N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to run? How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at least I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. -- Alastair Ingram www.saxlessons.com

P3 450, V5 5500 1208 RAM. It ran fine for me after I downloaded new drivers for V5. Now it won't run at all in D3D and is to slow to run in open GL. It's always this way with really new games. You just have to keep trying different things, bugging tech support, upgrade as you can afford to and eventually it will work. Its always that way for me so don't give up just keep trying different things Good Luck David Samper Diamond Star Racing http://webpages.charter.net/dstamper "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 torun? > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that atleast

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> I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > -- > Alastair Ingram > www.saxlessons.com > >

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:51:54 -0500, "DStamper" <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>P3 450, V5 5500 1208 RAM. It ran fine for me after I downloaded new >drivers for V5. Now it won't run at all in D3D and is to slow to run in >open GL. It's always this way with really new games. You just have to keep >trying different things, bugging tech support, upgrade as you can afford to >and eventually it will work. Its always that way for me so don't give up >just keep trying different things >

If it won't run in D3D on a V5 then you must have something wrong somewhere. Runs fine on a V5 in D3D using vs-w9x-1.04.01-beta.exe drivers. His won't run due to the copy protection and his specific cdrom drive. -- Jagg

The readme file has quite a few listings on things they know there are bugs for. Read that and see if there is something that might correspond to the problem you are having. There are some suggestions on how to fix some problems. "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... | How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 torun? | How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my | $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem | with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed | tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you | can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that atleast

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| I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. | | -- | Alastair Ingram | www.saxlessons.com | |

I have a CD-ROM that won't install on my system (Panasonic DVD player), but would install (at 1/100th the normal speed) through a mapped drive to a CD-ROM on another machine over my LAN. The Panasonic can get enough of a signal from the disc to launch the game on my machine. If I return it, I can' it use it at all. If I wait, it will undoubtedly be past the return period. Sierra needs to say, now, that they will replace the CD's for those people with problems at the point of sale. Marc. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:19:12 GMT, "Alastair Ingram"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 torun? > >How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my > >$50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > >with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > >tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > >can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that atleast

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> >I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > Alastair, why don't you return the game and wait for the fix? > If you bought it somewhere that won't take it back, then > Sierra has a money-back guarantee. You can find out about it > on their site. www.sierra.com > > I can really understand your frustration, though.

Alastiar: You're not alone. I have only been able to get the game to run with the no-cd exe, but I can't race online. I've loaded all the latest drivers. I think this is related to my cd-rom. It's an old (slow) one. What kind of cd-rom do you have? My symptom; click on "run" on N4 opening screen, see hourglass for 30 seconds while cd spins, then nothing. No cd activity, ALT-CONTROL-DEL indicates game is not running. I received an email from Sierra saying to try all latest drivers and to try to (temporarily) disable my SBL Live joy port, but those things didn't help me. Steve

I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus uses. They are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure they will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to run? > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at least > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > -- > Alastair Ingram > www.saxlessons.com > >

"Steve Rosko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96e31l$vi7$[email hidden]... > Alastiar: > You're not alone. I have only been able to get the game to run with the > no-cd exe, but I can't race online. I've loaded all the latest drivers.I > think this is related to my cd-rom. It's an old (slow) one. What kind of > cd-rom do you have? My symptom; click on "run" on N4 opening screen, see > hourglass for 30 seconds while cd spins, then nothing. No cd activity, > ALT-CONTROL-DEL indicates game is not running. I received an email from > Sierra saying to try all latest drivers and to try to (temporarily)disable > my SBL Live joy port, but those things didn't help me. > > Steve >Sierra is full of crap this time. Drivers will do nothing for the problem some of us are having. I do believe Sierra knew full well that the copy protection scheme they were going to use was going to shut out 10% of the people from playing the game. So right now I have two options. Use the WAREZ (nice word, ain't it, Sierra?) fix/no-cd and forget about the WON servers, or else go through that convoluted process of disabling port-tabbing out-enabling port-going back in-reconfiguring wheel crap. I've chosen to go the WAREZ way, for the most part, only occasionally going the other route to get onto the servers. There is always Kali and just plain TCP/IP with friends. And then there's the hope that IRF gets updated to include N4. There might be quite a few people who just decide to return N4 and then get the WAREZ version, something which Sierra wanted to prevent but with this CD thing has only encouraged. Such is life. Alanb

"Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus uses.They > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm surethey > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. > > > --It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy to get N4 on the net, so what's the sense? Alanb

I doubt that they will replace the CDs, just guessing but what I think they would do is in the patch change it so that it does not look for the CD in the drive and then just rely on the cd-key for online protection. That is honestly just a guess "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:f%vi6.117187$[email hidden]... > I have a CD-ROM that won't install on my system (Panasonic DVD player),but > would install (at 1/100th the normal speed) through a mapped drive to a > CD-ROM on another machine over my LAN. The Panasonic can get enough of a > signal from the disc to launch the game on my machine. > > If I return it, I can' it use it at all. If I wait, it will undoubtedlybe

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> past the return period. > > Sierra needs to say, now, that they will replace the CD's for those people > with problems at the point of sale. > > Marc. > > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:19:12 GMT, "Alastair Ingram" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to > run? > > >How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent

my > > >$50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had thisproblem > > >with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I havee-mailed > > >tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. Ifyou

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> > >can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at > least > > >I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > > > Alastair, why don't you return the game and wait for the fix? > > If you bought it somewhere that won't take it back, then > > Sierra has a money-back guarantee. You can find out about it > > on their site. www.sierra.com > > > > I can really understand your frustration, though. > >

I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!! Alastair Ingram <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 torun? > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that atleast

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> I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > -- > Alastair Ingram > www.saxlessons.com > > >

Alastair, I've seen some suggestions elsewhere that you need to contact the manufacturer of your CD-ROM drive to find out when(if) they plan to implement support for SecureRom copy protection. -- Jeff Causey FrogDog Racing www.frogdogracing.com Home of the FrogDog Cyber Racing School Member of the raceserver.net network of servers "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to run? > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at least > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > -- > Alastair Ingram > www.saxlessons.com > >

"18pACK" <[email hidden]> writes: > I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE > FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!! What exactly are you trying to say ? It's definately not english :)

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> Alastair Ingram <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to > run? > > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my > > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at > least > > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > > > -- > > Alastair Ingram > > www.saxlessons.com > > > > > > > >

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Your brother must have got you that job "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Rcxi6.9448$[email hidden]...

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> I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE > FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!! > > Alastair Ingram <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to > run? > > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent

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> > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at > least > > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > > > -- > > Alastair Ingram > > www.saxlessons.com > > > > > > > >

>"18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote > I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE > FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!! Okay troll. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very small percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than 1%. papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it is virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you that we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez version. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c2xi6.3188$k%[email hidden]... > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus uses. > They > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure > they > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. > > > > > > -- > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy to get > N4 on the net, so what's the sense? > > Alanb > >

Then you should be able to afford a CD Rom that can run it. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Rcxi6.9448$[email hidden]... > I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE > FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!! > > Alastair Ingram <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to > run? > > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my > > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at > least > > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > > > -- > > Alastair Ingram > > www.saxlessons.com > > > > > > > >

I agree. It is not a driver problem, its definitely their cd (or the cd protection). Its totally unacceptable. Another thing people can use is Kali. I don't think they added Nascar 4 support yet, but they do have Nascar3 support. I've seen quite a few people playing on Kali. No stupid key or exe check required. "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tWwi6.3065$k%[email hidden]...

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> > > Sierra is full of crap this time. Drivers will do nothing for the problem > some of us are having. I do believe Sierra knew full well that the copy > protection scheme they were going to use was going to shut out 10% of the > people from playing the game. > > So right now I have two options. Use the WAREZ (nice word, ain't it, > Sierra?) fix/no-cd and forget about the WON servers, or else go through

that > convoluted process of disabling port-tabbing out-enabling port-going back > in-reconfiguring wheel crap.

Well a lot of the complaints I have seen the people have DVD CD players. I have both a DVD CD player and a cd burner. The game wouldn't install using my DVD CD player. This IS papyrus/sierras fault. Other games do not have this problem. You seem to have this idea no one has the right to be ticked off after paying $50+ for this game. I would also bet that the vast majority of people don't even read this newsgroup here, so how would you even have a clue to it being less than 1 percent? Most people don't even know what a newsgroup is. "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:95yi6.61187$[email hidden]... > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very small > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than 1%. > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and itis > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell youthat

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> we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez > version. > > > -- > Mike Grandy > Precision Racing > www.precision-racing.com > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:c2xi6.3188$k%[email hidden]... > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus

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> > They > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure > > they > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. > > > > > > > > > -- > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy to > get > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense? > > > > Alanb > > > > > >

Let me guess, this suggestion came from Sierra tech support. Might as well contact our cdrom manufacturer to fix any bugs the game has too. "Jeff Causey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96e6uv$li5$[email hidden]...

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> Alastair, > > I've seen some suggestions elsewhere that you need to contact the > manufacturer of your CD-ROM drive to find out when(if) they plan to > implement support for SecureRom copy protection. > > > -- > Jeff Causey > FrogDog Racing > www.frogdogracing.com > Home of the FrogDog Cyber Racing School > Member of the raceserver.net network of servers > > "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to > run? > > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent

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> > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at > least > > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > > > -- > > Alastair Ingram > > www.saxlessons.com > > > > > >

First off No-Spam(don't you love guys that don't want you to know their name), I never said anyone should not be upset, only that he may not have the facts. The one percent, while not a fact is what I have been told. And I don't think warez versions are the way to go, because thats what causes the copy protection to begin with. So, in that aspect some have brought it upon themselves. I do feel sory for the others that it has affected and know I wouldn't be too happy about it either. But, I would look for an answer and there have been a few suggestions made that would probably work. Should people spend money on a cheap cd rom to run the game, thats up to them but it is an option. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "Mr. Nospam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kCyi6.124959$[email hidden]... > Well a lot of the complaints I have seen the people have DVD CD players. I > have both a DVD CD player and a cd burner. The game wouldn't install using > my DVD CD player. > > This IS papyrus/sierras fault. Other games do not have this problem. You > seem to have this idea no one has the right to be ticked off after paying > $50+ for this game. > > I would also bet that the vast majority of people don't even read this > newsgroup here, so how would you even have a clue to it being less than 1 > percent? Most people don't even know what a newsgroup is. > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:95yi6.61187$[email hidden]... > > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very small > > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than 1%. > > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it > is > > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you > that > > we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can > > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez > > version. > > > > > > -- > > Mike Grandy > > Precision Racing > > www.precision-racing.com > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:c2xi6.3188$k%[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus > uses. > > > They > > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure > > > they > > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused > > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy to > > get > > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense? > > > > > > Alanb > > > > > > > > > > > >

you guys could always just use a different CD-ROM drive. they're really quite cheap. you can probably get one out of an old computer for free, and just use it for N4. sure, it shouldn't be that way- but with the vagaries of multiple vendors for the PC, that's life. BTW, N4 works just fine on both my DVD drive and my CD-RW drive.... "Mr. Nospam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6wyi6.124925$[email hidden]... > I agree. It is not a driver problem, its definitely their cd (or the cd > protection). Its totally unacceptable. > > Another thing people can use is Kali. I don't think they added Nascar 4 > support yet, but they do have Nascar3 support. I've seen quite a fewpeople

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> playing on Kali. No stupid key or exe check required. > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tWwi6.3065$k%[email hidden]... > > > > > > Sierra is full of crap this time. Drivers will do nothing for the

problem > > some of us are having. I do believe Sierra knew full well that the copy > > protection scheme they were going to use was going to shut out 10% ofthe > > people from playing the game. > > > > So right now I have two options. Use the WAREZ (nice word, ain't it, > > Sierra?) fix/no-cd and forget about the WON servers, or else go through > that > > convoluted process of disabling port-tabbing out-enabling port-goingback > > in-reconfiguring wheel crap. > > > >

Give em hell Mike! ;) -- Scott B. Husted "PA-Scott" ICQ# 4395450 "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x8Ai6.61201$[email hidden]... > First off No-Spam(don't you love guys that don't want you to know their > name), I never said anyone should not be upset, only that he may not have > the facts. The one percent, while not a fact is what I have been told. And I > don't think warez versions are the way to go, because thats what causes the > copy protection to begin with. So, in that aspect some have brought it upon > themselves. I do feel sory for the others that it has affected and know I > wouldn't be too happy about it either. But, I would look for an answer and > there have been a few suggestions made that would probably work. Should > people spend money on a cheap cd rom to run the game, thats up to them but > it is an option. > > > > -- > Mike Grandy > Precision Racing > www.precision-racing.com > "Mr. Nospam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kCyi6.124959$[email hidden]... > > Well a lot of the complaints I have seen the people have DVD CD players. > I > > have both a DVD CD player and a cd burner. The game wouldn't install > using > > my DVD CD player. > > > > This IS papyrus/sierras fault. Other games do not have this problem. You > > seem to have this idea no one has the right to be ticked off after paying > > $50+ for this game. > > > > I would also bet that the vast majority of people don't even read this > > newsgroup here, so how would you even have a clue to it being less than 1 > > percent? Most people don't even know what a newsgroup is. > > > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:95yi6.61187$[email hidden]... > > > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very > small > > > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than > 1%. > > > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it > > is > > > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you > > that > > > we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can > > > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez > > > version. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mike Grandy > > > Precision Racing > > > www.precision-racing.com > > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:c2xi6.3188$k%[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > > > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > > > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus > > uses. > > > > They > > > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm > sure > > > > they > > > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused > > > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy > to > > > get > > > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense? > > > > > > > > Alanb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In our JustRacin group, which is pretty large group, we haven't seen a single case of this problem either. Tom "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:95yi6.61187$[email hidden]... > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very small > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than 1%. > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and itis > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell youthat

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> we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez > version. > > > -- > Mike Grandy > Precision Racing > www.precision-racing.com > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:c2xi6.3188$k%[email hidden]... > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus

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> > They > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure > > they > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. > > > > > > > > > -- > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy to > get > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense? > > > > Alanb > > > > > >

I'm happy for you that you haven't seen the problem, but I have it and I'm not alone. Still searching for a solution. I have an old CD-ROM. Think I'll try the cheap/newer route. Will report progress in a few days. Tom Oliver <tomol(remove this)@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3a8ae1f0$[email hidden]...

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> > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it > is > > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you > that > > we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can > > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez > > version. > > > > > > -- > > Mike Grandy > > Precision Racing > > www.precision-racing.com > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:c2xi6.3188$k%[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus > uses. > > > They > > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm

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Mr. Nospam, No, that suggestion came from someone posting on another newsgroup. -- Jeff Causey FrogDog Racing www.frogdogracing.com Home of the FrogDog Cyber Racing School Member of the raceserver.net network of servers "Mr. Nospam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XEyi6.124975$[email hidden]... > Let me guess, this suggestion came from Sierra tech support. Might as well > contact our cdrom manufacturer to fix any bugs the game has too. > > "Jeff Causey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:96e6uv$li5$[email hidden]... > > Alastair, > > > > I've seen some suggestions elsewhere that you need to contact the > > manufacturer of your CD-ROM drive to find out when(if) they plan to > > implement support for SecureRom copy protection. > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Causey > > FrogDog Racing > > www.frogdogracing.com > > Home of the FrogDog Cyber Racing School > > Member of the raceserver.net network of servers > > > > "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > > > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to > > run? > > > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent > my > > > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > > > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > > > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > > > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at > > least > > > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > > > > > -- > > > Alastair Ingram > > > www.saxlessons.com > > > > > > > > > > > >

And I > don't think warez versions are the way to go, because thats what causesthe > copy protection to begin with. So, in that aspect some have brought itupon > themselves. You fail to see the utter simplicity of this. I buy a game that I know I will enjoy. It doesn't work for me because of a copy protection scheme the makers made a conscious decision to use. So I go to WAREZ and get what I paid for in the first place. I call that the company bringing back on themselves what they are trying to prevent. Sure, you're a Papyrus supporter and they allowed you to be a tester. It's not surprising that you take the stance you're taking. But I and many others are getting screwed here: how can you fault us for doing what we have to do? Your logic is flawed. We are not bringing anything upon ourselves. It's obvious that it's Papyrus that's doing that. Alanb

Steve, can I suggest that when you do try a new cd rom that you disable the other drive temporarily if you do leave it in the system. I would be interested in hearing how it worked out. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "Steve Rosko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96er5j$2a2$[email hidden]... > I'm happy for you that you haven't seen the problem, but I have it and I'm > not alone. Still searching for a solution. I have an old CD-ROM. Think > I'll try the cheap/newer route. Will report progress in a few days. > Tom Oliver <tomol(remove this)@mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:3a8ae1f0$[email hidden]... > > In our JustRacin group, which is pretty large group, we haven't seen a > > single case of this problem either. > > > > Tom > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:95yi6.61187$[email hidden]... > > > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very > small > > > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than > 1%. > > > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it > > is > > > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you > > that > > > we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can > > > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez > > > version. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mike Grandy > > > Precision Racing > > > www.precision-racing.com > > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:c2xi6.3188$k%[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > > > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > > > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus > > uses. > > > > They > > > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm > sure > > > > they > > > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused > > > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy > to > > > get > > > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense? > > > > > > > > Alanb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

There are several different options rather than supporting an illeagal existence by a warez site. Do you buy a piece of hardware and when it soen't work for you tell the company that made it to make it work, or do you return it. I really suggest that if you enjoy Nascar sims then install a cheap cd rom and install it. Disable the drive thats giving you problems before you install the software and you should not have a problem. Why do you insist that it wouldn't bother me, of course it would. I'd bet you one thing though, instead of coming on here and whining about it I would have already figured out a way to get it to work. Another thing, we don't need to come on here and get blasted for trying to help. We were fortunate enough to be able to test and have some knowledge about problems to be able o help out when we can. We aren't required to, we do it because we like helping others who enjoy doing what we do. You can either take my suggestions or leave them, thats up you. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zUCi6.921$[email hidden]... > And I > > don't think warez versions are the way to go, because thats what causes > the > > copy protection to begin with. So, in that aspect some have brought it > upon > > themselves. > > You fail to see the utter simplicity of this. I buy a game that I know I > will enjoy. It doesn't work for me because of a copy protection scheme the > makers made a conscious decision to use. So I go to WAREZ and get what I > paid for in the first place. > > I call that the company bringing back on themselves what they are trying to > prevent. Sure, you're a Papyrus supporter and they allowed you to be a > tester. It's not surprising that you take the stance you're taking. But I > and many others are getting screwed here: how can you fault us for doing > what we have to do? > > Your logic is flawed. We are not bringing anything upon ourselves. It's > obvious that it's Papyrus that's doing that. > > Alanb > >

I would recommend either sitting tight and keep checking back, or sending it back for your money back until when/if they get a fix for it. I am sure Papy reads these forums . -- Don Burnette "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to run? > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at least > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > -- > Alastair Ingram > www.saxlessons.com > >

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> > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus uses. > They > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure > they > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. > > > > > > -- > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy to

get > N4 on the net, so what's the sense? > > Alanb There is no way any producer can produce a game that is guarenteed to work on 100% of the systems out there. Don Burnette

Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more and more companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks to all the crooks out there. It's sad that they have to do this, but I don't blame them one bit. I would absolutely love to see them come out with a security program that simply could not be hacked. I tell ya, I love Papy sims, and while I did not have a problem with my cd-rom or my cd-rw, if I had I would not have hesitated to run out and buy a cheap cd-rom drive so I could play the thing. I can see where many would not want to do this, however your going to run into this problem again as newer games come out I suspect. -- Don Burnette "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zUCi6.921$[email hidden]... > And I > > don't think warez versions are the way to go, because thats what causes > the > > copy protection to begin with. So, in that aspect some have brought it > upon > > themselves. > > You fail to see the utter simplicity of this. I buy a game that I know I > will enjoy. It doesn't work for me because of a copy protection scheme the > makers made a conscious decision to use. So I go to WAREZ and get what I > paid for in the first place. > > I call that the company bringing back on themselves what they are trying to > prevent. Sure, you're a Papyrus supporter and they allowed you to be a > tester. It's not surprising that you take the stance you're taking. But I > and many others are getting screwed here: how can you fault us for doing > what we have to do? > > Your logic is flawed. We are not bringing anything upon ourselves. It's > obvious that it's Papyrus that's doing that. > > Alanb > >

Good luck Steve, definetly let us know how you make out. -- Don Burnette "Steve Rosko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96er5j$2a2$[email hidden]... > I'm happy for you that you haven't seen the problem, but I have it and I'm > not alone. Still searching for a solution. I have an old CD-ROM. Think > I'll try the cheap/newer route. Will report progress in a few days. > Tom Oliver <tomol(remove this)@mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:3a8ae1f0$[email hidden]... > > In our JustRacin group, which is pretty large group, we haven't seen a > > single case of this problem either. > > > > Tom > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:95yi6.61187$[email hidden]... > > > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very > small > > > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than > 1%. > > > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it > > is > > > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you > > that > > > we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can > > > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez > > > version. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mike Grandy > > > Precision Racing > > > www.precision-racing.com > > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:c2xi6.3188$k%[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:hdwi6.61068$[email hidden]... > > > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your > > > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus > > uses. > > > > They > > > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm > sure > > > > they > > > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused > > > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy > to > > > get > > > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense? > > > > > > > > Alanb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

LOL, I think you should definitely return your game AND your cd-rom drive. Pickup Nascar Revolution, you'll be much happier. :) -- Don Burnette "Mr. Nospam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XEyi6.124975$[email hidden]... > Let me guess, this suggestion came from Sierra tech support. Might as well > contact our cdrom manufacturer to fix any bugs the game has too. > > "Jeff Causey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:96e6uv$li5$[email hidden]... > > Alastair, > > > > I've seen some suggestions elsewhere that you need to contact the > > manufacturer of your CD-ROM drive to find out when(if) they plan to > > implement support for SecureRom copy protection. > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Causey > > FrogDog Racing > > www.frogdogracing.com > > Home of the FrogDog Cyber Racing School > > Member of the raceserver.net network of servers > > > > "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]... > > > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to > > run? > > > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent > my > > > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem > > > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed > > > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you > > > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at > > least > > > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > > > > > -- > > > Alastair Ingram > > > www.saxlessons.com > > > > > > > > > > > >

Mike, There's no way to fix it. I have a CD-RW that is three months old and it doesn't work when I use that drive either. My argument stands. Papyrus is not going to stop illegal copying. Folks will figure a way to circumvent the system. Why not use a scheme that doesn't have known problems, when no matter what scheme is used it will be pirated? In doing what they've done, Papyrus has forced me to take other routes. My CD drives are pretty new; and still the thing doesn't work. I'm not about to go out and get another CD ROM. The one I have is fine, except for it won't run N4. I think Papyrus should fix this: it's only fair. Case closed, Alanb

> There is no way any producer can produce a game that is guarenteed to work > on 100% of the systems out there. > > Don Burnette >That's not the point. The point is that Papyrus knew their scheme would cause some problems. So they did know that on some systems their game would not run. Alanb

So you want Papyrus to fix your hardware problems? Maybe your CDROM manufacturer will fix any bugs in N4 then? Get real. My money's on Papyrus in this one... If you don't have the hardware to run the game, trade it in for Solitaire or something similar. No need to copy protect that... Wayne Hutchison "Mr. Nospam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XEyi6.124975$[email hidden]... > Let me guess, this suggestion came from Sierra tech support. Might aswell

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There is not a program out there on the market that runs on all systems. Every software developer knows that it will not run on all systems. Unfortunately with the way PCs are with 2000 different CD-Roms, 500 different motherboards, etc.. we will always have to live with that. To this day I can not get Thief or Thief 2 to run on my system and I bought both, but when they would not run.. I took them back. I was not happy about it, but sometimes you just have to understand why and take it as bad luck of the draw. I seriously hope that Papy does come up with a fix, everyone should be able to enjoy this great game :) "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IBGi6.957$[email hidden]... > > > There is no way any producer can produce a game that is guarenteed towork > > on 100% of the systems out there. > > > > Don Burnette > > > That's not the point. The point is that Papyrus knew their scheme would > cause some problems. So they did know that on some systems their gamewould > not run. > > Alanb > >

Don Burnette wrote: > > Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more and more > companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks to > all the crooks out there. It's sad that they have to do this, but I don't > blame them one bit. Let me get this straight. Because of all these stinking crooks out there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a protection scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software? Hello?? There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue that those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the protection. But such is far from the case. Works great on my system, BTW, but I still think it's BS. It doesn't have to happen to me directly for me to get indignant over the treatment legitimate paying consumers are getting. -- Fester

Yes, I do think it is logical. While it may not stop them, I am quite certain it makes it at the least more difficult on them, and who knows, maybe someday it will become almost impossible for them to copy. I do agree it's a shame it ends up penalizing some folks that have no wrongful intentions. I hope a fix can be made for them. -- Don Burnette "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don Burnette wrote: > > > > Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more and more > > companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks to > > all the crooks out there. It's sad that they have to do this, but I don't > > blame them one bit. > > > Let me get this straight. Because of all these stinking crooks out > there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a protection > scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet > penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software? Hello?? > There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were > virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue that > those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the > protection. But such is far from the case. > > Works great on my system, BTW, but I still think it's BS. It doesn't > have to happen to me directly for me to get indignant over the treatment > legitimate paying consumers are getting. > > -- > > Fester

Like Don said, take it back to the store or Sierra and get a refund. Sorry you'll miss out on a great sim. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2AGi6.956$[email hidden]... > Mike, > > There's no way to fix it. I have a CD-RW that is three months old and it > doesn't work when I use that drive either. > > My argument stands. Papyrus is not going to stop illegal copying. Folks > will figure a way to circumvent the system. Why not use a scheme that > doesn't have known problems, when no matter what scheme is used it will be > pirated? In doing what they've done, Papyrus has forced me to take other > routes. My CD drives are pretty new; and still the thing doesn't work. I'm > not about to go out and get another CD ROM. The one I have is fine, except > for it won't run N4. > > I think Papyrus should fix this: it's only fair. > > Case closed, > > Alanb > >

I missed the small writing on the box that said "Guaranteed to work on any and all systems regardless or any hardware conflicts". Guess I should have read it better. Like I said before, if you want it to run, it can run. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don Burnette wrote: > > > > Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more and more > > companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks to > > all the crooks out there. It's sad that they have to do this, but I don't > > blame them one bit. > > > Let me get this straight. Because of all these stinking crooks out > there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a protection > scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet > penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software? Hello?? > There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were > virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue that > those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the > protection. But such is far from the case. > > Works great on my system, BTW, but I still think it's BS. It doesn't > have to happen to me directly for me to get indignant over the treatment > legitimate paying consumers are getting. > > -- > > Fester

That wouldn't help my problem if I had no access to a second drive on another machine. The install craps out at the second file every time...asks me to put the CD in blue screen of death routine. If Sierra doesn't fix this, I'll just burn a copy of the installation files and use a No-Cd patch--and play N4 for free. I gladly paid for N4 and I would gladly pay triple for GPL. But if Sierra won't fix this, I'll be using it for free...you (and they) have my word on that. I have never had a single with this high quality name brand DVD player, including lots of other Sierra titles. They screwed something up this time and they should be willing to fix it. Marc. "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96e6e2$eos$[email hidden]... > I doubt that they will replace the CDs, just guessing but what I thinkthey

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> my > > > >$50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this > problem > > > >with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have > e-mailed > > > >tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If > you > > > >can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at > > least > > > >I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. > > > > > > Alastair, why don't you return the game and wait for the fix? > > > If you bought it somewhere that won't take it back, then > > > Sierra has a money-back guarantee. You can find out about it > > > on their site. www.sierra.com > > > > > > I can really understand your frustration, though. > > > > > >

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more and more >companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks to >all the crooks out there. One more time: It is NOT thanks to "all the crooks out there". It is thanks to pea-brained technologically ignorant suits at Sierra who can't get it through their infinitely thick skills that copy protection has always had exactly one function - inconveniencing legitimate customers. Period. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

> If Sierra doesn't fix this, I'll just burn a copy of the installation files > and use a No-Cd patch--and play N4 for free. I gladly paid for N4 and I > would gladly pay triple for GPL. OK, I have a HP 8520i 4x4x24 cdrw. Is this why N4 won't run?? I paid and registered the software but it won't work...I dwnlwded the no cd patch and it goes thru all the start up stuff with out the cd and hangs at the configuration screen. I'm figuring the cd is probably ok but my video card (ATI rage pro Turbo AGP 2x with I think 4 or 8mb of ram) might be the problem.... Whacha think?? Personally I paid for the thing and just want to get it running. Don't mind upgrading to a better video card but will be damn if I have to buy another CD ROM player. Thanks Bill Driscoll

Video card is definately a problem. Might want to look at an MX version of the Geforce family of cards. You should be able to get one for under $100. What kind of sound carddo you have. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "b.driscoll" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > If Sierra doesn't fix this, I'll just burn a copy of the installation files > > and use a No-Cd patch--and play N4 for free. I gladly paid for N4 and I > > would gladly pay triple for GPL. > > OK, I have a HP 8520i 4x4x24 cdrw. Is this why N4 won't run?? I paid and > registered the software but it won't work...I dwnlwded the no cd patch > and it goes thru all the start up stuff with out the cd and hangs at the > configuration screen. I'm figuring the cd is probably ok but my video > card (ATI rage pro Turbo AGP 2x with I think 4 or 8mb of ram) might be > the problem.... Whacha think?? > > Personally I paid for the thing and just want to get it running. Don't > mind upgrading to a better video card but will be damn if I have to buy > another CD ROM player. > > Thanks > > Bill Driscoll

Mike: I'm going to Best Buy today at lunch time for a new (cheapo) 40X CD-ROM, no DVD nor write capability. I'll probably just take the old one out and install the new one. I'll report back on my results. Steve

Joe, would the copy protection be there if piracy was not so huge? "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more andmore

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> >companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks to > >all the crooks out there. > > One more time: It is NOT thanks to "all the crooks out there". It is > thanks to pea-brained technologically ignorant suits at Sierra who > can't get it through their infinitely thick skills that copy > protection has always had exactly one function - inconveniencing > legitimate customers. Period. > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

> > Every software developer knows that it will not run on all systems. > Unfortunately with the way PCs are with 2000 different CD-Roms, 500 > different motherboards, etc.. we will always have to live with that What you say of course is true. However, I have a lot of games and only two have this problem, and one was fixed, I think. But my argument again is that if Papyrus knew they'd be able to avoid users having this CD problem by not using a particular copy protection scheme, then they should have used the least problematic method. To say Papyrus used the scheme to prevent piracy doesn't work, since they've prevented nothing. I went out and got a new wheel-- which I badly needed-- that uses a USB port, so maybe I wont' have to worry about the CD problem. All I'll need to do is disable the joystick port. Alanb

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:50:32 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]>wrote: > > > > >> There is no way any producer can produce a game that is guarenteed towork > >> on 100% of the systems out there. > >> > >> Don Burnette > >> > >That's not the point. The point is that Papyrus knew their scheme would > >cause some problems. So they did know that on some systems their gamewould

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Thanks, I didn't know. That's why I tried to reference both Sierra and Papyrus in my posts. Alanb

Just so you know I was able to copy the game 1 day after I bought it and i know absolutely nothing about warez or cracking. My reason for copying was so I could put my original away where it won't get damaged and use the backup to play. I've had games in the past that required the cd to play and don't think much of having to purchase them a second time if the grandkids get hold of the cd. Don "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:phHi6.281275$[email hidden]...

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> Yes, I do think it is logical. While it may not stop them, I am quite > certain it makes it at the least more difficult on them, and who knows, > maybe someday it will become almost impossible for them to copy. > I do agree it's a shame it ends up penalizing some folks that have no > wrongful intentions. I hope a fix can be made for them. > > > -- > Don Burnette > > > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Don Burnette wrote: > > > > > > Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more

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> more > > > companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks > to > > > all the crooks out there. It's sad that they have to do this, but I > don't > > > blame them one bit. > > > > > > Let me get this straight. Because of all these stinking crooks out > > there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a protection > > scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet > > penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software? Hello?? > > There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were > > virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue that > > those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the > > protection. But such is far from the case. > > > > Works great on my system, BTW, but I still think it's BS. It doesn't > > have to happen to me directly for me to get indignant over the treatment > > legitimate paying consumers are getting. > > > > -- > > > > Fester > >

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>"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> FWIW, my guess is that the developer, Papyrus, had nothing to do >> with the copy protection applied to N4. It was SIERRA, the publisher, >> that did this. > >Thanks, I didn't know. That's why I tried to reference both Sierra and >Papyrus in my posts.

Or perhaps even Havas Interactive, the French owners of Sierra. "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:03:16 -0500, "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE >FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!! Does the Caps Lock or shift keys work on *any* of the machines you administer? :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

I bet that you did not use Adaptec Easy CD Creator or any standard 3rd party software that comes with most burners. Don's whole point is that sure, we may be able to do it and may know of where to get a crack, but the general public does not. Those of us that know how and know where to find the crack are in the minority.. way in the minority "Donald Schwartz Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZhYi6.5109$[email hidden]... > Just so you know I was able to copy the game 1 day after I bought it and i > know absolutely nothing about warez or cracking. My reason for copyingwas > so I could put my original away where it won't get damaged and use the > backup to play. I've had games in the past that required the cd to playand

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[email hidden] (rrevved) wrote: > Everyone who bought the game doesn't have internet access. Is this true any more? Anyone with a system able to run N4 will have bought a system (even if just from the local superstore or whatever) which *probably* included a modem. So if they don't have net access it won't be for lack of hardware, and while negotiating usenet could be an issue, using a search engine isn't, and even a novice can quickly get deep into the scummy underbelly of the Net. Besides, here in the UK -- for example -- I work in an unskilled sector (retail) where PC ownership has taken off steadily in recent years. Even if most of the people I know with PCs aren't what you'd call power users, when faced with the prospect of getting something for nothing it's remarkably how resourceful people become... everyone seems to know someone who has a friend who can copy or "get hold of" software. It's just an extension of the underground marketplace for cheap booze, cigarettes, and videos (these days DVDs) that's depressingly widespread. Putting obstacles in their way doesn't stop anything, just makes them wait a little longer before someone finds the solution. Spending $xx now or waiting two weeks until little Johnny down the road, or the bloke in the pub's found an answer isn't a hard decision. I long ago learned to back away from discussing this kind of issue, because moral posturing doesn't go down too well among many people I work with. > I hate intrusive copy protection No disagreement on that! :-) Andrew McP

I don't use a cracked exe. I play online and that won't work. I had no problems with the install so the copy protection didn't effect me but if it had I'd be making irate calls to papy's tech lines. I expect hardware issue's and tweaking with any game but a game that won't run in a modern drive would infuriate me. Don "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96hngr$1hqg$[email hidden]... > I bet that you did not use Adaptec Easy CD Creator or any standard 3rdparty

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> software that comes with most burners. > > Don's whole point is that sure, we may be able to do it and may know of > where to get a crack, but the general public does not. Those of us that > know how and know where to find the crack are in the minority.. way in the > minority > > > "Donald Schwartz Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZhYi6.5109$[email hidden]... > > Just so you know I was able to copy the game 1 day after I bought it and

i > > know absolutely nothing about warez or cracking. My reason for copying > was > > so I could put my original away where it won't get damaged and use the > > backup to play. I've had games in the past that required the cd to play > and > > don't think much of having to purchase them a second time if thegrandkids > > get hold of the cd. > > Don > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:phHi6.281275$[email hidden]... > > > Yes, I do think it is logical. While it may not stop them, I am quite > > > certain it makes it at the least more difficult on them, and whoknows,

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Hello?? > > > > There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were > > > > virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could arguethat > > > > those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the > > > > protection. But such is far from the case. > > > > > > > > Works great on my system, BTW, but I still think it's BS. Itdoesn't

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>Let me get this straight. Because of all these stinking crooks out >there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a protection >scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet >penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software? Hello?? >There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were >virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue that >those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the >protection. But such is far from the case. >

Exactly the logic as gun control. Keep passing laws and then keep acting surprised when the criminals ignore them. Meanwhile, the law abiding suffer. MAJOR WOODIE

Telling people to get a new cd-rom is no solution and an insult to the consumer. Offer help if you like, but not that kind of help. David G Fisher "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fhDi6.134969$[email hidden]... > There are several different options rather than supporting an illeagal > existence by a warez site. Do you buy a piece of hardware and when itsoen't > work for you tell the company that made it to make it work, or do youreturn > it. I really suggest that if you enjoy Nascar sims then install a cheap cd > rom and install it. Disable the drive thats giving you problems before you > install the software and you should not have a problem. Why do you insist > that it wouldn't bother me, of course it would. I'd bet you one thing > though, instead of coming on here and whining about it I would havealready > figured out a way to get it to work. Another thing, we don't need to comeon > here and get blasted for trying to help. We were fortunate enough to beable > to test and have some knowledge about problems to be able o help out whenwe

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> can. We aren't required to, we do it because we like helping others who > enjoy doing what we do. You can either take my suggestions or leave them, > thats up you. > > -- > Mike Grandy > Precision Racing > www.precision-racing.com > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zUCi6.921$[email hidden]... > > And I > > > don't think warez versions are the way to go, because thats what

causes > > the > > > copy protection to begin with. So, in that aspect some have brought it > > upon > > > themselves. > > > > You fail to see the utter simplicity of this. I buy a game that I knowI > > will enjoy. It doesn't work for me because of a copy protection scheme > the > > makers made a conscious decision to use. So I go to WAREZ and get whatI

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I still disagree, it's thanks to all the crooks, and it's not just Sierra. Period. :) -- Don Burnette "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more and more > >companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks to > >all the crooks out there. > > One more time: It is NOT thanks to "all the crooks out there". It is > thanks to pea-brained technologically ignorant suits at Sierra who > can't get it through their infinitely thick skills that copy > protection has always had exactly one function - inconveniencing > legitimate customers. Period. > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >The protection schemes that suits are using prevent the casual, >non-sophisticated user from buying one copy and then burning >a copy for all of his friends. That's a fair argument, I see where you're coming from. But I still don't buy it. Anyone who knows how to burn a cd-rom is certainly well aware of no-cd cracks and the like. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Joe, would the copy protection be there if piracy was not so huge? Probably not. But that doesn't show that copy-protection prevents any piracy at all. The only partially effective anti-piracy technique is legal action, such as the massive lawsuit launched against several individuals yesterday. That makes sense, it's a reasonable way to attack the problem. It creates a real deterrent, and it only targets the pirates, not customers. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

That is BS. Burners are becoming so common in households today. My mother in law knows how to make a music cd and knows how to copy a cd... do you think she has any clue what a no-cd crack is? She would probably think it is some kind of drug. "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The protection schemes that suits are using prevent the casual, > >non-sophisticated user from buying one copy and then burning > >a copy for all of his friends. > > That's a fair argument, I see where you're coming from. But I still > don't buy it. Anyone who knows how to burn a cd-rom is certainly well > aware of no-cd cracks and the like. > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

heh, they are charging 4 individuals out of the 100,000+ that pirate software "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Joe, would the copy protection be there if piracy was not so huge? > > Probably not. But that doesn't show that copy-protection prevents any > piracy at all. > > The only partially effective anti-piracy technique is legal action, > such as the massive lawsuit launched against several individuals > yesterday. That makes sense, it's a reasonable way to attack the > problem. It creates a real deterrent, and it only targets the pirates, > not customers. > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

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>I bet that you did not use Adaptec Easy CD Creator or any standard 3rd party >software that comes with most burners. > >Don's whole point is that sure, we may be able to do it and may know of >where to get a crack, but the general public does not. Those of us that >know how and know where to find the crack are in the minority.. way in the >minority > > >"Donald Schwartz Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ZhYi6.5109$[email hidden]... >> Just so you know I was able to copy the game 1 day after I bought it and i >> know absolutely nothing about warez or cracking. My reason for copying >was >> so I could put my original away where it won't get damaged and use the >> backup to play. I've had games in the past that required the cd to play >and >> don't think much of having to purchase them a second time if the grandkids >> get hold of the cd.

Hmmm, I did the same and it works, even online. I've installed the game from the Sierra disc, made a copy with Adaptec's CD Copier (from Easy CD Creator 3.5, it came with my HP 7500 drive), and the copy works to start the game and run the game online. Maybe I can't install from it, but I don't need it for that. Amazing what you can do if you just try it (thanks, Don). :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

LOL, ok... Adaptec can not copy the SecureRom copy protection. "Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:09:56 -0600, "Cliff Roman" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I bet that you did not use Adaptec Easy CD Creator or any standard 3rdparty > >software that comes with most burners. > > > >Don's whole point is that sure, we may be able to do it and may know of > >where to get a crack, but the general public does not. Those of us that > >know how and know where to find the crack are in the minority.. way inthe > >minority > > > > > >"Donald Schwartz Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:ZhYi6.5109$[email hidden]... > >> Just so you know I was able to copy the game 1 day after I bought itand i > >> know absolutely nothing about warez or cracking. My reason for copying > >was > >> so I could put my original away where it won't get damaged and use the > >> backup to play. I've had games in the past that required the cd to play > >and > >> don't think much of having to purchase them a second time if thegrandkids

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> >> get hold of the cd. > > Hmmm, I did the same and it works, even online. I've installed the > game from the Sierra disc, made a copy with Adaptec's CD Copier (from > Easy CD Creator 3.5, it came with my HP 7500 drive), and the copy > works to start the game and run the game online. Maybe I can't > install from it, but I don't need it for that. Amazing what you can > do if you just try it (thanks, Don). :) > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Let me get this straight. Because of all these stinking crooks out > >there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a protection > >scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet > >penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software? Hello?? > >There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were > >virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue that > >those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the > >protection. But such is far from the case. > > > Exactly the logic as gun control. Keep passing laws and then keep acting > surprised when the criminals ignore them. Meanwhile, the law abiding suffer. > > MAJOR WOODIE

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"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote: >heh, they are charging 4 individuals out of the 100,000+ that pirate >software True, but just the risk of prosecution can make a big difference. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

In article <07yi6.61188$[email hidden]>, "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> writes: >Then you should be able to afford a CD Rom that can run it. > Until the next 'incompatible' game...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <kzoi6.6634$[email hidden]>, "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to run? >How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my >$50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem >with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed >tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you >can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at least >I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant. >

I can see how this could be a problem. In a case like this, it depends on whether the manufacturer wants to spend resources trying to fix a problem that only 2% of the users have... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <Rcxi6.9448$[email hidden]>, "18pACK" <[email hidden]> writes: >I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE >FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!! > Can anyone translate this for me, please...? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Joe, I hate copy-protection schemes as much as anybody, but you >should remember that being here on the internet and more specifically, >on usenet, we can grab nocd patches, advice, etc. to overcome some >of the deficiencies that the suits have built-in to their schemes. > >We are in a tiny minority of those that are buyers of N4 or any >other game. > >The protection schemes that suits are using prevent the casual, >non-sophisticated user from buying one copy and then burning >a copy for all of his friends. That's all it does and it's probably >all it was intended to do. Warez versions, no-cd patches, hacks >and the like will always be available to SofistiKaTed users >like you and I. > > :)

Then that means that the majority of users would NOT be able to find the cracks to allow them to run a program that they already PAID for...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <uB1j6.286247$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >I still disagree, it's thanks to all the crooks, and it's not just Sierra. >Period. >:) > But the crooks don't have any problem cracking every new game that comes out...it probably doesn't bother THEM... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** The cracks aren't needed. Read my post from 2 days ago on how to get around this whole mess... -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Joe, I hate copy-protection schemes as much as anybody, but you > >should remember that being here on the internet and more specifically, > >on usenet, we can grab nocd patches, advice, etc. to overcome some > >of the deficiencies that the suits have built-in to their schemes. > > > >We are in a tiny minority of those that are buyers of N4 or any > >other game. > > > >The protection schemes that suits are using prevent the casual, > >non-sophisticated user from buying one copy and then burning > >a copy for all of his friends. That's all it does and it's probably > >all it was intended to do. Warez versions, no-cd patches, hacks > >and the like will always be available to SofistiKaTed users > >like you and I. > > > > :) > > Then that means that the majority of users would NOT be able to find the

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> to allow them to run a program that they already PAID for...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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> In article <Rcxi6.9448$[email hidden]>, "18pACK" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE > >FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!! > > > > Can anyone translate this for me, please...? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>We were hoping you could :) > >-Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <Rcxi6.9448$[email hidden]>, "18pACK" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE >> >FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!! >> > >> >> Can anyone translate this for me, please...?

Why? I'm not a Papy shill...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.