What F1 sim game do you think Montoya uses?

The US TV announcers kept commenting about how fast Montoya was on a track (Brazil) he has never been on. I have heard that he is a big fan of driving games, but I wonder if that's why he was fast at Brazil? I remember Villenueve said he learned Spa with a computer driving sim. My friend that is in the auto racing business thinks that all video/computer games are stupid and a waste of time. I would like to prove him wrong about the driving sims :) Lutrell

"Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9b2y6.17144$[email hidden]... > The US TV announcers kept commenting about how fast Montoya was on a track > (Brazil) he has never been on. I have heard that he is a big fan ofdriving > games, but I wonder if that's why he was fast at Brazil? I remember > Villenueve said he learned Spa with a computer driving sim. > My friend that is in the auto racing business thinks that allvideo/computer > games are stupid and a waste of time. I would like to prove him wrongabout > the driving sims :) > Lutrell > > > Your friend obviously has never played Grand Prix Legends. -- Some Call Me Tim

Last time i heard, GPL was Montys favorite racing sim. Im guessing monty is probably using F1CS and/or some PSX F1 game now. He used to play GP2 also...... On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Some Call Me Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Your friend obviously has never played Grand Prix Legends.

Villenueve learned Spa by playing GP2 IIRC. Chris -- Simbokza GPL FD League www.simbokza.com Remove _YOUR_CLOTHES before replying by e-mail "Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9b2y6.17144$[email hidden]... > The US TV announcers kept commenting about how fast Montoya was on a track > (Brazil) he has never been on. I have heard that he is a big fan of driving > games, but I wonder if that's why he was fast at Brazil? I remember > Villenueve said he learned Spa with a computer driving sim. > My friend that is in the auto racing business thinks that all video/computer > games are stupid and a waste of time. I would like to prove him wrong about > the driving sims :) > Lutrell > > >

I don't know about JPM but Verstappen probably used Midtown Madness for training... Dale.

"Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I don't know about JPM but Verstappen probably used Midtown Madness for > training... Maybe TOCA2, with all that bumping

I have an issue of Incite (May 2000 #6) game magazine that has an interview with Juan Montoya. Juan states that he used CART Precision Racing to learn all the tracks in his first year of CART racing. His favorite however is Grand Prix 2 which he has played since it's original release. This article came out just before GP3 was released and he mentioned he couldn't wait for it's release. He made no mention of GPL at all in the article. In fact he mentioned that he really enjoyed Ferrari F355 Challenge because of it's realistic feel. My guess is he's been using GP3 for his F1 debut. "Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9b2y6.17144$[email hidden]... > The US TV announcers kept commenting about how fast Montoya was on a track > (Brazil) he has never been on. I have heard that he is a big fan ofdriving > games, but I wonder if that's why he was fast at Brazil? I remember > Villenueve said he learned Spa with a computer driving sim. > My friend that is in the auto racing business thinks that allvideo/computer > games are stupid and a waste of time. I would like to prove him wrongabout > the driving sims :) > Lutrell > > >

"Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I don't know about JPM but Verstappen probably used Midtown Madness for > training... > > Dale. I think it is another case of one league taking care of it's own. As long as JPM was not a threat to the big guns..then they left him alone. Now that he has shown himself to be a threat....keep looking for those out of the points to accidently make contact with him. If Jacques last name was ANY thing but Villenueve, I think he never would have finished enough races to win the WC. dave henrie

ROTFLOL! "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I don't know about JPM but Verstappen probably used Midtown Madness for > training...

no... that's Barry who uses MM for training. =) 3 races, 3 punts.. hardly a coincidence.

& I thought the choice was Monster Truck Madness Or was it MsPacMan?. <g> | "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > I don't know about JPM but Verstappen probably used Midtown Madness for | > training...

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> "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I don't know about JPM but Verstappen probably used Midtown Madness for > > training... > > > > Dale. > I think it is another case of one league taking care of it's own. As > long as > JPM was not a threat to the big guns..then they left him alone. Now that he > has shown himself to be a threat....keep looking for those out of the points > to accidently make contact with him. > If Jacques last name was ANY thing but Villenueve, I think he never would > have > finished enough races to win the WC. > dave henrie > > >

No way. While certainly the drivers will do kamikaze moves to win the World Championship (Senna vs Prost, M Shumi vs J Villie), I cannot believe a driver not racing for position would shunt another to 'protect their own'. That is just too pathetic a reason. Maybe in another, under less pressure, category of racing, but not F1. MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8,1 RUN

"Michael R Sisson> While certainly the drivers will do kamikaze moves to win the World > Championship (Senna vs Prost, M Shumi vs J Villie), I cannot believe a > driver not racing for position would shunt another to 'protect their > own'. That is just too pathetic a reason. Maybe in another, under less > pressure, category of racing, but not F1. > > MRSisson Karl Wedlinger Vs Michael Andretti....at least 3 times in the first half of the season. (if memory serves) Gil De Ferran vs the IRL backmarker. Robbie Gordon and Tony Stewart VS the rest of Nascar. Why not F1...the supposed 'pinnacle' of motorsports. If a driver from another established league begins to have sucess against the established drivers...then the prestige of being an F1 pilot is deminished. Aryton Senna punching Eddie Irvine after Eddie unlapped himself as a rookie... Those are just off the top of me noggin' I put NOTHING past anyone when the stakes ($$$$) are so incredibly high. dave henrie

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>"Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I don't know about JPM but Verstappen probably used Midtown Madness for >> training... >> >> Dale. > I think it is another case of one league taking care of it's own. As >long as >JPM was not a threat to the big guns..then they left him alone. Now that he >has shown himself to be a threat....keep looking for those out of the points >to accidently make contact with him. > If Jacques last name was ANY thing but Villenueve, I think he never would >have >finished enough races to win the WC. >dave henrie

You're saying that Jos hit Montoya on purpose? Andre

HAHA - thats the funniest thing i have heard in a long time ;) "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> If Jacques last name was ANY thing but Villenueve, I think he never >would have finished enough races to win the WC. > > You're saying that Jos hit Montoya on purpose? > Andre >

simply...yes... Can I proove it? NO! But the prestige of the established F1 stars will suffer if JPM comes right in and wins...JV has been around several years with barely a hint of the podium, now Montoya shows up and before he even learns the cirucuits, he's in a position to win. It's an old American sports strategy..when you are up against the wall...PUNT! dave henrie

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> "Andre Warringa" <> > > If Jacques last name was ANY thing but Villenueve, I think he never > >would have finished enough races to win the WC. > > > > > You're saying that Jos hit Montoya on purpose? > > Andre > > > simply...yes... > Can I proove it? NO! But the prestige of the established F1 stars will > suffer if > JPM comes right in and wins...JV has been around several years with barely a > hint > of the podium, now Montoya shows up and before he even learns the cirucuits, > he's > in a position to win. > It's an old American sports strategy..when you are up against the > wall...PUNT!

Can't recall Montoya got stuffed in the wall by his competitors in 99, when he competed in a american sport, and very well also. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

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> >"Andre Warringa" <> > > If Jacques last name was ANY thing but Villenueve, I think he never >>would have finished enough races to win the WC. > >> >> You're saying that Jos hit Montoya on purpose? >> Andre >> > simply...yes... >Can I proove it? NO! But the prestige of the established F1 stars will >suffer if >JPM comes right in and wins...JV has been around several years with barely a >hint >of the podium, now Montoya shows up and before he even learns the cirucuits, >he's >in a position to win. > It's an old American sports strategy..when you are up against the >wall...PUNT! >dave henrie

Dave, I can't believe what you're saying here.. Jos did NOT crash into Montoya on purpose, taking out himself out of the race as well.. I can imagine that Schumi would rather see Montoya and himself taken out of the race than Montoya becoming 1st and him becoming 2nd, but what reason would Jos have to take out Montoya? Jos was driving 9th at that time and with the upcoming rain Jos had a good chance of scoring some points.. Andre

Ummm..Dave there is a certain matter of a world championship by JV ;) Ash | JPM comes right in and wins...JV has been around several years with barelya | hint | of the podium, now Montoya shows up and before he even learns thecirucuits, | he's | in a position to win.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have done it on purpose, for several reasons 1. The team would be really pissed at having to rebuild the car. 2. He had a great race just two weeks previously and stood a chance of possibly scoring more points 3. He's not an American so doesn't have "the old American sports strategy..when you are up against the wall...PUNT!" 4. Even though he's a pretty wealthy guy, a $15000 fine is not nice. Why would the F1 stars suffer if Montoya comes right in and wins ? Jenson Button had a few good races last year, even outqualifying M Schumacher at Spa, yet no one tried to take him out. He came straight from F3 which is a lower series than CART. Montoya was very succesful in F 3000, he was expected to enter F1 earlier than he did, would you be saying the same thing if he'd started being competitive in F1 straight from F3000 rather than CART? Why the hell does having the name Villeneuve make Jaques a less likely target for the same alleged treatment ? This is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QPky6.669097$[email hidden]... > > "Andre Warringa" <> > > If Jacques last name was ANY thing but Villenueve, I think he never > >would have finished enough races to win the WC. > > > > > You're saying that Jos hit Montoya on purpose? > > Andre > > > simply...yes... > Can I proove it? NO! But the prestige of the established F1 stars will > suffer if > JPM comes right in and wins...JV has been around several years with barely a > hint > of the podium, now Montoya shows up and before he even learns the cirucuits, > he's > in a position to win. > It's an old American sports strategy..when you are up against the > wall...PUNT! > dave henrie > >

To bad its so difficult to have interviews with F1 drivers as compared to CART , or at least in the US we don't hear about them. It would be interesting to ask all the young rookies if the racing sims have helped them with their driving or just made it easier to learn the track layout. I don't think they could learn a better car feel from a driving sim, but maybe explore different lines, shift and braking points or passing maneuvers and strategy. I raced in an amateur event at Phoenix and I felt that I had been there before and I had a good idea of where to be on the track coming off the banking after playing Nascar 2. I had no idea how much g's there would be in the turns though. For my first time racing at Mid-Ohio I tried to practice with Indycar II but I learned more from watching Barber Saab in car videos because it was closer to my lap speed with shifting and accelerating points. My first session on the track I was running times good enough to be in the top five. Lutrell #74 DSR http://insideracingtechnology.com/dsr1.htm "Robert Allen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7F5y6.41629$[email hidden]... > I have an issue of Incite (May 2000 #6) game magazine that has aninterview > with Juan Montoya. Juan states that he used CART Precision Racing to learn > all the tracks in his first year of CART racing. His favorite however is > Grand Prix 2 which he has played since it's original release. This article > came out just before GP3 was released and he mentioned he couldn't waitfor > it's release. He made no mention of GPL at all in the article. In fact he > mentioned that he really enjoyed Ferrari F355 Challenge because of it's > realistic feel. > > My guess is he's been using GP3 for his F1 debut. >

And before that he used "Night Driver."

Montoya definately drives GPL. Sunday was a great display of how he has got the Surtees rear ender down to a fine art ;-) MS Lutrell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9b2y6.17144$[email hidden]... > The US TV announcers kept commenting about how fast Montoya was on a track > (Brazil) he has never been on. I have heard that he is a big fan ofdriving > games, but I wonder if that's why he was fast at Brazil? I remember > Villenueve said he learned Spa with a computer driving sim. > My friend that is in the auto racing business thinks that allvideo/computer > games are stupid and a waste of time. I would like to prove him wrongabout > the driving sims :) > Lutrell > > >

See a little bit further up in the thread...the Name Villenueve was his free pass. dave henrie "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9acqce$2ov$[email hidden]... > Ummm..Dave there is a certain matter of a world championship by JV ;) > > Ash >

"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9acsb2$tq1$[email hidden]... > I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have done it on purpose, for several reasons > 1. The team would be really pissed at having to rebuild the car. They tear them down after each race anyway..and this being the last of the Southern Hemisphere races...most cars at San Marino will be substantially updated. > 2. He had a great race just two weeks previously and stood a chance of > possibly scoring more points He was just lapped by an American Series champion, his day was done, he was toast. > 3. He's not an American so doesn't have "the old American sports > strategy..when you are up against the wall...PUNT!" Our game, our rules...everybody plays. :) > 4. Even though he's a pretty wealthy guy, a $15000 fine is not nice. The old guard drivers can pass the hat and probably cover that with pocket cash. > > Why would the F1 stars suffer if Montoya comes right in and wins ?Loss of Prestige plain and simple. > Jenson Button had a few good races last year, even outqualifying M > Schumacher at Spa, yet no one tried to take him out. He came straight from > F3 which is a lower series than CART. And where, pray tell, is Jenson Button these days????? (I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Jack) > Montoya was very succesful in F 3000, he was expected to enter F1 earlier > than he did, would you be saying the same thing if he'd started being > competitive in F1 straight from F3000 rather than CART? No because he would have taken the 'PROPER' path to sucess. Instead he chose to run off to America and race those sloppy overweight turbocars. > Why the hell does having the name Villeneuve make Jaques a less likely > target for the same alleged treatment ? Anyone who has ANY knowledge of what Gilles meant to the sport cannot possibly be asking that question..... > > This is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. I've got tall boots!! :) > > -- > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam>dave henrie spam comes in a can.

>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote > See a little bit further up in the thread...the Name Villenueve was his > free pass. Yeah, like Andretti <G> borderline troll. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

You obviously didnt watch that year :) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zFvy6.670385$[email hidden]...

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| See a little bit further up in the thread...the Name Villenueve was his | free pass. | dave henrie | "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:9acqce$2ov$[email hidden]... | > Ummm..Dave there is a certain matter of a world championship by JV ;) | > | > Ash | > | | |

In article <Ktmy6.17183$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > >I raced in an amateur event at Phoenix and I felt that I had been there >before and I had a good idea of where to be on the track coming off the >banking after playing Nascar 2. I had no idea how much g's there would be in >the turns though. On similar lines, I made the Phillip Island (Victoria, Australia) circuit for GP2 a few years back, and recently I've had a few emails from a 'supercart' driver who's been using it. The email I got a few days ago said he finally got to race on the real track in real life and won the state championship, so maybe there really is a minor advantage in knowing the track in this way. cheers...

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> "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I don't know about JPM but Verstappen probably used Midtown Madness for > > training... > > > > Dale. > I think it is another case of one league taking care of it's own.

Dave, you're starting to scare me. Were you the author of that TV show on Fox about how the moon landing was faked as part of a big conspiracy? ;-) So was this Verstappen acting on his own? Let's think about that .... After a few years of mediocrity, he was even almost replaced at the beginning of this year, he finally has a very strong drive in Malaysia. His stock as a driver is way up. And he would throw this new-found reputation out the window with a bone-headed stunt like that because he is jealous of a former CART driver? Or was this team orders from his boss, Tom Walkinshaw? What on earth would he have to gain? I don't think the sponsors would be too thrilled to have cars being intentionally removed from the race for such petty reasons. Or does the conspiracy go deeper, including Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley? They are thrilled that there is new, exciting talent coming into Formula One. And to top it off, Montoya even has ties to the U.S. because of the fans he won running CART, a market they are eager to expand. Also, the re-emergence of Williams as a team to be reckoned with can only help add excitement to the series that has been dominated by two teams for a long time. There have been a lot of crashes this year - Barrichello tangling with Frentzen at Australia, Villeneuve launching over the back of Ralf at Australia, Barrichello bumping Ralf at Malaysia, Barrichello rear-ending Ralf at Brazil, and now Verstappen and Montoya .... Singling out this one as being part of some clandestine plan just doesn't make any sense. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

> > > Dale. > > I think it is another case of one league taking care of it's own. > > Dave, you're starting to scare me. Were you the author of that TV show onFox > about how the moon landing was faked as part of a big conspiracy? ;-) > > So was this Verstappen acting on his own? Let's think about that ....After a > few years of mediocrity, he was even almost replaced at the beginning ofthis > year, he finally has a very strong drive in Malaysia. His stock as adriver is > way up. And he would throw this new-found reputation out the window witha > bone-headed stunt like that because he is jealous of a former CART driver? His stock is soaring, yes but he just got lapped by a guy who finished ...what??? 7th in the CART series last year? (I'm guessing I don't know....) > > Or was this team orders from his boss, Tom Walkinshaw? Ah Tom Walkinshaw...Mr Jaguar if you will recall, the many many years prepping Le Mans and IMSA Jags. Who owns Jaguar now? FORD. Who stands to lose the LUCRATIVE BRITISH Luxury market to BMW..??? (is this starting to make sense yet?) What on earth would he > have to gain? I don't think the sponsors would be too thrilled to havecars > being intentionally removed from the race for such petty reasons. Damn! Didn't I see more of poor Jos and his ORANGE sponsor as he flew over the top of JPM...must have replayed it 5 or 6 times..that more than equals all the tv exposure the Brazillian producers were giving him. > > Or does the conspiracy go deeper, including Bernie Ecclestone and MaxMosley? Hired Guns meant to throw you off the trail of the real bosses. > They are thrilled that there is new, exciting talent coming into FormulaOne. > And to top it off, Montoya even has ties to the U.S. because of the fanshe won > running CART, a market they are eager to expand. Also, the re-emergenceof > Williams as a team to be reckoned with can only help add excitement to the > series that has been dominated by two teams for a long time. Frank Williams had sucess...look what happened to him.(cheap shot eh?) > > There have been a lot of crashes this year - Barrichello tangling with > Frentzen at Australia,(First turn madness) Villeneuve launching over the back of Ralf at Australia, > Barrichello bumping Ralf at Malaysia,(Fist Turn madness) Barrichello rear-ending Ralf at Brazil, (uh...deja vu?) > and now Verstappen and Montoya .... Singling out this one as being part ofsome > clandestine plan just doesn't make any sense. Not a clandestine plan Dave. But think about it...here is poor ol Jos, who, by rights has earned his way into F1. We now have Kimi, and Jenson and Juan...babies... So now this guy who bailed on a bad Williams seat 3 years ago comes back just when Williams is getting it's act together again....No plan...just red...red mist.... JPM will win...but only when his peers deem he has earned the honor... dave henrie

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On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:02:28 -0600, David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote: >Dave, you're starting to scare me. Were you the author of that TV show on Fox >about how the moon landing was faked as part of a big conspiracy? ;-) > >So was this Verstappen acting on his own? Let's think about that .... After a >few years of mediocrity, he was even almost replaced at the beginning of this >year, he finally has a very strong drive in Malaysia. What? Where did you read this? He had a reasonable good season last year, if his car wouldn't have broken down so often.. In his first year(s) Jos had to learn a lot, and I don't think he's as naturally talented as Schumi or Montoya is, but he sure is an excellent driver with a great fighting spirit, and he excels in starts and driving in the rain. I can't imagine Arrows would have even considered replacing Jos this season.. >His stock as a driver is >way up. And he would throw this new-found reputation out the window with a >bone-headed stunt like that because he is jealous of a former CART driver? No, ofcourse not. Somehow I think Dave is not being serious here and is having a big laugh at our reactions :) Dave, if you are being serious.. get help :)) >Also, the re-emergence of >Williams as a team to be reckoned with can only help add excitement to the >series that has been dominated by two teams for a long time. Right, the more teams having a chance of winning, the better. Seeing a Williams back at the lead was fantastic. How I wish Montoya would have won the race :( Andre

On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:04:22 -0400, "Cyril Ma" <[email hidden]> wrote: snip snip *lots of paranoia removed* Hi all. I've got a rule in life that I respect opinions and don't flame on usenet, and, even after reading a ton of statements in different ng's, I've been able to supress the urge to grab the keyboard and bash away. However, *dave henrie*, I hope you don't mind me adding my opinion to this lot. This is the second thread (that i've noticed) in which you mentioned this theory of yours. I managed to resist the temptation the first time I read it, but after watching this thread for a day or two, I find I have to say something.. I believe you theory is a load of crap. Purely my opinion, of course, like it or leave, its mine. I disagree with your paranoid view of the world and I don't think your view has any merit. In fact, I believe there is more truth in Aliens/ UFOs/ Government conspiracy theories than in your theory. Please don't take this personally as, besides this issue, I have enjoyed and agreed with many other posts you and others have made in this group. Yes, the stakes are high. Yes, the money floating around is astronomical. But I firmly believe that the driver's ego is even bigger. Montoya wants to be number 1, Montoya wants to show Schumey and the world how fast he is. Good luck to him. As for Verstappen, he has more to lose in terms of PERSONAL prestige than anything else and seriously doubt he would risk losing his job (due to perceived incompetence) in order to make a point to a newcomer to the sport. Again, maybe I am naiive and believe in the tooth fairy or whatever, but I do believe it was a simple racing accident, no matter how unfortunate. Don't get me started on the Ford / Jaguar / BMW thing... I hope that Montoya does do well and win and, if possible, avoid future controversy along the way. I am a Schumey fan myself, but I would be happy to see Montoya finish on or near the top of the championship podium just to have your theory disproved. By the way, being the son of a famous, loved, respected and admired driver did nothing for Michael Andretti, so using that for Jacques is not really much of argument. If Mario had to die and Michael made a comeback to F1, do you expect him to do well and have the drivers accept him openly? Oh man, I just thought of Damon Hill. mmm. Won't go there. Didn't the son of Jackie Stewart(Paul) and Jack Brabham race as well? Were they also punted out of Formula One? Can't recall. Mmm. Michael was slower than Ayrton Senna, full-stop. Maclaren didn't have their best car that year and the difference betwen Senna and Michael was probably the factor that led to Michael not being competitive. As others have said. It can't be easy to be a team-mate of a Senna, Schumacher, Lauda or even Prost. Sorry Dave, I can't say I agree with you. Maybe we should compare notes later in the season. In the case of Zanardi ...*snip* I've calmed down now and I feel better. Glad I could express my opinion, feel free to crititise it. I don't mind. regards, ian

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:04:22 -0400, "Cyril Ma" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > snip snip *lots of paranoia removed*para-what??? heheh..

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> > Hi all. > > I've got a rule in life that I respect opinions and don't flame on > usenet, and, even after reading a ton of statements in different ng's, > I've been able to supress the urge to grab the keyboard and bash away. > > However, *dave henrie*, I hope you don't mind me adding my opinion to > this lot. > > This is the second thread (that i've noticed) in which you mentioned > this theory of yours. I managed to resist the temptation the first > time I read it, but after watching this thread for a day or two, I > find I have to say something.. > > I believe you theory is a load of crap. Purely my opinion, of course, > like it or leave, its mine. I disagree with your paranoid view of the > world and I don't think your view has any merit. In fact, I believe > there is more truth in Aliens/ UFOs/ Government conspiracy theories > than in your theory. Please don't take this personally as, besides > this issue, I have enjoyed and agreed with many other posts you and > others have made in this group.

I'm not offended...I am amused and have 'possibly' taken this thread down the road to ridiculous :) <but I could be mistaken> :)

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> > Yes, the stakes are high. Yes, the money floating around is > astronomical. But I firmly believe that the driver's ego is even > bigger. Montoya wants to be number 1, Montoya wants to show Schumey > and the world how fast he is. Good luck to him. As for Verstappen, > he has more to lose in terms of PERSONAL prestige than anything else > and seriously doubt he would risk losing his job (due to perceived > incompetence) in order to make a point to a newcomer to the sport. > Again, maybe I am naiive and believe in the tooth fairy or whatever, > but I do believe it was a simple racing accident, no matter how > unfortunate.

A tracing of the gas pedal telemetry will tell all. I would suspect the line would show Jos had his foot buried right up and over the Williams. However a telemetry reading won't show the though process that went along with it... > > Don't get me started on the Ford / Jaguar / BMW thing...can you say ROVER? > > I hope that Montoya does do well and win and, if possible, avoid > future controversy along the way. I am a Schumey fan myself, but I > would be happy to see Montoya finish on or near the top of the > championship podium just to have your theory disproved. I agree that if the Williams team can start finishing races, they will rise fairly high in the points ladders.

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> > By the way, being the son of a famous, loved, respected and admired > driver did nothing for Michael Andretti, so using that for Jacques is > not really much of argument. If Mario had to die and Michael made a > comeback to F1, do you expect him to do well and have the drivers > accept him openly? Oh man, I just thought of Damon Hill. mmm. Won't > go there. Didn't the son of Jackie Stewart(Paul) and Jack Brabham > race as well? Were they also punted out of Formula One? Can't > recall. Mmm.

ahhhhh.. I thought of this one too. Mario is one of America's most well known and respected drivers. But I think in F1 circles, even tho he is a World Champion, he is not held with such high esteem. His championship was tarnished by the death of his teammate, Ronnie Peterson, who many believe was under team orders NOT to pass Mario. I just don't think the Andretti name is revered as much as Villenueve(I've most likely botched the spelling of that each post...someday I must learn the proper spelling) in F1 circles. Plus Mikey had a very ferocious driving style, much like Schumi. In CART, the mere appearance of that white-nosed lola in another driver's mirrors was enough to get them to move over and let the guy by. But in F1, I think he was expecting those drivers to make way as well...of course that didn't happen...at least not with Karl Wedlinger. > > Michael was slower than Ayrton Senna, full-stop. Maclaren didn't have > their best car that year and the difference betwen Senna and Michael > was probably the factor that led to Michael not being competitive. As > others have said. It can't be easy to be a team-mate of a Senna, > Schumacher, Lauda or even Prost.agreed. > > Sorry Dave, I can't say I agree with you. Maybe we should compare > notes later in the season. strip away all my ramblings, all my Xfileishness(new word!) and we may still come to different conclusions... > > In the case of Zanardi ...*snip* I miss the donuts.. :) > > I've calmed down now and I feel better.glad I could help! :) > > Glad I could express my opinion, feel free to crititise it. I don't > mind. > > regards, > ian dave(thanks for a thoughtful well written reply)henrie

In article <HUQy6.676109$[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes <snip> > > His stock is soaring, yes but he just got lapped by a guy who finished >...what??? >7th in the CART series last year? (I'm guessing I don't know....) >> Guessing? Surely not. Up until now I had thought you were basing everything you had stated on concrete facts. :) Not sure exactly where JPM finished last year, so who am I to speak, but from what I saw of CART - which ain't much here in the UK - a lot of this was down to many more mechanical problems than in the previous year. If he had had the reliability of the previous year then no doubt he would have been in with a chance of winning the championship - you do know he won the CART championship first time out - once again. This guy is talented of which I'm sure JV is patently aware. Being a racing driver I doubt JV's knowledge of motor racing is blinkered to just that of F1 and he knew about JPM's pedigree more than you appear to. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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> In article <HUQy6.676109$[email hidden]>, Dave > Henrie <[email hidden]> writes > > <snip> > > > > His stock is soaring, yes but he just got lapped by a guy who finished > >...what??? > >7th in the CART series last year? (I'm guessing I don't know....) > >> > > Guessing? Surely not. Up until now I had thought you were basing > everything you had stated on concrete facts. :)

C'mon, you know me...I'd never confuse an issue by using FACTS! I was just too lazy to dig up last year's standings...Yes JPM had reliability problems with his team's switch from Honda to Toyota. He did manage to win in CART and he did manage to win an event that USED to be the most famous motor race in the world. Here are the results from last year...of note....JPM finished just ahead of the 2001(predicition!!!dingdingding!) champion... rank, name, total points, road pts., oval pts. 1 Gil de Ferran 168 99 69 2 Adrian Fernandez 158 89 69 3 Roberto Moreno 147 61 86 4 Kenny Brack (R) 135 81 54 5 Paul Tracy 134 88 46 6 Jimmy Vasser 131 86 45 7 Helio Castroneves 129 110 19 8 Michael Andretti 127 50 77 9 Juan Montoya 126 35 91 10 Cristiano da Matta 112 55 57

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> > Not sure exactly where JPM finished last year, so who am I to speak, but > from what I saw of CART - which ain't much here in the UK - a lot of > this was down to many more mechanical problems than in the previous > year. If he had had the reliability of the previous year then no doubt > he would have been in with a chance of winning the championship - you do > know he won the CART championship first time out - once again. > > This guy is talented of which I'm sure JV is patently aware. Being a > racing driver I doubt JV's knowledge of motor racing is blinkered to > just that of F1 and he knew about JPM's pedigree more than you appear > to.

I'm well aware of JPM's background...well at least as it concerns the US...I did manage to see maybe 10 minutes of F3k highlights during the season he won...about the same for Nick Heidlfield the next year...over here in the States...we JUST can't get good coverage of too many series, and I can't afford Autosport Magazine. So it's even worse than I thought...a 9th place Champ car driver LAPS poor Jos...what other reason do we need ??? Actually if you want facts...we would need to see the practice sessions AND qualifying to know if JOS was ever behind either Williams at all on the straight...For sure the Williams was a MUCH faster car on the main straight and that would logically mean both Williams drivers would have to brake sooner than other drivers. Plus...JPM most likely got a tow from the Arrows BEFORE Jos pulled over and he was going that much faster. So Montoya...that scrappy 9th place former Champ car driver...:) , would actually have had to brake much sooner to slow down for the first turn. Given that..JOS should never have tucked in so tight...he was well clear of the other car he was racing for posisiton and in no real danger of losing the spot... I'll turn off all my X Files reasoning and call it Brain Fade. dave henrie

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> -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.

In article <VIuz6.684158$[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes >. > I'll turn off all my X Files reasoning and call it Brain Fade. >dave henrie > What? You're actually going to admit you may be wrong? Surely after all the time and effort that you have put into this I would have thought you could have at least done a DGF and stuck to your guns no matter how ludicrous it now all appears. ;-) -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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> >. > > I'll turn off all my X Files reasoning and call it Brain Fade. > >dave henrie > > > > What? You're actually going to admit you may be wrong? Surely after > all the time and effort that you have put into this I would have thought > you could have at least done a DGF and stuck to your guns no matter how > ludicrous it now all appears. ;-)

Nono...didn't admit I was wrong...that wouldn't be prudent...just attacked in a different direction. :) Jos was still at fault....just didn't use all my powers of conspiracy to back it up....;) dave henrie

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> -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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>> >. >> > I'll turn off all my X Files reasoning and call it Brain Fade. >> >dave henrie >> > >> >> What? You're actually going to admit you may be wrong? Surely after >> all the time and effort that you have put into this I would have thought >> you could have at least done a DGF and stuck to your guns no matter how >> ludicrous it now all appears. ;-) > Nono...didn't admit I was wrong...that wouldn't be prudent...just attacked >in a >different direction. :) Jos was still at fault....just didn't use all my >powers of >conspiracy to back it up....;) >dave henrie

Yeah, but it was a good attempt though. You 'almost' had me convinced. If only you hadn't made that Montoya CART 7th slip. :) -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.