he wanted in GP3. Revolutionary games like GPL aren't going to be published anymore after that disaster, so they will have to evolve in stages like the NASCAR series has. Crammond is releasing stage 2 now, finally, and hopefully if GP3 sells well he will be able to give us the sim we all want in stage 3 with GP4. I just think we need to stop acting like spoiled brats because we didn't get everything we wanted right now. Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > But we got better 3D support, FF, some new tracks (don't know ifthey were > in the expansion packs for N2/N99, those weren't on sale here), bodyroll > and various tweaks (and this is important) requested by it's userbase. When > the released version showed problems various issues were patched.Two > things, the sense of dialog with the creator and the patching, whichare not > present with Crammond products so far. Furthermore Papyrus hadalready > proved to be "committed to the cause" (for want of a betterexpression <g>) > by releasing GPL and N3 was and is still the best Nascar sim aroundby quite > a margin. The latter might change dramatically in the near future.

Don't confuse these people by saying it has 3D graphics. Almost all the graphics in the game are poor 2D bitmaps. It's GP2 with a poorly implemented Direct 3D rasterizer. I do agree with you, it does look like a bad PSX game. What a shame.

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>Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game , no >physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really >frustrating after waiting so long. > >about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose >team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys >This game is a shame ! > >Jean > >

Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game , no physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really frustrating after waiting so long. about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys This game is a shame ! Jean

"jean.claude.gallon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lkrgk$1jr5$[email hidden]... > Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game , no > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really > frustrating after waiting so long. > > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the young and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their deadlines are too tight. GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in the credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is probably working on GP4 while others put out this "patch". We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3, Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR 4. So why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond? They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it, and EA couldn't do it if they wanted to.

Tracey, Maybe my message sounds a little excessive , but it's something like a "Chagrin d'amour" in french . I played and liked so much GP2 a few years ago than I was expecting a lot from Geoff 's team and deception is so big !!!! I really think than passion is the most important in this kind of games and not only money easily won. GP2 was a masterpiece , GP3 is an hoax... Jean Tracey Miller <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : DMmf5.1840$[email hidden]... > "jean.claude.gallon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8lkrgk$1jr5$[email hidden]... > > Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game ,no

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> > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really > > frustrating after waiting so long. > > > > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose > > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys > > That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the young > and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their > deadlines are too tight. > > GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in the > credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is probably > working on GP4 while others put out this "patch". > > We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3, > Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR 4. So > why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond? > > They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the > ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it,

and > EA couldn't do it if they wanted to. > > > >

jean.claude.gallon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lkrgk$1jr5$[email hidden]...

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> Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game , no > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really > frustrating after waiting so long. > > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys > This game is a shame ! > > Jean >

Lol! Have you ever actually played a PSX F1 game..... now thats lame.

Believe me, I understand *exactly* how you feel, because I felt the same way about NASCAR 3, it was a huge disappointment to me after they set the expectations at the "GPL physics" level. But I was bashed and called a troll for expressing those feelings. People said things like "yeah, it may be just another N2 patch but Papy can use the money for making N4". But now when Crammond releases a less than revolutionary sim, everyone says "don't buy it, warez it, they don't deserve a dime!" Why does RAS have a different set of standards for Papyrus than for all the other developers? "jean.claude.gallon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lktvi$1eea$[email hidden]... > Tracey, > > Maybe my message sounds a little excessive , but it's something like a > "Chagrin d'amour" in french . I played and liked so much GP2 a few yearsago > than I was expecting a lot from Geoff 's team and deception is so big !!!! > I really think than passion is the most important in this kind of gamesand

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> not only money easily won. GP2 was a masterpiece , GP3 is an hoax... > > Jean > > > > Tracey Miller <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : > DMmf5.1840$[email hidden]... > > "jean.claude.gallon" <[email hidden]> wrote in

message > > news:8lkrgk$1jr5$[email hidden]... > > > Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game,

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> no > > > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really > > > frustrating after waiting so long. > > > > > > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose > > > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys > > > > That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the

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> > and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their > > deadlines are too tight. > > > > GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in the > > credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is probably > > working on GP4 while others put out this "patch". > > > > We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3, > > Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR 4.

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> > why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond? > > > > They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the > > ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it, > and > > EA couldn't do it if they wanted to. > > > > > > > > > >

Man, finally someone said it! Strangely reminescent of Papyrus and Nascar games. N3 is just a rehash of an old game, with better graphics. I still like it and enjoy playing with it. I think of GP3 in the same way now. Tracey Miller wrote:

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> > "jean.claude.gallon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8lkrgk$1jr5$[email hidden]... > > Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game , no > > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really > > frustrating after waiting so long. > > > > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose > > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys > > That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the young > and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their > deadlines are too tight. > > GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in the > credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is probably > working on GP4 while others put out this "patch". > > We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3, > Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR 4. So > why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond? > > They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the > ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it, and > EA couldn't do it if they wanted to.

-- Philippe Sergerie ICQ#: 16192023

Totally agree. Tracey Miller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jAnf5.1848$[email hidden]... > Believe me, I understand *exactly* how you feel, because I felt the sameway > about NASCAR 3, it was a huge disappointment to me after they set the > expectations at the "GPL physics" level. But I was bashed and called a > troll for expressing those feelings. > > People said things like "yeah, it may be just another N2 patch but Papycan > use the money for making N4". But now when Crammond releases a less than > revolutionary sim, everyone says "don't buy it, warez it, they don'tdeserve > a dime!" > > Why does RAS have a different set of standards for Papyrus than for allthe

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> other developers? > > > > > "jean.claude.gallon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8lktvi$1eea$[email hidden]... > > Tracey, > > > > Maybe my message sounds a little excessive , but it's something like a > > "Chagrin d'amour" in french . I played and liked so much GP2 a few years > ago > > than I was expecting a lot from Geoff 's team and deception is so big

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> > I really think than passion is the most important in this kind of games > and > > not only money easily won. GP2 was a masterpiece , GP3 is an hoax... > > > > Jean > > > > > > > > Tracey Miller <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : > > DMmf5.1840$[email hidden]... > > > "jean.claude.gallon" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > > news:8lkrgk$1jr5$[email hidden]... > > > > Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX

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> , > > no > > > > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really > > > > frustrating after waiting so long. > > > > > > > > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose > > > > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys > > > > > > That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the > young > > > and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if

their > > > deadlines are too tight. > > > > > > GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up inthe > > > credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond isprobably > > > working on GP4 while others put out this "patch". > > > > > > We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3, > > > Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR4. > So > > > why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond? > > > > > > They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the > > > ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to doit,

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> > and > > > EA couldn't do it if they wanted to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

odd - my psx hasn't been able to do 1280x1024-24bit color yet - how did you get yours to do that? :) In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Don't confuse these people by saying it has 3D graphics. Almost all > the graphics in the game are poor 2D bitmaps. It's GP2 with a poorly > implemented Direct 3D rasterizer. I do agree with you, it does look > like a bad PSX game. What a shame. > > >Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game , no > >physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really > >frustrating after waiting so long. > > > >about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose > >team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys > >This game is a shame ! > > > >Jean > > > > > >

"Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Man, finally someone said it! Strangely reminescent of Papyrus and > Nascar games. N3 is just a rehash of an old game, with better graphics. > I still like it and enjoy playing with it. I think of GP3 in the same > way now. Nascar2 and N1999 did not have the online WON.NET capabilities that N3 has. N3 also has great FF support and is fully W98 compliant. N1999 was not. N3 is a very large step in several areas compared to N2/N1999. -- [email hidden]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:39:15 -0400 Philster <[email hidden]> wrote: % Man, finally someone said it! Strangely reminescent of Papyrus and % Nascar games. N3 is just a rehash of an old game, with better graphics. % I still like it and enjoy playing with it. I think of GP3 in the same % way now. Built in Internet play was added as well... which was a big improvment over N2 (though it still needs some work). -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

That was the point I was trying to make. N3 has the same basic physics and graphic engines, but also has some improvements. Greg Cisko wrote:

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> > "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Man, finally someone said it! Strangely reminescent of Papyrus and > > Nascar games. N3 is just a rehash of an old game, with better graphics. > > I still like it and enjoy playing with it. I think of GP3 in the same > > way now. > > Nascar2 and N1999 did not have the online WON.NET capabilities > that N3 has. N3 also has great FF support and is fully W98 compliant. > N1999 was not. N3 is a very large step in several areas compared to > N2/N1999. > > -- > > [email hidden]

-- Philippe Sergerie ICQ#: 16192023

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:03:39 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Interesting question and one I didn't initially ask myself... I was >disappointed Sierra/Papyrus made N3 an intermediate release instead of the >first in the series to use the "new" simulation engine also features in GPL. I was so disappointed that I never bought it, and still haven't. Nor NASCAR Legends based upon the same engine. Those are the first "sims" that I haven't bought (yep, even including CPR....!). I think my disappointment was heightened by the fact that I had tried the "GPL" version of NASCAR some time before that and _loved_ it, and to go back to the same old "N2" version seemed such a massive backward step from what had been developed up to that point. I'm sure the decisions were made for the correct reasons at the time, but doesnt mean I have to like them or finance them. >But we got better 3D support, FF, some new tracks (don't know if they were >in the expansion packs for N2/N99, those weren't on sale here), body roll >and various tweaks (and this is important) requested by it's user base. We got better 3D support, FF and new tracks _free_ with GPL. It's all down to definition, but by my estimation such things are an incremental improvement, a patch or at best an add-on pack. They don't consitute a whole new product. Of course anything is possible, I've seen the FIFA soccer game sold now many times over with a different number on the end and some new features, but if you soil your market with many releases of questionable value and/or difficult to distinguish from the previous one you will pay a penalty at some point in the future. Cheers! John

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:25:45 GMT, OpenGL <[email hidden]> wrote: >odd - my psx hasn't been able to do 1280x1024-24bit color yet - how did >you get yours to do that? Four PSX's.... John

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 06:15:19 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Tracey Miller" <[email hidden]> wrote >> That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the young >> and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their >> deadlines are too tight. > >But Tracey, is 4 years too tight for a deadline? Crammond said he started >working on the title 3months after GP2's release, if we trust his words >(yeah right!). > >> They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the >> ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it, >and >> EA couldn't do it if they wanted to. > >Nice conspiracy theory. But seeing how low-key GC is (not caring about his >customers at all), and how "Derek Smartist" he is, your story could be true.

OMG....LOL!!! Ahhhhhh ....noooo...Not Derek Smart......hehehehe Damn...maybe he IS Crammond in disguise...LOL

In article <397e69a1$0$72396$[email hidden]>, "Tracey A Miller" <[email hidden]> writes: >So producing "shit" software is ok, as long as you do it regularly? > >"EldredP" wrote >> Maybe because Papyrus didn't take 4 years between programs? > I didn't say that. The question was, why are people giving Crammond so much more grief than they gave Papyrus. I offered one suggestion. And, if you remember correctly, people WERE pissed at the 'incremental' approach to Nascar 2-3, and the CTS, etc. I wasn't going to buy N3 until the price came down. I don't have force feedback, and the graphics 'extras' that people said were in it just wasn't worth paying full price IMO. I ended up buying it because someone created a benefit *I* wanted - I could convert the tracks to GPL. No, it's NEVER ok to create "shit" software. Some people's definition of that are different than others... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Interesting question and one I didn't initially ask myself... I was disappointed Sierra/Papyrus made N3 an intermediate release instead of the first in the series to use the "new" simulation engine also features in GPL. But we got better 3D support, FF, some new tracks (don't know if they were in the expansion packs for N2/N99, those weren't on sale here), body roll and various tweaks (and this is important) requested by it's user base. When the released version showed problems various issues were patched. Two things, the sense of dialog with the creator and the patching, which are not present with Crammond products so far. Furthermore Papyrus had already proved to be "committed to the cause" (for want of a better expression <g>) by releasing GPL and N3 was and is still the best Nascar sim around by quite a margin. The latter might change dramatically in the near future. Crammond seems oblivious of what simracing has evolved into after he released GP2 (which was good for it's day). His track record of non-commitment to the user and this half-hearted update which still sports numerous shortcomings people were grumbling about since Gp2 started to age give him zero credit with me for his next release. I would very much like to see him bounce back with a future release, but from what we know of the current planning at Hasbro-Microprose it doesn't look good, IMO. So, in summary, if Papyrus really gets more credit in this group than any other developer, it's because they've worked harder at maintaining their relation with it. Jan. =--- Tracey Miller wrote... > <snip> > Why does RAS have a different set of standards for > Papyrus than for all the other developers?<snip>

They do take big dumps... (horses) Jan. ;-) =--- rrevved wrote... > <snip> > Horseshit.

In article <DMmf5.1840$[email hidden]>, "Tracey Miller" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>GP3 is probably just like N3, Kaemmer's name doesn't even show up in the >credits for N3 as he was already working on N4, and Crammond is probably >working on GP4 while others put out this "patch". > >We put up with 5 different patches from Papyrus (BGN, 99, CTS, N3, >Legends) - sold to us as games or add ons - while we wait for NASCAR 4. So >why can't we accept one minor upgrade release from Crammond? >

Maybe because Papyrus didn't take 4 years between programs? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lkvuj$nlg$[email hidden]... > > jean.claude.gallon <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8lkrgk$1jr5$[email hidden]... > > Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game ,no

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> > physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really > > frustrating after waiting so long. > > > > about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose > > team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys > > This game is a shame ! > > > > Jean > > > > Lol! Have you ever actually played a PSX F1 game..... now thats lame. > >

GP3 looks great on my system. Having gone back to GPL tonight (which I love) for a few laps, for the first time it seemed pretty creaky after playing GP3 these last few days. Johnny.

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:38:16 -0500 Tracey A Miller <[email hidden]> wrote: % Crammond is releasing stage 2 now, finally, and hopefully if GP3 sells % well he will be able to give us the sim we all want in stage 3 with % GP4. I just think we need to stop acting like spoiled brats because we % didn't get everything we wanted right now. Don't hold your breath.... this does not appear to be in the cards according to Hasbro's press releases.... We will see minor updates to cars/tracks/drivers etc. They may work on turning on some of the still missing features (pit radio communication, etc.). But I don't foresee a major re-write of the code until the current licenses run out. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Could you expand on that please?

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> They do take big dumps... (horses) > > Jan. ;-) > =--- > rrevved wrote... > > <snip> > > Horseshit. > >

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:32:04 -0500, "Tracey Miller" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >and >EA couldn't do it if they wanted to. We'll see about that. -- Nos

"Tracey Miller" <[email hidden]> wrote > That's odd, your description sounds reminiscent of NASCAR 99 by the young > and energetic guys of Papyrus. Any company can make a bad game if their > deadlines are too tight. But Tracey, is 4 years too tight for a deadline? Crammond said he started working on the title 3months after GP2's release, if we trust his words (yeah right!). > They have to get some revenue coming in if he is going to give us the > ultimate modern F1 sim we are waiting for; Papyrus isn't going to do it,and > EA couldn't do it if they wanted to. Nice conspiracy theory. But seeing how low-key GC is (not caring about his customers at all), and how "Derek Smartist" he is, your story could be true. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Tracey Miller" <[email hidden]> wrote > Believe me, I understand *exactly* how you feel, because I felt the sameway > about NASCAR 3, it was a huge disappointment to me after they set the > expectations at the "GPL physics" level. But I was bashed and called a > troll for expressing those feelings. Who bashed you? We all were quite pissed off when Papyrus decided to not put the new game engine in Nascar Racing 3. It was pretty much a concensus that it was a dissapointment. Of course some people have different opinions? Can you accept that and not put everybody in the same basket? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:42:47 GMT, "Michael E. Carver" [email hidden] wrote:

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>On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:38:16 -0500 Tracey A Miller <[email hidden]> wrote: > >% Crammond is releasing stage 2 now, finally, and hopefully if GP3 sells >% well he will be able to give us the sim we all want in stage 3 with >% GP4. I just think we need to stop acting like spoiled brats because we >% didn't get everything we wanted right now. > >Don't hold your breath.... this does not appear to be in the cards >according to Hasbro's press releases.... We will see minor updates to >cars/tracks/drivers etc. They may work on turning on some of the still >missing features (pit radio communication, etc.). But I don't foresee a >major re-write of the code until the current licenses run out.

I agree. Regardless wether I will be happy with GP3 or not (personally i think I will), it doesn't look good for people who expect a total rewrite of some of the core aspects of GP3 in GP4/5. JoH

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:02:13 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:49:31 -0400, MaX <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Don't confuse these people by saying it has 3D graphics. Almost all >>the graphics in the game are poor 2D bitmaps. It's GP2 with a poorly >>implemented Direct 3D rasterizer. I do agree with you, it does look >>like a bad PSX game. What a shame. >> > >They kicked you off of the web forum?

And sadly he found out that r.a.s. isn't moderated so it can't happen to him here.... JoH

They do take big dumps... (horses) Jan. ;-) =---

Could you expand on that please?

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:32:04 -0500, "Tracey Miller" We'll see about that. -- Nos

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:25:45 GMT, OpenGL <[email hidden]> wrote: >odd - my psx hasn't been able to do 1280x1024-24bit color yet - how did >you get yours to do that? > > :) Can't Bleem do this? ;-)

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >says... >> Don't confuse these people by saying it has 3D graphics. Almost all >> the graphics in the game are poor 2D bitmaps. It's GP2 with a poorly >> implemented Direct 3D rasterizer. I do agree with you, it does look >> like a bad PSX game. What a shame. >> >> >Save your money and don't buy this big crap, it's only a bad PSX game , no >> >physics , only GP2 + 3D graphics and rain : that's all ......really >> >frustrating after waiting so long. >> > >> >about racing sims it seems that creativity has deserted microprose >> >team.Geoff looks very old and tired compared to Papyrus guys >> >This game is a shame ! >> > >> >Jean >> > >> > >> >>

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In article <jTXf5.2007$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I don't know where that message appeared on your news reader, but on mine it >is shown right under the message I'm replying to and indented once. If it's >just appeared on it's own in the middle on nowhere, that's because you >haven't downloaded the header of the message I'm replying to. OE only >downloads the first 300 headers by default when you log on, so you may well >have missed some. Keep hitting "headers" until it stops. >Anyway, I'll try to remember to include the previous message in the future. > >"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:YyXf5.8603$9%[email hidden]... >> Who or what are you replying to???

Or maybe he's not even *using* OE.... -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Simon Brown wrote: > snip > where GP3 is ahead is wet weather and accessibility. GPL gets my vote for > graphics, physics, FF, sound, depth, longevity, atmosphere, multiplayer and > 3d engine. Yepp, but it sucks at simulating modern F1... ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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In article <JlXf5.1906$[email hidden]> "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote: > GP3 is an excellent entertaining game, and lots of fun with some very neat > features, but I can't believe what you just said. The only area I can find > where GP3 is ahead is wet weather and accessibility. GPL gets my vote for > graphics, physics, FF, sound, depth, longevity, atmosphere, multiplayer and > 3d engine. That's what I thought. Also: If you're not getting the same graphics as in the screen-shots on various websites, something is wrong with your PC-setup, mine look absolutely gorgeous (Geforce1, v5.22 drivers). Dennis.

Who or what are you replying to??? -- [email hidden] "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JlXf5.1906$[email hidden]... > GP3 is an excellent entertaining game, and lots of fun with some very neat > features, but I can't believe what you just said. The only area I can find > where GP3 is ahead is wet weather and accessibility. GPL gets my vote for > graphics, physics, FF, sound, depth, longevity, atmosphere, multiplayer and > 3d engine. > > >

GP3 is an excellent entertaining game, and lots of fun with some very neat features, but I can't believe what you just said. The only area I can find where GP3 is ahead is wet weather and accessibility. GPL gets my vote for graphics, physics, FF, sound, depth, longevity, atmosphere, multiplayer and 3d engine.

I don't know where that message appeared on your news reader, but on mine it is shown right under the message I'm replying to and indented once. If it's just appeared on it's own in the middle on nowhere, that's because you haven't downloaded the header of the message I'm replying to. OE only downloads the first 300 headers by default when you log on, so you may well have missed some. Keep hitting "headers" until it stops. Anyway, I'll try to remember to include the previous message in the future. "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YyXf5.8603$9%[email hidden]...

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> Who or what are you replying to??? > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:JlXf5.1906$[email hidden]... > > GP3 is an excellent entertaining game, and lots of fun with some very

neat > > features, but I can't believe what you just said. The only area I can > find > > where GP3 is ahead is wet weather and accessibility. GPL gets my votefor

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> > graphics, physics, FF, sound, depth, longevity, atmosphere, multiplayer > and > > 3d engine. > > > > > > > >

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jTXf5.2007$[email hidden]... > I don't know where that message appeared on your news reader, but on mineit > is shown right under the message I'm replying to and indented once. Ifit's > just appeared on it's own in the middle on nowhere, that's because you > haven't downloaded the header of the message I'm replying to. OE only > downloads the first 300 headers by default when you log on, so you maywell > have missed some. Keep hitting "headers" until it stops. > Anyway, I'll try to remember to include the previous message in thefuture. Thanks I guess that was my only point. After I read the messages, I mark all of them as read. The only messages that show up are the new ones. Not all 2000+. -- [email hidden]