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**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** I wonder how forgiving people would have bee of M4 and its well documented foibles would have been had it been released by anyone else but papyrus. I mean the situation ppl are having with CD Rom drives is nothing short of laughable. Add to this the fact that the forums are full of people that paid good money for a Sim that CTD or locks up their system, with no apparent response from the developer is extremely poor. The Martinsville Ai can only be described as pathetic and should not have been released in their current state but the impression I get is because this sim was relaeased by Papy alot of ppl are prepared to overlook the fact that this game seems to need more development time. Alot of these people are the same ones who seem to jump hard on other developers that dare to release anything less than prefect. Am I the only one that see's some sort of disparity here Flame away -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Not me...but then I have been flamed for daring to say the same things you just did. Marc. "Marc Davey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Marc, I've not seen you flamed. Folks that may disagree with how your assesing N4 state their opinions, just like your stating yours. Debate is a good thing. Now go race some other track besides Martinsville and turn that draw ahead down a little. :) -- Don Burnette "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IZIi6.121844$[email hidden]... > Not me...but then I have been flamed for daring to say the same things you > just did. > > Marc. > > > "Marc Davey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > > > I wonder how forgiving people would have bee of M4 and its well > > documented foibles would have been had it been released by anyone else > > but papyrus. > > I mean the situation ppl are having with CD Rom drives is nothing > > short of laughable. > > Add to this the fact that the forums are full of people that paid good > > money for a Sim that CTD or locks up their system, with no apparent > > response from the developer is extremely poor. > > The Martinsville Ai can only be described as pathetic and should not > > have been released in their current state but the impression I get is > > because this sim was relaeased by Papy alot of ppl are prepared to > > overlook the fact that this game seems to need more development time. > > Alot of these people are the same ones who seem to jump hard on other > > developers that dare to release anything less than prefect. > > Am I the only one that see's some sort of disparity here > > > > Flame away > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** > > http://www.usenet.com > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >

Don't ask me (even if I do think you are 100% correct). :-) David G Fisher "Marc Davey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > I wonder how forgiving people would have bee of M4 and its well > documented foibles would have been had it been released by anyone else > but papyrus. > I mean the situation ppl are having with CD Rom drives is nothing > short of laughable. > Add to this the fact that the forums are full of people that paid good > money for a Sim that CTD or locks up their system, with no apparent > response from the developer is extremely poor. > The Martinsville Ai can only be described as pathetic and should not > have been released in their current state but the impression I get is > because this sim was relaeased by Papy alot of ppl are prepared to > overlook the fact that this game seems to need more development time. > Alot of these people are the same ones who seem to jump hard on other > developers that dare to release anything less than prefect. > Am I the only one that see's some sort of disparity here > > Flame away > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** > http://www.usenet.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

If people just stated their opinions, we'd have no problems. People telling me to stop commenting, return the game, go program something better, etc., etc. are the problem. I am using N4 quite extensively. I just don't like having to tippy-toe around the mines to find a track and racing combination that isn't ludicrous. Unfortunately, I haven't found a single track yet that is drivable or raceable once an "incident" occurs. It turns into mayhem. It is just a matter of how quickly that happens. At Marty, you can barely drive a lap before the mayhem occurs...at other tracks it is much longer--but none allow an actual race. Marc. "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s8Ji6.281932$[email hidden]... > Marc, > I've not seen you flamed. Folks that may disagree with how your assesingN4 > state their opinions, just like your stating yours. Debate is a goodthing.

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> Now go race some other track besides Martinsville and turn that draw ahead > down a little. > :) > > -- > Don Burnette > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IZIi6.121844$[email hidden]... > > Not me...but then I have been flamed for daring to say the same things

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> > just did. > > > > Marc. > > > > > > "Marc Davey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > > > > > I wonder how forgiving people would have bee of M4 and its well > > > documented foibles would have been had it been released by anyone else > > > but papyrus. > > > I mean the situation ppl are having with CD Rom drives is nothing > > > short of laughable. > > > Add to this the fact that the forums are full of people that paid good > > > money for a Sim that CTD or locks up their system, with no apparent > > > response from the developer is extremely poor. > > > The Martinsville Ai can only be described as pathetic and should not > > > have been released in their current state but the impression I get is > > > because this sim was relaeased by Papy alot of ppl are prepared to > > > overlook the fact that this game seems to need more development time. > > > Alot of these people are the same ones who seem to jump hard on other > > > developers that dare to release anything less than prefect. > > > Am I the only one that see's some sort of disparity here > > > > > > Flame away > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** > > > http://www.usenet.com > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > >

I have seen Marc flamed for his opinions on N4, which seemed very fair (I don't have the game though). I've always thought Marc was one of the Papy lackeys, but he's obviously not, and I was wrong (hard for me to admit such a thing :-P ). He gives an honest opinion. David G Fisher "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s8Ji6.281932$[email hidden]... > Marc, > I've not seen you flamed. Folks that may disagree with how your assesingN4 > state their opinions, just like your stating yours. Debate is a goodthing.

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> > just did. > > > > Marc. > > > > > > "Marc Davey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > > > > > I wonder how forgiving people would have bee of M4 and its well > > > documented foibles would have been had it been released by anyone else > > > but papyrus. > > > I mean the situation ppl are having with CD Rom drives is nothing > > > short of laughable. > > > Add to this the fact that the forums are full of people that paid good > > > money for a Sim that CTD or locks up their system, with no apparent > > > response from the developer is extremely poor. > > > The Martinsville Ai can only be described as pathetic and should not > > > have been released in their current state but the impression I get is > > > because this sim was relaeased by Papy alot of ppl are prepared to > > > overlook the fact that this game seems to need more development time. > > > Alot of these people are the same ones who seem to jump hard on other > > > developers that dare to release anything less than prefect. > > > Am I the only one that see's some sort of disparity here > > > > > > Flame away > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** > > > http://www.usenet.com > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > >

>"Marc Davey" <[email hidden]> wrote<snip> Wow look at all the problem N4 has! Some questionnable AI at Marty, and some CD-Rom issues. Oh the humanity! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

I would just like to point out that when GP3 was released our US friends here would constantly complain about split axis which was a real miss in this game, maybe they tend to be more forgiving about something they REALLY expect like nascar games... Truth is, GP3 with split axis is still a big disappointment, our hopes are going for F1RC, and when we'll have our disappointment from this one we'll move back to GPL grumbling about "these idiots game developpers"...and waiting for WSC. "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: IZIi6.121844$[email hidden]...

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> Not me...but then I have been flamed for daring to say the same things you > just did. > > Marc. > > > "Marc Davey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > > > I wonder how forgiving people would have bee of M4 and its well > > documented foibles would have been had it been released by anyone else > > but papyrus. > > I mean the situation ppl are having with CD Rom drives is nothing > > short of laughable. > > Add to this the fact that the forums are full of people that paid good > > money for a Sim that CTD or locks up their system, with no apparent > > response from the developer is extremely poor. > > The Martinsville Ai can only be described as pathetic and should not > > have been released in their current state but the impression I get is > > because this sim was relaeased by Papy alot of ppl are prepared to > > overlook the fact that this game seems to need more development time. > > Alot of these people are the same ones who seem to jump hard on other > > developers that dare to release anything less than prefect. > > Am I the only one that see's some sort of disparity here > > > > Flame away > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** > > http://www.usenet.com > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > >

Not to mention its a security item that is causing the problem with the CDs that most people are complaining about. If it were a new 3d rendering capability that double fps and improves appearance, they would be running to the store to upgrade their hardware without a question. Yet, because its a new security item which they derive no real benefit from, its a huge problem. It's all about perceived value. The end user doesn't see any in the security items causing the problems on a very small % of drives. -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xnMi6.12888$[email hidden]... > >"Marc Davey" <[email hidden]> wrote > <snip> > > > Wow look at all the problem N4 has! Some questionnable AI at Marty, and > some CD-Rom issues. Oh the humanity! > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

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You see here, this is the type of response that comes from people that think the game is next to nirvana. Oh the humanity! | | | Wow look at all the problem N4 has! Some questionnable AI at Marty, and | some CD-Rom issues. Oh the humanity!

>"BClay" and I wrote: > You see here, this is the type of response that comes from people that > think the game is next to nirvana. Oh the humanity! LOL I don't even _have_ N4. Oh the humanity! > | Wow look at all the problem N4 has! Some questionnable AI at Marty, and > | some CD-Rom issues. Oh the humanity! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

As it is still VERY playable for me, I'd rather have the game out sooner than later. -Tony- Marc Davey wrote in message ...

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**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** Unfortunately it is not at all playable for a surprising number of ppl because of the lockups and CTD. Very unprofessional of Papy I would have thought......oop's wait it's Papyrus so we can quite hapily take this because as we all know it's not Papys fault but the ppl who spent their money on an unfinnished product <sarcasm> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Excuse me, but I'm getting pretty major Deja Vu here.... For the "xth" time: NO: RAS as a whole doesn't cut Papyrus more slack than any other developer. They just put more into their games and it shows. Even if some individuals (myself included) should be inclined to be more forgiving towards them, they earned this sort respect by 7 years of quality releases and support for their titles. NO: N4 doesn't have "well documented major foibles". There are incompatibilities with some hardware and some people perceive accuracy errors with some tracks and some AI behaviour. Others claim there are more online connection problems than in "comparable" Papyrus releases. (I suspect those same people haven't raced online GPL much <g>) Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these problems shouldn't be acknowledged and addressed, but it would be wrong to assume the majority of buyers has showstopper type problems with the game. To get back to the deja vu element, each time Papyrus releases a product there's the same 4 types of threads: "Papyrus are behind the times with their graphic/sound hardware support." --> When buying a new graphic/sound card, buy one that's supported by the (future) games you want to play. If you bought card X "because it rocks with Quake", don't *expect* other developers to make the same choices Id Software made. "The Physics/AI suck... it's unplayable". --> Put in the effort, get the reward. "What if anyone but Papyrus had released this?" --> Sad to say, but there's very few developers out there but Papyrus who can do a half decent racing _simulator_. (For Nascar games) "Where's the exciment in going around in circles all the time?" --> no comment (done to death). Honorable mention: "Which <hardware device here> for Nx?" <g> Sorry 'bout the rant, if one has a genuine problem/question which can't be addressed by info already available on the group, one should by all means post, share info/tips/opinions and what not. It's just these sorts of posts are getting to me, *again*. Jan. =--- > "Marc Davey" wrote... > > <snip> > > I wonder how forgiving people would have bee <snip>

**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:00:50 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> > >Sorry 'bout the rant, if one has a genuine problem/question which can't be >addressed by info already available on the group, one should by all means >post, share info/tips/opinions and what not. It's just these sorts of posts >are getting to me, *again*. <snip> > Doesn't that post come under the heading of sharing ones opinion about the game? I'm sorry Jan but this game does have some major problems. A lot of ppl can't get this game to even run and if it does it crashes again rather quickly. The numbers of ppl having these sorts of probs put them above being being just a few hardware conflicts. The fact is this game was not ready for release and alot of people (yourself included by your own admission) are prepared to cut Papy more slack than they would any other developer. Personally all N4 has made me do is reinstall Heat, and i'm havin a ball playing it (although when Papy manages to get htis game to work properly, I dare say I will go back to it) Regards -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

> > Flame away No Problem... It's people. P-E-O-P-L-E not PPL. WhoTF are you? Prince? (Notice I didn't say 'WhoTF-R-U'?) Oh btw... If you're racing and somebody tries the rail ride at Martinsville, you're racing with children. Immediately quit the race and try for one with real grown up PEOPLE (not ppl)...either that or race at Rockingham. Try that until we get a patch. Mark McCuen www.hooters-racing.com

By the way, it's BY THE WAY, not btw. David G Fisher "Mark McCuen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lU0j6.79$[email hidden]... > > > > Flame away > > No Problem... It's people. P-E-O-P-L-E not PPL. WhoTF are you?Prince?

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I am happy to be a Papy lackey when the product warrants it...and GPL does. N4 will be great, I am sure, after a few patches, but there are very serious AI problems. As serious as NH's, but in a different way. Marc. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rkKi6.2009$[email hidden]... > I have seen Marc flamed for his opinions on N4, which seemed very fair (I > don't have the game though). > > I've always thought Marc was one of the Papy lackeys, but he's obviously > not, and I was wrong (hard for me to admit such a thing :-P ). He givesan

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racing.com says... Well yeah, I am actually. ;) Cheers, Rod.

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snip > > Mark McCuen > www.hooters-racing.com Hooters racing? LOL! l8er ronny -- This is Linux country. On a quiet night, you can hear Windows NT reboot.

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Too easy. Try another one. -- Fester

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> > >Marc Davey wrote: >> >> **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** >> >> WAFDH >> >> see if you can work that one out (though I very much doubt it) >> >> LOL (universally accepted) > > >Too easy. Try another one.

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In article <SoOi6.2665$[email hidden]>, "Txl" <[email hidden]> writes: >I would just like to point out that when GP3 was released our US friends >here would constantly complain about split axis which was a real miss in >this game, maybe they tend to be more forgiving about something they REALLY >expect like nascar games... I've never gotten GP3 to work well with my TSW2. I asked for help at the time, and no one offered any. As a result, it's on the shelf right now. I'm pretty dissappointed with it... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.