<Joking!> Seriously though, considering this is your guys FIRST NASCAR
game, you guys at MGI did an EXCELLENT job! IMHO, you've already beat
Papyrus (who've had 3 chances to get it right) and EA Sports which have
what, 2 or 3 tries?
Man if you guys put THIS GOOD a product out on your FIRST attempt, I'm
really looking forward to your sequels!
-Cheers!
Praise and criticism of NASCAR Heat as MGI's first effort
Regular Racer praised MGI's NASCAR Heat as better than Papyrus's efforts, which others disputed, citing frame rate problems and AI issues under yellow flags. The thread covered GeForce2 MX performance, running the game under Windows 2000, and Australians hoping for a V8 Supercar sim. Many expected NASCAR Racing 4 to supersede it.
Automated summary.
Now make a CART sim MGI !!!!!
I would not call it excellent its OK and will occupy manys time until N4
releases. NH has poor framerates even
with high end systems, and quite a few bugs with the AI .
Lets say it was a fine first release. Needs work to be
deemed excellent.
I'll second and third that!!!
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"TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Now make a CART sim MGI !!!!!
Yes, it would need a lot of work, even for offline racing with the AI. I
have pretty much given up on trying to run any kind of season due to the ai
problems under yellows and especially while trying to pit under yellow. Too
bad, I was kind of looking foward to it and was waiting for the patch for
that reason. It's a pain in the butt to have a great racing going , yellow
come out, drop down to pit road and get slammed by a couple of ai cars, the
go sliding sideways down pit road and get promptly black flagged for
speeding. Very dissappointing, I had hoped the patch would fix this.
I disagree somewhat on the framerate issue though, I think they did a pretty
good job with the graphics being able to run decently on even mid level
systems. Some more graphics tweak options would have been nice for those
with lower end systems.
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Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566
"Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qjoc4$lvq$[email hidden]...
> I would not call it excellent its OK and will occupy manys time until N4
> releases. NH has poor framerates even
> with high end systems, and quite a few bugs with the AI .
> Lets say it was a fine first release. Needs work to be
> deemed excellent.
>
>
>
Yes Don, I have to keep in mind I'm using W2K,and
experiance FPS hits at certain locations on various tracks,
even with the GeForce2 MX GPL and N3 run smooth.
Perhaps the NH people should have made better attempt
to optimise toward W2K being thats the direction of
the Windows OS . I was rather surprised of the popup
in NH stating not for W2K being a new release.By the
way I totally agree with the AI yellow flag issue I just
do not know why they ignored it in the patch :(
You say that MX runs N3 pretty good? I have been holding off on a new vid
card, still running my V3000, primarily for N3.
I suspect they didn't ignore the ai yellow flag issue, probably are well
aware of it even prior to release, I bet it's something that would take a
major overhaul to fix, and they have elected not to mess with it. Just a
guess on my part,
--
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Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566
"Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qjt5v$ngk$[email hidden]...
> Yes Don, I have to keep in mind I'm using W2K,and
> experiance FPS hits at certain locations on various tracks,
> even with the GeForce2 MX GPL and N3 run smooth.
> Perhaps the NH people should have made better attempt
> to optimise toward W2K being thats the direction of
> the Windows OS . I was rather surprised of the popup
> in NH stating not for W2K being a new release.By the
> way I totally agree with the AI yellow flag issue I just
> do not know why they ignored it in the patch :(
>
>
>
>
Croquet actually..........
"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:39cd8fd3$[email hidden]...
I'm
Quoted text (16 lines)
> Papyrus had "three chances"??? > What is this....baseball? > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Regular Racer <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zscz5.1142$[email hidden]... > > <Joking!> Seriously though, considering this is your guys FIRST NASCAR > > game, you guys at MGI did an EXCELLENT job! IMHO, you've already beat > > Papyrus (who've had 3 chances to get it right) and EA Sports which have > > what, 2 or 3 tries? > > Man if you guys put THIS GOOD a product out on your FIRST attempt,Quoted text (8 lines)
> > really looking forward to your sequels! > > > > -Cheers! > > > > > > > >How can Heat be compared to N3?
N3 was a rebuild on the N2 engine, which is several years old. And they did
a pretty darn good job with it, including the internet play that was
included and patched with it. There is no way Papy could have produced a
6dof Nascar sim 3 or 4 years ago, just would not have been possible with the
hardware of the time. They did an awesome job producing GPL a couple of
years ago, a sim which remains to this day very popular with some hardcore
sim racers. Comparing Nascar Heat to N3 is just not fair. If you compared
it to anything Papy has on the market, you'd have to compare it to GPL,
which imho still beats Heat in the physics department.
Yes, I agree MGI did a good job for their first Nascar sim, it ain't without
it's troubles though. Quite frankly, if N3 had been released with some of
the problems Heat has, Papy would have caught hell for it on these
newsgroups.
--
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Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566
"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:39cd8fd3$[email hidden]...
> Papyrus had "three chances"???
> What is this....baseball?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------
>
> Regular Racer <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:zscz5.1142$[email hidden]...
> > <Joking!> Seriously though, considering this is your guys FIRST NASCAR
> > game, you guys at MGI did an EXCELLENT job! IMHO, you've already beat
> > Papyrus (who've had 3 chances to get it right) and EA Sports which have
> > what, 2 or 3 tries?
> > Man if you guys put THIS GOOD a product out on your FIRST attempt,
I'm
> > really looking forward to your sequels!
> >
> > -Cheers!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:24:27 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>> Man if you guys put THIS GOOD a product out on your FIRST attempt, I'm
>> really looking forward to your sequels!
Try their prequel, Viper Racing published by Sierra.
--
Nos
Papyrus had "three chances"???
What is this....baseball?
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
Regular Racer <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:zscz5.1142$[email hidden]...
> <Joking!> Seriously though, considering this is your guys FIRST NASCAR
> game, you guys at MGI did an EXCELLENT job! IMHO, you've already beat
> Papyrus (who've had 3 chances to get it right) and EA Sports which have
> what, 2 or 3 tries?
> Man if you guys put THIS GOOD a product out on your FIRST attempt, I'm
> really looking forward to your sequels!
>
> -Cheers!
>
>
>
In article <zscz5.1142$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
This may mean little from some schmoo that imported the title from the
US, but thoroughly enjoying NH from a single player perspective. It's not
a big MP game in Aus, but I'm more than satisified with the product and
look forward to NH2.
Cheers,
Rod.
Quoted text (8 lines)
> <Joking!> Seriously though, considering this is your guys FIRST NASCAR > game, you guys at MGI did an EXCELLENT job! IMHO, you've already beat > Papyrus (who've had 3 chances to get it right) and EA Sports which have > what, 2 or 3 tries? > Man if you guys put THIS GOOD a product out on your FIRST attempt, I'm > really looking forward to your sequels! > > -Cheers!On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 04:44:39 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>You say that MX runs N3 pretty good? I have been holding off on a new vid
>card, still running my V3000, primarily for N3.
I'm running a GF2, and N3 *runs* great, but the jaggies are horrible.
If I had known that Heat would be one of those games that would soon
be collecting dust, I would have stayed with the V3 until N4 came out,
waiting for the GF2 prices to come down.
If someone knows a setting for the Asus V7700 that will reduce the
jaggies, I'm open to suggestions.
Yep, was surprised. I had a V3 also and went with the
Inno Tornado. Only $104 Heatsink and Fan included
at Ocie.com. Frankly I did not think it would perform
as well as the V3 on Papy sims. Also when I mention
the drop of FPS in NH I'm talking a full field in W2K.
This is a fine card.By the way I'm also running a 566 @
850 and the Artic Silver does seem to make a difference.
I look more forward to N4 and the WSC !
I'm buying time with NH, the problems in the
game/sim prevent me from getting too serious with
this thing its fun to kick around a little. Its better
then N3, with the exception of multiplyer, but
then again, it should be given the age of the N3
model. Its really not a fair comparison. N4 vs
NH would be the most logical comparison given
the time frame.
"> look forward to NH2.
>
> Cheers,
> Rod.
Already had it Nos.....I like that one also..
"Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:24:27 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"
> <[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>
>
> >> Man if you guys put THIS GOOD a product out on your FIRST attempt,I'm
> >> really looking forward to your sequels!
>
> Try their prequel, Viper Racing published by Sierra.
> --
> Nos
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 06:37:50 GMT, Rod Prince
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>This may mean little from some schmoo that imported the title from the
>US, but thoroughly enjoying NH from a single player perspective. It's not
>a big MP game in Aus, but I'm more than satisified with the product and
>look forward to NH2.
So when are you ozzies going to do a Supercar sim? I was looking at
the tracks and cars and they sure look like they would make a great
racing sim. Tracks are pretty good from looking at the overhead
layouts.
--
Nos
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 06:45:25 GMT, [email hidden] (T. Wortman) thus
spoke:
>If someone knows a setting for the Asus V7700 that will reduce the
>jaggies, I'm open to suggestions.
Sure, buy a Voodoo5. :-)
--
Nos
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> >Perhaps the NH people should have made better attempt > >to optimise toward W2K being thats the direction of > >the Windows OS > > Who told you that? Win2K is specifcally NOT the > gaming OS of choice. No wonder you get abysmal > framerates. LOL!Hehe...
full field... perhaps that's the reason for the fps loss?
Oliver
BEOROCKET Racing: www.beorocket.co.yu
"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:49:42 -0600, "Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Also when I mention > >the drop of FPS in NH I'm talking a full field in W2K. > > DOH. >Same here, 30 fps using fraps with full field and 1024x768. Gorgeous and
fast, like my prom date ;0).
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Joe Marques
"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:23:09 -0600, "Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >NH has poor framerates even > >with high end systems > > Horseshit. you had better fix your system. > > My PIII-600/V5 flies with NH. >
"Joe Marques" <Joe NO SPAM [email hidden]> wrote in message
news:HYnz5.14811$[email hidden]...
What's the deal with Fraps and NH, I can not get it to display the fps while
running Heat, I have tried running it with Fraps minimized and not
minimized, same results. I can see a light flickering in the upper left
corner where the fps should be displayed, but no where near enough to read
what the fps are.
Anyone else experience this? I'm using a V3000 card. Fraps works fine in
F12000 for me.
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Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566
Quoted text (17 lines)
> Same here, 30 fps using fraps with full field and 1024x768. Gorgeous and > fast, like my prom date ;0). > > --- > > Joe Marques > > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:23:09 -0600, "Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >NH has poor framerates even > > >with high end systems > > > > Horseshit. you had better fix your system. > > > > My PIII-600/V5 flies with NH.On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:09:54 +0200, "Sjon Stigter"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
Well, you're both right, but the convergence of the two lines has
taken a big step with 'full' support for DirectX in Win2K and the
inclusion of NT networking innards in WinME. The next OS is
*supposedly* going to cover all bases with slightly varying versions
for different applications. The shell is already the same, all they
need to do is homogenize the kernel and they will be pretty much
there.
So, saying Win2K is where things are going for a gaming OS is not
correct, though one can see how the confusion came about.
~daxe
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> >> >Perhaps the NH people should have made better attempt >> >to optimise toward W2K being thats the direction of >> >the Windows OS >> >> Who told you that? Win2K is specifcally NOT the >> gaming OS of choice. No wonder you get abysmal >> framerates. LOL! > >Yup.. Rev is right... Win2000 is the follow-up to Windows NT4 and is only >mend to be used for business stuff.... Windows ME is the follow-up of >Windows 98 and is made for personal and mainly gamning meanings...Perfer not to downgrade!
Didn't I already state that?
>homogenize the kernel
Not !
>Win2K is specifcally NOT the
> gaming OS of choice. >
LOL Who told YOU that?
Ya right !
I'm not going to downgrade to run a game to gain 5 fps.
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:21:09 GMT, Rod Prince
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>We've done one. It's called Dick Johnson Racing, and it's pretty sucky.
>;) SCGT is prolly the best bet for V8 Supercars.
Ok, I didn't know of that one.
>I think TOCA 2 has some V8's and Bathurst, but playstation only. ;/
Pass. Don't do console systems anymore.
>If we can get Ratbag to get off the dirt, we may have a developer that
>can put together an excellent Supercar sim!
Well, there are a few developers that could do it, but I expect it
would be have to be an ozzie one that would only consider it. So let's
send a few emails to Ratbag and see if they would consider it. I think
it would sell pretty good. Not like a Nascar sim, but still should
turn a profit if done well.
--
Nos
And you expect N4 to run better?
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> I would not call it excellent its OK and will occupy manys time until N4 > releases. NH has poor framerates even > with high end systems, and quite a few bugs with the AI . > Lets say it was a fine first release. Needs work to be > deemed excellent. > > >OK then... I'll try to give you a "logicval comparison" between NH and
N4...
NH exists.
N4 doesn't.
While we're at it, how bout a comparison between NH2 and N4???
I'll leave that one up to someone else.
:o)
Pat
In article <8qk8k5$r18$[email hidden]>,
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Before you buy.
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> I look more forward to N4 and the WSC ! > I'm buying time with NH, the problems in the > game/sim prevent me from getting too serious with > this thing its fun to kick around a little. Its better > then N3, with the exception of multiplyer, but > then again, it should be given the age of the N3 > model. Its really not a fair comparison. N4 vs > NH would be the most logical comparison given > the time frame. > > "> look forward to NH2. > > > > Cheers, > > Rod. > >Smith wrote:
>
> Perfer not to downgrade!
From a gaming perspective, you already have.
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http://counter.li.org
Smith wrote:
>
> I'm not going to downgrade to run a game to gain 5 fps.
Then don't bitch & moan over the loss of said 5 fps. What a hardhead...
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Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses
Registered Linux User #180746
http://counter.li.org
You really wan't a CART sim don't you?
<G>
Chris
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"TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Now make a CART sim MGI !!!!!
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
> So when are you ozzies going to do a Supercar sim? I was looking at
> the tracks and cars and they sure look like they would make a great
> racing sim. Tracks are pretty good from looking at the overhead
> layouts.
We've done one. It's called Dick Johnson Racing, and it's pretty sucky.
;) SCGT is prolly the best bet for V8 Supercars.
I think TOCA 2 has some V8's and Bathurst, but playstation only. ;/
If we can get Ratbag to get off the dirt, we may have a developer that
can put together an excellent Supercar sim!
Cheers,
Rod.
In article <MPG.143928bd14844ebb989736@news-server>,
[email hidden] says...
> I think TOCA 2 has some V8's and Bathurst, but playstation only. ;/
Woops, I mean Toca Touring Cars.
Cheers,
Rod.
Sure Don....set your video card to 3dfx V5 2xfsaa. That will do nicely.
dave henrie
"T. Wortman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 04:44:39 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >You say that MX runs N3 pretty good? I have been holding off on a new vid > >card, still running my V3000, primarily for N3. > > I'm running a GF2, and N3 *runs* great, but the jaggies are horrible. > If I had known that Heat would be one of those games that would soon > be collecting dust, I would have stayed with the V3 until N4 came out, > waiting for the GF2 prices to come down. > > If someone knows a setting for the Asus V7700 that will reduce the > jaggies, I'm open to suggestions.Your platform can't push the full field obviously loose about 5-10 ai's and
it'll start to rock!
Oliver
BEOROCKET Racing: www.beorocket.co.yu
"Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8qlnsq$g32$[email hidden]...
> Didn't I already state that?
>
>
Chris Bloom wrote:
>
> You really wan't a CART sim don't you?
>
> <G>
Did I already mention that I want one, too? ;)
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