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32 posts by 17 people · 18 Aug 2005 02:07 UTC - 22 Aug 2005 08:59 UTC

GT Legends demo causes hard reboots on some PCs

Several users reported the GT Legends demo causing instant hard reboots with driver-related stop errors. StarForce was suspected, but Tony Rickard found that disabling Avast anti-virus fixed it, and others confirmed this. The thread drifted into a dispute about top-posting.

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Sting32 18 Aug 2005 02:07 UTC#19121
Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP Pro's error reporting tool Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so much, I did install GTR demo, it ran fine. Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings...
Sting32 18 Aug 2005 02:25 UTC↳ reply to Sting32#19122
Updated drivers, still no joy, crash (hard reset as if you pressed the button) or unplugged from wall... NICE!!!! Sting32 wrote:
Quoted text (13 lines)> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does > not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long > ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen > with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP > Pro's error reporting tool > Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones > that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might > be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell > me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so much, I > did install GTR demo, it ran fine. > > Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new > drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings...
same problem here. random reboots. game is nice though "Sting32" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ckSMe.1839$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (22 lines)> Updated drivers, still no joy, crash (hard reset as if you pressed the > button) or unplugged from wall... > > NICE!!!! > > > Sting32 wrote: >> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does >> not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long >> ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen >> with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP >> Pro's error reporting tool >> Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones >> that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might >> be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell >> me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so much, I >> did install GTR demo, it ran fine. >> >> Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new >> drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings... > >
I dont get to see jack... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293078 STOP 0x000000EA THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER STOP: 0x100000EA THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER_M tried all slider positions, got newest driver, I guess the 6600gt is a POS gfx card? Doug Hook wrote:
Quoted text (25 lines)> same problem here. random reboots. game is nice though > > "Sting32" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ckSMe.1839$[email hidden]... >> Updated drivers, still no joy, crash (hard reset as if you pressed >> the button) or unplugged from wall... >> >> NICE!!!! >> >> >> Sting32 wrote: >>> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does >>> not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long >>> ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen >>> with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP >>> Pro's error reporting tool >>> Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones >>> that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might >>> be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just >>> tell me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so >>> much, I did install GTR demo, it ran fine. >>> >>> Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new >>> drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same >>> settings...
Same here. Installed and uninstalled twice, including Starforce,and it reboots as soon as I try to launch. Also varied settings in graphics config. GTR still works fine. "Sting32" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ckSMe.1839$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (22 lines)> Updated drivers, still no joy, crash (hard reset as if you pressed the > button) or unplugged from wall... > > NICE!!!! > > > Sting32 wrote: >> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does >> not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long >> ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen >> with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP >> Pro's error reporting tool >> Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones >> that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might >> be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell >> me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so much, I >> did install GTR demo, it ran fine. >> >> Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new >> drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings... > >
"Tanstaafl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dtTMe.84948$[email hidden]... > Same here. Installed and uninstalled twice, including Starforce,and it > reboots as soon as I try to launch. Also varied settings in graphics > config. GTR still works fine. > There is a program that completely uninstalls starforce drivers, if that's what you have to end up doing. I'm not sure what that will do to GTR. My guess is you'll have to reinsert the disk and it will reinstall the drivers. You might try that. Where this utility is, I don't know. But I know it exists. Whatever the case, your system's video drivers probably need to be flushed out, also. There are tools that get rid of all vestiges of old drivers. Those are the first two things I would do, if you want to run the demo. Alanb
Tanstaafl wrote: > Same here. Installed and uninstalled twice, including Starforce,and it > reboots as soon as I try to launch. Also varied settings in graphics > config. GTR still works fine. Avast was causing the problem for me. Disabling it worked straight away. Never had the same problem with GTR though. Tony
Wait till the game is released without starforce then download it. Its almost as if that's what the developers want you to do. Steve "Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense" Sting32 wrote:
Quoted text (16 lines)> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does not > whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long ago removed > cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen with a 'device driver > but we're not sure which one or why" from XP Pro's error reporting tool > > Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones that came > with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might be? or is the > Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell me it didn't want to > install or run if my app offended so much, I did install GTR demo, it ran > fine. > > Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new drivers > liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings... > > >
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:30:23 -0400, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (14 lines)>There is a program that completely uninstalls starforce drivers, if that's >what you have to end up doing. I'm not sure what that will do to GTR. My >guess is you'll have to reinsert the disk and it will reinstall the drivers. > >You might try that. Where this utility is, I don't know. But I know it >exists. > >Whatever the case, your system's video drivers probably need to be flushed >out, also. There are tools that get rid of all vestiges of old drivers. > >Those are the first two things I would do, if you want to run the demo. > > >Alanb
Read the demo readme, it tells you what file to run to remove Starforce.
Tony, tell me more what is it, howd you get rid of it/disable it? Tony Rickard enlightened us with:
Quoted text (9 lines)> Tanstaafl wrote: >> Same here. Installed and uninstalled twice, including Starforce,and >> it reboots as soon as I try to launch. Also varied settings in >> graphics config. GTR still works fine. > > Avast was causing the problem for me. Disabling it worked straight > away. Never had the same problem with GTR though. > > Tony
Plowboy 18 Aug 2005 17:35 UTC↳ reply to Sting32#19068
Is there any help or support site anywhere (I know itis a demo...) with others overcoming this? dang Sting32 enlightened us with:
Quoted text (13 lines)> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does > not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long > ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen > with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP > Pro's error reporting tool > Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones > that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might > be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell > me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so much, I > did install GTR demo, it ran fine. > > Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new > drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings...
Plowboy wrote: >>Avast was causing the problem for me. Disabling it worked straight >>away. Never had the same problem with GTR though. > Tony, > tell me more what is it, howd you get rid of it/disable it? Avast Anti Virus. Disabled by right clicking on the Avast icon in the system tray and selecting stop on-access protection.
Damn, <g> thought it was something in the game or ??? Tony Rickard enlightened us with:
Quoted text (10 lines)> Plowboy wrote: > >>> Avast was causing the problem for me. Disabling it worked straight >>> away. Never had the same problem with GTR though. > >> Tony, >> tell me more what is it, howd you get rid of it/disable it? > > Avast Anti Virus. Disabled by right clicking on the Avast icon in the > system tray and selecting stop on-access protection.
Ðeon 18 Aug 2005 20:42 UTC↳ reply to Plowboy#19073
Not exactly helping you but anyway - running 6600GT (ASUS SLI) with 7.1.8.4 driver. GTL demo w/o probs, GTR also still OK. XP Pro SP2, no other funnies installed (Daemon, etc.) �eon Plowboy wrote:
Quoted text (16 lines)> Is there any help or support site anywhere (I know itis a demo...) > with others overcoming this? dang > Sting32 enlightened us with: >> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does >> not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long >> ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen >> with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP >> Pro's error reporting tool >> Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones >> that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might >> be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell >> me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so much, I >> did install GTR demo, it ran fine. >> >> Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new >> drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings...
Deon 18 Aug 2005 20:42 UTC#532670
Not exactly helping you but anyway - running 6600GT (ASUS SLI) with 7.1.8.4 driver. GTL demo w/o probs, GTR also still OK. XP Pro SP2, no other funnies installed (Daemon, etc.) Deon
Quoted text (16 lines)> Is there any help or support site anywhere (I know itis a demo...) > with others overcoming this? dang > Sting32 enlightened us with: >> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does >> not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long >> ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen >> with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP >> Pro's error reporting tool >> Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones >> that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might >> be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell >> me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so much, I >> did install GTR demo, it ran fine. >> Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new >> drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings...
"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (23 lines)> > "Tanstaafl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dtTMe.84948$[email hidden]... >> Same here. Installed and uninstalled twice, including Starforce,and it >> reboots as soon as I try to launch. Also varied settings in graphics >> config. GTR still works fine. >> > > There is a program that completely uninstalls starforce drivers, if that's > what you have to end up doing. I'm not sure what that will do to GTR. My > guess is you'll have to reinsert the disk and it will reinstall the > drivers. > > You might try that. Where this utility is, I don't know. But I know it > exists. > > Whatever the case, your system's video drivers probably need to be flushed > out, also. There are tools that get rid of all vestiges of old drivers. > > Those are the first two things I would do, if you want to run the demo. > > > Alanb
Yes I used Starforce cleaner when uninstalling the demo. Didn't help.
Plowboy 19 Aug 2005 13:26 UTC↳ reply to Ðeon#18899
Mines an xfx AGP version... I have just about had it, with the damn thing, wish I never got rid of the 4600... but it does look a little better in some stuff... �eon enlightened us with:
Quoted text (24 lines)> Not exactly helping you but anyway - running 6600GT (ASUS SLI) with > 7.1.8.4 driver. GTL demo w/o probs, GTR also still OK. XP Pro SP2, > no other funnies installed (Daemon, etc.) > > �eon > > Plowboy wrote: >> Is there any help or support site anywhere (I know itis a demo...) >> with others overcoming this? dang >> Sting32 enlightened us with: >>> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does >>> not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long >>> ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen >>> with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP >>> Pro's error reporting tool >>> Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones >>> that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might >>> be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just >>> tell me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so >>> much, I did install GTR demo, it ran fine. >>> >>> Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new >>> drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same >>> settings...
I am running an Athlon 64 with a nForce4 m/b, an Ati x850xt pci-e and an NEC DVD-+RW. I own 4 Starforce games and haven't noticed the slightest issue with any of them. My old AthlonXP 3200+ and GF4 Ti4600 doesn't have any problems either. I have had Daemon Tools and Alcohol 120% (several versions) installed and neither have caused any problems either. Is there any hardware in particular that doesn't like Starforce? Is it mainly to do with the brand of dvd-rom?
Sting32 wrote:
Quoted text (14 lines)> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does not > whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long ago removed > cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen with a 'device driver > but we're not sure which one or why" from XP Pro's error reporting tool > > Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones that came > with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might be? or is the > Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell me it didn't want to > install or run if my app offended so much, I did install GTR demo, it ran > fine. > > Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new drivers > liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings... >
Reboots on start of game,shut down avast and it worked,however no brake with TSW wheel so after all the hassles I deleted the demo.
Sting32 wrote:
Quoted text (14 lines)> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does not > whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long ago removed > cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen with a 'device driver > but we're not sure which one or why" from XP Pro's error reporting tool > > Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones that came > with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might be? or is the > Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell me it didn't want to > install or run if my app offended so much, I did install GTR demo, it ran > fine. > > Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new drivers > liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings... >
Reboots on start of game,shut down avast and it worked,however no brake with TSW wheel so after all the hassles I deleted the demo.
nospam 21 Aug 2005 12:35 UTC↳ reply to Sting32#18812
Sting32 wrote:
Quoted text (14 lines)> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does not > whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long ago removed > cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen with a 'device driver > but we're not sure which one or why" from XP Pro's error reporting tool > > Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones that came > with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might be? or is the > Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell me it didn't want to > install or run if my app offended so much, I did install GTR demo, it ran > fine. > > Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new drivers > liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings... >
Reboots on start of game,shut down avast and it worked,however no brake with TSW wheel so after all the hassles I deleted the demo.
Sting32 wrote:
Quoted text (14 lines)> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does not > whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long ago removed > cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen with a 'device driver > but we're not sure which one or why" from XP Pro's error reporting tool > > Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones that came > with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might be? or is the > Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell me it didn't want to > install or run if my app offended so much, I did install GTR demo, it ran > fine. > > Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new drivers > liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings... >
Reboots on start of game,shut down avast and it worked,however no brake with TSW wheel so after all the hassles I deleted the demo.
jwilson54 wrote: > Reboots on start of game,shut down avast and it worked,however no brake > with TSW wheel so after all the hassles I deleted the demo. Having got that far it would be worth sorting out the brake issue. Have you used it with other ISI sims before? I would see no reson for this to be different. Seems your newsreader is giving you hassles too...
Tony Rickard wrote:
Quoted text (11 lines)> jwilson54 wrote: > >> Reboots on start of game,shut down avast and it worked,however no >> brake with TSW wheel so after all the hassles I deleted the demo. > > > Having got that far it would be worth sorting out the brake issue. Have > you used it with other ISI sims before? I would see no reson for this to > be different. > > Seems your newsreader is giving you hassles too...
yes to all lol, tsw works great with gtr not sure whats going on
Considering how well you post to the usenet Id guess your PC is the real issue, but go ahead and blame Simbin. Everyone else does. Mitch "jwilson54" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (18 lines)> Sting32 wrote: >> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does not >> whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long ago >> removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen with a >> 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP Pro's error >> reporting tool >> >> Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones that >> came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might be? or is >> the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just tell me it didn't >> want to install or run if my app offended so much, I did install GTR >> demo, it ran fine. >> >> Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new >> drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same settings... >> > Reboots on start of game,shut down avast and it worked,however no brake > with TSW wheel so after all the hassles I deleted the demo.
"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:fI1Oe.14$[email hidden]: > Considering how well you post to the usenet Id guess your PC is the > real issue, but go ahead and blame Simbin. Everyone else does. Did not ever tell you about top posting? Id doesnt usually bother me but since you are having a go at for how he posts.... And Starforce is a real issue for some people, I tried for days to get GTR working on friends computer, but just couldnt get it to run at all.
Quoted text (27 lines)> > Mitch > > "jwilson54" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Sting32 wrote: >>> Yes I have tried this treasure, it doesn't crash to desktop, it does >>> not whine about any of my apps (I did shut down Daemon toolz), long >>> ago removed cdspace. Yet we simply crash hell hard to BIOS screen >>> with a 'device driver but we're not sure which one or why" from XP >>> Pro's error reporting tool >>> >>> Last driver for gfx (geforce6600gt) that I installed was the ones >>> that came with Battle Field 2 demo, is that what the problem might >>> be? or is the Star-farce? seems a pity that they couldn't just >>> tell me it didn't want to install or run if my app offended so much, >>> I did install GTR demo, it ran fine. >>> >>> Ill try gfx update, hope I can play other games after this, the new >>> drivers liked to kill NR03 IMHO from 96 fps to 40 at same >>> settings... >>> >> Reboots on start of game,shut down avast and it worked,however no >> brake with TSW wheel so after all the hassles I deleted the demo. > > >
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I proudly top-post and will forever as I look down at your pitiful nonsensical ramblings. Bottom posting is an out-dated relic left over from the days of the BBS. Just look how you posted your reply.. Uh, what, you cant even find it in the mess becasuse you dont have the sense to snip... <rollseyes> So you are unable to get GTR to run on his rig and you know SF is the real issue, and you know this how? Im not surprised you couldnt get it to run coreectly. It isnt a playstation so youre going to be in real trouble for a long long time. But go ahead and blame someone else for your lack of PC skillz, we understand your type... Mitch "FooAtari" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (14 lines)> "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:fI1Oe.14$[email hidden]: > >> Considering how well you post to the usenet Id guess your PC is the >> real issue, but go ahead and blame Simbin. Everyone else does. > > Did not ever tell you about top posting? Id doesnt usually bother me but > since you are having a go at for how he posts.... > > > And Starforce is a real issue for some people, I tried for days to get > GTR working on friends computer, but just couldnt get it to run at all. > >
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"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:9r2Oe.19$[email hidden]:
Quoted text (17 lines)> I proudly top-post and will forever as I look down at your pitiful > nonsensical ramblings. > > Bottom posting is an out-dated relic left over from the days of the > BBS. > > Just look how you posted your reply.. Uh, what, you cant even find it > in the mess becasuse you dont have the sense to snip... <rollseyes> > > So you are unable to get GTR to run on his rig and you know SF is the > real issue, and you know this how? > > Im not surprised you couldnt get it to run coreectly. It isnt a > playstation so youre going to be in real trouble for a long long time. > But go ahead and blame someone else for your lack of PC skillz, we > understand your type... >
I noticed I missed out a few words there, sorry. SF is the issue because that is what was causing his PC to not be able to read the disc (the demo worked fine by the way), some optical drives have big incompatibility issues. I tried many work arounds, and I'm sure their were more some of which may have worked. But he lost patience and I wasn't going to bust my balls trying for days on end. I work on an IT Helpdesk for a living for Aberdeenshire Council. I also have a HND in Computing. I Have been messing about with computers since I was 12, I have plenty PC skills (sorry skillz) thanks. Please dont make assumptions about me when you dont even know me. Top posting is generally considered to be poor etiqutte on Usenet even now. And their is no need to get rude about things. -- Transplants save lives! - Have you signed up to be a donor? http://www.uktransplant.org.uk Do something amazing today. Save a life, give blood. http://www.blood.co.uk/ My games collection and Live games: http://www.fooatari.plus.com/.
Just to keep in the spirit of the current thread, 1) I top post because it's easier to read and am not concerned about perceived poor etiquette on Usenet. If I don't understand the message, I scroll down till I have the context. With bottom posting, I scroll through a hundred lines of previous comments just to read a "Me too" and have to scroll up to find out what the comment was about. 2) I also am quite proficient at building and configuring computers and games to run on them. Everything I have, from GTR to Battlefield 2 runs with no problems. The GTL demo crashes as soon as I try to launch it. Is it the Starforce drivers? I don't know. As I said, GTR runs fine. Will I disable or uninstall virus software (or any application for that matter) to get a demo to run? Absolutely not. If a simple fix or a new demo isn't available by the time GTL is released, I won't buy GTL. I'm sure someone will say it's my loss. Perhaps so, but I won't lose the $50 buying a game whose demo won't even run. 3) Rant mode off. oAtari" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (49 lines)> "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:9r2Oe.19$[email hidden]: > >> I proudly top-post and will forever as I look down at your pitiful >> nonsensical ramblings. >> >> Bottom posting is an out-dated relic left over from the days of the >> BBS. >> >> Just look how you posted your reply.. Uh, what, you cant even find it >> in the mess becasuse you dont have the sense to snip... <rollseyes> >> >> So you are unable to get GTR to run on his rig and you know SF is the >> real issue, and you know this how? >> >> Im not surprised you couldnt get it to run coreectly. It isnt a >> playstation so youre going to be in real trouble for a long long time. >> But go ahead and blame someone else for your lack of PC skillz, we >> understand your type... >> > > I noticed I missed out a few words there, sorry. > > SF is the issue because that is what was causing his PC to not be able to > read the disc (the demo worked fine by the way), some optical drives have > big incompatibility issues. I tried many work arounds, and I'm sure > their were more some of which may have worked. But he lost patience and > I wasn't going to bust my balls trying for days on end. > > I work on an IT Helpdesk for a living for Aberdeenshire Council. I also > have a HND in Computing. I Have been messing about with computers since I > was 12, I have plenty PC skills (sorry skillz) thanks. Please dont make > assumptions about me when you dont even know me. > > Top posting is generally considered to be poor etiqutte on Usenet even > now. > > And their is no need to get rude about things. > > > -- > Transplants save lives! - Have you signed up to be a donor? > http://www.uktransplant.org.uk > > Do something amazing today. Save a life, give blood. > http://www.blood.co.uk/ > > My games collection and Live games: > http://www.fooatari.plus.com/.
Tanstaafl wrote:
Quoted text (7 lines)> Just to keep in the spirit of the current thread, > > 1) I top post because it's easier to read and am not concerned about > perceived poor etiquette on Usenet. If I don't understand the message, I > scroll down till I have the context. With bottom posting, I scroll through > a hundred lines of previous comments just to read a "Me too" and have to > scroll up to find out what the comment was about.
Thats fair enough. Like I said it isnt really an issue for me, I just thought it was a bit rich of Mitch to have a go at someone else. But I'll just leave it that, it's a bit of a silly argument really.
Quoted text (9 lines)> 2) I also am quite proficient at building and configuring computers and > games to run on them. Everything I have, from GTR to Battlefield 2 runs > with no problems. The GTL demo crashes as soon as I try to launch it. Is > it the Starforce drivers? I don't know. As I said, GTR runs fine. Will I > disable or uninstall virus software (or any application for that matter) to > get a demo to run? Absolutely not. If a simple fix or a new demo isn't > available by the time GTL is released, I won't buy GTL. I'm sure someone > will say it's my loss. Perhaps so, but I won't lose the $50 buying a game > whose demo won't even run.
I also wouldn't recommeded to anyone to disable any security software to get something else to run. I havent really bought any games for my PC for quite a while. For one reason my laptop isnt up to running anything more graphically advanced than Half Life and I havent been able to afford a new PC while being a student. I have been looking at getting one now (especially after seeing GT Legends!), but really should pay off the overdraft first! And secondly it can be so much hassle at times and I have more than enough games to get through on my several consoles lying around the flat (much to my girlfriends annoyance :-) ) that I havent been in a hurry to get back into it.

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