N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

Is anyone working on one of these and if so, what's the status?? When Papy left it out of an earlier release (N99 maybe?), it seems like a fan written patch appeared almost immeadiately. I'm surprised it has taken so long with N4. I'm still shocked that it wasn't included in the first place given the outcry last time. Papy's assertion that being able to save a race in progress isn't realistic is a crock. Many people want to run full length races, but don't always have the time to do a 4 or 5 hours session, not to mention power failures or wives! :] Sven Bjorn Bientiensen

On Tue, 15 May 2001 14:37:33 -0400, Sven Bjorn Bientiensen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Is anyone working on one of these and if so, what's the status?? When >Papy left it out of an earlier release (N99 maybe?), it seems like a fan >written patch appeared almost immeadiately. I'm surprised it has taken >so long with N4. > I'm still shocked that it wasn't included in the first place given the >outcry last time. Papy's assertion that being able to save a race in >progress isn't realistic is a crock. Many people want to run full length >races, but don't always have the time to do a 4 or 5 hours session, not >to mention power failures or wives! :] > >Sven Bjorn Bientiensen

I agree 100%. Papy left it out due to laziness, IMO. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

No one has to my knowledge made a save race patch in GPL, and N4 uses the same game engine...I'm sort of assuming it can't be done. I could be wrong though, I usually am... -- Colin ICQ 25485061 Fast Food Racing: http://www.gamensurf.co.uk/fastfood/ "Sven Bjorn Bientiensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Is anyone working on one of these and if so, what's the status??

According to the official N4 board the save game feature was left out do to time constraints. They basically said with the new physics model there was to much data to save. The thought that was throw around was making it a yellow flag type situation for the save game. so if say you hit 's' to save it would throw a yellow flag field would bunch up then it would save the data. then when it loaded the saved game it would start up under caution. I have no idea if they (Pappy) are doing anything with it at this time, I personally doubt that they are. Also the save game was reinstated by a Papy made ptach as far as I know. MadDAWG

MD, you could well be right about Papy writing that patch. I can't recall. I just remember someone did it and it made the game far more viable. Sven MadDAWG wrote: > > Also the save game was reinstated by a Papy made ptach as far as I know. > > MadDAWG

> > > Also the save game was reinstated by a Papy made ptach as far as I know. > > > > MadDAWG Papy released N2 without the ability to save during a race. Some time later they released a patch that added the capability--the only time and the only ones to do so AFAIK. Jerry Morelock

>"Sven Bjorn Bientiensen" <[email hidden]> wrote > Papy left it out of an earlier release (N99 maybe?), it seems like a fan > written patch appeared almost immeadiately. That never happened. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I don't recall Papy ever stating a reason for not having the save game feature in N4. I would think perhaps the complicated physics model ( 6d0f) may have something to do with it, as GPL does not have it and corrrect me if I am wrong but Heat doesn't either right? As far as patches for previous versions, N2 came out without a save race, and they ( Papy) added it in a patch not too long after the release. As far as I know, there was never a fan written patch for the save game feature. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Sven Bjorn Bientiensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Is anyone working on one of these and if so, what's the status?? When > Papy left it out of an earlier release (N99 maybe?), it seems like a fan > written patch appeared almost immeadiately. I'm surprised it has taken > so long with N4. > I'm still shocked that it wasn't included in the first place given the > outcry last time. Papy's assertion that being able to save a race in > progress isn't realistic is a crock. Many people want to run full length > races, but don't always have the time to do a 4 or 5 hours session, not > to mention power failures or wives! :] > > Sven Bjorn Bientiensen

You have got to keep telling yourself...N4 is Not the child of N3. Any feature that was in N3/N99 etc is not an automatic transfer to N4. If you are looking back, compare it to GPL rather than N3. If something was in N3 it's a maybe..if it was do-able in GPL then it could be done in N4....but if you didn't see it in GPL, don't expect it in N4 especially if it USED to be in N3... dave henrie "Sven Bjorn Bientiensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> MD, you could well be right about Papy writing that patch. I can't > recall. I just remember someone did it and it made the game far more > viable. > > Sven > > MadDAWG wrote: > > > > > Also the save game was reinstated by a Papy made ptach as far as I know. > > > > MadDAWG

Why not a save game feature that would only work when you are stopped in your pit stall?? I would be satisfied with that, but think that a 500 mile race (remember how relatively short F1 races are) with no option to save is unreasonable. Marc. "Sven Bjorn Bientiensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Is anyone working on one of these and if so, what's the status?? When > Papy left it out of an earlier release (N99 maybe?), it seems like a fan > written patch appeared almost immeadiately. I'm surprised it has taken > so long with N4. > I'm still shocked that it wasn't included in the first place given the > outcry last time. Papy's assertion that being able to save a race in > progress isn't realistic is a crock. Many people want to run full length > races, but don't always have the time to do a 4 or 5 hours session, not > to mention power failures or wives! :] > > Sven Bjorn Bientiensen

>"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote > Why not a save game feature that would only work when you are stopped in > your pit stall?? I would be satisfied with that, but think that a 500mile > race (remember how relatively short F1 races are) with no option to saveis > unreasonable. My personal opinion is that it's philosophical to the developers, not just a question of the time it takes to implement it inside the game. I take the example of Roller Coaster Tycoon (or any "sim"-type games). Everybody wants a sandbox mode, where you have a flat terrain and unlimited money so you can do anything you want. But developers never include that mode. Why? Because like a save game, it takes something out of the spirit of the game. Same goes for FPS and the in-level save games. Some choose to only save the games between levels (apparent to N4 where we save between races). You can do a long race? Do a shorter one. That's their philosophy. It takes corporate guts to do such thing, btw! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Tue, 15 May 2001 23:37:58 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I don't recall Papy ever stating a reason for not having the save game >feature in N4. I would think perhaps the complicated physics model ( 6d0f) >may have something to do with it, as GPL does not have it and corrrect me if >I am wrong but Heat doesn't either right? No, Heat doesn't either. But, both GP3 and F1RC do, so it can be done. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

On Tue, 15 May 2001 23:00:37 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >My personal opinion is that it's philosophical to the developers, not just a >question of the time it takes to implement it inside the game. I take the >example of Roller Coaster Tycoon (or any "sim"-type games). Everybody wants >a sandbox mode, where you have a flat terrain and unlimited money so you can >do anything you want. But developers never include that mode. Why? >Because like a save game, it takes something out of the spirit of the game. Lot's of those games have a sandbox mode. >Same goes for FPS and the in-level save games. Some choose to only save the >games between levels (apparent to N4 where we save between races). You can >do a long race? Do a shorter one. That's their philosophy. It takes >corporate guts to do such thing, btw! Financial folly is more like it. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

>"Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote > Lot's of those games have a sandbox mode. Well you get the point. Lot's of them have one, lot's of them don't. It's just partially the philosophy of the game, it's spirit. Some require you to reach a level to access it (that would be fun to implement in N4 LOL!) > >Same goes for FPS and the in-level save games. Some choose to only savethe > >games between levels (apparent to N4 where we save between races). Youcan > >do a long race? Do a shorter one. That's their philosophy. It takes > >corporate guts to do such thing, btw! > > Financial folly is more like it. Uh yeaaaah N4 really did not go well financially <G> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> it takes something out of the spirit of the game. So does racing a NASCAR race without pit stops. One thing that Heat did right is include an adjustable wear factor so that at least you could crank that up to keep pit strategy part of the game. MadDAWG

GP3 and F1RC are completely different games. If Heat can't do it and GPL can't do it, then N4 cant' do it. These 3 games are similar. GPL had NO save race feature and NEVER will. How long has it been out????????????? Just that little point alone makes me think that it's just not possible so N4 will probably never have it either. But of course Sierra and Papy could just come out and say that they will not make a save game patch and everyone would still whine about it. Oh wait! Sierra already did that. Vintook "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 15 May 2001 23:37:58 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I don't recall Papy ever stating a reason for not having the save game > >feature in N4. I would think perhaps the complicated physics model (6d0f) > >may have something to do with it, as GPL does not have it and corrrect meif

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> >I am wrong but Heat doesn't either right? > > No, Heat doesn't either. But, both GP3 and F1RC do, so it can be done. > > > -- > eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format > http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

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> >"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Why not a save game feature that would only work when you are stopped in > > your pit stall?? I would be satisfied with that, but think that a 500 > mile > > race (remember how relatively short F1 races are) with no option to save > is > > unreasonable. > > > My personal opinion is that it's philosophical to the developers, not just

a > question of the time it takes to implement it inside the game. I take the > example of Roller Coaster Tycoon (or any "sim"-type games). Everybodywants > a sandbox mode, where you have a flat terrain and unlimited money so youcan > do anything you want. But developers never include that mode. Why? > Because like a save game, it takes something out of the spirit of thegame. Real Winston Cup drivers have several advantages over me (in addition to skill), like their phone doesn't ring, the doorbell doesn't ring, and the wife and kids don't bother them when they are racing. These are reasons why I want a save game feature. > Same goes for FPS and the in-level save games. Some choose to only savethe > games between levels (apparent to N4 where we save between races). Youcan

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> do a long race? Do a shorter one. That's their philosophy. It takes > corporate guts to do such thing, btw! > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

It's always possible to make a savegame feature no matter what the complexity (memory dump, for example), but the question is, is it feasible? A savegame is something that needs to be incorporated almost from the start of designing a game engine, and the GPL engine never tried to do that. I don't think we'll see it and, personally, I don't really care. -Gregor Vintook wrote:

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> > GP3 and F1RC are completely different games. If Heat can't do it and GPL > can't do it, then N4 cant' do it. These 3 games are similar. GPL had NO save > race feature and NEVER will. How long has it been out????????????? > Just that little point alone makes me think that it's just not possible so > N4 will probably never have it either. But of course Sierra and Papy could > just come out and say that they will not make a save game patch and everyone > would still whine about it. Oh wait! Sierra already did that. > > Vintook >

>"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote > Real Winston Cup drivers have several advantages over me (in addition to > skill), like their phone doesn't ring, the doorbell doesn't ring, and the > wife and kids don't bother them when they are racing. These are reasonswhy > I want a save game feature. Uh, you press pause. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Precisely... > > Real Winston Cup drivers have several advantages over me (in addition to > skill), like their phone doesn't ring, the doorbell doesn't ring, and the > wife and kids don't bother them when they are racing. These are reasonswhy > I want a save game feature. >

On Wed, 16 May 2001 11:00:25 GMT, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote: >GP3 and F1RC are completely different games. If Heat can't do it and GPL >can't do it, then N4 cant' do it. These 3 games are similar. How is Heat similar and GP3 and F1RC are not? Are you implying the GP3 and F1RC physics models are arcade and that's why it can be done in those sims? -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

On Wed, 16 May 2001 01:17:35 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Uh yeaaaah N4 really did not go well financially <G> I was thinking GPL when I posted that. :-) -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Check your sim history. There are a quite a few similarities between N4/GPL and Heat. Some of programmers for heat were papy employees. Wayne "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 16 May 2001 11:00:25 GMT, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >GP3 and F1RC are completely different games. If Heat can't do it and GPL > >can't do it, then N4 cant' do it. These 3 games are similar. > > How is Heat similar and GP3 and F1RC are not? Are you implying the GP3 > and F1RC physics models are arcade and that's why it can be done in > those sims? > -- > eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format > http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

On Wed, 16 May 2001 12:51:36 -0500, "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Check your sim history. There are a quite a few similarities between N4/GPL >and Heat. Some of programmers for heat were papy employees. > So? That still doesn't prove a save game patch could not be done. As Gregor said, it can be done if they really wanted to spend the resources doing it. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Papy and Sierra have already stated that it isn't feasible, either time or money is the driving force and they have dropped the issue for now(probably forever). If they are planning on doing a Nascar 5 then you can forget about a save game feature in a patch because they will be concentrating on N5. The patches for GPL were done in papy's spare time. If they could do a save game feature in their spare time then GPL would have had one already. Vintook "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 16 May 2001 12:51:36 -0500, "Wayne Bradley" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Check your sim history. There are a quite a few similarities betweenN4/GPL

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> >and Heat. Some of programmers for heat were papy employees. > > > > So? That still doesn't prove a save game patch could not be done. As > Gregor said, it can be done if they really wanted to spend the > resources doing it. > -- > eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format > http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

In article <FUxM6.7098$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Real Winston Cup drivers have several advantages over me (in addition to >> skill), like their phone doesn't ring, the doorbell doesn't ring, and the >> wife and kids don't bother them when they are racing. These are reasons >why >> I want a save game feature. > > >Uh, you press pause.

Which is fine, as long as no one ELSE needs to use the computer in the meantime... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 16 May 2001 22:10:19 GMT, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Papy and Sierra have already stated that it isn't feasible, either time or >money is the driving force and they have dropped the issue for now(probably >forever). If they are planning on doing a Nascar 5 then you can forget about >a save game feature in a patch because they will be concentrating on N5. The >patches for GPL were done in papy's spare time. If they could do a save game >feature in their spare time then GPL would have had one already. > >Vintook

I am aware of all that Vintook. Just expressing my opinion so that maybe they start including one in all future games. This should be a standard feature in racing sims and not a luxury in some. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

You'll have to excuse Fran�ois...he either has no family considerations or he has no consideration of others with families...or both. Marc. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <FUxM6.7098$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> Real Winston Cup drivers have several advantages over me (in additionto > >> skill), like their phone doesn't ring, the doorbell doesn't ring, andthe

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> >> wife and kids don't bother them when they are racing. These are reasons > >why > >> I want a save game feature. > > > > > >Uh, you press pause. > > Which is fine, as long as no one ELSE needs to use the computer in the > meantime... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

>"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote > You'll have to excuse Fran�ois...he either has no family considerations or > he has no consideration of others with families...or both. Ahhhh cmon ;-) No seriously, if something like that happens, well I'll shut down the sim and re-race it later. No big deal, in those situation the sim is obviously LESS important since you get OUT of the peecee, so why the need to save something you obviously don't feel important about? If you did, you would let the phone ring or let those people knock on the door ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I am running in the top 5, 3 hours into a race...no, I am not going to just shut it down and re-race later with a smile on my face. Marc. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iR%M6.17925$[email hidden]... > >"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote > > You'll have to excuse Fran�ois...he either has no family considerationsor

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> > he has no consideration of others with families...or both. > > Ahhhh cmon ;-) > > No seriously, if something like that happens, well I'll shut down the sim > and re-race it later. No big deal, in those situation the sim is obviously > LESS important since you get OUT of the peecee, so why the need to save > something you obviously don't feel important about? If you did, you would > let the phone ring or let those people knock on the door ;-) > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > >