go to www.bhmotorsports.com and it has a small bit from Dale Jr about N4,
and he even talks about that pull to the left in the car.
I think this pretty much settles the argument on whether it is realistic or
not
Dale Jr. on NASCAR 4's pull, then a sewing pun thread
Cliff Roman pointed to comments from Dale Earnhardt Jr. confirming that NASCAR 4's pull to the left was realistic. Debate continued over the on-screen wheel angle, and bob explained slip angles. The thread then turned into a long run of sewing and fabric puns.
Automated summary.
I don't disagree that the "pull" is realistic. Just the position of the
wheel on my steering column. I wish DE Jr would have addressed that.
Well, anyways - there is a new DAT Cracker for N4 available at The Pits
http://www.theuspits.com/fbody/nascar/files/DatX.zip - it extracts any .DAT
file in the directory where you execute it with the same name as the
directory if you don't give it any arguments.
Where is that wheel? I want to rotate it just a bit...
"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> go to www.bhmotorsports.com and it has a small bit from Dale Jr about N4,
> and he even talks about that pull to the left in the car.
>
> I think this pretty much settles the argument on whether it is realisticor
> not
I've never been able to understand why you guys get your panties all bunched
up over the onscreen steering wheel position (unless you "drive" with a
joystick). N4 is supposed to be a simulation of driving a stock car. I
already have a real steering wheel in front of me. Why in the world would
you want to have another steering wheel on the screen? Turn it off!
Probably would give you a tiny boost in frame rate too.
Same goes for the silly onscreen shifter. I already have a real one on my
wheel unit. Why have another one on the screen? I would turn the onscreen
one off too if I could.
Rick
"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I don't disagree that the "pull" is realistic. Just the position of the
> wheel on my steering column. I wish DE Jr would have addressed that.
>
> Well, anyways - there is a new DAT Cracker for N4 available at The Pits
> http://www.theuspits.com/fbody/nascar/files/DatX.zip - it extracts any.DAT
N4,
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> file in the directory where you execute it with the same name as the > directory if you don't give it any arguments. > > Where is that wheel? I want to rotate it just a bit... > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:91qmti$1f96$[email hidden]... > > go to www.bhmotorsports.com and it has a small bit from Dale Jr aboutQuoted text (10 lines)
> > and he even talks about that pull to the left in the car. > > > > I think this pretty much settles the argument on whether it is realistic > or > > not > > > > >I'm "Pro Choice" with regards to steering wheels - and I choose to have one.
I will not blast you though, for choosing not to have one. Thanks to Papy
for giving us that choice! Regarding the position of my on-screen wheel in
comparison to my real wheel, I would like that they both match. All you
have to deal with is a steering column stairing at you with no wheel on
it...
David Cook
"Rick Fisk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I've never been able to understand why you guys get your panties allbunched
onscreen
realistic
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> up over the onscreen steering wheel position (unless you "drive" with a > joystick). N4 is supposed to be a simulation of driving a stock car. I > already have a real steering wheel in front of me. Why in the world would > you want to have another steering wheel on the screen? Turn it off! > Probably would give you a tiny boost in frame rate too. > > Same goes for the silly onscreen shifter. I already have a real one on my > wheel unit. Why have another one on the screen? I would turn theQuoted text (24 lines)
> one off too if I could. > > Rick > > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uNm06.91$[email hidden]... > > I don't disagree that the "pull" is realistic. Just the position of the > > wheel on my steering column. I wish DE Jr would have addressed that. > > > > Well, anyways - there is a new DAT Cracker for N4 available at The Pits > > http://www.theuspits.com/fbody/nascar/files/DatX.zip - it extracts any > .DAT > > file in the directory where you execute it with the same name as the > > directory if you don't give it any arguments. > > > > Where is that wheel? I want to rotate it just a bit... > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:91qmti$1f96$[email hidden]... > > > go to www.bhmotorsports.com and it has a small bit from Dale Jr about > N4, > > > and he even talks about that pull to the left in the car. > > > > > > I think this pretty much settles the argument on whether it isQuoted text (9 lines)
> > or > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > >David - I'm honestly torn two ways about you on this. Part of me
admires your fierce tenacity and part of me hopes Santa will bring you
a life.
bob
Uh, fierce tenacity? I know how I will fix it. For me it is just a matter
of rototing the mip file that is used for the wheel. As far as a life? You
hang here to buddy. Join the club.
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> David - I'm honestly torn two ways about you on this. Part of me
> admires your fierce tenacity and part of me hopes Santa will bring you
> a life.
>
> bob
I use the onscreen wheel to verify calibration and monitor pot spikes.
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> > I > already have a real steering wheel in front of me. Why in the world would > you want to have another steering wheel on the screen? Turn it off! > Probably would give you a tiny boost in frame rate too. > > > Rick><bob> wrote
> David - I'm honestly torn two ways about you on this. Part of me
> admires your fierce tenacity and part of me hopes Santa will bring you
> a life.
LOL! Usenet at it's best.
Seriously David, it's bloody Dale Jr. I've raced against him, and he knows
his sim driving. That guy is an addicted freak to simracing, like you and
me. He knows his shite, so when he says it's realistic, it IS realistic.
No matter what your senses tell you. He knows his senses to be real, yours
are only presented via a Teevee screen watching the big boys on Sunday
afternoon ;)
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Frank - I know its him! I'm not questioning what he says about the pull. I
believe that it is realisitic! I have stated before that I question the
postition of the wheel. I have read that Nascar drivers mount their wheel
at an angle to make up for the pull. Jr did not comment on that. No big
deal though, because as soon as there is a mip to bmp to mip converter that
works for N4 I have a solution. I will rotate the wheel to make up for the
(realistic) pull and plug that mip file in the proper directory. If
necessary I will write a simple batch file to switch it out and back in when
I race on road courses. This IMHO should bring the simulation even closer
to reality.
David Cook
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Seriously David, it's bloody Dale Jr. I've raced against him, and heknows
> his sim driving. That guy is an addicted freak to simracing, like you and
> me. He knows his shite, so when he says it's realistic, it IS realistic.
> No matter what your senses tell you. He knows his senses to be real,yours
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
>
>
>
>
>
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> are only presented via a Teevee screen watching the big boys on Sunday > afternoon ;) > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don'tOn Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:16:15 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>He knows his shite, so when he says it's realistic, it IS realistic.
If Dale Jr. knows it, it's shit, not "shite."
:o)
~daxe
actually he was correct in saying shite, being the is was trying to express
a the slang term shy-t or shhhite shu-ite
so there.
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> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:16:15 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >He knows his shite, so when he says it's realistic, it IS realistic. > > If Dale Jr. knows it, it's shit, not "shite." > > :o) > > ~daxeOn Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:32:47 GMT, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>actually he was correct in saying shite, being the is was trying to express
>a the slang term shy-t or shhhite shu-ite
>
>so there.
That would be "she-it"
so THERE!
~daxe
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Aren't they Muslims?
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>On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:32:47 GMT, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>actually he was correct in saying shite, being the is was trying to express >>a the slang term shy-t or shhhite shu-ite >> >>so there. > > >That would be "she-it" > >so THERE! >No, Muslim is a type of cotton...
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> In article <[email hidden]>, daxe > > > > > >That would be "she-it" > > > >so THERE! > > > > Aren't they Muslims? > --This is truely a classic thread ...
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:43:50 GMT, "Colin Harris"
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>No, Muslim is a type of cotton... > >Colin > > >Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <[email hidden]>, daxe > >> > >> > >> >That would be "she-it" >> > >> >so THERE! >> > >> >> Aren't they Muslims? >> -- > > >Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!!
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> This is truely a classic thread ... > > On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:43:50 GMT, "Colin Harris" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >No, Muslim is a type of cotton... > > > >ColinI'm just grateful to be a part of it.
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> This is truely a classic thread ... > > On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:43:50 GMT, "Colin Harris" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >No, Muslim is a type of cotton... > > > >Colin > > > > > >Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> In article <[email hidden]>, daxe > > > >> > > >> > > >> >That would be "she-it" > >> > > >> >so THERE! > >> > > >> > >> Aren't they Muslims? > >> -- > > > > > > >In article <qMR06.49121$[email hidden]>, "Colin Harris"
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Please stop - you're leaving us in 'stitches'...<g>
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>Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!! > > >Jeffrey Haas <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> This is truely a classic thread ... >> >> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:43:50 GMT, "Colin Harris" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >No, Muslim is a type of cotton... >> > >> >ColinOn Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:49:42 GMT, "Colin Harris"
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>Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!!
yeah..it is fun batting this around, isn't it?
~dx
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> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:49:42 GMT, "Colin Harris" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!! > > > yeah..it is fun batting this around, isn't it? > > ~dx >"Colin Harris" wrote...
> No, Muslim is a type of cotton...
>
That would be "muslin"...
mus�lin (mzln)
n.
"Any of various sturdy cotton fabrics of plain weave, used especially for
sheets."
====
Muslim is:
Mus�lim (mzlm, mz-, ms-, ms-) or Moslem (mzlm, ms-)
n.
"A believer in or adherent of Islam."
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[Arabic muslim, one who surrenders, active participle of aslama, to
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Muslim adj.
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> ----
> [Arabic muslim, one who surrenders, active participle of aslama, to
> surrender from Syriac alem.]
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
> Muslim adj.
>
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> "Colin Harris" wrote... > > > No, Muslim is a type of cotton... > > > > That would be "muslin"... > mus�lin (mzln) > n. > "Any of various sturdy cotton fabrics of plain weave, used especially for > sheets." > ==== > Muslim is: > Mus�lim (mzlm, mz-, ms-, ms-) or Moslem (mzlm, ms-) > n. > "A believer in or adherent of Islam." > --------------------------------------------------------------------------Quoted text (9 lines)
>> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!! >> >> >> yeah..it is fun batting this around, isn't it? >> > >It seams as if we're all about to bolt...Needling you, is it???? ;-)
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> >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!! > >> > >> > >> yeah..it is fun batting this around, isn't it? > >> > > > >It seams as if we're all about to bolt... > > You guys seem to know WAY TOO MUCH about sewing and dressmaking materials. > > > Dave Casey > Casey_94 (NASCAR Racing 3 & 4) > www.teamcasey.net > www.lvkc.com > www.buycoolcrap.comIn article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John
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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:49:42 GMT, "Colin Harris" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!! >> >> >> yeah..it is fun batting this around, isn't it? >> >> ~dx >> > >It seams as if we're all about to bolt... >Colin Harris wrote:
>
> Needling you, is it???? ;-)
It's keeping *me* in stitches! ;-)
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> > Dave Casey <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:YX916.13131$[email hidden]... > > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> > > >> >Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!! > > >> > > >> > > >> yeah..it is fun batting this around, isn't it? > > >> > > > > > >It seams as if we're all about to bolt... > > > > You guys seem to know WAY TOO MUCH about sewing and dressmaking materials. > > > > > > Dave Casey > > Casey_94 (NASCAR Racing 3 & 4) > > www.teamcasey.net > > www.lvkc.com > > www.buycoolcrap.comIn article <hGT06.2513$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
I'v got nothing to add. I just want to post something so I can
tell my grandchildren I was a part of the "Great Racing/Sewing thread of
2000."
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> I'm just grateful to be a part of it. > > > Jeffrey Haas <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This is truely a classic thread ... > > > > On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:43:50 GMT, "Colin Harris" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >No, Muslim is a type of cotton... > > > > > >Colin > > > > > > > > >Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> In article <[email hidden]>, daxe > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >That would be "she-it" > > >> > > > >> >so THERE! > > >> > > > >> > > >> Aren't they Muslims? > > >> -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In article <YX916.13131$[email hidden]>,
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> >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!! > >> > >> > >> yeah..it is fun batting this around, isn't it? > >> > > > >It seams as if we're all about to bolt... > > You guys seem to know WAY TOO MUCH about sewing and dressmaking materials.Quoted text (12 lines)
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> "Colin Harris" wrote... > > > No, Muslim is a type of cotton... > > > > That would be "muslin"... > mus�lin (mzln) > n. > "Any of various sturdy cotton fabrics of plain weave, used especially for > sheets." > ==== > Muslim is: > Mus�lim (mzlm, mz-, ms-, ms-) or Moslem (mzlm, ms-) > n. > "A believer in or adherent of Islam." > --------------------------------------------------------------------------in article 9254b0$125$[email hidden], Chris Cavin at [email hidden]
wrote on 12/24/00 7:22 AM:
Yeah, you guys sure weave a good yarn.
rheiser
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> >>>>>>> Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> yeah..it is fun batting this around, isn't it? >>>>> >>>>> It seams as if we're all about to bolt... >>>> >>>> You guys seem to know WAY TOO MUCH about sewing and >>>> dressmaking materials. >>> >>> Needling you, is it???? ;-) >> >> It's keeping *me* in stitches! ;-) > > Me too <bobbin his head in agreement>Is this the same Rob Heiser that finished in the Throphies in E Prepared at
the Solo ll Nationals this year?
Dave
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> in article 9254b0$125$[email hidden], Chris Cavin at [email hidden] > wrote on 12/24/00 7:22 AM: > > > > >>>>>>> Thread! Cotton! I like your thinking!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> yeah..it is fun batting this around, isn't it? > >>>>> > >>>>> It seams as if we're all about to bolt... > >>>> > >>>> You guys seem to know WAY TOO MUCH about sewing and > >>>> dressmaking materials. > >>> > >>> Needling you, is it???? ;-) > >> > >> It's keeping *me* in stitches! ;-) > > > > Me too <bobbin his head in agreement> > > Yeah, you guys sure weave a good yarn. > > rheiser > >DARN it all, would you guys stop it....
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> Is this the same Rob Heiser that finished in the Throphies in E Prepared at
> the Solo ll Nationals this year?
Boy, this is one of the "Is this the same <insert your name here> that..."
questions you probably want to answer "yes" to. Sorry, I'm not him. I think
he's the only other Rob Heiser I've heard of, besides my dad.
rheiser
ymenard wrote ...
> Seriously David, it's bloody Dale Jr. I've raced against him, and he knows
> his sim driving. That guy is an addicted freak to simracing, like you and
> me. He knows his shite, so when he says it's realistic, it IS realistic.
I've no doubt about the pull to the left, but all I saw in Dale's comments was that the "pull was realistic". I believe that what he has to do in the #8 to combat the pull is apply clockwise force to the wheel, not turn it 25 degrees right. The right-turn deal was simply the only way Papy could simulate the pull.
That is a failure of our computer controllers more than Papy's mistake.
We have wheels that turn what? 270 degrees? What is the turning
(radius/angle/whatever geometric term should be used) of a WC Wheel?
Remember they have to be able to turn from pit lane into sometimes crowded
garage areas. Until we get controllers that can spin around themselves
like 720 degrees, then we will always have inconsistancies with how the car
reacts to wheel imputs.
dave henrie
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ymenard wrote ...
> Seriously David, it's bloody Dale Jr. I've raced against him, and heknows
> his sim driving. That guy is an addicted freak to simracing, like you and
> me. He knows his shite, so when he says it's realistic, it IS realistic.
I've no doubt about the pull to the left, but all I saw in Dale's comments
was that the "pull was realistic". I believe that what he has to do in the
#8 to combat the pull is apply clockwise force to the wheel, not turn it 25
degrees right. The right-turn deal was simply the only way Papy could
simulate the pull.
>I've no doubt about the pull to the left, but all I saw in Dale's =
>comments was that the "pull was realistic". I believe that what he has =
>to do in the #8 to combat the pull is apply clockwise force to the =
>wheel, not turn it 25 degrees right. The right-turn deal was simply the =
>only way Papy could simulate the pull. =20
> I've seen this one a couple of times and it's flat wrong. You
don't create cornering force in a car by applying a force to the
wheel. You twist the tire a significant distance, the contact patch
lags back a bit because of friction with the road, and you create a
"slip angle" with the tire which generates the cornering force. Sure
it takes force to turn the wheel but it takes distance to create the
cornering force. 25 degrees at the wheel turns the tire about a
degree, which is probably about right. The only thing Dale Jr. does
is offset his wheel and/or put tape on it so he knows which way makes
the car go straight.
I wasn't blaming Papy for anything, just stating that it was their only choice. I know our computer controllers have limited range, any ideas as to whose controllers we should be using? :-)
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> That is a failure of our computer controllers more than Papy's mistake. > We have wheels that turn what? 270 degrees? What is the turning > (radius/angle/whatever geometric term should be used) of a WC Wheel? > Remember they have to be able to turn from pit lane into sometimes crowded > garage areas. Until we get controllers that can spin around themselves > like 720 degrees, then we will always have inconsistancies with how the car > reacts to wheel imputs. > dave henrie > "Don Jennings" wrote ... > ymenard wrote ... > > Seriously David, it's bloody Dale Jr. I've raced against him, and he > knows > > his sim driving. That guy is an addicted freak to simracing, like you and > > me. He knows his shite, so when he says it's realistic, it IS realistic. > > I've no doubt about the pull to the left, but all I saw in Dale's comments > was that the "pull was realistic". I believe that what he has to do in the > #8 to combat the pull is apply clockwise force to the wheel, not turn it 25 > degrees right. The right-turn deal was simply the only way Papy could > simulate the pull. > ><bob> wrote ...
Clearly there's a lot that happens after, but if you don't apply a force to the wheel you won't corner, right? All other things being equal, the tire will tend to go straight (same direction as the car) to avoid contact patch lag and slip angle. It's the path of least resistance. With a balanced setup, you must apply force to the wheel to create the twist in the tire that creates the lag in the contact patch that creates the slip angle that lives in the house that Jack built. (Sorry, couldn't help myself ;-) What we're talking about here isn't cornering, it's making the car go straight.
> You twist the tire a significant distance, the contact patch
> lags back a bit because of friction with the road, and you create a
> "slip angle" with the tire which generates the cornering force.
If you insist on talking "slip angle", the mere fact that the left front has less pressure than the right front will give it more rolling resistance, causing it to tend to turn slower. This creates a "contact patch lag" on the front left that, if left unrestrained, will cause a self-generated "slip angle" and cause the car to turn left. The restraint that's imposed is force applied in the opposite direction to remove the slip angle and the contact patch lag. That force must be applied through the steering wheel.
> 25 degrees at the wheel turns the tire about a
> degree, which is probably about right.
That makes sense, but the math gives me some interesting questions. It would mean that turning the steering wheel upside down, 180 degrees (which I believe I've seen Mark Martin do at short tracks) would only turn the front wheels 7 degrees. Maybe that's enough. I don't know what the lateral range of rotation of the front wheels is, but to turn the wheels 30 degrees to get out of a tight pit stall would require more than two complete rotations of the steering wheel. I know you can do that on street cars, but I was under the impression that racing cars had a much smaller ratio. Maybe not.
> The only thing Dale Jr. does
> is offset his wheel and/or put tape on it so he knows which way makes
> the car go straight.
If he simply puts tape on it (say 25 degrees left of center) so that he knows which way makes the car go straight, we'd see that on the in-car cameras, and we don't. If he offsets his wheel to compensate, then we should probably have a trim setting on the setup page to simulate that ;-)
