GTL corvette - sounds glorious!

I was expecting great sounds from GTL after experiencing GTR, but the sound of the Corvette just takes the cake! I have a reasonable PC sound setup, (Cambridge Soundworks 5.1), but with the corvette, the whole room just shakes as if I have a kilowatt subwoofer under my desk! The V8 sound is just glorious! The only thing better I could imagine experiencing sound wise is a Ferrari 308 with 6 pack weber carbs on full song...

Oh yea! Lots of little details that just make me smile everytime I run this sim demo. On the grid during the start did you notice the exhaust of the cars in front of you? How about the damaged headlights (and corresponding loss of view distance)? The day/night transition is by far the best ever in a racing sim. Simply awesome. Blows EVERYTHING to date completely away by a very large margin. (And dont even think of mentioning GPL in the same sentence with this masterpiece) Mitch "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iKMNe.92970$[email hidden]...

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>I was expecting great sounds from GTL after experiencing GTR, but the sound >of the Corvette just takes the cake! I have a reasonable PC sound setup, >(Cambridge Soundworks 5.1), but with the corvette, the whole room just >shakes as if I have a kilowatt subwoofer under my desk! The V8 sound is >just glorious! > > The only thing better I could imagine experiencing sound wise is a Ferrari > 308 with 6 pack weber carbs on full song... > > > >

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:00:25 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Oh yea! > >Lots of little details that just make me smile everytime I run this sim >demo. On the grid during the start did you notice the exhaust of the cars >in front of you? How about the damaged headlights (and corresponding loss >of view distance)? The day/night transition is by far the best ever in a >racing sim. Simply awesome. Blows EVERYTHING to date completely away by a >very large margin. (And dont even think of mentioning GPL in the same >sentence with this masterpiece)

Hah! GPL doesn't give me controller lag....and so far I never liked the MP code of ANY ISI based sim... It's a great MOD...but that's all, in my opinion. Cheers! Remco

But it's no Grand Prix Legends. :) Bruce. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JRMNe.875$[email hidden]... > (And dont even think of mentioning GPL in the same sentence with thismasterpiece)

But it's no Grand Prix Legends. :) Bruce. masterpiece)

Controller lag? Hmmm. F1C had a bit of controller lag but GTR and GTL sure dont (at least not on my rig) Maybe you need to tweak your wheel or you have other issues. Poor frame rates cause a similar feeling to controller lag. For me anything less than 50fps is un-acceptable in either GTR or GTL (any sim for that matter) GTR and GTL do take much more RIG to run than GPL does, obviously ;) My first immpression was similar to yours but after running it non-stop for many hours I can say its not nearly as similar to GTR as I first thought it to be. Multi in any ISI sim to date (not counting rfactor mp test) requires a very good connection and drivers need to be much more local to each other than the Papy sims. If you can meet this standard the MP is great on Racemore. If not you get a sub-par experience. Arent you European? Have you raced on a server with only local Euro's on all using broadband connections? The one thing I do dislike about GTL is driving old cars on moderrn tracks. It just dont work for the immersion factor. Mitch "Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in >

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> GPL doesn't give me controller lag....and so far I never liked the MP > code of ANY ISI based sim... > > It's a great MOD...but that's all, in my opinion. > > > Cheers! > > Remco > >

Thank god! LOL. "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > But it's no Grand Prix Legends. :) > > Bruce.

"Mitch_A" wrote... > Controller lag? > > Hmmm. F1C had a bit of controller lag but GTR and GTL sure dont (at least > not on my rig) Never experienced that either. > Maybe you need to tweak your wheel or you have other issues. > Poor frame rates cause a similar feeling to controller lag. For me > anything less than 50fps is un-acceptable in either GTR or GTL > (any sim for that matter) I think one can get away with sort of 40-ish, but less than 36 is really pushing it, true. > GTR and GTL do take much more RIG to run than GPL does, obviously ;) They're not as far ahead of the curve as GPL was when it was realised, fortunately, and even now, with some of the add-ons things get a bit tight for the under 2Ghz owners. > <snip> Multi in any ISI sim to date (not counting rfactor mp test) > requires > a very good connection and drivers need to be much more local to > each other than the Papy sims. Exactly... and even so. > If you can meet this standard the MP is great on Racemore. If not you get > a sub-par experience. Arent you European? He is. > Have you raced on a server with only local Euro's on all using > broadband connections? Can't speak for Remco, but I have on several occasions and it was simply never up to Papyrus standard. Both the Flemish and the Belgian league use a server located in Amsterdam, The Netherlands, to which we all have pings of under 40ms (everyone's on broadband). With NR2003 and GPL that means "LAN quality" racing. I mean: I overtook someone to the outside of Sudkehre, interlocking wheels twice with the '67 cars, the other day and nothing untowards happened. Also note LFS is even better under similar circumstances. GTR is ok "one-on-one" (and even so the other car doesn't appear "attached" to the road), but get a gaggle of cars together and it falls apart. Which, it appears, isn't even due to online latency or bandwith restrictions. Last weekend the Belgian simracing drivers association had it's annual LAN, where we tried GTR "full on", as it were. The same problems cropped up, regardless of the prevailing "perfect" connection conditions. E.g. a train of 5 cars went up Eau Rouge nose to tail, only to have the 2nd car in line appear to stop dead to the other players for about 3/10ths of a second and, yes, at the time, we didn't see the funny side of it either. :-( Don't get me wrong, I have been a big fan of the "ISI games" since F1 2k1 (actually, since SBK2000). I think the driving experience is 2nd to none (again with the GTL demo). But the multiplayer, IMO, hasn't significally improved accross the various incarnations (rFactor included... eliminating join pauses does not a beter online game make). > The one thing I do dislike about GTL is driving old cars on moderrn > tracks. It just dont work for the immersion factor. Heh... it sure works for the people driving in the historic races and the spectators(<-- me included). These crews, largely made up out of enthusiasts, travel the lenght and breath of Europe on weekends to race and have to get back to their daytime jobs as soon as they finish their race. Even just spectating the Spa 6 hour weekend knocks me for six, living a mere 160km away... think about what it does to the poor Swedish chap with his Mustang 350GT, having to cover over 2500km to get there and back. The cars in the demo drive exactly as I expected them to from watching the historic meetings I've attended. Can't wait to get my hands on the full version. Good job we don't have to use emulators to get GPL and NR2003 multiplayer going yet, though... Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" wrote ... > <snip> > They're not as far ahead of the curve as GPL was when it > was realised ... released. <--- does anyone but me hate this autocorrect stuff that comes with MS Office with a vengance as well? Jan. =---

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o_NNe.2935$[email hidden]...

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> Controller lag? > > Hmmm. F1C had a bit of controller lag but GTR and GTL sure dont (at least > not on my rig) > > Maybe you need to tweak your wheel or you have other issues. Poor frame > rates cause a similar feeling to controller lag. For me anything less

than > 50fps is un-acceptable in either GTR or GTL (any sim for that matter) > > GTR and GTL do take much more RIG to run than GPL does, obviously ;) > > My first immpression was similar to yours but after running it non-stopfor > many hours I can say its not nearly as similar to GTR as I first thoughtit > to be. > > Multi in any ISI sim to date (not counting rfactor mp test) requires avery > good connection and drivers need to be much more local to each other than > the Papy sims. If you can meet this standard the MP is great on Racemore. > If not you get a sub-par experience. Arent you European? Have you racedon > a server with only local Euro's on all using broadband connections? > > The one thing I do dislike about GTL is driving old cars on moderrntracks. > It just dont work for the immersion factor. > > Mitch No controller lag here either, though I do get considerably less than 50FPS on my old XP2400/Ti 4400. Still runs 12X9X32 w/2XAA better than GTR for me though, and praise gMotor2, it doesn't freaking stutter all the time. Never could completely sort that out with the GTR demo and it kept me from buying it. Nice to know the guys at ISI finally sorted that out. GTL doesn't have the low-speed grip issues of older ISI stuff, (GTR in particular) either. In fact, after driving it back to back today with GPL, NR2003, GTR, RBR and LFSS2, I'd say this may be the best tire model "feel" I've yet encountered in a sim. Seems a bit grippier than I'd expect of vintage tires, but on the limit the Elan feels more like my old MR2 than anything PC-based I've tried. Yeah, there are still a few kludgy bits in there from the past, like the feeble replays and crappy crash physics, but this one's a keeper imho. I hope the multi is improved, for sure. Who knows; the scene might even be a bit more civilized due to the historic nature of the game. l think that was a part of why VROC was such a nice place to race back in the day. I even find myself racing the AI cleaner just because I know that's how they do it for real, the chrome bumper mentality being thankfully absent in historic racing. You stick your nose under someone, but back off thinking "damn, that Jag's too nice to just shove him out of the way." (plus he's probably a lawyer and might send you the bill!) So let's hope some of that rubs off on the multi scene. But hell, the dynamics are good enough that I'd probably buy it even without multi. The AI's quite good and fun to race with (once you tweak them so they're not dog-slow). And hey; they won't cuss you out or vote to ban you either! Upgrade-worthy. I've been waiting for a good reason, and this is the first non-Papy sim that gave me one. 7800, here I come. Looking forward to flogging that Pantera of my neighbor's that I wanted to steal when I was a kid... ;-) SB

You suckers really have short memories.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 00:53:24 GMT, Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> "Jan Verschueren" wrote ... >> <snip> >> They're not as far ahead of the curve as GPL was when it >> was realised > > ... released. <--- does anyone but me hate this autocorrect stuff that comes > with MS Office with a vengance as well? >

you are posting from MS Office??? Good grief, what has Usenet come to? ;-) All the best, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

> I was expecting great sounds from GTL after experiencing GTR, but the sound of the Corvette just takes the cake! For those that haven't tried it yet, I made a video. The vette also does some cool 2nd gear drifts. http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/gtlvt.wmv

Steve Blankenship wrote: > Seems a bit grippier than I'd expect of > vintage tires, Yeah, like they use vintage tyres.

Mitch_A wrote: > The one thing I do dislike about GTL is driving old cars on moderrn tracks. > It just dont work for the immersion factor. Curiously I find it more immersing racing in a current series than somehow being transported back in time. I know it is all fantasy but with GPL I had an odd feeling "racing" against Jim Clark et al. Though I have no issue with a WW2 FPS - just call me strange... Tony

Tim Epstein wrote: > I was expecting great sounds from GTL after experiencing GTR, but the sound > of the Corvette just takes the cake! I have a reasonable PC sound setup, > (Cambridge Soundworks 5.1), but with the corvette, the whole room just > shakes as if I have a kilowatt subwoofer under my desk! The V8 sound is just > glorious! The Jag doesn't sound bad either. SG -- Keyboard not found -- Press F1 to continue

"whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:03XNe.15493$[email hidden]... > Steve Blankenship wrote: > > > Seems a bit grippier than I'd expect of > > vintage tires, > > Yeah, like they use vintage tyres. Uh...yeah, like the treaded, DOT-legal 5.25M-13's on the Elan or the pathetically undersized 5.50/6.00-15's of the Vette (trying to contain 550NM of torque). The 'Vette seems properly gripless, but the Elan sticks amazingly well. Guess that's what 1450lbs will do for you, even with hard compounds and period-correct aspect ratios. I believe the '76's can run slicks; that should be interesting. Lots of power and mechanical grip without much in the way of downforce. Yum...

Ya know Uwe, your MS bashing was kinda cute years ago. Now its just plain silly. No one is forcing you to use anything MS. Why do you feel the need to belittle anyone that does? Ego? There is a reason why MS has the market and it hasnt a thing to do with politics. Its about quality software, and while the open source (ponytail people) crowd believes they have a competitive product just look at the numbers. Even free, open source hasnt any market share. Whats that say? To me it says "not ready for prime time"... Mitch

Ok, Strange ;) "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in > Though I have no issue with a WW2 FPS - just call me strange... > > Tony

Ok, Strange ;) have no issue with a WW2 FPS - just call me strange...

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote ... > There is a reason why MS has the market and it hasnt a thing to do with > politics. Its about quality software, and while the open source (ponytail > people) crowd believes they have a competitive product just look at the > numbers. Even free, open source hasnt any market share. Whats that say? > To me it says "not ready for prime time"... Mitch, with statements like "open source hasn't any market share", I'm guessing you don't work in IT?

You guessed wrong. WTH has open source market share have to do with IT... Economics maybe, not IT.. OK perhaps I worded it wrong, Ive been known to do that and more than likely it isnt the last time.. OK then. "There is a reason why MS isnt losing Market Share to the open source communtiy". Better? Sheesh, just a bit anal are we? "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Mitch, with statements like "open source hasn't any market share", I'm > guessing you don't work in IT? >

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote ... > OK perhaps I worded it wrong, Ive been known to do that and more than > likely it isnt the last time.. > > OK then. "There is a reason why MS isnt losing Market Share to the open > source communtiy". The same reason IE's userbase isn't being eroded by Firefox?

"Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Upgrade-worthy. I'd agree with that. Best compliment you can give to a sim nowadays, everything else seems to be down to personal taste ;-) Malc.

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> You guessed wrong. > > WTH has open source market share have to do with IT... Economics maybe, not > IT.. > > OK perhaps I worded it wrong, Ive been known to do that and more than likely > it isnt the last time.. > > OK then. "There is a reason why MS isnt losing Market Share to the open > source communtiy". Better? Sheesh, just a bit anal are we? > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Mitch, with statements like "open > source hasn't any market share", I'm > >>guessing you don't work in IT? >> > > >

Mitch, here's 2cents, go get yourself a clue!

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> "whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:03XNe.15493$[email hidden]... > >>Steve Blankenship wrote: >> >> >>>Seems a bit grippier than I'd expect of >>>vintage tires, >> >>Yeah, like they use vintage tyres. > > > Uh...yeah, like the treaded, DOT-legal 5.25M-13's on the Elan or the > pathetically undersized 5.50/6.00-15's of the Vette (trying to contain 550NM > of torque). The 'Vette seems properly gripless, but the Elan sticks > amazingly well. Guess that's what 1450lbs will do for you, even with hard > compounds and period-correct aspect ratios. > > I believe the '76's can run slicks; that should be interesting. Lots of > power and mechanical grip without much in the way of downforce. Yum... > >

Do they use vintage rubber compounds?

"whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8x3Oe.140$[email hidden]...

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> Steve Blankenship wrote: > > "whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:03XNe.15493$[email hidden]... > > > >>Steve Blankenship wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Seems a bit grippier than I'd expect of > >>>vintage tires, > >> > >>Yeah, like they use vintage tyres. > > > > > > Uh...yeah, like the treaded, DOT-legal 5.25M-13's on the Elan or the > > pathetically undersized 5.50/6.00-15's of the Vette (trying to contain

550NM > > of torque). The 'Vette seems properly gripless, but the Elan sticks > > amazingly well. Guess that's what 1450lbs will do for you, even withhard

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> > compounds and period-correct aspect ratios. > > > > I believe the '76's can run slicks; that should be interesting. Lots of > > power and mechanical grip without much in the way of downforce. Yum... > > > > > Do they use vintage rubber compounds?

I think they use tires aged for years and years in some dank Belgian basement. No, that was Lance Armstrong. Wrong sport. Better compounds for sure, but there's only so much you can do with 5-6 inches of relatively hard compound, treaded DOT rubber and 70+ series sidewalls.

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> You guessed wrong. > > WTH has open source market share have to do with IT... Economics maybe, not > IT.. > > OK perhaps I worded it wrong, Ive been known to do that and more than likely > it isnt the last time.. > > OK then. "There is a reason why MS isnt losing Market Share to the open > source communtiy". Better? Sheesh, just a bit anal are we?

Mitch, all you need to do is learn English. Most people here have a hard time understanding you because you have difficulty speaking the language. That's all.

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> "whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8x3Oe.140$[email hidden]... > >>Steve Blankenship wrote: >> >>>"whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>news:03XNe.15493$[email hidden]... >>> >>> >>>>Steve Blankenship wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Seems a bit grippier than I'd expect of >>>>>vintage tires, >>>> >>>>Yeah, like they use vintage tyres. >>> >>> >>>Uh...yeah, like the treaded, DOT-legal 5.25M-13's on the Elan or the >>>pathetically undersized 5.50/6.00-15's of the Vette (trying to contain > > 550NM > >>>of torque). The 'Vette seems properly gripless, but the Elan sticks >>>amazingly well. Guess that's what 1450lbs will do for you, even with > > hard > >>>compounds and period-correct aspect ratios. >>> >>>I believe the '76's can run slicks; that should be interesting. Lots of >>>power and mechanical grip without much in the way of downforce. Yum... >>> >>> >> >>Do they use vintage rubber compounds? > > > I think they use tires aged for years and years in some dank Belgian > basement. No, that was Lance Armstrong. Wrong sport. > > Better compounds for sure, but there's only so much you can do with 5-6 > inches of relatively hard compound, treaded DOT rubber and 70+ series > sidewalls. > >

What are the tyre regulations for the series that GTL simulates?

The number of FireFox downloads went down last night while IEs went up. Just thought I'd toss that in. "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote ... > >> OK perhaps I worded it wrong, Ive been known to do that and more than >> likely it isnt the last time.. >> >> OK then. "There is a reason why MS isnt losing Market Share to the open >> source communtiy". > > The same reason IE's userbase isn't being eroded by Firefox? > >

"whooo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O26Oe.8477$[email hidden]... > What are the tyre regulations for the series that GTL simulates? http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/651580482__AppK_2005_a.pdf Sec. 6.12 on wheels, sec. 8 on tires. The Dunlop vintage series 204 is a treaded, hard compound, bias ply tire. Looking at the series site http://www.fia-historic-racing.com it appears like they were trying to do away with the Dunlop-only reg and replace it with a simple reg on external tire dimensions for each rim size, which would have to match the spec size of the original rims. But the above is a 2005 reg and the Dunlops are what are spec'ed in the game. For some fun vids on how crappy they hook up on a Corvette, check out the GT2 & GT3 vids at http://www.fia-historic-racing.com/en/archive/videos/. No wonder the Lotus kicks it's arse!

IE isnt Office. "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > The same reason IE's userbase isn't being eroded by Firefox? > >

"Uwe Sch�rkamp" wrote... >> <snip> > you are posting from MS Office??? Good grief, what has Usenet > come to? ;-) No, Outlook Express (also seriously unfashionable in usenet circles, I know)., but once Office is installed it shares the proofing tools/settings. Pretty usefull, but every once in a while a typo gets corrected by something I didn't intend. Jan. =---

My Dad has a '65 Elan S2 - it's quite a remarkable little car. The frame is a large rigid beam with fully independent front and rear suspension, the control arms are hand-welded from tubing, and it has inboard rear disc brakes to reduce unsprung weight. The body is a full fiberglass molding that fits over top of the frame. I have many fond memories of the first full rebuild he did of the car when I was a kid. Kendt Just had another cool memory (totally OT) - He's an aeronautical engineer, and couldn't get wind-tunnel time to test an idea he was working on, so he built a test rig to hold a wing section and winglet vertically in place of the passenger seat. I sat on the center console recording readings from a spring scale while he drove up and down the parkway - I think we did one run at around 80 :).

My Dad has a '65 Elan S2 - it's quite a remarkable little car. The frame is a large central rigid beam with fully independent front and rear suspension, the control arms are hand-welded from tubing, and it has inboard rear disc brakes to reduce unsprung weight. The body is a full fiberglass molding that fits over top of the frame. I have many fond memories of the first full rebuild he did of the car when I was a kid. Kendt

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote ... > IE isnt Office. True. Although I don't really have an axe to grind here (honestly), it's worth pointing out that IDC, Jupiter and Gartner estimate OpenOffice's share of the large enterprise market at 10%, while Forrester goes as far as claiming 15%. Which would indicate some erosion of MS market share. Incidentally, Forrester's figures were based on a study of 140 large North American companies, rather than OpenOffice download stats.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:05:02 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: > Ya know Uwe, your MS bashing was kinda cute years ago. Now its just plain > silly. you obviously missed a smiley. uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61