N4 demo, NO other cars on track

Although many with 56k modems are going to be fighting to the end to get the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as far as getting a "racing" demo. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I just raced 10 other people online, that's enough for me. =) <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:903tn5$l4h$[email hidden]...

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> Although many with 56k modems are going to be fighting to the end to get > the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the > full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with > no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've > tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be > racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > far as getting a "racing" demo. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:01:15 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:36:05 GMT, "Michael Horton" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>One word....MULTI-PLAYER (or is that two words with a hyphen in it). Why >>race against 2 or 3 or even 12 AI cars when you can race up to 43 real >>people? >> > >Michael, everyone doesn't have the connection speed necessary >for online racing.

I race GPL regularly at 21.6kbps. I'd assume N4's requirements are similar. How many people don't have a connection that fast? "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

The game keeps locking up on me. But if what you say is true, then this is the lamest demo I have ever downloaded. It wouldn't even deserve to be called a demo. Wonder who at Papyrus has the wonderful idea of pulling this stupid move. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:903tn5$l4h$[email hidden]...

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> Although many with 56k modems are going to be fighting to the end to get > the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the > full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with > no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've > tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be > racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > far as getting a "racing" demo. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Personally I havent raced against AI since ICR2, and N4 demo allows multi. no complaints here. But for those who buy sims for realsitic ai, could papy possibly be hiding somthing? :) Charlie "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YbkV5.95834$[email hidden]... > The game keeps locking up on me. But if what you say is true, then thisis > the lamest demo I have ever downloaded. It wouldn't even deserve to be > called a demo. > > Wonder who at Papyrus has the wonderful idea of pulling this stupid move. > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:903tn5$l4h$[email hidden]...

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> > Although many with 56k modems are going to be fighting to the end to get > > the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the > > full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with > > no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've > > tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be > > racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > > far as getting a "racing" demo. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > >

please.....how many cars were in the N2 demo? The N3 demo? We are not getting the demo released to race and race. We are getting an advanced look at the handling the cars will exhibit and the strains it will place on our systems. Yes Nascar Heat had 12 cars and as I recall quite a few people were dissing MGI for ONLY 12 cars boo hoo... If you think the demo should be a mini game, then yes you will be disapointed, but if you look at the demo as a technologcal review, then you get lots... dave henrie "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YbkV5.95834$[email hidden]... > The game keeps locking up on me. But if what you say is true, then thisis > the lamest demo I have ever downloaded. It wouldn't even deserve to be > called a demo. > > Wonder who at Papyrus has the wonderful idea of pulling this stupid move. > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:903tn5$l4h$[email hidden]...

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> > Although many with 56k modems are going to be fighting to the end to get > > the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the > > full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with > > no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've > > tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be > > racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > > far as getting a "racing" demo. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

One word....MULTI-PLAYER (or is that two words with a hyphen in it). Why race against 2 or 3 or even 12 AI cars when you can race up to 43 real people? <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:903tn5$l4h$[email hidden]...

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> Although many with 56k modems are going to be fighting to the end to get > the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the > full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with > no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've > tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be > racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > far as getting a "racing" demo. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Agree 100%. I'm enjoying the demo to the extent it was designed.... as a DEMONSTRATOR of what to expect in the final version. Hell, I enjoy Nascar 3, so i'm pretty sure i'll like Nascar 4 from the little I see here. After playing with the demo I fired up Nascar Heat to compare graphics, etc. All I can say is its really too bad Nascar Heat has the crappy starts and yellows, as it really is a pretty game.. Hopefully N4 will be N3 with better physics (which the demo has) and graphics, that alone will be worth my buying.. G Patricks >On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 05:39:38 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > please.....how many cars were in the N2 demo? The N3 demo? >We are not getting the demo released to race and race. We are getting >an advanced look at the handling the cars will exhibit and the strains it >will place on our systems.

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> > Although many with 56k modems are going to be fighting to the end to get > the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the > full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with > no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've > tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be > racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > far as getting a "racing" demo.

It was the same with the GPL demo. No AI, just you & 1 track. And the rest, as they say, is legend. :-) This one will go places. -- Chuck Kandler Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:36:05 GMT, "Michael Horton" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >One word....MULTI-PLAYER (or is that two words with a hyphen in it). Why >race against 2 or 3 or even 12 AI cars when you can race up to 43 real >people? Because a lot of the people driving online are worse drivers than the AI. Then there are the dickheads who deliberately cause accidents to ruin the game for everyone else. Been there - done that, no thx.

In article <MaHV5.30660$[email hidden]>, "Michael Horton" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I'll give you that point but, like in GPL or N3, if you race with people you >know you won't have that problem. Also it's extremely easy for the server >host to give the boot to an idiot. > >Mike >"Amp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:36:05 GMT, "Michael Horton" >> <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >> >> >One word....MULTI-PLAYER (or is that two words with a hyphen in it). Why >> >race against 2 or 3 or even 12 AI cars when you can race up to 43 real >> >people? >> >> Because a lot of the people driving online are worse drivers than the >> AI. Then there are the dickheads who deliberately cause accidents to >> ruin the game for everyone else. Been there - done that, no thx.

There are also a lot of people running unattended servers(such as me). There's no one to boot the idjits out of the race. I've seen the yelling on the chat screen the next morning... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +45.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> [email hidden] wrote: > > > > Although many with 56k modems are going to be fighting to the end to get > > the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the > > full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with > > no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've > > tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be > > racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > > far as getting a "racing" demo. > > > It was the same with the GPL demo. No AI, just you & 1 track. And the > rest, as they say, is legend. :-) > This one will go places. >

does that mean it'll sell only 45,000 copies? :) -- > Chuck Kandler > > Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS. > > Registered Linux User #180746 > http://counter.li.org

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> > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > > > > Although many with 56k modems are going to be fighting to the end to get > > > the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the > > > full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with > > > no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've > > > tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be > > > racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > > > far as getting a "racing" demo. > > > > > > It was the same with the GPL demo. No AI, just you & 1 track. And the > > rest, as they say, is legend. :-) > > This one will go places. > > > > does that mean it'll sell only 45,000 copies? :)

LOL! Touche! -- Chuck Kandler Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

I don't think connection speed will be as big an issue in N4 as it was in N3. I run both GPL and N4 off the same server and people are getting the same quality of a connection. One gentleman (I use that term lightly <G>) I know in Australia had excellent connections to my GPL server and I suspect he will in N4. I know others that race on 28.8 modems (and I have raced on a 14.4 when my fast connection when belly up for a few days) and had no problems. Mike "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:36:05 GMT, "Michael Horton"<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >One word....MULTI-PLAYER (or is that two words with a hyphen in it). Why > >race against 2 or 3 or even 12 AI cars when you can race up to 43 real > >people? > > > > Michael, everyone doesn't have the connection speed necessary > for online racing. > > ><[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> >> the 80 meg download complete to have a free demo to last them until the > >> full game comes out, in my opinion, the fun factor is cut in half with > >> no other cars on the track with you like the other demos I've > >> tried, ie, DTRSC, NH, Insane, I thought I'd let you know you will be > >> racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > >> far as getting a "racing" demo. >

I'll give you that point but, like in GPL or N3, if you race with people you know you won't have that problem. Also it's extremely easy for the server host to give the boot to an idiot. Mike "Amp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:36:05 GMT, "Michael Horton" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >One word....MULTI-PLAYER (or is that two words with a hyphen in it). Why > >race against 2 or 3 or even 12 AI cars when you can race up to 43 real > >people? > > Because a lot of the people driving online are worse drivers than the > AI. Then there are the dickheads who deliberately cause accidents to > ruin the game for everyone else. Been there - done that, no thx. >

On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:03:24 GMT, "Michael Horton" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I'll give you that point but, like in GPL or N3, if you race with people you >know you won't have that problem. Also it's extremely easy for the server >host to give the boot to an idiot. Well, maybe I'll join a league one of these days and give it another try.

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>> >> It was the same with the GPL demo. No AI, just you & 1 track. And the >> rest, as they say, is legend. :-) >> This one will go places. >> > >does that mean it'll sell only 45,000 copies? :) >

LOL.. I got a good chuckle out of this. Not too long ago (and still going on) there were many that suggested that GPL didn't sell well because of the physics. They say it was too hard to drive so no one wanted to buy it (or something simular to that effect). I wonder how many will say the same about N4. ;-)

"Mike Barlow> > LOL.. I got a good chuckle out of this. Not too long ago (and still > going on) there were many that suggested that GPL didn't sell well because > of the physics. They say it was too hard to drive so no one wanted to buy > it (or something simular to that effect). I wonder how many will say the > same about N4. ;-) > I'm betting that the Tally Masters in N3 will go running back to WON after only a short time. Once the avg N3 guy, who has pretty well mastered the N3 physics, gets a load of the N4 driving...they will begin spouting how wrong and bad and downright poor the N4 driving model is. dave henrie

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> > "Mike Barlow> > > LOL.. I got a good chuckle out of this. Not too long ago (and still > > going on) there were many that suggested that GPL didn't sell well because > > of the physics. They say it was too hard to drive so no one wanted to buy > > it (or something simular to that effect). I wonder how many will say the > > same about N4. ;-) > > > I'm betting that the Tally Masters in N3 will go running back to WON > after only a short time. Once the avg N3 guy, who has pretty well mastered > the N3 physics, gets a load of the N4 driving...they will begin spouting how > wrong and bad and downright poor the N4 driving model is. > dave henrie

Hell, we're already getting some NH fans that are unhappy with N4, & it's only a pre-alpha for crying out loud. :-) -- Chuck Kandler Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 22:15:53 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Hell, we're already getting some NH fans that are unhappy with N4, & >it's only a pre-alpha for crying out loud. :-) NH was touted as having pretty realistic physics so don't know why you say that. I'm just more interested in which is more realistic. NH cars pull to the left too in hardcore mode, but N4 pulls a lot harder. Which is closer to reality?

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jeff Vincent) writes: >>Michael, everyone doesn't have the connection speed necessary >>for online racing. > > I race GPL regularly at 21.6kbps. I'd assume N4's requirements are >similar. How many people don't have a connection that fast? I've noticed that I see much more warping in N3 than I do in GPL. I'd guess that N4 would also have higher online requirements... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +44.17 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <UClW5.32544$[email hidden]>, "Michael Horton" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Doesn't appear too Eldred. Ron Ayton couldn't stay connected for the life of >him in N3 (or if he did it was warp city). He's joined my server plus some >others and had very good connections. Last night on my server I backed off >and let him pass me so I could see if he was warping (that's my story and >I'm sticking to it <G>). A little side to side movement (I'm talking maybe 6 >inches) and no disappearing. He told me then that his lat/qual was the same >as when my GPL server is running.

Ok, that's encouraging... Maybe Papy got it right(better?). :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +44.17 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Doesn't appear too Eldred. Ron Ayton couldn't stay connected for the life of him in N3 (or if he did it was warp city). He's joined my server plus some others and had very good connections. Last night on my server I backed off and let him pass me so I could see if he was warping (that's my story and I'm sticking to it <G>). A little side to side movement (I'm talking maybe 6 inches) and no disappearing. He told me then that his lat/qual was the same as when my GPL server is running. Mike "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jeff > Vincent) writes: > > >>Michael, everyone doesn't have the connection speed necessary > >>for online racing. > > > > I race GPL regularly at 21.6kbps. I'd assume N4's requirements are > >similar. How many people don't have a connection that fast? > > I've noticed that I see much more warping in N3 than I do in GPL. I'd

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> that N4 would also have higher online requirements... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +44.17 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Michael Horton <[email hidden]> wrote in article <D8HV5.30659$[email hidden]>... > I don't think connection speed will be as big an issue in N4 as itwas in > N3. I run both GPL and N4 off the same server and people are gettingthe > same quality of a connection. One gentleman (I use that term lightly<G>) I > know in Australia had excellent connections to my GPL server and Isuspect > he will in N4. I know others that race on 28.8 modems (and I haveraced on a > 14.4 when my fast connection when belly up for a few days) and had no > problems. > > Mike > Hi Mike, Next time i come across you on a Yeti hunting expedition, i intend to drive straight past and leave you to find your own way back to the track... <G> FWIW, Mike is dead correct regards to connection speeds verses on-line play.. A analogue modem is heaps fast enough for a client in GPL, N4 and all other games/sims i have tried on-line and will provide for excellent stable connections and warp free play, providing the client has taken the time to set up his/her modem for internet play.. The biggest mistake analogue users make for on-lione play is to connect at 56k, thinking the lower latency readings are more important than quality readings.. (big mistake) Quality is more important than speed for a client... Cheers, Ron (supposed gentleman)

[email hidden] wrote in <903tn5$l4h$[email hidden]>: >I thought I'd let you know you will be >racing? alone on the track. Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as >far as getting a "racing" demo. > The multiplayer works in the demo. No problem running with other cars :)

GPL never had AI to race either and I believe that it turned out to be a reasonably good title! MS Fun to some extent, but it ain't no NH as > far as getting a "racing" demo. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.