Just upgraded for N4 (V5 to GeForce2 Ultra) - not to impressed so far!

I just switched from a voodoo5 to a Geforce2 Ultra. Things are quite shaky now. I'm using the 6.50 drivers. Have allot of glitchy text when I'm in windows reading the newsgroups! Strange happenings when in Nascar4, sudden freezes while I'm in the game, etc. etc. I didn't get that at all with the V5! I'm running a P3-550e o'clocked to 825. That equals a 150fsb. Does the Geforce not like an overclocked system? The V5 handled it well! I'm also going to be upgrading the processor to a 1Ghz p3 on Monday. I wonder if this will improve things. The main reason for the upgrade is because I love nascar4, and wasn't getting very good framerates in the game with the V5, so I thought I'd upgrade the processor and Video card. I'm also running 128mb of 133mhz cas2 ram, and getting another 128mb to increase that also. In Nascar4, at the opening lap in traffic, with a 30 car field, I used to average about 12-15 fps. I did some reading in the newsgroups, and others were reporting no less than 45-50 fps in that warm up lap. So, I figured after the cars would stretch out some, the framerate would increase obviously. When I got the card in, the first thing I noticed was a degradation in picture quality vs. the fsaa of the V5. But, I kind of expected that in exchange for the supposedly awesome framerate of the ultra card. When I set up the race, and started the half lap before green, I averaged about 18-20 fps!!!! What the hell!! Did more reading, and turned of the vsync in opengl, and tweaked it like some other readers on this group mentioned, and I'm still getting really low framerates!! Although the framerates were very acceptable when cars were not bunched up together a little later in the race, and at certain points on the track. I'll keep working on it, in conjunction with more ram, and a faster processor, but if this keeps up, I'll go back to my V5 that had the most incredible picture quality I've seen. Any particular drivers you guys recommend, or other tweaks I'm not aware of? thanks in advance

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:06:31 -0600, "Juice" <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>I just switched from a voodoo5 to a Geforce2 Ultra. Things are quite shaky >now. I'm using the 6.50 drivers. Have allot of glitchy text when I'm in >windows reading the newsgroups! Strange happenings when in Nascar4, sudden >freezes while I'm in the game, etc. etc. I didn't get that at all with the >V5! I'm running a P3-550e o'clocked to 825. That equals a 150fsb. Does the >Geforce not like an overclocked system? The V5 handled it well! >I'm also going to be upgrading the processor to a 1Ghz p3 on Monday. I >wonder if this will improve things.

Sounds to me like your new Geforce2 is overheating due to the overclcocking. -- Jagg

why do you say that, I put the bus speed at the normal 100mhz just to see if that were the case, but I still get the glitching in the text! Also, when I'm in the game, (nascar4), I get these random freezes, for a split second, no real big deal, but I didn't get that with the voodoo5! "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:06:31 -0600, "Juice" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >I just switched from a voodoo5 to a Geforce2 Ultra. Things are quiteshaky > >now. I'm using the 6.50 drivers. Have allot of glitchy text when I'm in > >windows reading the newsgroups! Strange happenings when in Nascar4,sudden > >freezes while I'm in the game, etc. etc. I didn't get that at all withthe > >V5! I'm running a P3-550e o'clocked to 825. That equals a 150fsb. Doesthe

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> >Geforce not like an overclocked system? The V5 handled it well! > >I'm also going to be upgrading the processor to a 1Ghz p3 on Monday. I > >wonder if this will improve things. > > Sounds to me like your new Geforce2 is overheating due to the > overclcocking. > -- > Jagg

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:06:31 -0600, "Juice" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I just switched from a voodoo5 to a Geforce2 Ultra. Things are quite shaky >now. I'm using the 6.50 drivers. Have allot of glitchy text when I'm in reply posted in the nVidea newsgroup Andre

I get over 100fps with my Ultra at 1600x1200 in low traffic and rarely drops below 50 in heavy traffic (cept I noticed 30's at Sears Point last nigh)t. Your problem may depend on how the v5 was uninstalled and the Ultra installed - could be little tids of v5 drivers still laying around. clean out your registry of all v5 drivers and delete all v5 files from your harddrive. I'm using the new 752 drivers now but if I remember right the 650 drivers were a bit slower than most others. I think even 631 drivers were much better than the 650s My system is and 866@956 (147 or 148 fsb ) You should be getting much higher fps with what you got On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:06:31 -0600, "Juice" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I just switched from a voodoo5 to a Geforce2 Ultra. Things are quite shaky >now. I'm using the 6.50 drivers. Have allot of glitchy text when I'm in >windows reading the newsgroups! Strange happenings when in Nascar4, sudden >freezes while I'm in the game, etc. etc. I didn't get that at all with the >V5! I'm running a P3-550e o'clocked to 825. That equals a 150fsb. Does the >Geforce not like an overclocked system? The V5 handled it well! >I'm also going to be upgrading the processor to a 1Ghz p3 on Monday. I >wonder if this will improve things. > >The main reason for the upgrade is because I love nascar4, and wasn't >getting very good framerates in the game with the V5, so I thought I'd >upgrade the processor and Video card. I'm also running 128mb of 133mhz cas2 >ram, and getting another 128mb to increase that also. > >In Nascar4, at the opening lap in traffic, with a 30 car field, I used to >average about 12-15 fps. I did some reading in the newsgroups, and others >were reporting no less than 45-50 fps in that warm up lap. So, I figured >after the cars would stretch out some, the framerate would increase >obviously. When I got the card in, the first thing I noticed was a >degradation in picture quality vs. the fsaa of the V5. But, I kind of >expected that in exchange for the supposedly awesome framerate of the ultra >card. When I set up the race, and started the half lap before green, I >averaged about 18-20 fps!!!! What the hell!! Did more reading, and turned >of the vsync in opengl, and tweaked it like some other readers on this group >mentioned, and I'm still getting really low framerates!! Although the >framerates were very acceptable when cars were not bunched up together a >little later in the race, and at certain points on the track. > >I'll keep working on it, in conjunction with more ram, and a faster >processor, but if this keeps up, I'll go back to my V5 that had the most >incredible picture quality I've seen. > >Any particular drivers you guys recommend, or other tweaks I'm not aware of? > >thanks in advance >

It may sound drastic (it does to some people), but do a format of your C: drive and reinstall Windows and all the latest drivers and whatever version of DX you like (DX 7a is good enough, but I haven't had any trouble at all with DX 8). Whenever you do a major hardware upgrade, even memory, *always* do a full reinstall of your OS and drivers. You'll *never* acheive maximum performance otherwise. Also, I don't think N4 cares that much about your video card. If you don't have enough texture memory (like me) then you may see some blurriness, but the framerate isn't going to be huge. Mainly you just want some variety of modern 32MB or better GF2 or Voodoo. I think what N4 *really* wants is memory (I have 256MB and N4 loves it) and a fast processor (it doesn't love my overclocked CeleMine 566->708). 256MB and a 1GHz or better processor should do wonders. -- ------------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +10.02 http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/ ------------------------------------- "Juice" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SCrj6.82109$[email hidden]... > why do you say that, I put the bus speed at the normal 100mhz just to see if > that were the case, but I still get the glitching in the text! Also, when > I'm in the game, (nascar4), I get these random freezes, for a split second, > no real big deal, but I didn't get that with the voodoo5! > > "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:06:31 -0600, "Juice" > > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > > >I just switched from a voodoo5 to a Geforce2 Ultra. Things are quite > shaky > > >now. I'm using the 6.50 drivers. Have allot of glitchy text when I'm in > > >windows reading the newsgroups! Strange happenings when in Nascar4, > sudden > > >freezes while I'm in the game, etc. etc. I didn't get that at all with > the > > >V5! I'm running a P3-550e o'clocked to 825. That equals a 150fsb. Does > the > > >Geforce not like an overclocked system? The V5 handled it well! > > >I'm also going to be upgrading the processor to a 1Ghz p3 on Monday. I > > >wonder if this will improve things. > > > > Sounds to me like your new Geforce2 is overheating due to the > > overclcocking. > > -- > > Jagg > > >

It may sound drastic (it does to some people), but do a format of your C: drive and reinstall Windows and all the latest drivers and whatever version of DX you like (DX 7a is good enough, but I haven't had any trouble at all with DX 8). Whenever you do a major hardware upgrade, even memory, *always* do a full reinstall of your OS and drivers. You'll *never* acheive maximum performance otherwise. Also, I don't think N4 cares that much about your video card. If you don't have enough texture memory (like me) then you may see some blurriness, but the framerate isn't going to be huge. Mainly you just want some variety of modern 32MB or better GF2 or Voodoo. I think what N4 *really* wants is memory (I have 256MB and N4 loves it) and a fast processor (it doesn't love my overclocked CeleMine 566->708). 256MB and a 1GHz or better processor should do wonders. -- ------------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +10.02 http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/ ------------------------------------- "Juice" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SCrj6.82109$[email hidden]... > why do you say that, I put the bus speed at the normal 100mhz just to see if > that were the case, but I still get the glitching in the text! Also, when > I'm in the game, (nascar4), I get these random freezes, for a split second, > no real big deal, but I didn't get that with the voodoo5! > > "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:06:31 -0600, "Juice" > > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > > >I just switched from a voodoo5 to a Geforce2 Ultra. Things are quite > shaky > > >now. I'm using the 6.50 drivers. Have allot of glitchy text when I'm in > > >windows reading the newsgroups! Strange happenings when in Nascar4, > sudden > > >freezes while I'm in the game, etc. etc. I didn't get that at all with > the > > >V5! I'm running a P3-550e o'clocked to 825. That equals a 150fsb. Does > the > > >Geforce not like an overclocked system? The V5 handled it well! > > >I'm also going to be upgrading the processor to a 1Ghz p3 on Monday. I > > >wonder if this will improve things. > > > > Sounds to me like your new Geforce2 is overheating due to the > > overclcocking. > > -- > > Jagg > > >

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 03:40:39 -0600, "Juice" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >why do you say that, I put the bus speed at the normal 100mhz just to see if >that were the case, but I still get the glitching in the text! Also, when >I'm in the game, (nascar4), I get these random freezes, for a split second, >no real big deal, but I didn't get that with the voodoo5! Because those are the symptoms of overheating. But, if you set it at 100mhz FSB then maybe you have a bad card or there is a voltage problem, or??? -- Jagg

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:59:26 GMT, "Morgan V. Wooten" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Whenever you do a major hardware upgrade, even memory, *always* do a full >reinstall of your OS and drivers. Even memory? Are you nuts? :-) There is no need to do a format just because you add more ram. -- Jagg

Make sure Vsync is turned off! buzard "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:06:31 -0600, "Juice" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >I just switched from a voodoo5 to a Geforce2 Ultra. Things are quiteshaky > >now. I'm using the 6.50 drivers. Have allot of glitchy text when I'm in > >windows reading the newsgroups! Strange happenings when in Nascar4,sudden > >freezes while I'm in the game, etc. etc. I didn't get that at all withthe > >V5! I'm running a P3-550e o'clocked to 825. That equals a 150fsb. Doesthe

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> >Geforce not like an overclocked system? The V5 handled it well! > >I'm also going to be upgrading the processor to a 1Ghz p3 on Monday. I > >wonder if this will improve things. > > Sounds to me like your new Geforce2 is overheating due to the > overclcocking. > -- > Jagg

Also, as someone else mentioned in another thread, did you use the N4 D3D driver with hardware T&L? "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

I switched from D3D to OpenGL on my Geforce 256 DDR card and got a 10fps boost. I get 36-86fps with 1024x768 and everything maxed. Everything. I am using the 6.67 drivers. "Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Also, as someone else mentioned in another thread, did you use the > N4 D3D driver with hardware T&L? > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Yeah, I'm nuts. :) -- ------------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +10.02 http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/ ------------------------------------- "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:59:26 GMT, "Morgan V. Wooten" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > >Whenever you do a major hardware upgrade, even memory, *always* do a full > >reinstall of your OS and drivers. > > Even memory? Are you nuts? :-) There is no need to do a format just > because you add more ram. > -- > Jagg >

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:25:18 GMT, "Morgan V. Wooten" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Yeah, I'm nuts. :) Thought so. -- Jagg

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:25:18 GMT, "Morgan V. Wooten" Thought so. -- Jagg

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:09:37 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:43:36 -0600, "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>I switched from D3D to OpenGL on my Geforce 256 DDR card and got a 10fps >>boost. >>I get 36-86fps with 1024x768 and everything maxed. Everything. >> >>I am using the 6.67 drivers. >> > >That's about where I am on my GeForce2 GTS 32mb, 6.48 drivers. > >Nice.. :)

Is there a specific reason why you don't use the (official) 6.50 drivers Ed? Or the 10.50 drivers for that matter, they were just released. Andre

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> Andre, I got the 6.48 drivers from the Leadtek site when I first > installed the card a couple of days ago. So far, since my mind > is so blown away with the performance, I have been too busy > playing to install anything new. The only game I have had a > problem with is Flight Unlimited III. It just goes to a black > screen. I put it back on my shelf. Everything else is screaming.. > > Maybe some day I'll change drivers.. :) >

Uh-oh. I haven't tried FUIII yet since I changed cards. Gonna have to check that out this weekend! :-/ -- Fester

You may not want to wait. I upgraded from 6.35 to 6.50 and got a 20% increase in fps across the board in all my games. These are highly optimized drivers. I can't say how much you will gain coming up from 6.48 but any improvement is an improvement.

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> >Andre, I got the 6.48 drivers from the Leadtek site when I first >installed the card a couple of days ago. So far, since my mind >is so blown away with the performance, I have been too busy >playing to install anything new. The only game I have had a >problem with is Flight Unlimited III. It just goes to a black >screen. I put it back on my shelf. Everything else is screaming.. > >Maybe some day I'll change drivers.. :) >

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I advice you to take some time and use some different drivers. You've just bought the best graphics card around, believe me. I was a big 3DFX fan once, but honestly their product can't match the Geforces. I'll check which drivers I'm using in Win98 and post it later on. I don't change drivers all the time, I just upgrade them now and then and it works absolutely fabulous. Best investments I ever did. (and I didn't even buy an Ultra but a Asus pure one). "Juice" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:smpj6.81989$[email hidden]... > I just switched from a voodoo5 to a Geforce2 Ultra. Things are quiteshaky > now. I'm using the 6.50 drivers. Have allot of glitchy text when I'm in > windows reading the newsgroups! Strange happenings when in Nascar4,sudden > freezes while I'm in the game, etc. etc. I didn't get that at all withthe > V5! I'm running a P3-550e o'clocked to 825. That equals a 150fsb. Doesthe

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> Geforce not like an overclocked system? The V5 handled it well! > I'm also going to be upgrading the processor to a 1Ghz p3 on Monday. I > wonder if this will improve things. > > The main reason for the upgrade is because I love nascar4, and wasn't > getting very good framerates in the game with the V5, so I thought I'd > upgrade the processor and Video card. I'm also running 128mb of 133mhz

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> ram, and getting another 128mb to increase that also. > > In Nascar4, at the opening lap in traffic, with a 30 car field, I used to > average about 12-15 fps. I did some reading in the newsgroups, and others > were reporting no less than 45-50 fps in that warm up lap. So, I figured > after the cars would stretch out some, the framerate would increase > obviously. When I got the card in, the first thing I noticed was a > degradation in picture quality vs. the fsaa of the V5. But, I kind of > expected that in exchange for the supposedly awesome framerate of the

ultra > card. When I set up the race, and started the half lap before green, I > averaged about 18-20 fps!!!! What the hell!! Did more reading, andturned > of the vsync in opengl, and tweaked it like some other readers on thisgroup

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> mentioned, and I'm still getting really low framerates!! Although the > framerates were very acceptable when cars were not bunched up together a > little later in the race, and at certain points on the track. > > I'll keep working on it, in conjunction with more ram, and a faster > processor, but if this keeps up, I'll go back to my V5 that had the most > incredible picture quality I've seen. > > Any particular drivers you guys recommend, or other tweaks I'm not aware

of? > > thanks in advance > >

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:27:23 GMT, "Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I advice you to take some time and use some different drivers. You've just >bought the best graphics card around, believe me. Not if you play older glide games like JF15 or Longbow2. A V5 matches a Geforce2 Ultra even if you play Unreal Tournament, and that's in D3D mode. In Glide mode it surpasses it. You see, it all comes down to the games you play that is the determining factor in just which card is the best for you. >I was a big 3DFX fan once, but honestly their product can't match the >Geforces. But, it can surpass it in FSAA quality. I've owned a Geforce2 and dumped it for a Voodoo5. I didn't make a mistake for my needs. -- Jagg

You chose wisely - the ultra only edges out the regular GTS if you have a 1Ghz processor (or faster) or play everything at 1600x1200 "Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I advice you to take some time and use some different drivers. You've just >bought the best graphics card around, believe me. > >I was a big 3DFX fan once, but honestly their product can't match the >Geforces. > >I'll check which drivers I'm using in Win98 and post it later on. I don't >change drivers all the time, I just upgrade them now and then and it works >absolutely fabulous. Best investments I ever did. (and I didn't even buy an >Ultra but a Asus pure one). > >

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