Re: N4 - has someone tried using GPL tracks in demo?

ymenard wrote:

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> > ?Stephen Smith" ?[email hidden]? wrote > ? Don't hold yer breath. > > Uhhh, ignoring the fact that the .dat files are now compressed (yet you can > still drop any file into the folder instead of putting it inside the .dat), > N4 shares the same engine as GPL and have very, very similar file > architecture. It's just a matter of knowing how to, there won't be any > difficulty transfering GPL tracks to N4 and vice-versa.

So you've done it then ? :-= Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

>"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > So you've done it then ? :-= I think everybody went as far as they could considering the demo didn't have the full file lists and information. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

> Uhhh, ignoring the fact that the .dat files are now compressed (yet youcan > still drop any file into the folder instead of putting it inside the.dat), > N4 shares the same engine as GPL and have very, very similar file > architecture. It's just a matter of knowing how to, there won't be any > difficulty transfering GPL tracks to N4 and vice-versa. You must have a different N4 demo from what I have. What I've seen is the biggest change they've made since ICR1. Maybe longer, but I don't go back that far. Cheers Nigel

In article <_GZf6.34$[email hidden]>, "George M. Smiley" <[email hidden]> writes: > Now given that a > stock GT3 lapped the 'Ring in 7:56.Xs in 1997 (yes, a > modified course to be sure) How is today's Nordschleife different from the one in GPL? I've seen some in-car footage that people posted on the web, maybe I should go look at it again. When I first watched it, I had only just started learning the ring in GPL, and although I did recognize a few spots, a lot of it was foreign to me when I saw it, both in the video and in GPL. :) And while we're on the topic of track conversions, have the West brothers made any comments about possible track compatibility/convertability with GPL? Because I would dearly love to hustle the Audi R8 around GPL's incarnations of the ring and Spa... Marc

In article <AzVf6.382529$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> i haven't tried, but I don't "THINK" they would just drop in. I suspect >ol Dave Noonan is messing around with his track convertors to update them to >get N4 and GPL tracks swapped back and fourth... >dave henrie >(imagine the Ring in a 3500 pound car................ >..... >...........)

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"Nigel Pattinson" <[email hidden]> wrote > You must have a different N4 demo from what I have. What I've seen is the > biggest change they've made since ICR1. Maybe longer, but I don't go back > that far. I don't see any major changes in the file architecture, what are those you are saying? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Marc Fraioli" <[email hidden]> wrote: > How is today's Nordschleife different from the one in GPL. In 1970 the track underwent a major rebuild. Corners were straightened out, 'jumps' were removed, the hedges and a lot of the surrounding vegetation was uprooted. In addition the track was widened, a bit off run-off room was added here and there and the armco barriers were installed. It was also shortened by 10% in 1983 when they started working on the new GP circuit. All in all, what exists now is quite a bit faster than the version in GPL which makes Clark's '67 time all the more remarkable. - George

No Dover.trk file, No Dover.3DO, my guess is they have been combined into Dover.ptf "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mxig6.6483$[email hidden]... > "Nigel Pattinson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > You must have a different N4 demo from what I have. What I've seen isthe > > biggest change they've made since ICR1. Maybe longer, but I don't goback

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> > that far. > > I don't see any major changes in the file architecture, what are those you > are saying? > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > >

> > You must have a different N4 demo from what I have. What I've seen isthe > > biggest change they've made since ICR1. Maybe longer, but I don't goback > > that far. > > I don't see any major changes in the file architecture, what are those you > are saying? >So you have a broad understanding of the 3dos and the ptf, and don't see anything much different ? Cheers Nigel

>"Nigel Pattinson" <[email hidden]> wrote > So you have a broad understanding of the 3dos and the ptf, and don't see > anything much different ? Like I said, it's not a major change. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 23:34:26 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>"Nigel Pattinson" <[email hidden]> wrote >> So you have a broad understanding of the 3dos and the ptf, and don't see >> anything much different ? > >Like I said, it's not a major change. Then you definitely have a different demo than the rest of us. Cheers, /Martin

ymenard wrote: > > >"Nigel Pattinson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > So you have a broad understanding of the 3dos and the ptf, and don't see > > anything much different ? > > Like I said, it's not a major change. C'mon Frank, give us examples..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

[email hidden] (Goy Larsen) wrote: > C'mon Frank, give us examples..... I think I've mentioned this before, but when this was discussed on VROC a while back Grant Reeve suggested conversion between N4 and GPL would *not* be simple. He might be wrong <shrug>, only time will tell. Andrew McP

Andrew MacPherson wrote:

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> > [email hidden] (Goy Larsen) wrote: > > > C'mon Frank, give us examples..... > > I think I've mentioned this before, but when this was discussed on VROC a > while back Grant Reeve suggested conversion between N4 and GPL would *not* > be simple. He might be wrong <shrug>, only time will tell.

It is times like these I wish I had the old statement from a Papy employee claiming that converting ICR2 tracks to N2 and the other way around would be *impossible*...:-) Guess we'll see in due time But of course, we could always ask Frank Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Goy Larsen wrote:

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> > Andrew MacPherson wrote: > > > > [email hidden] (Goy Larsen) wrote: > > > > > C'mon Frank, give us examples..... > > > > I think I've mentioned this before, but when this was discussed on VROC a > > while back Grant Reeve suggested conversion between N4 and GPL would *not* > > be simple. He might be wrong <shrug>, only time will tell. > > It is times like these I wish I had the old statement from a Papy > employee claiming that converting ICR2 tracks to N2 and the other way > around would be *impossible*...:-) > > Guess we'll see in due time >

Hey, I never said impossible! :) Given enough time, someone will probably figure it out.

>"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > But of course, we could always ask Frank I'm just stating that the changes aren't major. We are still talking about basically the same file architecture, the same 3d modeling and the same game engine. Someday people will find a way to convert tracks. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Grant Reeve wrote:

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> > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > Andrew MacPherson wrote: > > > > > > [email hidden] (Goy Larsen) wrote: > > > > > > > C'mon Frank, give us examples..... > > > > > > I think I've mentioned this before, but when this was discussed on VROC a > > > while back Grant Reeve suggested conversion between N4 and GPL would *not* > > > be simple. He might be wrong <shrug>, only time will tell. > > > > It is times like these I wish I had the old statement from a Papy > > employee claiming that converting ICR2 tracks to N2 and the other way > > around would be *impossible*...:-) > > > > Guess we'll see in due time > > > Hey, I never said impossible! :)

No, you guys have learned your lesson :-), but it was kinda funny at the time, and it wasn't that long before David released his converters either, it's one of those moments you tend to remember > Given enough time, someone will probably figure it out. Few things in life are truly impossible, "just" a matter of the right person(s) having the persistence and knowledge, hope it happens sooner than later, my copies of N4 is arriving early next week, so that would be a good time, but since we have Glen and Sear already, I can wait a couple of more weeks......:-) If it's left to me it will never happen, wish I had that kind of knowledge though Now that you guys have completed N4, when will you start on "AussieV8 Racing 1" ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

ymenard wrote:

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> > >"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > But of course, we could always ask Frank > > I'm just stating that the changes aren't major. We are still talking about > basically the same file architecture, the same 3d modeling and the same game > engine. Someday people will find a way to convert tracks.

I have little doubt that some people might do that one day, but you were arguing that you "don't see any major changes in the file architecture", yet we had a couple of people who are known for their skills in this area telling you otherwise, and your reply was "Like I said, it's not a major change" Time to back up some of your statements Frank, instead of just implying that you know something that the rest of us don't, for the time being I will consider Nigel's and Martin's work in the past to be all the backup they'll need to do Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

>"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > Time to back up some of your statements Frank, instead of just implying > that you know something that the rest of us don't Uh? Where did you assume that? Tell me please Uncle. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

ymenard wrote: > > >"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Time to back up some of your statements Frank, instead of just implying > > that you know something that the rest of us don't > > Uh? Where did you assume that? Tell me please Uncle. In just about every post you write about these issues you do just that, you always argue with people, but you never back it up with facts, here's an example yet again --- >Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote > Don't hold yer breath. Uhhh, ignoring the fact that the .dat files are now compressed (yet you can still drop any file into the folder instead of putting it inside the .dat), N4 shares the same engine as GPL and have very, very similar file architecture. It's just a matter of knowing how to, there won't be any difficulty transfering GPL tracks to N4 and vice-versa. >"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > So you've done it then ? :-= I think everybody went as far as they could considering the demo didn't have the full file lists and information. "Nigel Pattinson" <[email hidden]> wrote > You must have a different N4 demo from what I have. What I've seen is the > biggest change they've made since ICR1. Maybe longer, but I don't go back > that far. I don't see any major changes in the file architecture, what are those you are saying? >"Nigel Pattinson" <[email hidden]> wrote > So you have a broad understanding of the 3dos and the ptf, and don't see > anything much different ? Like I said, it's not a major change. --- And this is from this thread alone, several people have asked you what you know about this subject, and your only answer seems to be "I know" Why can't you ever back up some of your statements with facts, several of the people who have asked you these questions are known for their skills for picking apart Papy's sims, so far I've yet to see much work released that has been credited to you ? Feel free to set the record straight here Frank, I've been told that Crow tastes much like chicken and I'm quite prepared to eat it, or are you a member of this "Secret GPL editing society" that you went on about in this NG a couple of months ago, and are bound to secrecy perhaps ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--