Re: N4 - Wonder how Papyrus....

>I would expect a modern NASCAR to be no more or less difficult to >drive{than a 1967 F1}...just different. > While GPL has an undeserved reputation as impossibly hard, this statement just is silly. The heavy, high polar moment of inertia stockcar has much longer response times. And, outside of a few short ovals, putting the power down is nowhere near as difficult (power/weight ratio and tires). Winning races may be comparably hard, but driving the cars quickly - no way.

will set up the AI to run. Personally, I think it would be really neat if those people who were _so_ upset that they couldn't drive a 1967 F1 car like Jimmy Clark find out they also can't drive a Winston Cup car like Mark Martin. Reality is hell, isn't it :-)

and have a commercial flop for the 2nd time..... I don't think so. Doug <bob> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > will set up the AI to run. > > Personally, I think it would be really neat if those people who were > _so_ upset that they couldn't drive a 1967 F1 car like Jimmy Clark > find out they also can't drive a Winston Cup car like Mark Martin. > Reality is hell, isn't it :-)

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > and have a commercial flop for the 2nd time..... Well see. It got the big NASCAR stamp on it, so theoretically they can't fail. If it only sells 40.000 it will be a evidence that papy's engine is too hardcore. Time will tell, it can go either way i think. I didn't find N4 that hard, or at least it is possible to do several laps with the car on the track, which was impossible in the days GPL came out, but noone is really expecting a stockcar to be as difficult to drive as a vintage F1-car. Another thing is that I have two years of GPL experience now... It would be fun to try N4 if my sim-"skills" were suddenly removed. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

This is a totally erroneous conclusion that has been perpetrated herein over the past 3 years purely and simply because of the physics modelling in GPL. All 1967 Grand Prix cars are NOT difficult to drive. It might be difficult to drive them at 1967 racing speeds and the skills of you or I wouldn't even come up to the armpits of the drivers who captained these machines. But they are NOT all mobile minefields just waiting to be trodden on. I would expect a modern NASCAR to be no more or less difficult to drive...just different. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > but noone is really expecting a stockcar to be as difficult > to drive as a vintage F1-car. Another thing is that I have two years > of GPL experience now... It would be fun to try N4 if my sim-"skills" > were suddenly removed. >

definitely ... as has been stated before ... as the sims get more sophisticated they will be easier and easier to drive. However it will take the truly gifted to push the cars to the limit and keep them there for spectacular times. Any one of us should be able to jump into any race car and potter around a track quite safely, even up to about 7 or 8 tenths. Its going past that, that makes the great drivers so good. Shane Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This is a totally erroneous conclusion that has been perpetrated hereinover > the past 3 years purely and simply because of the physics modelling inGPL. > > All 1967 Grand Prix cars are NOT difficult to drive. > It might be difficult to drive them at 1967 racing speeds and the skillsof

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> you or I wouldn't even come up to the armpits of the drivers who captained > these machines. > > But they are NOT all mobile minefields just waiting to be trodden on. > > I would expect a modern NASCAR to be no more or less difficult to > drive...just different. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > but noone is really expecting a stockcar to be as difficult > > to drive as a vintage F1-car. Another thing is that I have two years > > of GPL experience now... It would be fun to try N4 if my sim-"skills" > > were suddenly removed. > > > > >

Shane Lowry <[email hidden]> writes: >definitely ... as has been stated before ... as the sims get more >sophisticated they will be easier and easier to drive. However it will take >the truly gifted to push the cars to the limit and keep them there for >spectacular times. Any one of us should be able to jump into any race car >and potter around a track quite safely, even up to about 7 or 8 tenths. Its >going past that, that makes the great drivers so good. Well, ... When a Finnish 4 time rally World Champion Tommi Makinen had a test drive in Williams F1 a year or two ago, he nearly destroyed the car! I just do not believe that it true that "Any one of us should be able to jump into any race car and potter around a track quite safely," And I guess Tommi must be much better a driver than "anyone of us"... So at least F1's are difficult. I've no idea of the difficulty of Nascars', though. I guess they are not more difficult than modern rally cars? Arto

I also suspect that the difference/unfamiliarity with the aerodynamic aids of the modern formula/indy open wheel cars can make a difference. Andretti/Foyt/Donahue et al. were not racing cars that depended on the huge downforces provided by the wings. The transition from a tintop with no wings to an open wheeler without wings is probably not as dramatic as the transition from a stock car or rally car to a bewinged formula car. A Car and Driver editor drove a CART car a couple years ago and found that it was very difficult to potter around a track in. At higher speeds, however, the downforce makes it driveable (actually, the physics in ICR2 also prove that. Just another $0.02 (discounts available for members) -Diamondcutter On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:44:57 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Exactly! >That is what helped make people like the top-level drivers of the 60's and >70's so good at their craft; look at the number of them who raced in so many >different variations of the sport. > >Apart from Clark, Hill also raced sports cars/prototypes, as did Phil Hill, >Gurney, McLaren, Amon, Stewart (that ferocious Can-Am Lola keeps coming back >to me!) ad nauseum. > >Special people, alright.

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On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:43:30 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Which reminds me of a quote by Mario Andretti, he was asked if he found >it difficult to move from one type of racing to the other, I believe his >reply was; >"If you can drive a race car, you can drive a race car...." Wow, I wonder if his son agrees with him....? :-) John

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:33:58 -0000, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote: >and have a commercial flop for the 2nd time..... >I don't think so. GPL wasn't a "commercial flop" because it was hard to drive, it sold fewer units than other titles because it wasn't NASCAR and it wasn't F1. Personally I reckon you could plaster the NASCAR logo on a turd and it would fly off the shelves (and past examples have demostrated that to be true to a large extent), so I doubt N4 would be a flop however hard it is to drive. It's already more difficult than N3, particularly pulling away from low speed or pit stall, or braking and turning into tighter turns. The road courses will be a hoot. It almost makes ovals interesting to drive. Almost... :-) John

I have no expirence with any race car, but I'm racing fan for a long time. From what I read about racing, racing classes are been deliberatly formulated to be dificult to drive so that you have to be skilled to drive race car.This is why F1 without wings has 400 PS and with wings much more. The higher the class the higher the skill. F1 and Winston Cup are both top class. "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : If Clark could successfully move around from F1 Lotus to Aston Martin (VEV?) : to Lotus Cortina to Ford Stocker to F2 Lotus to Lotus 38 then, as I said, : the cars are "different"....no easier, no harder, just "different". : : -- : Regards, : Bruce Kennewell, : Canberra, Australia. : --------------------------- : : <bob> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : > >I would expect a modern NASCAR to be no more or less difficult to : > >drive{than a 1967 F1}...just different. : > > : > While GPL has an undeserved reputation as impossibly hard, : > this statement just is silly. The heavy, high polar moment of inertia : > stockcar has much longer response times. And, outside of a few short : > ovals, putting the power down is nowhere near as difficult : > (power/weight ratio and tires). Winning races may be comparably : > hard, but driving the cars quickly - no way. : :

Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote: : This is a totally erroneous conclusion that has been perpetrated herein over : the past 3 years purely and simply because of the physics modelling in GPL. : All 1967 Grand Prix cars are NOT difficult to drive. : It might be difficult to drive them at 1967 racing speeds and the skills of : you or I wouldn't even come up to the armpits of the drivers who captained : these machines. : But they are NOT all mobile minefields just waiting to be trodden on. : I would expect a modern NASCAR to be no more or less difficult to : drive...just different. Wow - I've been reading this group for years and I can't remember bruce saying anything I've agreed with before. Now I'm worried. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

Arto Wikla <[email hidden]> wrote: : Well, ... When a Finnish 4 time rally World Champion Tommi Makinen : had a test drive in Williams F1 a year or two ago, he nearly : destroyed the car! I just do not believe that it true that : "Any one of us should be able to jump into any race car and potter : around a track quite safely," And I guess Tommi must be much better : a driver than "anyone of us"... So at least F1's are difficult. I've : no idea of the difficulty of Nascars', though. I guess they are not : more difficult than modern rally cars? Tommi nearly destroyed the car because he changed down a gear not up because rally steering gear change went the opposite way to the williams at the time. He wasn't pottering round at the time he was at or near the limit of the car putting in fast laps. Nothing to do with "pottering" a skilled driver pushing quite hard. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > If Clark could successfully move around from F1 Lotus to Aston Martin (VEV?) > to Lotus Cortina to Ford Stocker to F2 Lotus to Lotus 38 then, as I said, > the cars are "different"....no easier, no harder, just "different". Which reminds me of a quote by Mario Andretti, he was asked if he found it difficult to move from one type of racing to the other, I believe his reply was; "If you can drive a race car, you can drive a race car...." Loved that :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Exactly! That is what helped make people like the top-level drivers of the 60's and 70's so good at their craft; look at the number of them who raced in so many different variations of the sport. Apart from Clark, Hill also raced sports cars/prototypes, as did Phil Hill, Gurney, McLaren, Amon, Stewart (that ferocious Can-Am Lola keeps coming back to me!) ad nauseum. Special people, alright. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > If Clark could successfully move around from F1 Lotus to Aston Martin (VEV?) > > to Lotus Cortina to Ford Stocker to F2 Lotus to Lotus 38 then, as I said, > > the cars are "different"....no easier, no harder, just "different". > > Which reminds me of a quote by Mario Andretti, he was asked if he found > it difficult to move from one type of racing to the other, I believe his > reply was; > > "If you can drive a race car, you can drive a race car...." > > Loved that :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Diamondcutter <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3a2ee899$0$35014$[email hidden]... > > A Car and Driver editor drove a CART car a couple years ago and found > that it was very difficult to potter around a track in. At higher > speeds, however, the downforce makes it driveable (actually, the > physics in ICR2 also prove that. > I think Patrick Bedard demonstrated long ago that the problem is usually the Car and Driver editors, not the CART cars. :-) Stephen

"Mario Petrinovic" <[email hidden]> wrote > From what I read about racing, racing classes are been > deliberatly formulated to be dificult to drive so that you have to be > skilled to drive race car. Naw, money is all you need <g> :) Seriously, the cars aren't technically more difficult, it's just the opposition that is at a much higher level each time you step up in motorsports. Any type of racing is hard when you reach close to the limit, so that's why it seems harder since to keep up with the pack you will go closer and closer to that *edge*. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Which is why the twitchiness of ALL the cars in GPL is incorrect. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Shane Lowry <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90jpe9$fp3$[email hidden]... > definitely ... as has been stated before ... as the sims get more > sophisticated they will be easier and easier to drive. However it will take > the truly gifted to push the cars to the limit and keep them there for > spectacular times. Any one of us should be able to jump into any race car > and potter around a track quite safely, even up to about 7 or 8 tenths. Its > going past that, that makes the great drivers so good. > > > Shane > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This is a totally erroneous conclusion that has been perpetrated herein > over > > the past 3 years purely and simply because of the physics modelling in > GPL. > > > > All 1967 Grand Prix cars are NOT difficult to drive. > > It might be difficult to drive them at 1967 racing speeds and the skills > of > > you or I wouldn't even come up to the armpits of the drivers who captained > > these machines. > > > > But they are NOT all mobile minefields just waiting to be trodden on. > > > > I would expect a modern NASCAR to be no more or less difficult to > > drive...just different. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > but noone is really expecting a stockcar to be as difficult > > > to drive as a vintage F1-car. Another thing is that I have two years > > > of GPL experience now... It would be fun to try N4 if my sim-"skills" > > > were suddenly removed. > > > > > > > > > > >

If Clark could successfully move around from F1 Lotus to Aston Martin (VEV?) to Lotus Cortina to Ford Stocker to F2 Lotus to Lotus 38 then, as I said, the cars are "different"....no easier, no harder, just "different". -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- <bob> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I would expect a modern NASCAR to be no more or less difficult to > >drive{than a 1967 F1}...just different. > > > While GPL has an undeserved reputation as impossibly hard, > this statement just is silly. The heavy, high polar moment of inertia > stockcar has much longer response times. And, outside of a few short > ovals, putting the power down is nowhere near as difficult > (power/weight ratio and tires). Winning races may be comparably > hard, but driving the cars quickly - no way.

B-I-I-G difference (note that word again!) between a 1967 F1 vehicle and a 1998/9 F1 vehicle. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Arto Wikla <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wikla.976059242@kanasaari... > Shane Lowry <[email hidden]> writes: > > >definitely ... as has been stated before ... as the sims get more > >sophisticated they will be easier and easier to drive. However it will take > >the truly gifted to push the cars to the limit and keep them there for > >spectacular times. Any one of us should be able to jump into any race car > >and potter around a track quite safely, even up to about 7 or 8 tenths. Its > >going past that, that makes the great drivers so good. > > Well, ... When a Finnish 4 time rally World Champion Tommi Makinen > had a test drive in Williams F1 a year or two ago, he nearly > destroyed the car! I just do not believe that it true that > "Any one of us should be able to jump into any race car and potter > around a track quite safely," And I guess Tommi must be much better > a driver than "anyone of us"... So at least F1's are difficult. I've > no idea of the difficulty of Nascars', though. I guess they are not > more difficult than modern rally cars? > > Arto

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>When a Finnish 4 time rally World Champion Tommi Makinen >had a test drive in Williams F1 a year or two ago, he nearly >destroyed the car! I just do not believe that it true that >"Any one of us should be able to jump into any race car and potter > around a track quite safely," And I guess Tommi must be much better >a driver than "anyone of us"... So at least F1's are difficult. I've >no idea of the difficulty of Nascars', though.

I remember about 6 or 7 years ago, Mark Martin drove an F1 car around at Silverstone, at least, I think it was Silverstone, and one of the drivers drove his around. From what I remember - Mark ran fast enough laps to get him into the field the previous year....

>Apart from Clark, Hill also raced sports cars/prototypes, as did Phil Hill, >Gurney, McLaren, Amon, Stewart (that ferocious Can-Am Lola keeps coming back >to me!) ad nauseum. > And you can't forget guys like Mark Donohue who won the 24 at Daytona, the Indy 500, the Can-Am title, and a WC race at Riverside(in his 6 race WC career).

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> > On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:43:30 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Which reminds me of a quote by Mario Andretti, he was asked if he found > >it difficult to move from one type of racing to the other, I believe his > >reply was; > >"If you can drive a race car, you can drive a race car...." > > Wow, I wonder if his son agrees with him....? :-)

Somehow I doubt it....:-), but in all fairness, I doubt if his total failure in F1 was due to lack of talent, from what I've read he simply wasn't committed enough, to the point where he still lived in the US and traveled back and forth, Mario wasn't all that impressed about it if memory serve me right Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Whatever contributed to Mikey's failure, you have to also remember several factors outside his control. No preseason testing, Mclaren was in chaos, Senna was holding them hostage. No engine package til very late in the preseason. Karl Wendlinger seemed to be magnetically attracted to Mikey's Mac...and 99% of the team's focus was on Senna. But agreed, I don't think he realised the commitment needed to be at the peak of Formula one. dave henrie "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > John Wallace wrote: > > > > On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:43:30 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Which reminds me of a quote by Mario Andretti, he was asked if he found > > >it difficult to move from one type of racing to the other, I believe

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> > >reply was; > > >"If you can drive a race car, you can drive a race car...." > > > > Wow, I wonder if his son agrees with him....? :-) > > Somehow I doubt it....:-), but in all fairness, I doubt if his total > failure in F1 was due to lack of talent, from what I've read he simply > wasn't committed enough, to the point where he still lived in the US and > traveled back and forth, Mario wasn't all that impressed about it if > memory serve me right > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

It really doesn't matter at what level one races, the opposition is *always* of a high order and, in an effort to achieve success, one has to run close to the "edge" (whatever that means...I assume you mean at or near ten-tenths). -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RYCX5.51204$i%[email hidden]... > "Mario Petrinovic" <[email hidden]> wrote > > From what I read about racing, racing classes are been > > deliberatly formulated to be dificult to drive so that you have to be > > skilled to drive race car. > > > Naw, money is all you need <g> :) > > Seriously, the cars aren't technically more difficult, it's just the > opposition that is at a much higher level each time you step up in > motorsports. Any type of racing is hard when you reach close to the limit, > so that's why it seems harder since to keep up with the pack you will go > closer and closer to that *edge*. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

No...one certainly can't forget Mark, that's for sure, Patten. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Patten Fuqua <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Apart from Clark, Hill also raced sports cars/prototypes, as did Phil Hill, > >Gurney, McLaren, Amon, Stewart (that ferocious Can-Am Lola keeps coming back > >to me!) ad nauseum. > > > > And you can't forget guys like Mark Donohue who won the 24 at Daytona, the Indy > 500, the Can-Am title, and a WC race at Riverside(in his 6 race WC career).

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>> Oh, MAN - I remember that wreck(ouch). But I don't remember what happened >to >> Pat. Did he recover ok? >> >> Eldred > >As far as I know, yes. It spooked him out of high-level cars for good. > >Stephen

Uh, that's *not* an unexpected reaction, given the results...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +40.48 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If we don't get a way to stabilize the steering on the straights, online is going to be HELL! -Larry "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zsbX5.1526$[email hidden]...

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> and have a commercial flop for the 2nd time..... > > > I don't think so. > > Doug > > <bob> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > will set up the AI to run. > > > > Personally, I think it would be really neat if those people who were > > _so_ upset that they couldn't drive a 1967 F1 car like Jimmy Clark > > find out they also can't drive a Winston Cup car like Mark Martin. > > Reality is hell, isn't it :-) > >

Why not just compensate for it in the calibration routine if it bothers you? -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HjDY5.17782$[email hidden]... > If we don't get a way to stabilize the steering on the straights, online is > going to be HELL! > > -Larry > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zsbX5.1526$[email hidden]... > > and have a commercial flop for the 2nd time..... > > > > > > I don't think so. > > > > Doug > > > > <bob> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > will set up the AI to run. > > > > > > Personally, I think it would be really neat if those people who were > > > _so_ upset that they couldn't drive a 1967 F1 car like Jimmy Clark > > > find out they also can't drive a Winston Cup car like Mark Martin. > > > Reality is hell, isn't it :-) > > > > > >

Because our concerns got us a Trim Tab in NH. We should get the same in N4. I shouldn't have to 'fake out' the calibration'. That's iffy at best anyway and hardly a solution. -Larry "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n8EY5.59171$[email hidden]... > Why not just compensate for it in the calibration routine if it bothersyou?

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> > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > ICQ# 74084566 > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HjDY5.17782$[email hidden]... > > If we don't get a way to stabilize the steering on the straights, online > is > > going to be HELL! > > > > -Larry > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:zsbX5.1526$[email hidden]... > > > and have a commercial flop for the 2nd time..... > > > > > > > > > I don't think so. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > <bob> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > > will set up the AI to run. > > > > > > > > Personally, I think it would be really neat if those people who were > > > > _so_ upset that they couldn't drive a 1967 F1 car like Jimmy Clark > > > > find out they also can't drive a Winston Cup car like Mark Martin. > > > > Reality is hell, isn't it :-) > > > > > > > > > > > >

Well, I thought it might work for ya anyways to make it better for an immediate fix. I guess I'm strange - yes I feel some pull to the left, but it just does not seem that drastic to me. I thought Heat's was more severe than Papy's. I actually have gotten to where I like it, seems like it really helps to get the car into the corners. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J_dZ5.33882$[email hidden]... > Because our concerns got us a Trim Tab in NH. We should get the same in N4. > > I shouldn't have to 'fake out' the calibration'. > > That's iffy at best anyway and hardly a solution. > > -Larry > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:n8EY5.59171$[email hidden]... > > Why not just compensate for it in the calibration routine if it bothers > you? > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > ICQ# 74084566 > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:HjDY5.17782$[email hidden]... > > > If we don't get a way to stabilize the steering on the straights, online > > is > > > going to be HELL! > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:zsbX5.1526$[email hidden]... > > > > and have a commercial flop for the 2nd time..... > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think so. > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > <bob> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > > > will set up the AI to run. > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I think it would be really neat if those people who were > > > > > _so_ upset that they couldn't drive a 1967 F1 car like Jimmy Clark > > > > > find out they also can't drive a Winston Cup car like Mark Martin. > > > > > Reality is hell, isn't it :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I do appreciate the suggestion, though :) -Larry "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QBfZ5.65206$[email hidden]... > Well, I thought it might work for ya anyways to make it better for an > immediate fix. > I guess I'm strange - yes I feel some pull to the left, but it just doesnot

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> seem that drastic to me. I thought Heat's was more severe than Papy's. I > actually have gotten to where I like it, seems like it really helps to get > the car into the corners. > > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > ICQ# 74084566 > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:J_dZ5.33882$[email hidden]... > > Because our concerns got us a Trim Tab in NH. We should get the same in > N4. > > > > I shouldn't have to 'fake out' the calibration'. > > > > That's iffy at best anyway and hardly a solution. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:n8EY5.59171$[email hidden]... > > > Why not just compensate for it in the calibration routine if it

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> > you? > > > > > > -- > > > Don Burnette > > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > > ICQ# 74084566 > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:HjDY5.17782$[email hidden]... > > > > If we don't get a way to stabilize the steering on the straights, > online > > > is > > > > going to be HELL! > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:zsbX5.1526$[email hidden]... > > > > > and have a commercial flop for the 2nd time..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think so. > > > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > <bob> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > will set up the AI to run. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I think it would be really neat if those people who > were > > > > > > _so_ upset that they couldn't drive a 1967 F1 car like Jimmy

Clark > > > > > > find out they also can't drive a Winston Cup car like MarkMartin.

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> > > > > > Reality is hell, isn't it :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >