N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

Greetings...... Here's my system..... P3 800 ATI Radeon 64meg SB Live! I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect, etc) I installed N4, works great. Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing this...perhaps I am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' the pits. Daytona and Tally seem fine.... I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD time believing that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington for shits n giggles. 2) Where's all the set-ups? With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home. I've been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and sites. 2.5) Where's all the cars? Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional car site! PLEASE! 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? See the final sentence of question 1...... 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and basically, it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives ya. But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode, but adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out the second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'. I'm just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustrated with. Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living every Sunday....... Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... Tony [email hidden]

Just run some practice. I have been racing since it was released. I have no problem with grip, Car feels completely under control. I also don't even notice the pull to the left unless I let go of wheel. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]... > Greetings...... > > Here's my system..... > > P3 800 > ATI Radeon 64meg > SB Live! > > > I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect, etc) > > I installed N4, works great. > > Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing this...perhaps I > am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. > > 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires > warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this > N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' the pits. > Daytona and Tally seem fine.... > I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD time believing > that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs > for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After > all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington for shits > n giggles. > > 2) Where's all the set-ups? > With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home. I've > been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and > sites. > > 2.5) Where's all the cars? > Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 > Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional > car site! PLEASE! > > 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > See the final sentence of question 1...... > > 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all > over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and basically, > it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives ya. > But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. > Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode, but > adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal > sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable > player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. > > > I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out the > second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I > would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... > > I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'. I'm > just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this > medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustrated with. > Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living > every Sunday....... > > > Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... > > > Tony > [email hidden] > > > >

mrTV <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]... > > 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires > warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this > N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' thepits. > Daytona and Tally seem fine.... > I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD timebelieving > that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs > for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After > all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington forshits > n giggles. The tires are "slicks" and you're going tons faster than on your local freeway. I think Papy is right on the mark with the realism. Unless you have a small car yourself, it most likely also weighs more than 3400 lbs. > > 2) Where's all the set-ups? > With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home.I've > been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and > sites. The game is new, give it time, there will be thousands out there in a month or so. Plus, this is the first substantial upgrade to the garage and it added numerous settings. Guys are still learning things like shock rebound and compression, track bar, brake bias etc. > 2.5) Where's all the cars? > Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 > Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional > car site! PLEASE! See answer above, insert "they also updated the paint shop" > 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > See the final sentence of question 1...... That annoying pull to the left is the reason I would most likely beat you at the track in question. (Pull isn't present in stock setups at shorter tracks) .Its the result of the camber, tire pressure, and weight balance setup to produce solid left hand turns, at speed, in the corners. The guys that are tweaking the steering linearity and/or setup to get rid of it are slowing down in the process. > 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all > over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and basically, > it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it givesya. > But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. SIM is not too hard. It is as real as is available for now. The real WC guys talk about patience, and now you see why. I don't ever play arcade so I can't comment there. The AI is admittedly the worst facet of this current release. I almost exclusively test alone and race online so it isn't that big of deal to me. > Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode,but > adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal > sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable > player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. I think that this SIM shouldn't even have arcade mode, IMHO. But I guess there are folks out there not really serious or hardcore that may find a use for it. > I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown outthe > second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I > would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... Bought Nascar Heat, tried it once and quit until the patch came out. Tried it again then uninstalled it. Too pretty, no online implementation (worth mentioning). > I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'.I'm > just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this > medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustratedwith. > Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living > every Sunday....... > Sounds like you are looking for an arcade type game rather than a sim. My advice would be to stick with Heat, it seemed to be more of an arcade style game to me (not a usable paint shop, very little adjustment to cars, worse online implementation that Quake 1, blah blah, lol) The only way you are going to get more skilled is to get some seat time. We had a league practice at Darlington last night and I was turning laps on order with the track record (Ward Burton 28.?? seconds, I am in the low 29's). 2 weeks ago, I spun everytime I hit the bump/dip going into turn 1. It simply takes patience and some practice. Best of luck to you, keep trying and I think you'll see that it isn't as hard as you think. hb

>>>it most likely also weighs more than 3400 lbs<<< Don't you mean 3600? because that's exactly what the weight is in N4. Go-figure -- All the best, SG -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Hi Tony, The reason the tires are sliding all over the place is the sheer amount of horsepower. Driving a racecar is not hard, but it isn't like driving a street car either. N4 has just made that part of the car more realistic... As for the setups, they'll appear in time. Rodney Arndt has a GREAT setup guide available on the internet that is worth checking out. If you're willing to take the time it takes to learn how to set your car up, you'll NEVER need a setup from anyone ever again. However, you can go to Black Hole Motorsports website. they have some N4 setups. The pitwagon is a good place to pick up some cars... If you need the URLs, let me know. I'm not on the system with the links at the moment, I apologize for that. I have never tried arcade mode in any of the Nascar Racing versions, so I have no way of helping you out there... You didn't mention your wheel and pedals - what kind do you use? If you don't have wheel/pedals, it's a good idea to get some! On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:58:18 GMT, "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Greetings...... > >Here's my system..... > >P3 800 >ATI Radeon 64meg >SB Live! > > >I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect, etc) > >I installed N4, works great. > >Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing this...perhaps I >am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. > >1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires >warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this >N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' the pits. >Daytona and Tally seem fine.... >I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD time believing >that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs >for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After >all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington for shits >n giggles. > >2) Where's all the set-ups? > With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home. I've >been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and >sites. > >2.5) Where's all the cars? > Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 >Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional >car site! PLEASE! > >3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > See the final sentence of question 1...... > >4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all >over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and basically, >it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives ya. >But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. >Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode, but >adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal >sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable >player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. > > > I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out the >second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I >would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... > > I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'. I'm >just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this >medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustrated with. >Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living >every Sunday....... > > > Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... > > > Tony > [email hidden] > > >

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> Greetings...... > > Here's my system..... > > P3 800 > ATI Radeon 64meg > SB Live! > > > I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect,

etc) > > I installed N4, works great. > > Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing this...perhapsI > am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. > > 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires > warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this > N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' thepits. > Daytona and Tally seem fine.... > I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD timebelieving > that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs > for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After > all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington forshits > n giggles. > > 2) Where's all the set-ups? > With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home.I've

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> been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and > sites. > > 2.5) Where's all the cars? > Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 > Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional > car site! PLEASE! > > 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > See the final sentence of question 1...... > > 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all > over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and basically, > it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives

ya. > But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. > Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode,but

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> adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal > sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable > player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. > > > I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out the > second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I > would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... > > I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'.

I'm > just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this > medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustratedwith.

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> Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living > every Sunday....... > > > Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... > > > Tony > [email hidden] > > > >

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and what type of controller would you be using lad? dave henrie "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]... > Greetings...... > > Here's my system.....

A true fan of Nascar, and not just 'games' wants the game to be as real as possible, get nascar heat if you are scared of Racing 4... "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]...

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> Greetings...... > > Here's my system..... > > P3 800 > ATI Radeon 64meg > SB Live! > > > I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect,

etc) > > I installed N4, works great. > > Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing this...perhapsI > am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. > > 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires > warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this > N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' thepits. > Daytona and Tally seem fine.... > I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD timebelieving > that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs > for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After > all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington forshits > n giggles. > > 2) Where's all the set-ups? > With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home.I've

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> been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and > sites. > > 2.5) Where's all the cars? > Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 > Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional > car site! PLEASE! > > 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > See the final sentence of question 1...... > > 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all > over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and basically, > it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives

ya. > But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. > Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode,but

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> adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal > sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable > player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. > > > I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out the > second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I > would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... > > I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'.

I'm > just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this > medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustratedwith.

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> Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living > every Sunday....... > > > Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... > > > Tony > [email hidden] > > > >

They need to account for an average weight person..3400+200=3600.. "SG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >>>it most likely also weighs more than 3400 lbs<<< > > Don't you mean 3600? because that's exactly what the weight is in N4. > Go-figure > > -- > All the best, > SG > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Hello..... So far so good on the responses...... I forgeot to mention my controller situation.....here goes....(perhaps this is my problem) I'm using a controller from InterAct called he "Vortex 3D". I don't think it survived very long, but let me explain it. It is a combo of a pad, wheel and flight yoke. It's an oversized pad, with a ball-joint on the bottom, along with a digital/analog switch. So, in the case of N4...I set up my controller as a "gamepad". Then I switch to 'analog', and place it on it's base (connects to ball-joint) At this point, I get smooth steering (analog) but turning the pad on it's joint like a wheel. Buttons control the gas and brake. It's a weird controller I admit....but damn, it seems to work fine. Any chance that N4 "sees" it as a joypad, period? I'm willing to try a wheel/pedal combo....but which one is a good, and a good value as well???? Tony P.S. search for "InterAct Vortex 3D" on google.com and you'll see what I mean. P.P.S. I'm not "scared" to play a game, or race a game pal....but it was a nice, below-the-belt shot anyways......jackass P.P.S.S. Thanks to all those who are attempting to assist with constructive remarks. "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]...

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> Greetings...... > > Here's my system..... > > P3 800 > ATI Radeon 64meg > SB Live! > > > I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect,

etc) > > I installed N4, works great. > > Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing this...perhapsI > am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. > > 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires > warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this > N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' thepits. > Daytona and Tally seem fine.... > I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD timebelieving > that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs > for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After > all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington forshits > n giggles. > > 2) Where's all the set-ups? > With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home.I've

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> been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and > sites. > > 2.5) Where's all the cars? > Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 > Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional > car site! PLEASE! > > 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > See the final sentence of question 1...... > > 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all > over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and basically, > it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives

ya. > But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. > Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode,but

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> adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal > sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable > player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. > > > I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out the > second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I > would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... > > I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'.

I'm > just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this > medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustratedwith.

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> Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living > every Sunday....... > > > Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... > > > Tony > [email hidden] > > > >

Nice Post, George! YES, post those URLs! George Lewis wrote: > If you need the URLs, let me know. I'm not on the system with the > links at the moment, I apologize for that. I'm a relative newbie at NASCAR and would enjoy learning more.... like, what are "rookie stripes"? I gather from what I've heard that they are on the paint job?! FWIW, I've got NASCAR 1999 and just got N4 about 2 weeks ago. N4 is a great improvement IMHO. I particularly like how well the online works. Thanks, Don. N4 Rookie.

JS, Unless it's changed, Winston Cup must weight 3400 pounds with driver, not 3600. All the best, -- SG "JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cDzs6.580471$[email hidden]... > They need to account for an average weight person..3400+200=3600.. > "SG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >>>it most likely also weighs more than 3400 lbs<<< > > > > Don't you mean 3600? because that's exactly what the weight is in N4. > > Go-figure > > > > -- > > All the best, > > SG > > > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Get a wheel!!! Get a wheel!!! "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ESzs6.402637$[email hidden]...

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> Hello..... > > So far so good on the responses...... > > I forgeot to mention my controller situation.....here goes....(perhaps > this is my problem) > > I'm using a controller from InterAct called he "Vortex 3D". I don't > think it survived very long, but let me explain it. > > It is a combo of a pad, wheel and flight yoke. It's an oversized pad, > with a ball-joint on the bottom, along with a digital/analog switch. > So, in the case of N4...I set up my controller as a "gamepad". Then I > switch to 'analog', and place it on it's base (connects to ball-joint) At > this point, I get smooth steering (analog) but turning the pad on it's

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> like a wheel. Buttons control the gas and brake. > > It's a weird controller I admit....but damn, it seems to work fine. > > Any chance that N4 "sees" it as a joypad, period? > > I'm willing to try a wheel/pedal combo....but which one is a good, and

a > good value as well???? > > > Tony > > P.S. search for "InterAct Vortex 3D" on google.com and you'll see whatI > mean. > > P.P.S. I'm not "scared" to play a game, or race a game pal....but it wasa > nice, below-the-belt shot anyways......jackass > > P.P.S.S. Thanks to all those who are attempting to assist withconstructive

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> remarks. > > > > > > > > "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]... > > Greetings...... > > > > Here's my system..... > > > > P3 800 > > ATI Radeon 64meg > > SB Live! > > > > > > I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect, > etc) > > > > I installed N4, works great. > > > > Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing

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> I > > am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. > > > > 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > > In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires > > warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this > > N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' the > pits. > > Daytona and Tally seem fine.... > > I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD time > believing > > that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400

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> > for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After > > all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington for > shits > > n giggles. > > > > 2) Where's all the set-ups? > > With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home. > I've > > been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors

and > > sites. > > > > 2.5) Where's all the cars? > > Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 > > Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin'fictional

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> > car site! PLEASE! > > > > 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > > See the final sentence of question 1...... > > > > 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > > Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all > > over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and

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> > it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives > ya. > > But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. > > Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode, > but > > adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal > > sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable > > player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. > > > > > > I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out

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> > would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... > > > > I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'. > I'm > > just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this > > medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustrated > with. > > Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a

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> > every Sunday....... > > > > > > Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... > > > > > > Tony > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > >

Try www.team-lightspeed.com they have a series of guides for the sim, including a link to Rodney Arndt's setup guide. Click on the N4 Guides at the top of the page. The driving and individual track guides are particularly helpful to your situation. Also it is one of the friendliest forums out there with some very knowledgeable folks to give you a hand. The implementation of the new physics engine (you might try a wheel/pedal combo as well) is what's giving you the frustration and you are not alone. While there are some issues that Papyrus is working on, if you spend some time with the sim, I think you'll find your level of enjoyment will increase dramatically. There is already some very exciting online racing out there. "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]...

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> Greetings...... > > Here's my system..... > > P3 800 > ATI Radeon 64meg > SB Live! > > > I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect,

etc) > > I installed N4, works great. > > Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing this...perhapsI > am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. > > 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires > warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this > N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' thepits. > Daytona and Tally seem fine.... > I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD timebelieving > that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs > for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After > all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington forshits > n giggles. > > 2) Where's all the set-ups? > With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home.I've

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> been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and > sites. > > 2.5) Where's all the cars? > Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 > Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional > car site! PLEASE! > > 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > See the final sentence of question 1...... > > 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all > over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and basically, > it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives

ya. > But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. > Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode,but

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> adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal > sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable > player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. > > > I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out the > second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I > would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... > > I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'.

I'm > just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this > medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustratedwith.

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> Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living > every Sunday....... > > > Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... > > > Tony > [email hidden] > > > > >

If someone gets the N4 sim and discovers that they couldnt drive one of these cars worth a shit, then decides they dont like it. They are pussies :) "Jon Nelson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hBKs6.3482$[email hidden]...

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> Try www.team-lightspeed.com they have a series of guides for the sim, > including a link to Rodney Arndt's setup guide. Click on the N4 Guides at > the top of the page. The driving and individual track guides are > particularly helpful to your situation. Also it is one of the friendliest > forums out there with some very knowledgeable folks to give you a hand. > The implementation of the new physics engine (you might try a wheel/pedal > combo as well) is what's giving you the frustration and you are not alone. > While there are some issues that Papyrus is working on, if you spend some > time with the sim, I think you'll find your level of enjoyment will

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> dramatically. > There is already some very exciting online racing out there. > > > "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]... > > Greetings...... > > > > Here's my system..... > > > > P3 800 > > ATI Radeon 64meg > > SB Live! > > > > > > I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect, > etc) > > > > I installed N4, works great. > > > > Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing

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> I > > am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. > > > > 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > > In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires > > warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this > > N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' the > pits. > > Daytona and Tally seem fine.... > > I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD time > believing > > that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400

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> > for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After > > all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington for > shits > > n giggles. > > > > 2) Where's all the set-ups? > > With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home. > I've > > been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors

and > > sites. > > > > 2.5) Where's all the cars? > > Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 > > Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin'fictional

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> > car site! PLEASE! > > > > 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > > See the final sentence of question 1...... > > > > 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > > Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all > > over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and

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> > it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives > ya. > > But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. > > Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode, > but > > adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal > > sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable > > player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. > > > > > > I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out

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> > would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... > > > > I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'. > I'm > > just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this > > medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustrated > with. > > Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a

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> > every Sunday....... > > > > > > Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... > > > > > > Tony > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> If someone gets the N4 sim and discovers that they couldnt drive one of >these cars worth a shit, then decides they dont like it. They are pussies :) I wouldn't go that far. But N4 is the ultimate in realism. If you don't want TOTAL realism, buy N3 and like it, or change the realism settings in N3. People were frustrated w/GPL too...they'll get over it with time. - Alan

>what are >"rookie stripes"? I gather from what I've heard that they are on the paint >job?! Take a look during a Winston Cup race at the back of a rookie's car. See the yellow strip(s) running the length of the back bumper? Those are called rookie stripes. They serve as a warning to following drivers to keep as far away from this guy as possible as odds are he'll do something stupid since he's a rookie. :) ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

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> The TSW is probably the BEST (Thomas Super Wheel). Personally, I use > the Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro Digital usb wheel. It's like $69 or > something reasonable like that at CompUSA. I think they have version2 > out now... > > You can go into the software and link/unlink the brakes/gas pedal, and > also program some key combinations onto the buttons... > > Main thing is that your driving will improve with a good wheel/pedal > combo :) > > > On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:21:24 GMT, "mrTV" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hello..... > > > > So far so good on the responses...... > > > > I forgeot to mention my controller situation.....here

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> >this is my problem) > > > > I'm using a controller from InterAct called he "Vortex 3D". I don't > >think it survived very long, but let me explain it. > > > > It is a combo of a pad, wheel and flight yoke. It's an oversized pad, > >with a ball-joint on the bottom, along with a digital/analog switch. > > So, in the case of N4...I set up my controller as a "gamepad". Then I > >switch to 'analog', and place it on it's base (connects to ball-joint) At > >this point, I get smooth steering (analog) but turning the pad on it's

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> >like a wheel. Buttons control the gas and brake. > > > > It's a weird controller I admit....but damn, it seems to work fine. > > > > Any chance that N4 "sees" it as a joypad, period? > > > > I'm willing to try a wheel/pedal combo....but which one is a good,

and a > >good value as well???? > > > > > > Tony > > > >P.S. search for "InterAct Vortex 3D" on google.com and you'll see whatI > >mean. > > > >P.P.S. I'm not "scared" to play a game, or race a game pal....but itwas a > >nice, below-the-belt shot anyways......jackass > > > >P.P.S.S. Thanks to all those who are attempting to assist withconstructive

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> >remarks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]... > >> Greetings...... > >> > >> Here's my system..... > >> > >> P3 800 > >> ATI Radeon 64meg > >> SB Live! > >> > >> > >> I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect, > >etc) > >> > >> I installed N4, works great. > >> > >> Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing

this...perhaps > >I > >> am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in thetrash. > >> > >> 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? > >> In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till yourtires

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> >> warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this > >> N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' the > >pits. > >> Daytona and Tally seem fine.... > >> I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD time > >believing > >> that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400

lbs > >> for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this.After

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> >> all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington for > >shits > >> n giggles. > >> > >> 2) Where's all the set-ups? > >> With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home. > >I've > >> been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors

and > >> sites. > >> > >> 2.5) Where's all the cars? > >> Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get#83 > >> Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin'fictional

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> >> car site! PLEASE! > >> > >> 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? > >> See the final sentence of question 1...... > >> > >> 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? > >> Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all > >> over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and

basically, > >> it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup itgives > >ya. > >> But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. > >> Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIMmode,

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> >but > >> adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal > >> sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable > >> player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. > >> > >> > >> I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out

the > >> second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it.I

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> >> would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... > >> > >> I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'. > >I'm > >> just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this > >> medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustrated > >with. > >> Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a

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> >> every Sunday....... > >> > >> > >> Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... > >> > >> > >> Tony > >> [email hidden] > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- >

>The ACT LABS FORCE RS is the best The TSW has no force feedback ie Caveman >technology :) I'm sure you've toyed w/enough TSWs to know... :) -TSW: at the low low price of only $400! Get yours today!- Alan

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>Subject: Re: N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help! >From: [email hidden] (Alan Conceicao) >Date: 03/17/2001 6:04 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >> If someone gets the N4 sim and discovers that they couldnt drive one of >>these cars worth a shit, then decides they dont like it. They are pussies :) > >I wouldn't go that far. But N4 is the ultimate in realism. If you don't want >TOTAL realism, buy N3 and like it, or change the realism settings in N3. >People >were frustrated w/GPL too...they'll get over it with time. >

Sorry I have no GPL experience. Is the AI in GPL equally as BLIND as the N4 AI? DB (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

Well if there is no force feedback its a total waste of my time! :) "Alan Conceicao" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >The ACT LABS FORCE RS is the best The TSW has no force feedback ieCaveman > >technology :) > > I'm sure you've toyed w/enough TSWs to know... :) > > -TSW: at the low low price of only $400! Get yours today!- > Alan

On some N3/N4 tracks, I need that! Others, I just need the chrome horn - get outta my way! :) On 17 Mar 2001 23:39:39 GMT, [email hidden] (Dan Belcher) wrote:

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>>what are >>"rookie stripes"? I gather from what I've heard that they are on the paint >>job?! > > >Take a look during a Winston Cup race at the back of a rookie's car. See the >yellow strip(s) running the length of the back bumper? Those are called rookie >stripes. They serve as a warning to following drivers to keep as far away from >this guy as possible as odds are he'll do something stupid since he's a rookie. > :) > >----------------------------------------- >Dan Belcher >Team Racing Unlimited >http://simcrash.00game.com

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The TSW is probably the BEST (Thomas Super Wheel). Personally, I use the Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro Digital usb wheel. It's like $69 or something reasonable like that at CompUSA. I think they have version2 out now... You can go into the software and link/unlink the brakes/gas pedal, and also program some key combinations onto the buttons... Main thing is that your driving will improve with a good wheel/pedal combo :) On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:21:24 GMT, "mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hello..... > > So far so good on the responses...... > > I forgeot to mention my controller situation.....here goes....(perhaps >this is my problem) > > I'm using a controller from InterAct called he "Vortex 3D". I don't >think it survived very long, but let me explain it. > > It is a combo of a pad, wheel and flight yoke. It's an oversized pad, >with a ball-joint on the bottom, along with a digital/analog switch. > So, in the case of N4...I set up my controller as a "gamepad". Then I >switch to 'analog', and place it on it's base (connects to ball-joint) At >this point, I get smooth steering (analog) but turning the pad on it's joint >like a wheel. Buttons control the gas and brake. > > It's a weird controller I admit....but damn, it seems to work fine. > > Any chance that N4 "sees" it as a joypad, period? > > I'm willing to try a wheel/pedal combo....but which one is a good, and a >good value as well???? > > > Tony > >P.S. search for "InterAct Vortex 3D" on google.com and you'll see what I >mean. > >P.P.S. I'm not "scared" to play a game, or race a game pal....but it was a >nice, below-the-belt shot anyways......jackass > >P.P.S.S. Thanks to all those who are attempting to assist with constructive >remarks. > > > > > > > >"mrTV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ents6.401088$[email hidden]... >> Greetings...... >> >> Here's my system..... >> >> P3 800 >> ATI Radeon 64meg >> SB Live! >> >> >> I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect, >etc) >> >> I installed N4, works great. >> >> Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing this...perhaps >I >> am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash. >> >> 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track? >> In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires >> warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this >> N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' the >pits. >> Daytona and Tally seem fine.... >> I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD time >believing >> that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs >> for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After >> all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington for >shits >> n giggles. >> >> 2) Where's all the set-ups? >> With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home. >I've >> been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and >> sites. >> >> 2.5) Where's all the cars? >> Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83 >> Papyrus. Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional >> car site! PLEASE! >> >> 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left? >> See the final sentence of question 1...... >> >> 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy? >> Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all >> over..even with a tweaked setup, etc. I try ARCADE mode...and basically, >> it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives >ya. >> But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over. >> Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode, >but >> adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal >> sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable >> player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc. >> >> >> I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out the >> second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I >> would have missed Pocono and Indy, though...... >> >> I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'. >I'm >> just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4 ENJOYABLE to this >> medium-skilled racer. It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustrated >with. >> Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living >> every Sunday....... >> >> >> Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here...... >> >> >> Tony >> [email hidden] >> >> >> >> >

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> Well if there is no force feedback its a total waste of my time! :) I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow on the track, or feel a bump. Which do I choose? Neither. I have a NASCAR Pro Digital. But if I had 400 bucks, I'd have a TSW. :) - Alan

In article <htPs6.5056$[email hidden]>, "Ronnie Bigwhip" <[email hidden]> writes: > If someone gets the N4 sim and discovers that they couldnt drive one of >these cars worth a shit, then decides they dont like it. They are pussies :) Well, that's a bit harsh... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow Or two, even. :) -full of grammatical errors today- Alan

Its ALOT more than just feeling a bump, and I dont give a damn about "lap times" if it aint realictic. BTW what speeds you runnin in N4??? If a person can drive a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure as heck aint gonna make em slower. you can feel bump and slides and you can feel the amount of traction and bite and tire loading with a good wheel. The only one really worth a crap IMO right now though is the ACT LABS FORCE RS. Microsoft is second best but the damper forces suck on it. mistakenceicao" <crap [email hidden]... > > Well if there is no force feedback its a total waste of my time! :) > > I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow on the track, orfeel > a bump. Which do I choose? Neither. I have a NASCAR Pro Digital. But if Ihad > 400 bu a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure as heckaint gonna make em slow )

Lets race bud ;) "Alan Conceicao" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow > > Or two, even. :) > > -full of grammatical errors today- > Alan

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Is the ACT LBS Force RS USB connected by chance? I've also got a Pro Digital. btw, FWIW, I tried the Microsoft forcefeedback with an Indy Car sim about 1 year and a half ago and I thought it sucked, personally. I've driven real race cars, and I didn't consider it realistic. It could have been the technology at the time, or the software and how it was programmed, I don't know... It obviously can't be THAT bad if everyone is raving about it... If anyone lives in the Northeast Tennessee area, I'd love to try one of these things out. I don't have a problem buying something if it's not going to collect dust. On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:29:41 GMT, "Ronnie Bigwhip" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Its ALOT more than just feeling a bump, and I dont give a damn about "lap >times" if it aint realictic. BTW what speeds you runnin in N4??? If a person >can drive a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure as heck >aint gonna make em slower. you can feel bump and slides and you can feel >the amount of traction and bite and tire loading with a good wheel. The only >one really worth a crap IMO right now though is the ACT LABS FORCE RS. >Microsoft is second best but the damper forces suck on it. > > > mistakenceicao" <crap [email hidden]... >> > Well if there is no force feedback its a total waste of my time! :) >> >> I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow on the track, or >feel >> a bump. Which do I choose? Neither. I have a NASCAR Pro Digital. But if I >had >> 400 bu a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure as heck >aint gonna make em slow >) >

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I tried the microsoft wheel and compared to the Act Labs wheel it sucks. If you try the Act labs with GPL or N4 it is very immersive and quite helpful imo. "George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Is the ACT LBS Force RS USB connected by chance? I've also got a Pro > Digital. btw, FWIW, I tried the Microsoft forcefeedback with an Indy > Car sim about 1 year and a half ago and I thought it sucked, > personally. I've driven real race cars, and I didn't consider it > realistic. It could have been the technology at the time, or the > software and how it was programmed, I don't know... It obviously can't > be THAT bad if everyone is raving about it... > > If anyone lives in the Northeast Tennessee area, I'd love to try one > of these things out. I don't have a problem buying something if it's > not going to collect dust. > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:29:41 GMT, "Ronnie Bigwhip" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Its ALOT more than just feeling a bump, and I dont give a damn about

"lap > >times" if it aint realictic. BTW what speeds you runnin in N4??? If aperson > >can drive a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure asheck > >aint gonna make em slower. you can feel bump and slides and you can feel > >the amount of traction and bite and tire loading with a good wheel. Theonly

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> >one really worth a crap IMO right now though is the ACT LABS FORCE RS. > >Microsoft is second best but the damper forces suck on it. > > > > > > mistakenceicao" <crap [email hidden]... > >> > Well if there is no force feedback its a total waste of my time! :) > >> > >> I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow on the track,

or > >feel > >> a bump. Which do I choose? Neither. I have a NASCAR Pro Digital. But ifI

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> >had > >> 400 bu a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure as heck > >aint gonna make em slow > >) > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- >

Is this something they carry at a CompUSA or something? thanks On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:31:20 GMT, "Ronnie Bigwhip" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I tried the microsoft wheel and compared to the Act Labs wheel it sucks. If >you try the Act labs with GPL or N4 it is very immersive and quite helpful >imo. > >"George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Is the ACT LBS Force RS USB connected by chance? I've also got a Pro >> Digital. btw, FWIW, I tried the Microsoft forcefeedback with an Indy >> Car sim about 1 year and a half ago and I thought it sucked, >> personally. I've driven real race cars, and I didn't consider it >> realistic. It could have been the technology at the time, or the >> software and how it was programmed, I don't know... It obviously can't >> be THAT bad if everyone is raving about it... >> >> If anyone lives in the Northeast Tennessee area, I'd love to try one >> of these things out. I don't have a problem buying something if it's >> not going to collect dust. >> >> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:29:41 GMT, "Ronnie Bigwhip" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> > Its ALOT more than just feeling a bump, and I dont give a damn about >"lap >> >times" if it aint realictic. BTW what speeds you runnin in N4??? If a >person >> >can drive a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure as >heck >> >aint gonna make em slower. you can feel bump and slides and you can feel >> >the amount of traction and bite and tire loading with a good wheel. The >only >> >one really worth a crap IMO right now though is the ACT LABS FORCE RS. >> >Microsoft is second best but the damper forces suck on it. >> > >> > >> > mistakenceicao" <crap [email hidden]... >> >> > Well if there is no force feedback its a total waste of my time! :) >> >> >> >> I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow on the track, >or >> >feel >> >> a bump. Which do I choose? Neither. I have a NASCAR Pro Digital. But if >I >> >had >> >> 400 bu a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure as heck >> >aint gonna make em slow >> >) >> > >> >> >> >> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >> -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- >> >

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NO in most places you have to order it online at www.act-labs.com "George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Is this something they carry at a CompUSA or something? > thanks > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:31:20 GMT, "Ronnie Bigwhip" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I tried the microsoft wheel and compared to the Act Labs wheel it sucks.

If > >you try the Act labs with GPL or N4 it is very immersive and quitehelpful

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> >imo. > > > >"George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Is the ACT LBS Force RS USB connected by chance? I've also got a Pro > >> Digital. btw, FWIW, I tried the Microsoft forcefeedback with an Indy > >> Car sim about 1 year and a half ago and I thought it sucked, > >> personally. I've driven real race cars, and I didn't consider it > >> realistic. It could have been the technology at the time, or the > >> software and how it was programmed, I don't know... It obviously can't > >> be THAT bad if everyone is raving about it... > >> > >> If anyone lives in the Northeast Tennessee area, I'd love to try one > >> of these things out. I don't have a problem buying something if it's > >> not going to collect dust. > >> > >> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:29:41 GMT, "Ronnie Bigwhip" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> > Its ALOT more than just feeling a bump, and I dont give a damn about > >"lap > >> >times" if it aint realictic. BTW what speeds you runnin in N4??? If a > >person > >> >can drive a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure as > >heck > >> >aint gonna make em slower. you can feel bump and slides and you can

feel > >> >the amount of traction and bite and tire loading with a good wheel.The

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> >only > >> >one really worth a crap IMO right now though is the ACT LABS FORCE RS. > >> >Microsoft is second best but the damper forces suck on it. > >> > > >> > > >> > mistakenceicao" <crap [email hidden]... > >> >> > Well if there is no force feedback its a total waste of my time!

:) > >> >> > >> >> I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow on thetrack, > >or > >> >feel > >> >> a bump. Which do I choose? Neither. I have a NASCAR Pro Digital. Butif > >I > >> >had > >> >> 400 bu a real car worth a crap then a force feedback wheel sure asheck

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> >> >aint gonna make em slow > >> >) > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > >> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > >> -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > >> > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- >

Thanks. I saw their special $189.95 with the shifter. I *would* like to try one out first to see if it's worth it or not. Like I said before, my first impression of FF was horrible. The other question about the ForceRS is the clamping system. Can anyone provide pictures of that or describe it in comparision to the Thrustmaster Pro Digital Nascar Wheel? that's all I can compare to. If I can't clamp it properly, it's useless... and I am not a woodworker, metalshopsmen or anything mechanically handy at all to make "modifications" On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:07:36 GMT, "Ronnie Bigwhip" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> NO in most places you have to order it online at www.act-labs.com > >"George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Is this something they carry at a CompUSA or something? >> thanks >> >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:31:20 GMT, "Ronnie Bigwhip" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >I tried the microsoft wheel and compared to the Act Labs wheel it sucks. >If >> >you try the Act labs with GPL or N4 it is very immersive and quite >helpful >> >imo.

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