Nascar Heat v. Nascar 4

I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks now. Framerates are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram. The cockpit view is very hard to drive , the handling is very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for some weeks i went back to Nascar Heat and this game (with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on my system are very high, only the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by side with other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change and you will see that it is a better game than papys N4. RD

I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present.

Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a little. Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over stated. Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out of the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching back at least. It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... > I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus > is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing > Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. > >

I've just done the samething and switched back to Nascar Heat from Nascar 4. I'm still finding it hard to believe that will all the additional time Papyrus took with Nascar 4, that it's still so damn buggy, as my system locks up nearly half of the time. But my biggest complaint is the crappy AIs. They just don't have the faintest clue where you are. If you're unlucky enough to be on the inside line while any AI is following another car into a corner, they continually hit you in the right rear spinning you out. What's the point of a great physics engine, if you can't finish a race. For me, Nascar Heat was fun, while Nascar 4 has been nothing but fustration. Joel Willstein [email hidden] [email hidden] <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite > race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks > now. Framerates > are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram. > The cockpit view is very hard to drive , the handling is > very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for someweeks > i went back to Nascar Heat and this game > (with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look > better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on mysystem > are very high, only > the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by sidewith > other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change andyou > will see that it is a better game than papys N4. > > RD > >

Ive done the same thing Graphics, cars, are better in Heat Sound is better in N4 N4 does take more tweaking to get decent framerates but its there As for driving in traffic, you can set up a fast car in N4 that will let you pound that AI into submission Papy just didnt hand them over like Hasbro did Im a big graphics fan, and every time I run Heat I get sick at the idea of running 256x512 paint schemes in N4 and those GPL car shapes (no front end and all ass) But N4 is clearly going to outlast Heat so Im pretty much resigned to running N4 [email hidden] <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite > race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks > now. Framerates > are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram. > The cockpit view is very hard to drive , the handling is > very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for someweeks > i went back to Nascar Heat and this game > (with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look > better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on mysystem > are very high, only > the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by sidewith > other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change andyou > will see that it is a better game than papys N4. > > RD > >

Nascar Heat is really really Lacking in race-craft. The strategy of oval racing is almost not present. This is where N4 has a huge advantage. The black flags, the stopping work in the pits so you can beat the pace car out of the pits, stuff like that. Both have very serious physics engines...N4 is a little suspect between car to car contact and Heat is a little over-generous in what you can get away with. With the exception of the upcomming F1RC, Heat my have the fastest best looking graphics when you can run all the details of just about any sim. N4 has some AI problems, so does Heat. It may be a common problem due to the tremendous amount of physics calculations that each sim must do. and N4 blows all other sims away for multiplayer experience. I don't think you will see improvements in Heat's Racing features until the next installment. The upcomming patch should improve what they have now and hopefully clean up the AI and flag problems. dave henrie "Jerry Jonas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... > I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus > is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing > Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. > >

well i have all the same sims i would have to say you hit the nail on the head for sure On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:12:54 +0100, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite >race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks >now. Framerates >are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram. >The cockpit view is very hard to drive , the handling is >very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for some weeks >i went back to Nascar Heat and this game >(with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look >better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on my system >are very high, only >the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by side with >other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change and you >will see that it is a better game than papys N4. > >RD >

>"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote > The cockpit view is very hard to drive , But it's more realistic. > the handling is very difficult, i think it is not realistic. No, it's more realistic. > it is much more fun to play, That's the key. Whatever please you, but N4 is a superior racing simulation. Racing is not always "fun". It's hard-work, comprehension, practice, frustrations... > the sound is also much better. Errrr, sure if you like Amiga-type sounds ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

> The***pit view is very hard to drive , But it's more realistic. No, it's more realistic. That's the key. Whatever please you, but N4 is a superior racing simulation. Racing is not always "fun". It's hard-work, comprehension, practice, frustrations... Errrr, sure if you like Amiga-type sounds ;) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Judging from the demo alone, I didn't find N4 difficult, frustrating, fun, or very realistic. David G Fisher "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Q9Co6.14651$[email hidden]...

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> >"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote > > That's the key. Whatever please you, but N4 is a superior racing > simulation. Racing is not always "fun". It's hard-work, comprehension, > practice, frustrations... > > > > > the sound is also much better. > > Errrr, sure if you like Amiga-type sounds ;) > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > >

What else would you expect from a self proclaimed "no fan of Nascar" ?? I don't particular care for hockey, so I sure ain't going to waste my time buying a hockey sim, or even downloading the demo. And I sure as heck wouldn't and then go and bash it on a hockey forum when I could care less about it. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MdCo6.5812$[email hidden]... > Judging from the demo alone, I didn't find N4 difficult, frustrating, fun, > or very realistic. > > David G Fisher > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Q9Co6.14651$[email hidden]... > > >"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > That's the key. Whatever please you, but N4 is a superior racing > > simulation. Racing is not always "fun". It's hard-work, comprehension, > > practice, frustrations... > > > > > > > > > the sound is also much better. > > > > Errrr, sure if you like Amiga-type sounds ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > > >

Sums up my feelings exactly,..... uhm ............towards Nascar Heat ! > I didn't find N4 difficult, frustrating, fun, > or very realistic.

> Graphics, cars, are better in Heat N4 wins on my system > Sound is better in N4 toss-up....... "Thats your best lap everrrrrrrrr ! ......over and over. > N4 does take more tweaking to get decent framerates but its there I get better in N4 with W2K then NH so for me this holds untrue.Crashs alot with NH. > > As for driving in traffic, you can set up a fast car in N4 that will letyou > pound that AI into submission > Papy just didnt hand them over like Hasbro did > > Im a big graphics fan, and every time I run Heat I get sick at the idea of > running 256x512 paint schemes in N4 and those GPL car shapes (no front end > and all ass) True, I wish the shape was a little different maybe a third party 3do patch.

N4 wins on my system toss-up....... "Thats your best lap everrrrrrrrr ! ......over and over. I get better in N4 with W2K then NH so for me this holds untrue.Crashs alot with NH. True, I wish the shape was a little different maybe a third party 3do patch.

Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have never done the real thing. :) RB On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:35:50 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a little. >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over >stated. >Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out of >the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching back >at least. >It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) >Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. >> >> >

Just curious, is it possible to alter the differential setting in Nascar Heat in the full version? Both the demos of N4 and NH that I have have no option to do this, but I hear the full version of N4 does have it. Why I am asking is because I found the driving experience to be very good in NH, but the differential setting is unforgiving (it seems to be practically locked). It's great for drivers who don't like to set up their cars, as the setting as it is leads to severe understeer in on the limit situations and as such guarantees spin stability, but if you try to compensate for the understeer by increasing the rear roll stiffness, you'll end up with a car that just snaps into a spin, because a large part of the force in the fricition circle has already been used to oppose the difference in velocity of the rear wheels in a turn. If the full version is like that, it sure must be frustrating. -Gregor "[email hidden]" wrote:

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> > I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite > race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks > now. Framerates > are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram. > The cockpit view is very hard to drive , the handling is > very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for some weeks > i went back to Nascar Heat and this game > (with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look > better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on my system > are very high, only > the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by side with > other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change and you > will see that it is a better game than papys N4. > > RD

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> I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite > race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks > now. Framerates > are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram. > The cockpit view is very hard to drive , the handling is > very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for some weeks > i went back to Nascar Heat and this game > (with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look > better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on my system > are very high, only > the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by side with > other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change and you > will see that it is a better game than papys N4. > > RD > > >

To each their own.

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> Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a little. > Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over > stated. > Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out of > the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching back > at least. > It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little > nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ > I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) > Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... > > I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus > > is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing > > Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. > >

That's called "realism". If you're worried about not being able to "catch up", race at a few of the short tracks instead of always racing on the superspeedways.

Money talks........think about it.......You think he said that for nothing? Don't be naive! Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar > racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim > nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have > never done the real thing. :) > > RB > > On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:35:50 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a

little. > >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over > >stated. > >Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you outof > >the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catchingback

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> >at least. > >It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little > >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ > >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) > >Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... > >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus > >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing > >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. > >> > >> > > >

> > other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change andyou > > will see that it is a better game than papys N4. > > > > RD I have, and its not.

If you look in the back of the manual, you'll see Dale Jr listed as a beta tester, and I am fairly confident beta testers do not get paid. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6nKo6.25768$[email hidden]... > Money talks........think about it.......You think he said that for nothing? > Don't be naive! > Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar > > racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim > > nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have > > never done the real thing. :) > > > > RB > > > > On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:35:50 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a > little. > > >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over > > >stated. > > >Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out > of > > >the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching > back > > >at least. > > >It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little > > >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ > > >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) > > >Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... > > >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus > > >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing > > >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >

Dale Jr has been playing the Papy games on his own since before he was a tester for N4. He also plays it on his own time.. I do not know about you, but even if I am paid to talk about a game, I would not play it on my own time unless I really liked it "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6nKo6.25768$[email hidden]... > Money talks........think about it.......You think he said that fornothing?

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> Don't be naive! > Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar > > racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim > > nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have > > never done the real thing. :) > > > > RB > > > > On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:35:50 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a > little. > > >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over > > >stated. > > >Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you

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> of > > >the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching > back > > >at least. > > >It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little > > >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ > > >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) > > >Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... > > >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus > > >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing > > >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 07:33:47 -0600, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Dale Jr has been playing the Papy games on his own since before he was a >tester for N4. He also plays it on his own time.. But, has he played Nascar Heat?

Why not ask him which game he played the most though :) Robert Platts www.bhmotorsports.com "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9804ib$1bv4$[email hidden]... > Dale Jr has been playing the Papy games on his own since before he was a > tester for N4. He also plays it on his own time.. > > I do not know about you, but even if I am paid to talk about a game, Iwould

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> not play it on my own time unless I really liked it > > > "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6nKo6.25768$[email hidden]... > > Money talks........think about it.......You think he said that for > nothing? > > Don't be naive! > > Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar > > > racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim > > > nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have > > > never done the real thing. :) > > > > > > RB > > > > > > On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:35:50 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a > > little. > > > >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is

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> > > >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ > > > >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) > > > >Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... > > > >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus > > > >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing > > > >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

My biggest problem with N4 is the crap ai, this is the worse ai papy as ever made, the wall riding, the lack of side by side racing, the unrealistic flips (ala heat), the huge system requirements, friend of mine has a 950 cpu with 256 megs of ram and a geforce 64 meg video card and he still can't run the full field at the short tracks or road courses. Finally they still haven't gotten the draft right or bumping drafting right at the big tracks. Other than that I love the game. Also it's no sim , it's not a arcader but it's not a simulator, Silicon Speedway is a simulator :) Robert "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <qjAo6.24242$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked alittle. > > Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over > > stated. > > Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you outof > > the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catchingback

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> > at least. > > It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little > > nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ > > I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) > > Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... > > > I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus > > > is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing > > > Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. > > > > > > That's called "realism". If you're worried about not being able to > "catch up", race at a few of the short tracks instead of always racing > on the superspeedways. >

Dale Jr. (and Kevin Harvick) were both beta testers. They were beta testers for the very special reason that they were real-life Nascar drivers and who better to make a statement like that? I think you're reading too much into what Dale Jr said - he said it's "the closest thing", not "the best", or "exactly". In article <6nKo6.25768$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Money talks........think about it.......You think he said that for nothing? > Don't be naive! > Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar > > racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim > > nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have > > never done the real thing. :) > > > > RB > > > > On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:35:50 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a > little. > > >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over > > >stated. > > >Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out > of > > >the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching > back > > >at least. > > >It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little > > >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ > > >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) > > >Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... > > >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus > > >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing > > >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >

He also endorses $50 plastic wheels but owns like 4-5 TSWs :) Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar > racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim > nut

Umm.. not everyone says something just for the money. The man wrote a review of the game and made very good points. I don't feel any need to question his honor. RB On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:02:26 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Money talks........think about it.......You think he said that for nothing? >Don't be naive! >Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar >> racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim >> nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have >> never done the real thing. :) >> >> RB >> >> On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:35:50 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a >little. >> >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over >> >stated. >> >Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out >of >> >the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching >back >> >at least. >> >It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little >> >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ >> >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) >> >Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... >> >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus >> >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing >> >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >

Exactly.. Little E is a gamer, just like us. If you don't already know you can find his reviews at http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ where he is a member. The man takes his simming very seriously. RB On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 13:13:48 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If you look in the back of the manual, you'll see Dale Jr listed as a beta >tester, and I am fairly confident beta testers do not get paid.

Go to http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ and look for DE Jr's articles and see if he has. :) RB On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 17:47:31 GMT, Jagg <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 07:33:47 -0600, "Cliff Roman" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Dale Jr has been playing the Papy games on his own since before he was a >>tester for N4. He also plays it on his own time.. > >But, has he played Nascar Heat?

Ahhh.. I see someone else beat me to it. :) RB On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:36:48 GMT, "Robert Platts" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Why not ask him which game he played the most though :) > > >Robert Platts >www.bhmotorsports.com > > >"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9804ib$1bv4$[email hidden]... >> Dale Jr has been playing the Papy games on his own since before he was a >> tester for N4. He also plays it on his own time.. >> >> I do not know about you, but even if I am paid to talk about a game, I >would >> not play it on my own time unless I really liked it >> >> >> "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:6nKo6.25768$[email hidden]... >> > Money talks........think about it.......You think he said that for >> nothing? >> > Don't be naive! >> > Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> > > >> > > Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar >> > > racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim >> > > nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have >> > > never done the real thing. :) >> > > >> > > RB >> > > >> > > On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:35:50 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > > >> > > >Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a >> > little. >> > > >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is >over >> > > >stated. >> > > >Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you >> out >> > of >> > > >the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching >> > back >> > > >at least. >> > > >It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a >little >> > > >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ >> > > >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) >> > > >Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > > >news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... >> > > >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus >> > > >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing >> > > >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >

My words were exactly "the closest thing" so I took his words correctly. He also stated that this is the Nascar sim we have been waiting for.. so uhhh.. what does THAT mean? :) RB On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:40:24 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Dale Jr. (and Kevin Harvick) were both beta testers. They were beta >testers for the very special reason that they were real-life Nascar >drivers and who better to make a statement like that? I think you're >reading too much into what Dale Jr said - he said it's "the closest >thing", not "the best", or "exactly". > > >In article <6nKo6.25768$[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> Money talks........think about it.......You think he said that for nothing? >> Don't be naive! >> Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > >> > Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar >> > racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim >> > nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have >> > never done the real thing. :) >> > >> > RB >> > >> > On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:35:50 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > >> > >Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a >> little. >> > >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over >> > >stated. >> > >Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out >> of >> > >the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching >> back >> > >at least. >> > >It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little >> > >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............ >> > >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI) >> > >Jerry Jonas <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > >news:97u9o4$m8p$[email hidden]... >> > >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus >> > >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing >> > >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present. >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >>

And has objective reviews on that. :) RB On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 01:38:53 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>He also endorses $50 plastic wheels but owns like 4-5 TSWs >:) > >Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar >> racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim >> nut >

I agree, The only problem I have with NH is the cautions. They are really bad. After the new patch, NH will be great. (I Hope) "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite > race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks > now. Framerates > are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram. > The cockpit view is very hard to drive , the handling is > very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for someweeks > i went back to Nascar Heat and this game > (with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look > better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on mysystem > are very high, only > the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by sidewith > other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change andyou > will see that it is a better game than papys N4. > > RD > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:42:55 GMT, Razorback <[email hidden]> wrote: >Go to http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ and look for DE Jr's articles and >see if he has. :) > >RB I see he has NH listed under his favourite sims, but I see no articles there by him. Where do I look?

On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 04:50:05 GMT, Jagg <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:42:55 GMT, Razorback <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>Go to http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ and look for DE Jr's articles and >>see if he has. :) >> >>RB > >I see he has NH listed under his favourite sims, but I see no articles >there by him. Where do I look?

Hmmm... I don't remember off hand. I found them somehow.. I'm sure you can too. :) RB