The death of keyboard racing ?

Is it just me, or has the notion of playing a racing game with the keyboard become a thing of the past these days? I just read an article today that confirmed something I guess I already knew: nascar 4 + keyboard = waste of time : ) This certainly speaks wonders for the realism of the game, but now it's just another game that I can only play when I setup up my steering wheel. Remember the good old days when you could quickly stop the work your supposed to be doing on your computer, and turn a few laps in your favorite racing game using just the keyboard? But now almost every racing game I own requires me to clear my desk, hook up my steering wheel, put the pedals in place, take some pills for the impending back pain, and then finally play. I mean this is fine when you're setting up for a few hours worth of racing, but it's not so good when your seeking a quick distraction : ) So is it just me, or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days of keyboard racing? Desperately trying to start my thesis, Leo ___________________________________________________________________ "The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up."

Leo Greco wrote: > > ) So is it just me, or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days > of keyboard racing? It's not just you. I have a CBM64 emulator with a copy Revs for those nostalgic moments. Gerry "I am in the vast majority with my opinions on this subject." - David God Fisher

>"Leo Greco" <[email hidden]> wrote > Is it just me, or has the notion of playing a racing game with the > keyboard become a thing of the past these days? Yes, it's a thing of the past. Unless your name is Geoff Crammond. Oh yeah, he showed us with GP3 that he's really living in the past <G> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:39:16 GMT, Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Is it just me, or has the notion of playing a racing game with the >keyboard become a thing of the past these days? I just read an article >today that confirmed something I guess I already knew: nascar 4 + >keyboard = waste of time : ) This certainly speaks wonders for the >realism of the game, but now it's just another game that I can only play >when I setup up my steering wheel. Remember the good old days when you >could quickly stop the work your supposed to be doing on your computer, >and turn a few laps in your favorite racing game using just the >keyboard? But now almost every racing game I own requires me to clear >my desk, hook up my steering wheel, put the pedals in place, take some >pills for the impending back pain, and then finally play. I mean this >is fine when you're setting up for a few hours worth of racing, but it's >not so good when your seeking a quick distraction : ) So is it just me, >or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days of keyboard racing? > >Desperately trying to start my thesis, >Leo

Come on, you are either exaggerating or you don't have a very good setup. My pedals are always under my desk, my wheel has a quick clamp (MS Sidewinder Precision) and it is Digital USB so no calibration needed. Takes me all of 10 seconds to move the keyboard aside and clamp the wheel to the desk. Then I'm good to go. If I want to play a flight sim I just unplug the wheel from the USB extension and plug the stick in, again no calibration needed and I'm ready to go. That takes all of 10 seconds too. I've never played a racing game with the keyboard, but I have tried it out of curiosity and it gives me no feeling of driving at all. If you want a quick diversion then play Mineseweeper.

You're right ... I was exaggerating a little bit : ) However, it definitely sounds like it takes me a little longer to setup my wheel than for you. To be honest, I've always found that needing to hook up my wheel was a bit of a deterrent, especially if I don't plan to play for long. I just loved how quick and easy it used to be when I could use the keyboard. But then again, maybe I'm just tired of procrastinating with tetris : )

Leo If I may, I am disabled and do not use any pedals. I've always used a steering wheel since GPL with no problems and I had a nice box made so I can just toss it on my bed to race. {Yes my bed!} I am not the best plus many online are still amazed' that I race with no pedals at all & only paddles on my wheel.. I also use manual shifting, clutching & steering all from my wheel. I did run TM's Nascar Sprint but now I use Quillemot's aka Thrusmaster's Ferrari FF wheel. Bottom line you do not have to clear anything to race with a wheel and btw many of the GPLer hotshoes are using paddled gas/brake! Maybe I started something...eh? <BG> Cheers Thom_j. P.S. Also I want *no* pitty from *anyone* when I race online! I am just another online racer ready to kick butt.. No less, No more!! :o) news:[email hidden]...

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| On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:39:16 GMT, Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote: | | >Is it just me, or has the notion of playing a racing game with the | >keyboard become a thing of the past these days? I just read an article | >today that confirmed something I guess I already knew: nascar 4 + | >keyboard = waste of time : ) This certainly speaks wonders for the | >realism of the game, but now it's just another game that I can only play | >when I setup up my steering wheel. Remember the good old days when you | >could quickly stop the work your supposed to be doing on your computer, | >and turn a few laps in your favorite racing game using just the | >keyboard? But now almost every racing game I own requires me to clear | >my desk, hook up my steering wheel, put the pedals in place, take some | >pills for the impending back pain, and then finally play. I mean this | >is fine when you're setting up for a few hours worth of racing, but it's | >not so good when your seeking a quick distraction : ) So is it just me, | >or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days of keyboard racing? | > | >Desperately trying to start my thesis, | >Leo

I'd say keyboard racing has been dead for years. The keyboard just doesn't give the control. I remember with the Indy 500 sim I switched from keyboard to joystick and the difference was dramatic. As for wheels, I race at the desk of my home office. My wheel is attached to a marble chess board (about 10 lbs) and I slide the keyboard drawer out, sit the wheel on the desk and the C-claps of the wheel rest on the edge of the keyboard. This demands somewhat of a light touch which has helped me in racing and my 3 year old Thrustmaster T2 is still in fine shape with periodic replacement of pots. A convenient solution for me. It literally takes me 10 seconds to setup for racing and when not racing my wheel sits beside my desk out of the way. JTRIV Leo Greco wrote:

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> Is it just me, or has the notion of playing a racing game with the > keyboard become a thing of the past these days? I just read an > article today that confirmed something I guess I already knew: nascar > 4 + keyboard = waste of time : ) This certainly speaks wonders for > the realism of the game, but now it's just another game that I can > only play when I setup up my steering wheel. Remember the good old > days when you could quickly stop the work your supposed to be doing on > your computer, and turn a few laps in your favorite racing game using > just the keyboard? But now almost every racing game I own requires me > to clear my desk, hook up my steering wheel, put the pedals in place, > take some pills for the impending back pain, and then finally play. I > mean this is fine when you're setting up for a few hours worth of > racing, but it's not so good when your seeking a quick distraction : > ) So is it just me, or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days > of keyboard racing? > > Desperately trying to start my thesis, > Leo > ___________________________________________________________________ > "The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up."

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:20:50 GMT, JTRIV <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'd say keyboard racing has been dead for years. The keyboard just >doesn't give the control. I remember with the Indy 500 sim I switched >from keyboard to joystick and the difference was dramatic. I used to run IndyCar1 with a joystick for steering and keys for gas/brake. NASCAR1 required you to go to analog control for gas/brake as well. I use two tiny joysticks (CH Mach I) now -- left hand for gas/brake on Y axis, right hand for steering on X axis. Two seconds to pull them from behind the PC to sit on my keyboard wristpad. "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:32:12 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Leo If I may, I am disabled and do not use any pedals. I've always used >a steering wheel since GPL with no problems and I had a nice box made >so I can just toss it on my bed to race. {Yes my bed!} I am not the best >plus many online are still amazed' that I race with no pedals at all & only >paddles on my wheel.. I also use manual shifting, clutching & steering all >from my wheel. I did run TM's Nascar Sprint but now I use Quillemot's >aka Thrusmaster's Ferrari FF wheel. >Bottom line you do not have to clear anything to race with a wheel and >btw many of the GPLer hotshoes are using paddled gas/brake! Maybe >I started something...eh? <BG> >Cheers Thom_j. >P.S. Also I want *no* pitty from *anyone* when I race online! I am >just another online racer ready to kick butt.. No less, No more!! :o)

And you won't get any from me. I used to use a TM GP1 and used analog paddles for gas and brakes. The hands are quicker than the feet so you may actually have the advantage. :-)

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>On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:32:12 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >> >>Leo If I may, I am disabled and do not use any pedals. I've always used >>a steering wheel since GPL with no problems and I had a nice box made >>so I can just toss it on my bed to race. {Yes my bed!} I am not the >>best plus many online are still amazed' that I race with no pedals at >>all & only paddles on my wheel.. I also use manual shifting, clutching >>& steering all from my wheel. I did run TM's Nascar Sprint but now I >>use Quillemot's aka Thrusmaster's Ferrari FF wheel. >>Bottom line you do not have to clear anything to race with a wheel and >>btw many of the GPLer hotshoes are using paddled gas/brake! Maybe >>I started something...eh? <BG> >>Cheers Thom_j. >>P.S. Also I want *no* pitty from *anyone* when I race online! I am >>just another online racer ready to kick butt.. No less, No more!! :o) > >And you won't get any from me. I used to use a TM GP1 and used analog >paddles for gas and brakes. The hands are quicker than the feet so you >may actually have the advantage. :-)

It is not that clear. An average person usually has to do a lot of precise work with his hands, but not with his feet, so his hands are quicker and more precise. However, the person used to move the mouse with his feet while using hands to type on the keyboard or the person used to play bass guitar with his feet while playing solo with his hands may easily have pretty same level of control over his feet as over his hands :> Alex.

I know a guy that plays DTR: Sprint Cars and smokes everyone with a keyboard.....

Try GP3. There is a great competition (offline but time limited) coming up at www.lfrs.com. Or www.sim-racing.net/hof3 for some hotlapping action. Bart Westra ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ "Leo Greco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Is it just me, or has the notion of playing a racing game with the keyboard become a thing of the past these days? I just read an article today that confirmed something I guess I already knew: nascar 4 + keyboard = waste of time : ) This certainly speaks wonders for the realism of the game, but now it's just another game that I can only play when I setup up my steering wheel. Remember the good old days when you could quickly stop the work your supposed to be doing on your computer, and turn a few laps in your favorite racing game using just the keyboard? But now almost every racing game I own requires me to clear my desk, hook up my steering wheel, put the pedals in place, take some pills for the impending back pain, and then finally play. I mean this is fine when you're setting up for a few hours worth of racing, but it's not so good when your seeking a quick distraction : ) So is it just me, or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days of keyboard racing? Desperately trying to start my thesis, Leo ___________________________________________________________________ "The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up."

I forgot, 1NSANE is made for keyboard (keypad first perhaps) if you ask me. Bart "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3a978bc0$0$20288$[email hidden]... > Try GP3. There is a great competition (offline but time limited) coming up > at www.lfrs.com. Or www.sim-racing.net/hof3 for some hotlapping action. > > Bart Westra > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Many times I think I do Jagg :o) The only disadvantage I found is in GPL when I must turn, brake and feather my gas (using my personal form ot trail'breaking} while down shifting. Its a bit tough on the hands..lol Thom_j. "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:32:12 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote:<my stuff snipped> | And you won't get any from me. I used to use a TM GP1 and used analog | paddles for gas and brakes. The hands are quicker than the feet so you | may actually have the advantage. :-)

Hmmm? Alex I never thought about this? Since I can not use my feet in any great length of time nor for any real purpose I would not know but you do bring up an interesting point.. :o) Touche' Alex.. Thom_j. "O" yea, don't forget an organist that play with feet & hands too! :-) "Alex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snipped for space>

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| It is not that clear. An average person usually has to do a lot | of precise work with his hands, but not with his feet, so his hands | are quicker and more precise. However, the person used to move | the mouse with his feet while using hands to type on the keyboard or | the person used to play bass guitar with his feet while playing | solo with his hands may easily have pretty same level of control | over his feet as over his hands :> | | Alex.

no its not just you infact half the time i want to go for a spin i dont because i cant be stuffed setting up. Probably the reason why i spend more time playing ferrari 355 and test drive le mans on my dc. Just turn the dam thing on and pick up the controller. To easy, bloody fun too. Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Is it just me, or has the notion of playing a racing game with the keyboard become a thing of the past these days? I just read an article today that confirmed something I guess I already knew: nascar 4 + keyboard = waste of time : ) This certainly speaks wonders for the realism of the game, but now it's just another game that I can only play when I setup up my steering wheel. Remember the good old days when you could quickly stop the work your supposed to be doing on your computer, and turn a few laps in your favorite racing game using just the keyboard? But now almost every racing game I own requires me to clear my desk, hook up my steering wheel, put the pedals in place, take some pills for the impending back pain, and then finally play. I mean this is fine when you're setting up for a few hours worth of racing, but it's not so good when your seeking a quick distraction : ) So is it just me, or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days of keyboard racing? Desperately trying to start my thesis, Leo ___________________________________________________________________ "The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up."

And likewise at http://topgear.dhs.org (time limited off-line competition). Jan. =--- Bart Westra wrote... > Try GP3. There is a great competition (offline but > time limited) coming up at www.lfrs.com. Or > www.sim-racing.net/hof3 for some hotlapping action. > > Bart Westra<snip>

And likewise at http://topgear.dhs.org (time limited off-line competition). Jan. =--- <snip>

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:34:57 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >Many times I think I do Jagg :o) >The only disadvantage I found is in GPL when I must turn, brake and >feather my gas (using my personal form ot trail'breaking} while down >shifting. Its a bit tough on the hands..lol >Thom_j. Do like I do and use auto transmission. Yea, yea, I'm a wimp. :-)

Oh yeah ... I forgot about Insane! I never liked GP3 much, but Insane ... now that was a great demo! Now that I'm done with CMR2, I think Insane will fill its shoes quite nicely. Thanx for the reminder : ) BTW, do you know what the online community is like for the full version now that Insane has been released in NA? Thanx, Leo Bart Westra wrote:

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> I forgot, 1NSANE is made for keyboard (keypad first perhaps) if you ask me. > > Bart > > "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3a978bc0$0$20288$[email hidden]... > > Try GP3. There is a great competition (offline but time limited) coming up > > at www.lfrs.com. Or www.sim-racing.net/hof3 for some hotlapping action. > > > > Bart Westra > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --

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> > >"Leo Greco" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Is it just me, or has the notion of playing a racing game with the > > keyboard become a thing of the past these days? > > Yes, it's a thing of the past. Unless your name is Geoff Crammond. Oh > yeah, he showed us with GP3 that he's really living in the past <G>

What's your problem with a sim allowing the casual F1-sim driver to buy and play GP3. I think it's great, as it may fund the next version. Maybe that's because I'm not a Sim-Snob (tm)... ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Yip, I haven't had much luck ever playing a Papy game on a keyboard... most others do have a provision for this though although times are never going to be great. It does keep you going between lunch hours though:-) Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Is it just me, or has the notion of playing a racing game with the keyboard become a thing of the past these days? I just read an article today that confirmed something I guess I already knew: nascar 4 + keyboard = waste of time : ) This certainly speaks wonders for the realism of the game, but now it's just another game that I can only play when I setup up my steering wheel. Remember the good old days when you could quickly stop the work your supposed to be doing on your computer, and turn a few laps in your favorite racing game using just the keyboard? But now almost every racing game I own requires me to clear my desk, hook up my steering wheel, put the pedals in place, take some pills for the impending back pain, and then finally play. I mean this is fine when you're setting up for a few hours worth of racing, but it's not so good when your seeking a quick distraction : ) So is it just me, or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days of keyboard racing? Desperately trying to start my thesis, Leo ___________________________________________________________________ "The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up."

>"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote > What's your problem with a sim allowing the casual F1-sim driver to > buy and play GP3. I think it's great, as it may fund the next version. > Maybe that's because I'm not a Sim-Snob (tm)... ;) Hehe another time you take my posts *way* too seriously ;-) I think it's sad that developpers forget there is still keyboard racers out there, but I understand that with the complexity of today's game engine and the realism of the sims, it's quite difficult to implement. Gone are the days of driving on rails, where keyboards really were almost an advantage due to the rapidity it took to change direction. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Leo Greco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Oh yeah ... I forgot about Insane! I never liked GP3 much, but Insane ...now > that was a great demo! Now that I'm done with CMR2, I think Insane willfill > its shoes quite nicely. Thanx for the reminder : ) > > BTW, do you know what the online community is like for the full versionnow that > Insane has been released in NA? > > Thanx, > Leo I have never run Insane online. And hardly offline for that matter, lack of time and too many sims to play and teams/competitions to run .... Still I felt I had to buy it after having played the demo :) The online game is played through Codemasters servers as far as I know. I don't know who play there and if there are any leagues going. Maybe someone else can tell you more. Bart

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote >.... > I think it's sad that developpers forget there is still keyboard racersout > there, but I understand that with the complexity of today's game engineand > the realism of the sims, it's quite difficult to implement. Gone are the > days of driving on rails, where keyboards really were almost an advantage > due to the rapidity it took to change direction. I think "developpers" is too general. GP3 has excellent keyboard support, Insane as well. The way they implement it is the software emulates a wheel, which starts turning when the corresponding key is pressed and starts turning back when the key is released. In Insane you can set the speed at which the wheel turns and goes back. When done in this way, good keyboard support is not contradictory to a complex physics engine. Ok, keyboarders won't be able to explore all the subtleties of the physics engine, but you'd be amazed to see the level of control a good keyboard player can reach. Bart Westra

So did you not try the demo online either? I can only speak from what I know from the demo's, but you haven't really played Insane until you've tried the online multiplayer : ) Online multiplayer was so much fun with the demo that it actually lasted on my harddrive longer than several full games I bought! The demo also used the Codemaster Multiplayer Network utility to connect players, and it worked quite well. But the reason I was asking about the online community is cuz I recall a lot of folks from NA complaining that there were very few people with low pings to play with when the game was first released in europe since the game was not readily available in NA. Anyways, if you do find the time I highly recommend you try the multiplayer component of the game : ) Leo Bart Westra wrote:

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> "Leo Greco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Oh yeah ... I forgot about Insane! I never liked GP3 much, but Insane ... > now > > that was a great demo! Now that I'm done with CMR2, I think Insane will > fill > > its shoes quite nicely. Thanx for the reminder : ) > > > > BTW, do you know what the online community is like for the full version > now that > > Insane has been released in NA? > > > > Thanx, > > Leo > > I have never run Insane online. And hardly offline for that matter, lack of > time and too many sims to play and teams/competitions to run .... Still I > felt I had to buy it after having played the demo :) > The online game is played through Codemasters servers as far as I know. I > don't know who play there and if there are any leagues going. Maybe someone > else can tell you more. > > Bart

If you are like me and rarely get the chance to race. I really enjoy it when I can though. I found a hand held wheel that works fairly well in Nascar 3 and 4. It is called Ultra Racer and is simple to set up and use. It hooks up through the game port. I know this is not the ideal set up but I really can't justify the money for the expensive wheel. i tried the $70.00 Logitech wheel and found that it was no better than the $30.00 Ultr Racer. I will probably get flamed for this but I thought I would offer an alternative. Mack

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> > >"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote > > What's your problem with a sim allowing the casual F1-sim driver to > > buy and play GP3. I think it's great, as it may fund the next version. > > Maybe that's because I'm not a Sim-Snob (tm)... ;) > > Hehe another time you take my posts *way* too seriously ;-)

I don't taken ANYTHING serious on a Usenet newsgroup... (this time I skipped the smiley, as context should be sufficient this time) > I think it's sad that developpers forget there is still keyboard racers out > there, but I understand that with the complexity of today's game engine and > the realism of the sims, it's quite difficult to implement. Gone are the > days of driving on rails, where keyboards really were almost an advantage > due to the rapidity it took to change direction. I couldn't drive GP3 around 3 corners using the keyboard, some people enjoy it. So, it's just great it's in, isn't it? Flight sims - no market, too difficult. Put the damn options in to not stall the plane every 2 minutes, put in the deathmatch mode. Maybe that saves the sim market... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

>"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote > I couldn't drive GP3 around 3 corners using the keyboard, some peopleenjoy > it. So, it's just great it's in, isn't it? Like I said, it's unfortunate but I understand that game engines are enough complex that it must be quite hard to implement a keyboard controller. Sure they could throw one, but to make one that is successful is quite difficult. It's about the only thing good in GP3 <snickers> ;-/ > Flight sims - no market, too difficult. Put the damn options in to not > stall the plane every 2 minutes, put in the deathmatch mode. Maybe that > saves the sim market... Hey I flew FS in CGA for about two years using a darn keyboard ;-) I don't count anymore the stalls I had when playing it! But I did not stop, because the sim was made for me. If It wasn't, then I would had stopped playing. If those lazy people can't have an attention span or more then 30seconds, it's their problem. Screw them, the developpers don't have to be the martyrs of those spoiled MTV generation brats, IMHO. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

In GPL Jagg?? Not likely for me!! Hey even tho' I race on my bed I do get lo 28s & sometimes hi 27s at 'Monza' & lo19s sometimes hi 18s at Spa. Nothing better then those gears! As I said before "I aint the fastest" but I am not real slow either! <g> Cheers Thom_j. "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:34:57 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >Many times I think I do Jagg :o) | >The only disadvantage I found is in GPL when I must turn, brake and | >feather my gas (using my personal form ot trail'breaking} while down | >shifting. Its a bit tough on the hands..lol | >Thom_j. | | Do like I do and use auto transmission. Yea, yea, I'm a wimp. :-)

On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:01:41 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >In GPL Jagg?? Not likely for me!! Hey even tho' I race on my bed I >do get lo 28s & sometimes hi 27s at 'Monza' & lo19s sometimes hi >18s at Spa. Nothing better then those gears! As I said before "I aint >the fastest" but I am not real slow either! <g> >Cheers Thom_j. Yes, in GPL, and every other sim I own for that matter. :-)

Fer` shame on ya`.. <G> Cheers..... "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:01:41 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote:<snipped my junk> | Yes, in GPL, and every other sim I own for that matter. :-)

Fer` shame on ya`.. <G> Cheers..... <snipped my junk> | Yes, in GPL, and every other sim I own for that matter. :-)

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>It is not that clear. An average person usually has to do a lot >of precise work with his hands, but not with his feet, so his hands >are quicker and more precise. However, the person used to move >the mouse with his feet while using hands to type on the keyboard or >the person used to play bass guitar with his feet while playing >solo with his hands may easily have pretty same level of control >over his feet as over his hands :>

Have you ever watched an organ player in a Baptist church? Those guys *definitely* have talented feet... :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <waEl6.8380$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: >P.S. Also I want *no* pitty from *anyone* when I race online! I am >just another online racer ready to kick butt.. No less, No more!! :o) > And TRUST me, he *is* quick...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I don't know about this keyboard racing stuff. I tried it...and NO MATTER how I gripped the keyboard, no matter how I turned the keyboard, or shook it or pounded on it...the car didn't move... dave henrie "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1bdm6.13859$[email hidden]...

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> Fer` shame on ya`.. <G> Cheers..... > > "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > | On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:01:41 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> > | wrote: > <snipped my junk> > | Yes, in GPL, and every other sim I own for that matter. :-) > >

>"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:1bdm6.13859$[email hidden]... >> Fer` shame on ya`.. <G> Cheers..... <hangs head in shame>

LoL Eldred!! you aint suppose to "spill the beans" on me!! hahaha Thank you for the compliment tho'.. <g> Cheers Thom_j. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| In article <waEl6.8380$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." | <[email hidden]> writes: | | >P.S. Also I want *no* pitty from *anyone* when I race online! I am | >just another online racer ready to kick butt.. No less, No more!! :o) | > | | And TRUST me, he *is* quick...<g> | | Eldred | -- | Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 | Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett | GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 | | Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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> In GPL Jagg?? Not likely for me!! Hey even tho' I race on my bed I > do get lo 28s & sometimes hi 27s at 'Monza' & lo19s sometimes hi > 18s at Spa. Nothing better then those gears! As I said before "I > aint the fastest" but I am not real slow either! <g> > Cheers Thom_j. > > "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > | On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:34:57 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> > | wrote: > | > | >Many times I think I do Jagg :o) > | >The only disadvantage I found is in GPL when I must turn, brake > | >and feather my gas (using my personal form ot trail'breaking} > | >while down shifting. Its a bit tough on the hands..lol > | >Thom_j. > | > | Do like I do and use auto transmission. Yea, yea, I'm a wimp. :-) >

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Gee Dave but did you use your feet? <g> Sorry the devil made me do it! Cheers Thom_j. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HMlm6.475196$[email hidden]... | I don't know about this keyboard racing stuff. I tried it...and NOMATTER | how I gripped the keyboard, no matter how I turned the keyboard, or shookit

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| or pounded on it...the car didn't move... | dave henrie | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:1bdm6.13859$[email hidden]... | > Fer` shame on ya`.. <G> Cheers..... | > | > "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:[email hidden]... | > | On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:01:41 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | > | wrote: | > <snipped my junk> | > | Yes, in GPL, and every other sim I own for that matter. :-) | > | > |

hahahaha only j/k Jagg.. Whatever works fer` ya' go for it!! <g> Cheers Thom_j. "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| | >"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | >news:1bdm6.13859$[email hidden]... | >> Fer` shame on ya`.. <G> Cheers..... | | <hangs head in shame> |

Txl: You have to realize I have put literally 1000s of hours into GPL and loved every minute of it! <g> With the help of so many hotshoes and just good guyz on WinVroc I would have never got to these low lap times!! Tim Wheatley and Graeme Nash are only 2 of so many!! Thanx to them I learned to race strictly with my hands & thank God they were nice enuff to help me.. Cheers Thom_j. Oops an not only guyz! One very special gal too Ms Alison Hines! "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bVsm6.5753$[email hidden]...

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| -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | pfff, shit, 18-19 in Spa....Do you have hands with 17 fingers each, | all I can do is miserable 24.... | | Shit | | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: | VTam6.12485$[email hidden]... | > In GPL Jagg?? Not likely for me!! Hey even tho' I race on my bed I | > do get lo 28s & sometimes hi 27s at 'Monza' & lo19s sometimes hi | > 18s at Spa. Nothing better then those gears! As I said before "I | > aint the fastest" but I am not real slow either! <g> | > Cheers Thom_j. | > | > "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:[email hidden]... | > | On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:34:57 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | > | wrote: | > | | > | >Many times I think I do Jagg :o) | > | >The only disadvantage I found is in GPL when I must turn, brake | > | >and feather my gas (using my personal form ot trail'breaking} | > | >while down shifting. Its a bit tough on the hands..lol | > | >Thom_j. | > | | > | Do like I do and use auto transmission. Yea, yea, I'm a wimp. :-) | > | | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- | Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> | | iQA/AwUBOppaughv7FFac7/nEQJkIwCfR3qRD24Ppxnnn1jG5YQFR3e0eMwAn155 | nuutoeLoJ+z4UQhM99fmPcHM | =KfT2 | -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | | |

On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:43:27 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >hahahaha only j/k Jagg.. Whatever works fer` ya' go for it!! <g> I find manual shifting is like trying to rub your head and pat your belly at the same time. :-)

Well Jagg just dont stop here, Hop on one leg, then do the "hootchie kootchie" and shake it all about.. hahahaha :-) Words of wisdom by George Jetson & of course his daughter Judy. "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:43:27 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >hahahaha only j/k Jagg.. Whatever works fer` ya' go for it!! <g> | | I find manual shifting is like trying to rub your head and pat your | belly at the same time. :-)

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>LoL Eldred!! you aint suppose to "spill the beans" on me!! hahaha >Thank you for the compliment tho'.. <g> Cheers Thom_j. > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >| In article <waEl6.8380$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." >| <[email hidden]> writes: >| >| >P.S. Also I want *no* pitty from *anyone* when I race online! I am >| >just another online racer ready to kick butt.. No less, No more!! :o) >| > >| >| And TRUST me, he *is* quick...<g> >|

Oops - did I say something wrong...? Er, you may have heard what I *said*, but that's not what I MEANT...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"O" you mean it is a "pun"? You were being "punny!" I get it.. <VBG> Thom_j. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| In article <qAsm6.16385$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." | <[email hidden]> writes: | | >LoL Eldred!! you aint suppose to "spill the beans" on me!! hahaha | >Thank you for the compliment tho'.. <g> Cheers Thom_j. | > | >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | >news:[email hidden]... | >| In article <waEl6.8380$[email hidden]>, "Thom j." | >| <[email hidden]> writes: | >| | >| >P.S. Also I want *no* pitty from *anyone* when I race online! I am | >| >just another online racer ready to kick butt.. No less, No more!! :o) | >| > | >| | >| And TRUST me, he *is* quick...<g> | >| | | Oops - did I say something wrong...? | Er, you may have heard what I *said*, but that's not what I MEANT...<g> | | Eldred | -- | Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 | Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett | GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 | | Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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I missed the beginning of this thread, but if you're talking about driving with the keyboard as your controller, that's me!! If I can't make the arrow keys drive the car, with up as gas and down as brakes, forget it! I loathe game developers who insist that these aren't valid keys and won't let me configure them as such!!!!!! On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:50:19 +0000, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >Leo Greco wrote: >> > >> ) So is it just me, or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days >> of keyboard racing? > >It's not just you. I have a CBM64 emulator with a copy Revs for those >nostalgic moments. > >Gerry > >"I am in the vast majority with my opinions >on this subject." - David God Fisher

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I agree 100%!! I won't usually even keep a game that won't let me configure and use the keyboard, especially if it won't allow me to use the arrow keys! On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:26:46 +0100, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I think "developpers" is too general. GP3 has excellent keyboard support, >Insane as well. The way they implement it is the software emulates a wheel, >which starts turning when the corresponding key is pressed and starts >turning back when the key is released. In Insane you can set the speed at >which the wheel turns and goes back. When done in this way, good keyboard >support is not contradictory to a complex physics engine. Ok, keyboarders >won't be able to explore all the subtleties of the physics engine, but you'd >be amazed to see the level of control a good keyboard player can reach. > >Bart Westra >

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> >Leo Greco wrote: > >> > > > >> ) So is it just me, or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days > >> of keyboard racing? > > > >It's not just you. I have a CBM64 emulator with a copy Revs for those > >nostalgic moments.

Hey, even in the days of Revs I was using a joystick (on the BBC Micro) - beats a keyboard any day! ;-) Since then I've driven other games using a mouse (had to sellotape the mousemat in place!) - practically always managed to avoid using the keys. Of course I do now have a wheel (or three) - you just can't beat analogue controls!

I agree 100% with you on this. "hobbit" <nospam@here> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I missed the beginning of this thread, but if you're talking about > driving with the keyboard as your controller, that's me!! If I can't > make the arrow keys drive the car, with up as gas and down as brakes, > forget it! I loathe game developers who insist that these aren't > valid keys and won't let me configure them as such!!!!!! > > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:50:19 +0000, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Leo Greco wrote: > >> > > > >> ) So is it just me, or does anyone else yearn for the good ol' days > >> of keyboard racing? > > > >It's not just you. I have a CBM64 emulator with a copy Revs for those > >nostalgic moments. > > > >Gerry > > > >"I am in the vast majority with my opinions > >on this subject." - David God Fisher > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----