This is what Sierra/Papy thinks about the AI bugs ?

lovingly ripped from Sierra's N4 board http://community.sierra.com/WebX?[email hidden]^0@.eee5739 snip: Mikel (Coordinator) - 09:55am Mar 29, 2001 PST (37.) Mark Sierra's On-Line Communities Most of you have complained time and time again about the AI. If you're unhappy with the AI then return the title - Sierra has an excellent 90 day guarantee. We at Sierra pride ourselves in allowing members to openly voice their opinion about the titles we produce, but there are limits. At other forums you'll likely find any negative feedback on a company's products immediately deleted. If you have a complaint about N4's AI then we want your feedback. You're welcome to voice your concerns a few times if you need to, however, ongoing complaining is only wasting valuable bandwidth at our forums. Thanks for listening, Mike

This sounds to me as Papyrus doesn't have any intention of modifying the AIs. Joel Willstein [email hidden] <Rich#8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> lovingly ripped from Sierra's N4 board > > > > http://community.sierra.com/WebX?[email hidden]^0@.eee5739 > > snip: > > Mikel (Coordinator) - 09:55am Mar 29, 2001 PST (37.) Mark > Sierra's On-Line Communities > Most of you have complained time and time again about the AI. If > you're unhappy with the AI then return the title - Sierra has an > excellent 90 day guarantee. > > We at Sierra pride ourselves in allowing members to openly voice their > opinion about the titles we produce, but there are limits. At other > forums you'll likely find any negative feedback on a company's > products immediately deleted. If you have a complaint about N4's AI > then we want your feedback. You're welcome to voice your concerns a > few times if you need to, however, ongoing complaining is only wasting > valuable bandwidth at our forums. > > Thanks for listening, > > Mike

The quote you're looking at is from *sierra*, not papyrus. In article <9a0b3c$gj5$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> This sounds to me as Papyrus doesn't have any intention of modifying > the AIs. > > Joel Willstein > [email hidden] > > > <Rich#8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > lovingly ripped from Sierra's N4 board > > > > > > > > http://community.sierra.com/WebX?[email hidden]^0@.eee5739 > > > > snip: > > > > Mikel (Coordinator) - 09:55am Mar 29, 2001 PST (37.) Mark > > Sierra's On-Line Communities > > Most of you have complained time and time again about the AI. If > > you're unhappy with the AI then return the title - Sierra has an > > excellent 90 day guarantee. > > > > We at Sierra pride ourselves in allowing members to openly voice their > > opinion about the titles we produce, but there are limits. At other > > forums you'll likely find any negative feedback on a company's > > products immediately deleted. If you have a complaint about N4's AI > > then we want your feedback. You're welcome to voice your concerns a > > few times if you need to, however, ongoing complaining is only wasting > > valuable bandwidth at our forums. > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > Mike > > >

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>"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote > This sounds to me as Papyrus doesn't have any intention of modifying > the AIs. This sounds (and the past has proven it) like a Sierra board representant who simply want people to stop whining about the AI. Papyrus knows. Papyrus is fixing it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

There is a big difference between complaining and an even halfway thorough bug report. I'm on my second beta test right now, and am still amazed that some testers do the same thing. They start venting on the poor guys who are developing this stuff because it porked em'. Then ya get the post from the moderators telling the rest of us to settle down, or more heads will roll...lol So what, the AI is a little sloppy. Like John said, what was said, was spoken by the publisher and not the developers. Papy has always made corrections, i'm sure all will be well soon enough. GMpartsguy...

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>From: "ymenard" [email hidden] >Date: 03/29/2001 6:51 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <KTPw6.478796$[email hidden]> > >>"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote >> This sounds to me as Papyrus doesn't have any intention of modifying >> the AIs. > > >This sounds (and the past has proven it) like a Sierra board representant >who simply want people to stop whining about the AI. Papyrus knows. >Papyrus is fixing it. > > > > >

That's not what the arrogant bum said. He said If ya don't like it return it and stop wasting our time. If they were working on it or even considering working on it he would have said....at the very least "we are working on improving our already excellent AI" (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

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>"PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote > >This sounds (and the past has proven it) like a Sierra board representant > >who simply want people to stop whining about the AI. Papyrus knows. > >Papyrus is fixing it. > > > > > > > > > > > That's not what the arrogant bum said. He said If ya don't like it return

it > and stop wasting our time. Exactly, he's a Sierra (note, NOT Papyrus) rep. that works on the board. He wants people to stop whining on his board about the AI. Duh. If people are that much frustrated that they can't whine and feel that they had their money wasted, they can always return it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"GMpartsdude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xEQw6.72596$[email hidden]... > There is a big difference between complaining and an even halfway thorough > bug report. I'm on my second beta test right now, and am still amazed that > some testers do the same thing. They start venting on the poor guys whoare

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> developing this stuff because it porked em'. Then ya get the post from the > moderators telling the rest of us to settle down, or more heads will > roll...lol > So what, the AI is a little sloppy. Like John said, what was said, was > spoken by the publisher and not the developers. Papy has always made > corrections, i'm sure all will be well soon enough. > GMpartsguy... > > Yesterday was soon enough!!!! MILO

They cant as its .lp file structure is built into the code Joel A. Willstein <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9a0b3c$gj5$[email hidden]... > This sounds to me as Papyrus doesn't have any intention of modifying > the AIs.

>"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote > They cant as its .lp file structure is built into the code lmao! Papyrus created the code, but can't modify it? Where's your logic? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Papyrus is working on the AI. -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 "PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >From: "ymenard" [email hidden] > >Date: 03/29/2001 6:51 PM Eastern Standard Time > >Message-id: <KTPw6.478796$[email hidden]> > > > >>"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> This sounds to me as Papyrus doesn't have any intention of modifying > >> the AIs. > > > > > >This sounds (and the past has proven it) like a Sierra board representant > >who simply want people to stop whining about the AI. Papyrus knows. > >Papyrus is fixing it. > > > > > > > > > > > That's not what the arrogant bum said. He said If ya don't like it return it > and stop wasting our time. If they were working on it or even considering > working on it he would have said....at the very least "we are working on > improving our already excellent AI" > > > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) >

They've been "working on" their crappy AI for about 5 years now, and it seems to be getting worse rather than better. Maybe it's time they stop working on it and hire someone who knows how to fix it. Who would have thought back when N1 came out that the AI in NASCAR games would still suck in 2001? The graphics, sound. and other candy improves, but the game itself (racing) still blows. "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Papyrus is working on the AI. > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > > > "PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >From: "ymenard" [email hidden] > > >Date: 03/29/2001 6:51 PM Eastern Standard Time > > >Message-id: <KTPw6.478796$[email hidden]> > > > > > >>"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote > > >> This sounds to me as Papyrus doesn't have any intention

of > modifying > > >> the AIs. > > > > > > > > >This sounds (and the past has proven it) like a Sierra boardrepresentant > > >who simply want people to stop whining about the AI. Papyrusknows.

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> > >Papyrus is fixing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not what the arrogant bum said. He said If ya don't like

it return > it > > and stop wasting our time. If they were working on it or evenconsidering > > working on it he would have said....at the very least "we areworking on

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> > improving our already excellent AI" > > > > > > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) > > > >

They've been "working on" their crappy AI for about 5 years now, and it seems to be getting worse rather than better. Maybe it's time they stop working on it and hire someone who knows how to fix it. Who would have thought back when N1 came out that the AI in NASCAR games would still suck in 2001? The graphics, sound. and other candy improves, but the game itself (racing) still blows. "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Papyrus is working on the AI. > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > > > "PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >From: "ymenard" [email hidden] > > >Date: 03/29/2001 6:51 PM Eastern Standard Time > > >Message-id: <KTPw6.478796$[email hidden]> > > > > > >>"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote > > >> This sounds to me as Papyrus doesn't have any intention

of > modifying > > >> the AIs. > > > > > > > > >This sounds (and the past has proven it) like a Sierra boardrepresentant > > >who simply want people to stop whining about the AI. Papyrusknows.

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> > >Papyrus is fixing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not what the arrogant bum said. He said If ya don't like

it return > it > > and stop wasting our time. If they were working on it or evenconsidering > > working on it he would have said....at the very least "we areworking on

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> > improving our already excellent AI" > > > > > > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) > > > >

"rec.autos.simulators" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ac61c40$0$14452$[email hidden]...

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> They've been "working on" their crappy AI for about 5 years now, and > it seems to be getting worse rather than better. Maybe it's time they > stop working on it and hire someone who knows how to fix it. > > Who would have thought back when N1 came out that the AI in NASCAR > games would still suck in 2001? The graphics, sound. and other candy > improves, but the game itself (racing) still blows. >

Now that Wisconsin has thawed out some, give us your solution to the AI problem.

Do you really think that the AI hs not been improved? I have seen improvements on every release. I do know how you can make such a bold statement such as " the game itself (racing) still blows." What are you comparing the "game itself" to? On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:10:37 -0600, "rec.autos.simulators" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>They've been "working on" their crappy AI for about 5 years now, and >it seems to be getting worse rather than better. Maybe it's time they >stop working on it and hire someone who knows how to fix it. > >Who would have thought back when N1 came out that the AI in NASCAR >games would still suck in 2001? The graphics, sound. and other candy >improves, but the game itself (racing) still blows. > > > >"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Papyrus is working on the AI. >> >> -- >> Scott B. Husted >> PA-Scott >> ICQ# 4395450 >> >> >> "PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > >From: "ymenard" [email hidden] >> > >Date: 03/29/2001 6:51 PM Eastern Standard Time >> > >Message-id: <KTPw6.478796$[email hidden]> >> > > >> > >>"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote >> > >> This sounds to me as Papyrus doesn't have any intention >of >> modifying >> > >> the AIs. >> > > >> > > >> > >This sounds (and the past has proven it) like a Sierra board >representant >> > >who simply want people to stop whining about the AI. Papyrus >knows. >> > >Papyrus is fixing it. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > That's not what the arrogant bum said. He said If ya don't like >it return >> it >> > and stop wasting our time. If they were working on it or even >considering >> > working on it he would have said....at the very least "we are >working on >> > improving our already excellent AI" >> > >> > >> > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) >> > >> >> >

"Assman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Do you really think that the AI hs not been improved? I have seen > improvements on every release. For every improvement I've seen, I've seen something else get worse. Now the AI will race you harder for position, but they will also run you off the track as if you aren't even there. > I do know how you can make such a bold > statement such as " the game itself (racing) still blows." What are > you comparing the "game itself" to? I'm comparing it to what my expectations are for five years of development, as well as gauging the AI improvements in other gaming genres (RPG, FPS,etc), not to mention the quality of AI in some of the competing racing products from other companies (Ratbag, EA, etc). Papyrus has made major strides in graphics and even physics since N1, but AI quality seems to have taken a back seat to multiplayer development - something I could care less about until there is once again a centralized hosting (e.g., TEN) style system on which to race multiplayer.

<<Now that Wisconsin has thawed out some, give us your solution to the AI problem>> Oh-now we are supposed to fix the unbelievably terrible Papy AI even though we are the one's shelling out money to buy this crappy piece of shit! Where are all you idiots who bitched about the terrible AI in Nascar Revolution! That AI was better than this total crap! Mike White <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s9px6.12729$[email hidden]...

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> > "rec.autos.simulators" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3ac61c40$0$14452$[email hidden]... > > They've been "working on" their crappy AI for about 5 years now, and > > it seems to be getting worse rather than better. Maybe it's time they > > stop working on it and hire someone who knows how to fix it. > > > > Who would have thought back when N1 came out that the AI in NASCAR > > games would still suck in 2001? The graphics, sound. and other candy > > improves, but the game itself (racing) still blows. > > > > Now that Wisconsin has thawed out some, give us your solution to the AI > problem. > > > > > >

Someone who feels they should "hire someone who knows how to fix it" must have some idea how to fix it. "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xEDA6.24$[email hidden]... > <<Now that Wisconsin has thawed out some, give us your solution to the AI > problem>> > > Oh-now we are supposed to fix the unbelievably terrible Papy AI eventhough

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> we are the one's shelling out money to buy this crappy piece of shit! > > Where are all you idiots who bitched about the terrible AI in Nascar > Revolution! That AI was better than this total crap! > > Mike White <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:s9px6.12729$[email hidden]... > > > > "rec.autos.simulators" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3ac61c40$0$14452$[email hidden]... > > > They've been "working on" their crappy AI for about 5 years now, and > > > it seems to be getting worse rather than better. Maybe it's time they > > > stop working on it and hire someone who knows how to fix it. > > > > > > Who would have thought back when N1 came out that the AI in NASCAR > > > games would still suck in 2001? The graphics, sound. and other candy > > > improves, but the game itself (racing) still blows. > > > > > > > Now that Wisconsin has thawed out some, give us your solution to the AI > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I know exactly how to fix it: hire someone who knows how to fix it. "Mike White" wrote > Someone who feels they should "hire someone who knows how to fix it" must > have some idea how to fix it.

The way to fix the AI is to race online without the AI. In article <XnKA6.9$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I know exactly how to fix it: hire someone who knows how to fix it. > > "Mike White" wrote > > Someone who feels they should "hire someone who knows how to fix it" must > > have some idea how to fix it. > > > >

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Online SIM racing? Outide of GPL?? I didn't know it existed. I did try this sim called N4... it was great. I could run head on into a wall at 170mph, drive to the pits, get repairs, and not lose any speed when I returned to the track! This made for some excellent lap speeds at Bristol and Martinsville. </sarcasm> -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The way to fix the AI is to race online without the AI. > > In article <XnKA6.9$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > I know exactly how to fix it: hire someone who knows how to fix it. > > > > "Mike White" wrote > > > Someone who feels they should "hire someone who knows how to fix it" must > > > have some idea how to fix it. > > > > > > > > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Boy is that a joke. Are you for real? 3/4 of the servers are passworded out and the others have wreck fests every lap. I fixed the ai myself and am having a blast! ( Nascar Heat's ai is better though.) There is a major wrecking problem with Martinville in N4. That Papy has to fix. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The way to fix the AI is to race online without the AI. >

In article <9b1q5t$p20$[email hidden]>, "BClay" <[email hidden]> writes: >Boy is that a joke. Are you for real? 3/4 of the servers are passworded out >and the others have wreck fests every lap. I fixed the ai myself and am >having a blast! ( Nascar Heat's ai is better though.) There is a major >wrecking problem with Martinville in N4. That Papy has to fix. So, you just have to make friends with the people running passworded servers so that you can join...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.