SearsGroup: Problem with "Tim McArthur and SearsGroup" post of 9/7/00

Well, I have been able to discover "what" caused the problem with the "post" showing it as a binary, or with a binary attachment....when it was an "all text" (in HTML format though) post. Here's what happened: When I requested a "digital" copy of Steve Pages letter (I had a hard copy mailed to me as did everyone else on the cc list), they didn't go to the MS Word document to send me a copy. What they did was to scan the hardcopy, pasted it into a MS Word document (as a bitmap)....added no other text to that new document, named it the same as their original MS Word document and sent it to me as an attachment to "request digital copy" email as a "reply" document. This makes their attachment have a ".doc" file extension, which is what it would be if it was a MS Word text file. I guess Mr. Murphy was working over time yesterday. It figures this kind of thing would happen to a "controversial" post....... I still have to take responsibility for not picking up on the fact at some point...the huge file size of my "post." But, one complaint of "Outlook" .....is it doesn't display the "size" of the document you are creating until you send it (it shows up on the "Sent" list with a file size). I just didn't pay attention even then, although I don't think there's anything I could have done to correct this after it was sent. So, now I'm in a quandary as to what to do about this. I can not download that post. Obviously, I know it's content....but this also means I can't read any messages in the "string"....so I can't reply to the ones that may need/require it. If I "repost" the original message....it is still going to have a "binary" attached to it because even though I can reduce the file size of the "graphic" of Steve Page's letter (converting it from .bmp to a .gif or ?).....it's still a graphic file. I don't want to make matters worse by doing this. And, Steve Page's letter is important....since Tim has told our attorney this morning by telephone that he does not believe Steve's letter is authentic (when asked if he then thought it was a forgery....Tim would not respond). I guess then I will defer to the advice of the "newsgroup gurus" here....and do what you collectively suggest as best.....at this point. Regards, Tom Pabst PS: There is a "string" under a post of the same topic by "ymenard" below....I'll go see if any of those need a reply. Also, I will use in the "Subject" line the following (for any post I make on this topic from now on) "SearsGroup:" Those of you who don't want to be bothered with this mess can use "SearsGroup" to filter all these posts out. I'd like to do the same....but I can't....of course.

Tom, Well I do not know you at all, but I would recommend not airing your dirty laundry infront of the world. In the past I have discovered guys who do this basically have nothing to base anything on a court of law. If I am right Tim was wrangled into this whole deal by your post, if I am incorrect then I am sorry, but I think you need to take it to court if you have a case and well if not then I guess keep trying to win the war or RAS opinion. Dave Robinson

Take it somewhere else will you, you are becoming very annoying!! "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eMeu5.179859$[email hidden]... > Well, I have been able to discover "what" caused the problem with the"post" > showing it as a binary, or with a binary attachment....when it was an "all > text" (in HTML format though) post. > > Here's what happened: When I requested a "digital" copy of Steve Pages > letter (I had a hard copy mailed to me as did everyone else on the cclist), > they didn't go to the MS Word document to send me a copy. What they didwas > to scan the hardcopy, pasted it into a MS Word document (as a > bitmap)....added no other text to that new document, named it the same as > their original MS Word document and sent it to me as an attachment to > "request digital copy" email as a "reply" document. This makes their > attachment have a ".doc" file extension, which is what it would be if itwas > a MS Word text file. > > I guess Mr. Murphy was working over time yesterday. It figures this kindof > thing would happen to a "controversial" post....... I still have to take > responsibility for not picking up on the fact at some point...the hugefile > size of my "post." But, one complaint of "Outlook" .....is it doesn't > display the "size" of the document you are creating until you send it (it > shows up on the "Sent" list with a file size). I just didn't payattention

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> even then, although I don't think there's anything I could have done to > correct this after it was sent. > > So, now I'm in a quandary as to what to do about this. I can not download > that post. Obviously, I know it's content....but this also means I can't > read any messages in the "string"....so I can't reply to the ones that may > need/require it. If I "repost" the original message....it is still going

to > have a "binary" attached to it because even though I can reduce the file > size of the "graphic" of Steve Page's letter (converting it from .bmp to a > .gif or ?).....it's still a graphic file. I don't want to make matters > worse by doing this. And, Steve Page's letter is important....since Timhas > told our attorney this morning by telephone that he does not believeSteve's > letter is authentic (when asked if he then thought it was a forgery....Tim > would not respond). > > I guess then I will defer to the advice of the "newsgroup gurus"here....and

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> do what you collectively suggest as best.....at this point. > > Regards, > > Tom Pabst > > PS: There is a "string" under a post of the same topic by "ymenard" > below....I'll go see if any of those need a reply. Also, I will use in

the > "Subject" line the following (for any post I make on this topic from nowon) > "SearsGroup:" Those of you who don't want to be bothered with this messcan > use "SearsGroup" to filter all these posts out. I'd like to do the > same....but I can't....of course. > >

Gerry.... I called his office and asked Bonnie (his sec) to send me a "digital" copy.....I already was cc'd a hard copy at the time the letter was sent to Tim. My scanner was not working....so I asked her to send me one in email. I think this is what you are asking? Correct? Regards, Tom "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Tom > > How did YOU get a copy of Steve's letter to Tim? > > Cheers > > Gerry Aitken

"E. Crawford" wrote: > > Take it somewhere else will you, you are becoming very annoying!! I disagree -- this is a pretty interesting thread which directly affects sim racing. I'd certainly like to hear both sides of the story. It's a helluva lot more intersting than people talking about me, and a googleplex more interesting than me talking about the law... n'est c� pas? BB

Gerry Aitken wrote: >I agree, it is quite interesting. I'd like to see Judge Judy dealing > with this one <G> Indeed! But it is also interesting from the standpoint of copyright law -- kiddies: instead of conjecturing about how many Warez fit on the head of a pin, you should follow this thread and see the real-world application and implications of US copyright law. An ounce of fact is worth more than all the fiction in the world.

>"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote >I agree, it is quite interesting. I'd like to see Judge Judy dealingwith this one <G> Something like "What the heck are you grown-up men doing playing video games???" ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Tom How did YOU get a copy of Steve's letter to Tim? Cheers Gerry Aitken

I'd love to tell Judge Judy to blow it out her ass. [:-� Marty ymenard wrote:

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> >"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote > >I agree, it is quite interesting. I'd like to see Judge Judy dealing > with this one <G> > > Something like "What the heck are you grown-up men doing playing video > games???" > > ;) > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Well guess what Gerry..... This IS "Peoples Court" and you guys are "Judge Judy"...... I stated that very clearly in the first post about all this. The "copyright" matter however, is not between Tim and SearsGroup. I don't know how to make it much clearer than I've already done...yet people still make posts about "SearsGroup wanting to own the track....and Tim wanting to give it away!" Geeesh...can some of you not read English? One last "simple" try: Sears Point Raceway and their parent company Speedway Motorsports, Inc. own the track and it's "likeness and logo"........that means anything that represents Sears Point...the race track! SearsGroup did...and "is" doing work for Sears Point Raceway as a consultant....not as an employee, not as an "owner" but as an outside, independent contractor. Part of that work...involved the production of a simulated track representing Sears Point Raceway. SearsGroup, by agreement with Sears Point.....gives up all creative rights to this track to the track's owners (which is Sears Point Raceway). Tim, working with SearsGroup during part of this process, came into possession of certain files and data....because he was working on the same project for SearsGroup. He does not have the right to distribute that data in any form....let alone as a complete simulation of the track....without Sears Point Raceway (the owners) permission to do so! Which, they have not given Tim....which they have specifically denied him via Steve Page's letter to him (copies of which have been posted on this newsgroup several times). You guys don't even need to comment on this issue between Tim and Sears Point Raceway. This is not in dispute....it's a "black and white, case closed" legal issue. You only need to know about it because it is germane to the issues between Tim and SearsGroup. Those "issues" are not black and white......those issues are varied, complicated and in some ways, go directly to the heart of the future of sim racing...and this communities' existence a few years from now! That is where this discussion....this dialogue is interesting to me....and to many others. I have gotten ten times more email about this than the "posts" displayed here. Those of you that are not interested...or have nothing to add to the discussion can simply "filter" the topic by subject matter. I made this easy.......by putting the format of the subject always starting with "SearsGroup:" Just use the word "SearsGroup" in your filter and none of this will be displayed. What else am I supposed to do? This is not a personal campaign of mine to attack Tim McArthur. He isn't even a "factor" in anything we are doing currently at SearsGroup....and he hasn't been for five or six months! We don't even use the "tools" he used to build the Sears99 track anymore! Am I interested in "why" he is doing what he's doing? Of course, I have asked him this about a dozen times and always get some runaround answer like he gave on the telephone number for the Sears Point track. So, I assume he is not going to give me an answer and I've stopped asking him. I now assume he didn't think what we were doing had any merit. I assume his decision was "an informed one" since he was working intimately in the process......that's his right to make......whether I agree with it or not....is not part of the equation. I'm trying to lay all this stuff out on the table so two things can happen: 1) I can figure out how we (SearsGroup) can be a part of this sim racing community....which we need to be....and not be ducking arrows and bullets from Tim all the time. So....my goal is to "air this crap" between us and get it over with. 2) The whole future of the sim community is based on what we've taken for granted for 5 years.....that some "game developer" will produce a "game" ...that we can use as a "full simulation"......and that is a huge "question mark" at this time. It never has been in the previous 5 years! So....this topic gets you guys thinking....postulating, yelling at each other (and me...sometimes)...but it is productive in that it forces us to look at this situation from varied perspectives. I thought it would take a day or two to get past all this "name calling" and crap....then we'd get to hear from the smart guys in this community who I am dying to hear from! I want to hear from the guys who are still here that were running Hawaii 4-5 years ago. Where are you? Where's Ken Hower? Where's Pekka? Are they relegated to Jacob's news server with "handcuffs" or something (by the way...I think Jacob's news server is one of the best things that has ever happened in this community....nice job Jacob...and thanks for the continued expense and effort you make to provide it). So...lets get to the good stuff? Can we? Tom Tom "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > ymenard wrote: > > > > >"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote > > >I agree, it is quite interesting. I'd like to see Judge Judy dealing > > with this one <G> > > > > Something like "What the heck are you grown-up men doing playing video > > games???" > > > > ;) > > Hehe, wouldn't it be great <G>. Tim & Tom, Peoples Court.....off you > both go!

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> > "E. Crawford" wrote: > > > > Take it somewhere else will you, you are becoming very annoying!! > > I disagree -- this is a pretty interesting thread which directly affects > sim racing. I'd certainly like to hear both sides of the story. It's a > helluva lot more intersting than people talking about me, and a > googleplex more interesting than me talking about the law... n'est cé pas? > > BB

I agree, it is quite interesting. I'd like to see Judge Judy dealing with this one <G> GA

This sounds like a truckload of "shite" to me. How important do you think your little "project" is? The only person ruining the future of "simulated racing" is you, by stirring this pot and not shutting your mouth. YOU are the "person" bringing unnecessary attention to the Sears99 release. We can only blame you and whoever may still be associating with you for the legal mess SearsGroup is trying to create. Why anyone would want to participate in such a program with someone with an ego like yours is beyond me. You do realize you're alienating your potential customer base, don't you? THAT's smart business... In article <JUyu5.181582$[email hidden]>, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Well guess what Gerry..... > > This IS "Peoples Court" and you guys are "Judge Judy"...... I statedthat > very clearly in the first post about all this. > > The "copyright" matter however, is not between Tim and SearsGroup. Idon't > know how to make it much clearer than I've already done...yet peoplestill > make posts about "SearsGroup wanting to own the track....and Timwanting to > give it away!" Geeesh...can some of you not read English? > > One last "simple" try: Sears Point Raceway and their parent company > Speedway Motorsports, Inc. own the track and it's "likeness and > logo"........that means anything that represents Sears Point...therace > track! SearsGroup did...and "is" doing work for Sears Point Racewayas a > consultant....not as an employee, not as an "owner" but as an outside, > independent contractor. Part of that work...involved the productionof a > simulated track representing Sears Point Raceway. SearsGroup, byagreement > with Sears Point.....gives up all creative rights to this track to the > track's owners (which is Sears Point Raceway). Tim, working withSearsGroup > during part of this process, came into possession of certain files and > data....because he was working on the same project for SearsGroup.He does > not have the right to distribute that data in any form....let aloneas a > complete simulation of the track....without Sears Point Raceway (theowners) > permission to do so! Which, they have not given Tim....which theyhave > specifically denied him via Steve Page's letter to him (copies ofwhich have > been posted on this newsgroup several times). > > You guys don't even need to comment on this issue between Tim andSears > Point Raceway. This is not in dispute....it's a "black and white,case > closed" legal issue. You only need to know about it because it isgermane > to the issues between Tim and SearsGroup. Those "issues" are notblack and > white......those issues are varied, complicated and in some ways, go > directly to the heart of the future of sim racing...and thiscommunities' > existence a few years from now! > > That is where this discussion....this dialogue is interesting tome....and > to many others. I have gotten ten times more email about this thanthe > "posts" displayed here. Those of you that are not interested...orhave > nothing to add to the discussion can simply "filter" the topic bysubject > matter. I made this easy.......by putting the format of the subjectalways > starting with "SearsGroup:" Just use the word "SearsGroup" in yourfilter > and none of this will be displayed. > > What else am I supposed to do? > > This is not a personal campaign of mine to attack Tim McArthur. Heisn't > even a "factor" in anything we are doing currently atSearsGroup....and he > hasn't been for five or six months! We don't even use the "tools" heused > to build the Sears99 track anymore! Am I interested in "why" he isdoing > what he's doing? Of course, I have asked him this about a dozentimes and > always get some runaround answer like he gave on the telephone numberfor > the Sears Point track. So, I assume he is not going to give me ananswer > and I've stopped asking him. I now assume he didn't think what wewere > doing had any merit. I assume his decision was "an informed one"since he > was working intimately in the process......that's his right to > make......whether I agree with it or not....is not part of theequation. > > I'm trying to lay all this stuff out on the table so two things canhappen: > > 1) I can figure out how we (SearsGroup) can be a part of this simracing > community....which we need to be....and not be ducking arrows andbullets > from Tim all the time. So....my goal is to "air this crap" betweenus and > get it over with. > > 2) The whole future of the sim community is based on what we'vetaken for > granted for 5 years.....that some "game developer" will producea "game" > ...that we can use as a "full simulation"......and that is ahuge "question > mark" at this time. It never has been in the previous 5 years!So....this > topic gets you guys thinking....postulating, yelling at each other(and > me...sometimes)...but it is productive in that it forces us to lookat this > situation from varied perspectives. I thought it would take a day ortwo to > get past all this "name calling" and crap....then we'd get to hearfrom the > smart guys in this community who I am dying to hear from! I want tohear > from the guys who are still here that were running Hawaii 4-5 yearsago. > Where are you? Where's Ken Hower? Where's Pekka? Are theyrelegated to > Jacob's news server with "handcuffs" or something (by the way...Ithink > Jacob's news server is one of the best things that has ever happenedin this

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> community....nice job Jacob...and thanks for the continued expense and > effort you make to provide it). > > So...lets get to the good stuff? Can we? > > Tom > > Tom > > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > ymenard wrote: > > > > > > >"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > >I agree, it is quite interesting. I'd like to see Judge Judy

dealing > > > with this one <G> > > > > > > Something like "What the heck are you grown-up men doing playingvideo

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> > > games???" > > > > > > ;) > > > > Hehe, wouldn't it be great <G>. Tim & Tom, Peoples Court.....off you > > both go! > >

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> > >"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote > >I agree, it is quite interesting. I'd like to see Judge Judy dealing > with this one <G> > > Something like "What the heck are you grown-up men doing playing video > games???" > > ;)

Hehe, wouldn't it be great <G>. Tim & Tom, Peoples Court.....off you both go!

Though I promised I wouldnt comment to Tom's post anymore, I am making an exception for this essay below > >The "copyright" matter however, is not between Tim and SearsGroup. I don't >know how to make it much clearer than I've already done...yet people still >make posts about "SearsGroup wanting to own the track....and Tim wanting to >give it away!" Geeesh...can some of you not read English?Corect, SG and myself have no copyright issues. They (SG) do NOT own or have a copyright to any of the files located within Sears99.

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>One last "simple" try: Sears Point Raceway and their parent company >Speedway Motorsports, Inc. own the track and it's "likeness and >logo"........that means anything that represents Sears Point...the race >track! SearsGroup did...and "is" doing work for Sears Point Raceway as a >consultant....not as an employee, not as an "owner" but as an outside, >independent contractor. Part of that work...involved the production of a >simulated track representing Sears Point Raceway. SearsGroup, by agreement >with Sears Point.....gives up all creative rights to this track to the >track's owners (which is Sears Point Raceway).

Here is where our disagreement begins.. Yes SPR owns the copyright and likeness of the track. Tom, made an agreement with SPR about a track that was not built by him or his company. Tom or SG can not sign away files and/or property not owned by them to begin with. I have yet to recieve any request to remove Sears99 from the web even though I have requested in numerous times.

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> Tim, working with SearsGroup >during part of this process, came into possession of certain files and >data....because he was working on the same project for SearsGroup. He does >not have the right to distribute that data in any form....let alone as a >complete simulation of the track....without Sears Point Raceway (the owners) >permission to do so! Which, they have not given Tim....which they have >specifically denied him via Steve Page's letter to him (copies of which have >been posted on this newsgroup several times).

Again, I have never worked for any company or been a part of Searsgroup in a business venture. Tom and I got together to build Sears99 as a hobby project that was to be released at the time of completion. We parted before it's completion so I finished it myself and released it. At some point Tom decided to form a company off my work, promise my work to SPR, and market it to other tracks, all without my approval or signature. I have never signed any document stating that the work or files I did in Sears99 was to be owned by any other person or comapny. I surely do not remember ever getting a paycheck from SearsGroup or from SPR as a consultant.

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> >You guys don't even need to comment on this issue between Tim and Sears >Point Raceway. This is not in dispute....it's a "black and white, case >closed" legal issue. You only need to know about it because it is germane >to the issues between Tim and SearsGroup. Those "issues" are not black and >white......those issues are varied, complicated and in some ways, go >directly to the heart of the future of sim racing...and this communities' >existence a few years from now!

Well we agree in this area as well. The issue is very black and white. Tom has nothing to validate that I ever worked for SG or ever sold or gave away the work I did in our hobby project. If Tom signed off the Sears99 track to SPR, then that is called the theft of my intelectual property (something that is being legally pursued at this time)

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> >That is where this discussion....this dialogue is interesting to me....and >to many others. I have gotten ten times more email about this than the >"posts" displayed here. Those of you that are not interested...or have >nothing to add to the discussion can simply "filter" the topic by subject >matter. I made this easy.......by putting the format of the subject always >starting with "SearsGroup:" Just use the word "SearsGroup" in your filter >and none of this will be displayed. > >What else am I supposed to do? > >This is not a personal campaign of mine to attack Tim McArthur. He isn't >even a "factor" in anything we are doing currently at SearsGroup....and he >hasn't been for five or six months! We don't even use the "tools" he used >to build the Sears99 track anymore! Am I interested in "why" he is doing >what he's doing? Of course, I have asked him this about a dozen times and >always get some runaround answer like he gave on the telephone number for >the Sears Point track. So, I assume he is not going to give me an answer >and I've stopped asking him. I now assume he didn't think what we were >doing had any merit. I assume his decision was "an informed one" since he >was working intimately in the process......that's his right to >make......whether I agree with it or not....is not part of the equation.

I am up for discussion about the matter and always have been. I have tried numerous attmpts to email you (ignored) and have even tried calling (also ignored). Your lawyer keeps telling me he will get back to me on some suggestions that I have offered in the past weeks yet I have never recieved a call from him.. ever. I have been the person calling your lawyer Tom... constantly in fact. He sounds very iritated that I keep calling him... I kinda like that.

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> >I'm trying to lay all this stuff out on the table so two things can happen: > >1) I can figure out how we (SearsGroup) can be a part of this sim racing >community....which we need to be....and not be ducking arrows and bullets >from Tim all the time. So....my goal is to "air this crap" between us and >get it over with.

Sorry Tom (and anyone else) that may think Im throwing arrows at SearsGroup. I merely was trying to correct the false statement stating that I worked for SG.

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> >2) The whole future of the sim community is based on what we've taken for >granted for 5 years.....that some "game developer" will produce a "game" >...that we can use as a "full simulation"......and that is a huge "question >mark" at this time. It never has been in the previous 5 years! So....this >topic gets you guys thinking....postulating, yelling at each other (and >me...sometimes)...but it is productive in that it forces us to look at this >situation from varied perspectives. I thought it would take a day or two to >get past all this "name calling" and crap....then we'd get to hear from the >smart guys in this community who I am dying to hear from! I want to hear >from the guys who are still here that were running Hawaii 4-5 years ago. >Where are you? Where's Ken Hower? Where's Pekka? Are they relegated to >Jacob's news server with "handcuffs" or something (by the way...I think >Jacob's news server is one of the best things that has ever happened in this >community....nice job Jacob...and thanks for the continued expense and >effort you make to provide it).

missed a spot on your nose Tom.. yea that little brown spot there... yup :-)

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> >So...lets get to the good stuff? Can we? > >Tom > > > >Tom > > > >"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> ymenard wrote: >> > >> > >"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote >> > >I agree, it is quite interesting. I'd like to see Judge Judy dealing >> > with this one <G> >> > >> > Something like "What the heck are you grown-up men doing playing video >> > games???" >> > >> > ;) >> >> Hehe, wouldn't it be great <G>. Tim & Tom, Peoples Court.....off you >> both go! > >

Now you understand why I parted from Tom before the Sears99 project was completed. And if Tom would not have begun threatening the web pages that posted Sears99 with lawsuits from SG and SPR, then Sears99 would most likely have been an every-day track that was released on the internet and died out quickly. But, do to Tom's publicity (and continued publicity) the track has been downloaded over 7000 times in the past 2 months alone. The first week, (not in that 2 month window) it was downloaded by over 2500 people. I would have to say that Sears99 has been the most downloaded track for any Papyrus product (well over 10,000 downloads). Thanks everyone for the support, now I wish some one would help me pay for all that bandwidth that Im being charged for. Do I dare post a link again? ah why not :-) http://www.members.home.com/n3tcp/sears99.htm And if anyone cares to download the up-n-comping Sears97 track, check out http://www.members.home.com/n3tcp/sears97.htm as it should be getting released very soon.

Tim McArthur wrote: > Don't take this as an attack on you Tim, I've only known you for a very short time but I've already come to like you a lot and appreciate you as part of "The Pits" and I think you know where I stand in all this :-), but if nothing else, I think these threads with you and Tom going at it clearly demonstrates to the rest of the group why guys like David Noonan don't post here often You are spending time here battling it out over something that is given away for free when you could have spent it creating more excellent tracks for all of us to enjoy, hope you guys get it sorted out soon, I want more tracks :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

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> > Do I dare post a link again? ah why not :-) > > http://www.members.home.com/n3tcp/sears99.htm > > And if anyone cares to download the up-n-comping Sears97 track, check > out http://www.members.home.com/n3tcp/sears97.htm as it should be > getting released very soon. > >

Coolness. I'll download it when the link is up. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> > Do I dare post a link again? ah why not :-) > > http://www.members.home.com/n3tcp/sears99.htm > > And if anyone cares to download the up-n-comping Sears97 track, check > out http://www.members.home.com/n3tcp/sears97.htm as it should be > getting released very soon.

Is there a chance that you might be able to create Spa, Silverstone, or Rouen for us fender bangers? Those would be way-cool tracks for NASCAR. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Oh, I dunno... Tom probably has some contacts with those tracks and will tatlle-tale on me once again. (joke) but true On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:49:04 GMT, [email hidden] (John Simmons) wrote:

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>In article <39bb17ba.8562894@news>, [email hidden] says... >> >> Do I dare post a link again? ah why not :-) >> >> http://www.members.home.com/n3tcp/sears99.htm >> >> And if anyone cares to download the up-n-comping Sears97 track, check >> out http://www.members.home.com/n3tcp/sears97.htm as it should be >> getting released very soon. > >Is there a chance that you might be able to create Spa, Silverstone, or >Rouen for us fender bangers? > >Those would be way-cool tracks for NASCAR. > >-- >========================================================= >Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) > http://www.paddedwall.org/john >Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast >DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > >If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown >above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. >=========================================================

I agree Goy, and at this time only even come to RAS for the entertainment I get from our thread. More tracks? already in the works :-) On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:48:17 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Tim McArthur wrote: >> > >Don't take this as an attack on you Tim, I've only known you for a very >short time but I've already come to like you a lot and appreciate you as >part of "The Pits" and I think you know where I stand in all this :-), >but if nothing else, I think these threads with you and Tom going at it >clearly demonstrates to the rest of the group why guys like David Noonan >don't post here often > >You are spending time here battling it out over something that is given >away for free when you could have spent it creating more excellent >tracks for all of us to enjoy, hope you guys get it sorted out soon, I >want more tracks :-) > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >http://www.theuspits.com >http://www.teammirage.com > >"Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting > are the only true sports...all others are games." >--Ernest Hemingway--

Tom Pabst wrote: >....then we'd get to hear from the smart guys in this community who I am dying >to hear from! Yep Tom, I read it all, I'm sorry if I'm just not smart enough! Good luck with SG. Go and survey as many track as you can, and then make the data base freely available to anyone who wants to make a track. that's if the track owners will allow it. But hey, if they won't allow it, then don't work for them. Let them move mud in reality, at huge cost if they get it wrong. I think your biggest worry must be a rival company starting up, guess what...someone is doing just that. cheers