N4 - How I solved the bogus copy protection scheme.

I returned it for my full $50.00 refund! To hell with them. The game was boring and full of bugs. Good riddance! More time for GPL. I suggest that those of you who, like myself, could not get the game to work, or are dissatisfied with the amount of bugs and bad AI, do the same. Send them a message. -- Alastair Ingram www.saxlessons.com

CloneCD done a fine job making a backup copy for me. Bugs?, yes without a doubt and more than ever in this version. I'm sure Papy is working on it and will improve, but like all other versions it will never be without some. Boring?, not sure how you can make that statement when you say you couldn't get the game to work. Without a working game, how does one judge the AI's, find bugs and so on? -- All the best, SG "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ewjn6.7039$[email hidden]... > I returned it for my full $50.00 refund! To hell with them. The game was > boring and full of bugs. Good riddance! More time for GPL. I suggest that > those of you who, like myself, could not get the game to work, or are > dissatisfied with the amount of bugs and bad AI, do the same. Send them a > message. > > -- > Alastair Ingram > www.saxlessons.com > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Gonna miss ya man... <sniffle> ;-) G Patricks >On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 03:40:20 GMT, "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I returned it for my full $50.00 refund! To hell with them. The game was >boring and full of bugs. Good riddance! More time for GPL. I suggest that >those of you who, like myself, could not get the game to work, or are >dissatisfied with the amount of bugs and bad AI, do the same. Send them a >message.

My son works at one of the national chain electronic stores. He tells me N4 has been running nearly 50% returns. The most returns they've ever seen on a software title. Jim "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ewjn6.7039$[email hidden]... > I returned it for my full $50.00 refund! To hell with them. The gamewas > boring and full of bugs. Good riddance! More time for GPL. I suggestthat > those of you who, like myself, could not get the game to work, or are > dissatisfied with the amount of bugs and bad AI, do the same. Sendthem a

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In article <[email hidden]>, "SG" <[email hidden]> writes: >CloneCD done a fine job making a backup copy for me. >Bugs?, yes without a doubt and more than ever in this version. I'm sure Papy >is working on it and will improve, but like all other versions it will never >be without some. > Why did you mention CloneCD? I'm just curious, since he said the game wouldn't RUN - not copy... >Boring?, not sure how you can make that statement when you say you couldn't >get the game to work. Without a working game, how does one judge the AI's, >find bugs and so on? Here, I assume he's referring to the errors/bugs that have been pointed out here before. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I'm telling you guys... death of the GPL engine. Jim Erb <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:97m5rs$6nv$[email hidden]...

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> My son works at one of the national chain electronic stores. He tells > me N4 has been running nearly 50% returns. The most returns they've ever > seen on a software title. > > Jim > > "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ewjn6.7039$[email hidden]... > > I returned it for my full $50.00 refund! To hell with them. The game > was > > boring and full of bugs. Good riddance! More time for GPL. I suggest > that > > those of you who, like myself, could not get the game to work, or are > > dissatisfied with the amount of bugs and bad AI, do the same. Send > them a > > message. > > > > -- > > Alastair Ingram > > www.saxlessons.com > > > > >

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:21:29 -0800, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm telling you guys... > >death of the GPL engine. > Depends. Are they returning it because it is too hard or because of the silly copy protection won't allow them to run the game at all?

You are correct, sir. Also, as I understand it, if I did get the cracked .exe, I still would not be able to race online. I find no thrill in racing AI all the time. It was the right solution...for me. -- Alastair Ingram www.saxlessons.com "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "SG" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >CloneCD done a fine job making a backup copy for me. > >Bugs?, yes without a doubt and more than ever in this version. I'm sure Papy > >is working on it and will improve, but like all other versions it will never > >be without some. > > > > Why did you mention CloneCD? I'm just curious, since he said the game wouldn't > RUN - not copy... > > >Boring?, not sure how you can make that statement when you say you couldn't > >get the game to work. Without a working game, how does one judge the AI's, > >find bugs and so on? > > Here, I assume he's referring to the errors/bugs that have been pointed out > here before. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, I mentioned CloneCD per his subject line although looking at it again I guess he was referring to the problems people have had getting it to install on some CD-ROMS. Still, from what I'm reading from his message, in one breath he did install it and found it boring and full of bugs, but in that same breath he said it wouldn't work. This just doesn't make sense to me and yes, "he says" he found bugs and errors, not from reading through these groups. -- All the best, SG "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "SG" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >CloneCD done a fine job making a backup copy for me. > >Bugs?, yes without a doubt and more than ever in this version. I'm sure Papy > >is working on it and will improve, but like all other versions it will never > >be without some. > > > > Why did you mention CloneCD? I'm just curious, since he said the game wouldn't > RUN - not copy... > > >Boring?, not sure how you can make that statement when you say you couldn't > >get the game to work. Without a working game, how does one judge the AI's, > >find bugs and so on? > > Here, I assume he's referring to the errors/bugs that have been pointed out > here before. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Hi Alastair, I wasn't referring to a cracked *.exe. CloneCD will make an exact copy on N4 for a backup copy even with the copy protection Papy has enforced. This is what I thought you were talking about....sorry. -- All the best, SG "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DRHn6.974$[email hidden]... > You are correct, sir. Also, as I understand it, if I did get the cracked > .exe, I still would not be able to race online. I find no thrill in racing > AI all the time. It was the right solution...for me. > > -- > Alastair Ingram > www.saxlessons.com > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, "SG" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > > > >CloneCD done a fine job making a backup copy for me. > > >Bugs?, yes without a doubt and more than ever in this version. I'm sure > Papy > > >is working on it and will improve, but like all other versions it will > never > > >be without some. > > > > > > > Why did you mention CloneCD? I'm just curious, since he said the game > wouldn't > > RUN - not copy... > > > > >Boring?, not sure how you can make that statement when you say you > couldn't > > >get the game to work. Without a working game, how does one judge the > AI's, > > >find bugs and so on? > > > > Here, I assume he's referring to the errors/bugs that have been pointed > out > > here before. > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Oddly I've had no problems with N4 {knock on wood!} and for being too hard? hmmmm? I think the smoothness' of the action within the sim and cars are great but what do I know?? lol Thom_j. "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:21:29 -0800, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >I'm telling you guys... | > | >death of the GPL engine. | > | | Depends. Are they returning it because it is too hard or because of | the silly copy protection won't allow them to run the game at all? |

>breath he did install it and found it boring and full of bugs, but in that >same breath he said it wouldn't work. This just doesn't make sense to me and >yes, "he says" he found bugs and errors, not from reading through these >groups. That's okay. He's just one less person with a bad attitude I'll have to deal with on the track. Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com

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>Eldred, > >I mentioned CloneCD per his subject line although looking at it again I >guess he was referring to the problems people have had getting it to install >on some CD-ROMS. Still, from what I'm reading from his message, in one >breath he did install it and found it boring and full of bugs, but in that >same breath he said it wouldn't work. This just doesn't make sense to me and >yes, "he says" he found bugs and errors, not from reading through these >groups.

Oh, he said *he* found the errors...? <insert Emily Litella voice> Oh, that's DIFFERENT. Nevermind... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That was funny, Eldred. O.K. Here is the deal. I bought N4 for $50.00. It installed fine. I could not get it to run. Period. I got the cracked .exe and ran the game against the AI. I could not go online. I found the AI wacky and several "buggy" behaviors. I guess I am not a Nascar fan because I found it boring and very easy to drive. Nothing like GPL. I returned the game because I thought I should be able to race online. Also, I didn't feel it was necessary to go to all the BS of Clone CD and doing this or that to get it to work. Dave, I do have a bad attitude when I pay good money for a product that doesn't work properly. Don't you? After all, your website is buycoolcrap.com. This, to me, was not cool crap. Just crap. Getting a refund was the right solution for me because where I bought it won't accept returns of software. I am grateful that Sierra at least provided this option. I sincerely hope that all of you who are enjoying N4 continue to enjoy it. -- Alastair Ingram www.saxlessons.com "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3a9f8d5b$[email hidden]>, "SG" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Eldred, > > > >I mentioned CloneCD per his subject line although looking at it again I > >guess he was referring to the problems people have had getting it to install > >on some CD-ROMS. Still, from what I'm reading from his message, in one > >breath he did install it and found it boring and full of bugs, but in that > >same breath he said it wouldn't work. This just doesn't make sense to me and > >yes, "he says" he found bugs and errors, not from reading through these > >groups. > > Oh, he said *he* found the errors...? > <insert Emily Litella voice> > Oh, that's DIFFERENT. Nevermind... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>was necessary to go to all the BS of Clone CD and doing this or that to get >it to work. Dave, I do have a bad attitude when I pay good money for a >product that doesn't work properly. Don't you? After all, your website is I understand your pain but, I generally have little patience when people start bad mouthing things like N4 or TEN or any other such things because they have a problem running it, when it is quite obvious that there are hundreds, if not thousands of others running the very same piece of software without nary a problem. I had a minor bit of trouble with mine getting online when I first bought it, found out there was a patch for my specific problem, installed it and have had not one problem since. One thing Papy has always seemed to be good at is correcting problems as they come to light after the release of software. How many other companies are there out there that release patches to fix problems with games? Most of them release the game and, "thank you for your money, now get lost." So when I hear someone complaining about not being able to run the game, when thousands of others are doing it without one problem, it tells me that there is probably something wrong with their setup, not the game. Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com

There is nothing wrong with my setup or my computer or my ability to get around on my computer. Check out my website. I have played and patched lots of games, none has failed to work completely. I'm glad it worked for you. You are obviously a Nascar fan. Put yourself in my shoes. How would you feel? -- Alastair Ingram www.saxlessons.com "Dave Casey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Fr%n6.10168$%[email hidden]... > >was necessary to go to all the BS of Clone CD and doing this or that to get > >it to work. Dave, I do have a bad attitude when I pay good money for a > >product that doesn't work properly. Don't you? After all, your website is > > I understand your pain but, I generally have little patience when people start > bad mouthing things like N4 or TEN or any other such things because they have > a problem running it, when it is quite obvious that there are hundreds, if not > thousands of others running the very same piece of software without nary a > problem. I had a minor bit of trouble with mine getting online when I first > bought it, found out there was a patch for my specific problem, installed it > and have had not one problem since. One thing Papy has always seemed to be > good at is correcting problems as they come to light after the release of > software. How many other companies are there out there that release patches > to fix problems with games? Most of them release the game and, "thank you for > your money, now get lost." So when I hear someone complaining about not being > able to run the game, when thousands of others are doing it without one > problem, it tells me that there is probably something wrong with their setup, > not the game. > > > Dave Casey > Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) > www.teamcasey.net > www.lvkc.com > www.buycoolcrap.com

Oh, now you tell the whole story. <insert Eldred voice> Oh, that's DIFFERENT. Nevermind... -- Nas1 "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q6Zn6.1536$[email hidden]... > That was funny, Eldred. O.K. Here is the deal. I bought N4 for $50.00. It > installed fine. I could not get it to run. Period. I got the cracked .exe > and ran the game against the AI. I could not go online. I found the AI wacky > and several "buggy" behaviors. I guess I am not a Nascar fan because I found > it boring and very easy to drive. Nothing like GPL. I returned the game > because I thought I should be able to race online. Also, I didn't feel it > was necessary to go to all the BS of Clone CD and doing this or that to get > it to work. Dave, I do have a bad attitude when I pay good money for a > product that doesn't work properly. Don't you? After all, your website is > buycoolcrap.com. This, to me, was not cool crap. Just crap. Getting a > refund was the right solution for me because where I bought it won't accept > returns of software. I am grateful that Sierra at least provided this > option. I sincerely hope that all of you who are enjoying N4 continue to > enjoy it. > > -- > Alastair Ingram > www.saxlessons.com > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <3a9f8d5b$[email hidden]>, "SG" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > > > >Eldred, > > > > > >I mentioned CloneCD per his subject line although looking at it again I > > >guess he was referring to the problems people have had getting it to > install > > >on some CD-ROMS. Still, from what I'm reading from his message, in one > > >breath he did install it and found it boring and full of bugs, but in > that > > >same breath he said it wouldn't work. This just doesn't make sense to me > and > > >yes, "he says" he found bugs and errors, not from reading through these > > >groups. > > > > Oh, he said *he* found the errors...? > > <insert Emily Litella voice> > > Oh, that's DIFFERENT. Nevermind... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Yeh, like I'm the only one. -- Alastair Ingram www.saxlessons.com "Nas1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Oh, now you tell the whole story. > <insert Eldred voice> > Oh, that's DIFFERENT. Nevermind... > > -- > Nas1 > > "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:q6Zn6.1536$[email hidden]... > > That was funny, Eldred. O.K. Here is the deal. I bought N4 for $50.00. It > > installed fine. I could not get it to run. Period. I got the cracked .exe > > and ran the game against the AI. I could not go online. I found the AI > wacky > > and several "buggy" behaviors. I guess I am not a Nascar fan because I > found > > it boring and very easy to drive. Nothing like GPL. I returned the game > > because I thought I should be able to race online. Also, I didn't feel it > > was necessary to go to all the BS of Clone CD and doing this or that to > get > > it to work. Dave, I do have a bad attitude when I pay good money for a > > product that doesn't work properly. Don't you? After all, your website is > > buycoolcrap.com. This, to me, was not cool crap. Just crap. Getting a > > refund was the right solution for me because where I bought it won't > accept > > returns of software. I am grateful that Sierra at least provided this > > option. I sincerely hope that all of you who are enjoying N4 continue to > > enjoy it. > > > > -- > > Alastair Ingram > > www.saxlessons.com > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <3a9f8d5b$[email hidden]>, "SG" <[email hidden]> > > writes: > > > > > > >Eldred, > > > > > > > >I mentioned CloneCD per his subject line although looking at it again I > > > >guess he was referring to the problems people have had getting it to > > install > > > >on some CD-ROMS. Still, from what I'm reading from his message, in one > > > >breath he did install it and found it boring and full of bugs, but in > > that > > > >same breath he said it wouldn't work. This just doesn't make sense to > me > > and > > > >yes, "he says" he found bugs and errors, not from reading through these > > > >groups. > > > > > > Oh, he said *he* found the errors...? > > > <insert Emily Litella voice> > > > Oh, that's DIFFERENT. Nevermind... > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > > you > > > with experience... > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

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>On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:21:29 -0800, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>I'm telling you guys... >> >>death of the GPL engine. >> > >Depends. Are they returning it because it is too hard or because of >the silly copy protection won't allow them to run the game at all? > >

Probably because they used CloneCD, made a copy and then returned the software with the lame excuse that it doesn't work. I have a Voodoo3 with a 500 Athelon and 128 megs ram... and it works just fine!! I could use a GeForce card but I don't have the cash to spare right now for that and will just run with slightly blurry cars, no big thang!

On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:13:41 GMT, Jagg <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:21:29 -0800, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>I'm telling you guys... >> >>death of the GPL engine. >> > >Depends. Are they returning it because it is too hard or because of >the silly copy protection won't allow them to run the game at all?

well i would say that its the ai for one you cant hardly get around the track with out them taking you out in one way or another it is no where near as good a heat graphics wise i would not tell anyone to buy this game at all its a down grade to n3 not up

On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:12:22 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >well i would say that its the ai for one you cant hardly get around >the track with out them taking you out in one way or another it is no >where near as good a heat graphics wise i would not tell anyone to buy >this game at all its a down grade to n3 not up Well, the physics engine in N3 is pitiful in comparison. And the cars jitter when they come into a closer view in N3 also.

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>On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:12:22 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > >> > >Well, the physics engine in N3 is pitiful in comparison. And the cars >jitter when they come into a closer view in N3 also.

well that is a given but you have to admit that n4 should have really been a fix for n3 and not whole new game

Its not a whole new game Its GPL II :) Seriously, Papy has been fairly consistent with patches in the past so theres still hope <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:32:00 GMT, Jagg <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:12:22 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > > > > >> > > > >Well, the physics engine in N3 is pitiful in comparison. And the cars > >jitter when they come into a closer view in N3 also. > > > well that is a given but you have to admit that n4 should have really > been a fix for n3 and not whole new game

The ai cars dont take you out unless you arent paying attention, or you drive like you own the track, u want em to just move outta the way or what? lol <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:13:41 GMT, Jagg <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:21:29 -0800, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > > > >>I'm telling you guys... > >> > >>death of the GPL engine. > >> > > > >Depends. Are they returning it because it is too hard or because of > >the silly copy protection won't allow them to run the game at all? > > > > well i would say that its the ai for one you cant hardly get around > the track with out them taking you out in one way or another it is no > where near as good a heat graphics wise i would not tell anyone to buy > this game at all its a down grade to n3 not up >

I think they really screwed up bad with the copy protection bull. I think that kind of stuff will really gaive all the hackers a good laugh. Clone CD just tottally defeats the copy protection anyway lol. "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:weco6.2366$[email hidden]...

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> Yeh, like I'm the only one. > > -- > Alastair Ingram > www.saxlessons.com > "Nas1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Oh, now you tell the whole story. > > <insert Eldred voice> > > Oh, that's DIFFERENT. Nevermind... > > > > -- > > Nas1 > > > > "Alastair Ingram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:q6Zn6.1536$[email hidden]... > > > That was funny, Eldred. O.K. Here is the deal. I bought N4 for $50.00. > It > > > installed fine. I could not get it to run. Period. I got the cracked > .exe > > > and ran the game against the AI. I could not go online. I found the AI > > wacky > > > and several "buggy" behaviors. I guess I am not a Nascar fan because I > > found > > > it boring and very easy to drive. Nothing like GPL. I returned the

game > > > because I thought I should be able to race online. Also, I didn't feel > it > > > was necessary to go to all the BS of Clone CD and doing this or thatto

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> > get > > > it to work. Dave, I do have a bad attitude when I pay good money for a > > > product that doesn't work properly. Don't you? After all, your website > is > > > buycoolcrap.com. This, to me, was not cool crap. Just crap. Getting a > > > refund was the right solution for me because where I bought it won't > > accept > > > returns of software. I am grateful that Sierra at least provided this > > > option. I sincerely hope that all of you who are enjoying N4 continue

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> > > enjoy it. > > > > > > -- > > > Alastair Ingram > > > www.saxlessons.com > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In article <3a9f8d5b$[email hidden]>, "SG"

<[email hidden]> > > > writes: > > > > > > > > >Eldred, > > > > > > > > > >I mentioned CloneCD per his subject line although looking at itagain > I > > > > >guess he was referring to the problems people have had getting itto > > > install > > > > >on some CD-ROMS. Still, from what I'm reading from his message, in > one > > > > >breath he did install it and found it boring and full of bugs, butin > > > that > > > > >same breath he said it wouldn't work. This just doesn't make senseto

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> > me > > > and > > > > >yes, "he says" he found bugs and errors, not from reading through > these > > > > >groups. > > > > > > > > Oh, he said *he* found the errors...? > > > > <insert Emily Litella voice> > > > > Oh, that's DIFFERENT. Nevermind... > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > -- > > > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then > beats > > > you > > > > with experience... > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > >