Need help with NASCAR 4, please!

I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates. I have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order to keep everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but it's a no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes of playing N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? Here are the specs: 933 PIII 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz SB Live Value Digital 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP Windows ME P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? Thanks, Mike 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway on the planet. Fan of Robert Yates Racing

You should get very decent framerates with that system Mike. I am running N4 on a Celeron 566 running at 960 mhz and a Geforce2 MX vid card. Granted, I turn world detail down and drawing distance at 50%, but it makes my framerates very driveable - 30 fps and up. Are you running it in Open GL or d3d? Are you trying to run it in 32 bit color as opposed to 16? 32 bit color will really slow things down. Try running it in Open Gl, vsync and anti-alias off, and 16 bit color first. Then play with your graphics settings within N4 to get a comfortable fps. You should be able to get very decent results. Keep in mind though N4 is very graphics/cpu intensive, and I doubt there is a machine out there yet that can run everything at the max, in 32 bit color and anti-aliasing on. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates. I > have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order to keep > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but it's a > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes of playing > N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > Here are the specs: > 933 PIII > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > SB Live Value Digital > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > Windows ME > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > Thanks, Mike > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > on the planet. > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > >

Don, I am running 800 X 600 X16, Open GL. world detail is about 25-30% Car detail - med Draw 30% Mirror 10% Opp draw 12 mirror draw 3 mirror objects med trackside objects - some The best I can get is 25 FPS , sometimes down to 5-6. When I am involved in a wreck, the screen just freezes for a moment, then advances frame by frame. Thanks for the response. "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pulM6.31068$[email hidden]... > You should get very decent framerates with that system Mike. I am runningN4 > on a Celeron 566 running at 960 mhz and a Geforce2 MX vid card. > Granted, I turn world detail down and drawing distance at 50%, but itmakes > my framerates very driveable - 30 fps and up. > Are you running it in Open GL or d3d? Are you trying to run it in 32 bit > color as opposed to 16? 32 bit color will really slow things down. > Try running it in Open Gl, vsync and anti-alias off, and 16 bit colorfirst.

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> Then play with your graphics settings within N4 to get a comfortable fps. > You should be able to get very decent results. Keep in mind though N4 is > very graphics/cpu intensive, and I doubt there is a machine out there yet > that can run everything at the max, in 32 bit color and anti-aliasing on. > > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates. I > > have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order to keep > > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but

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> a > > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes of > playing > > N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > > > Here are the specs: > > 933 PIII > > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > > SB Live Value Digital > > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > > Windows ME > > > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > > > Thanks, Mike > > > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > > on the planet. > > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > > > > > > >

Something is seriously out of whack on your system. How many AI cars are you using? What video drivers are you using? What are your OpenGL settings? You should get at least double that frame rate considering you have everything turned down in the game. Marc. "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Don, > I am running 800 X 600 X16, Open GL. > world detail is about 25-30% > Car detail - med > Draw 30% > Mirror 10% > Opp draw 12 > mirror draw 3 > mirror objects med > trackside objects - some > > The best I can get is 25 FPS > , sometimes down to 5-6. When I am involved in a wreck, the screen just > freezes for a moment, then advances frame by frame. > > Thanks for the response. > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pulM6.31068$[email hidden]... > > You should get very decent framerates with that system Mike. I am

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> N4 > > on a Celeron 566 running at 960 mhz and a Geforce2 MX vid card. > > Granted, I turn world detail down and drawing distance at 50%, but it > makes > > my framerates very driveable - 30 fps and up. > > Are you running it in Open GL or d3d? Are you trying to run it in 32 bit > > color as opposed to 16? 32 bit color will really slow things down. > > Try running it in Open Gl, vsync and anti-alias off, and 16 bit color > first. > > Then play with your graphics settings within N4 to get a comfortable

fps. > > You should be able to get very decent results. Keep in mind though N4 is > > very graphics/cpu intensive, and I doubt there is a machine out thereyet > > that can run everything at the max, in 32 bit color and anti-aliasingon.

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> > > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > D Burnette in N4 > > > > Some people do nothing wrong. > > The problem is, they do nothing. > > And THAT is wrong. > > > > "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates.

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> > > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but > it's > > a > > > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes of > > playing > > > N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > > > > > Here are the specs: > > > 933 PIII > > > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > > > SB Live Value Digital > > > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > > > Windows ME > > > > > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > > > > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > > > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > > > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > > > on the planet. > > > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hmmm, you got a problem somewhere, you should be getting much better framerates than that with those settings. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don, > I am running 800 X 600 X16, Open GL. > world detail is about 25-30% > Car detail - med > Draw 30% > Mirror 10% > Opp draw 12 > mirror draw 3 > mirror objects med > trackside objects - some > > The best I can get is 25 FPS > , sometimes down to 5-6. When I am involved in a wreck, the screen just > freezes for a moment, then advances frame by frame. > > Thanks for the response. > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pulM6.31068$[email hidden]... > > You should get very decent framerates with that system Mike. I am running > N4 > > on a Celeron 566 running at 960 mhz and a Geforce2 MX vid card. > > Granted, I turn world detail down and drawing distance at 50%, but it > makes > > my framerates very driveable - 30 fps and up. > > Are you running it in Open GL or d3d? Are you trying to run it in 32 bit > > color as opposed to 16? 32 bit color will really slow things down. > > Try running it in Open Gl, vsync and anti-alias off, and 16 bit color > first. > > Then play with your graphics settings within N4 to get a comfortable fps. > > You should be able to get very decent results. Keep in mind though N4 is > > very graphics/cpu intensive, and I doubt there is a machine out there yet > > that can run everything at the max, in 32 bit color and anti-aliasing on. > > > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > D Burnette in N4 > > > > Some people do nothing wrong. > > The problem is, they do nothing. > > And THAT is wrong. > > > > "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates. I > > > have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order to keep > > > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but > it's > > a > > > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes of > > playing > > > N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > > > > > Here are the specs: > > > 933 PIII > > > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > > > SB Live Value Digital > > > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > > > Windows ME > > > > > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > > > > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > > > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > > > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > > > on the planet. > > > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Btw, I had a typo in original response, my Celeron 566 is running at 850 mhz, not 960 . I would think you should be easily in the 40's-50's with your settings. You got anti aliasing off in your Nvidia Open Gl properties? -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don, > I am running 800 X 600 X16, Open GL. > world detail is about 25-30% > Car detail - med > Draw 30% > Mirror 10% > Opp draw 12 > mirror draw 3 > mirror objects med > trackside objects - some > > The best I can get is 25 FPS > , sometimes down to 5-6. When I am involved in a wreck, the screen just > freezes for a moment, then advances frame by frame. > > Thanks for the response. > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pulM6.31068$[email hidden]... > > You should get very decent framerates with that system Mike. I am running > N4 > > on a Celeron 566 running at 960 mhz and a Geforce2 MX vid card. > > Granted, I turn world detail down and drawing distance at 50%, but it > makes > > my framerates very driveable - 30 fps and up. > > Are you running it in Open GL or d3d? Are you trying to run it in 32 bit > > color as opposed to 16? 32 bit color will really slow things down. > > Try running it in Open Gl, vsync and anti-alias off, and 16 bit color > first. > > Then play with your graphics settings within N4 to get a comfortable fps. > > You should be able to get very decent results. Keep in mind though N4 is > > very graphics/cpu intensive, and I doubt there is a machine out there yet > > that can run everything at the max, in 32 bit color and anti-aliasing on. > > > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > D Burnette in N4 > > > > Some people do nothing wrong. > > The problem is, they do nothing. > > And THAT is wrong. > > > > "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates. I > > > have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order to keep > > > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but > it's > > a > > > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes of > > playing > > > N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > > > > > Here are the specs: > > > 933 PIII > > > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > > > SB Live Value Digital > > > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > > > Windows ME > > > > > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > > > > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > > > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > > > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > > > on the planet. > > > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I generally get 20 - 35 FPS with a 600MHZ P3 and a voodoo 5, with most of the visuals turned down quite a bit, but none turned off. I have also noticed that the biggest way to improve framerate is to cut back on A.I. opponents. My frame rates are in single digits if I use a 43 car field. I just kept reducing the field until I got tolerable framerates, which for my system is about 16 A.I. opponents. Try reducing the field. "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates. I > have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order to keep > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but it'sa > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes ofplaying

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> N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > Here are the specs: > 933 PIII > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > SB Live Value Digital > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > Windows ME > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > Thanks, Mike > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > on the planet. > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > > >

I agree that there is something not right with your system settings ( probably graphics card ) if what you say is correct regarding your game settings. Another 128meg or more of ram wouldn't hurt either. Sven

Just for kicks try turning off sound, see if it's better. If this fixes it try downloading new sound drivers. It worked for me anyway. Hope it helps. "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates. I > have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order to keep > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but it'sa > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes ofplaying

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> N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > Here are the specs: > 933 PIII > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > SB Live Value Digital > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > Windows ME > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > Thanks, Mike > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > on the planet. > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > >

As Don also mentioned, make sure that you have FSAA Off, that is a big framerate hog "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Don, > I am running 800 X 600 X16, Open GL. > world detail is about 25-30% > Car detail - med > Draw 30% > Mirror 10% > Opp draw 12 > mirror draw 3 > mirror objects med > trackside objects - some > > The best I can get is 25 FPS > , sometimes down to 5-6. When I am involved in a wreck, the screen just > freezes for a moment, then advances frame by frame. > > Thanks for the response. > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pulM6.31068$[email hidden]... > > You should get very decent framerates with that system Mike. I am

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> N4 > > on a Celeron 566 running at 960 mhz and a Geforce2 MX vid card. > > Granted, I turn world detail down and drawing distance at 50%, but it > makes > > my framerates very driveable - 30 fps and up. > > Are you running it in Open GL or d3d? Are you trying to run it in 32 bit > > color as opposed to 16? 32 bit color will really slow things down. > > Try running it in Open Gl, vsync and anti-alias off, and 16 bit color > first. > > Then play with your graphics settings within N4 to get a comfortable

fps. > > You should be able to get very decent results. Keep in mind though N4 is > > very graphics/cpu intensive, and I doubt there is a machine out thereyet > > that can run everything at the max, in 32 bit color and anti-aliasingon.

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> > > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > D Burnette in N4 > > > > Some people do nothing wrong. > > The problem is, they do nothing. > > And THAT is wrong. > > > > "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates.

I > > > have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order tokeep

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> > > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but > it's > > a > > > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes of > > playing > > > N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > > > > > Here are the specs: > > > 933 PIII > > > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > > > SB Live Value Digital > > > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > > > Windows ME > > > > > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > > > > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > > > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > > > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > > > on the planet. > > > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Set your card to 16 bit color. Set the maximum number of cars in a race to ~21. Set the maximum cars visible forward to ~18, in mirror to ~3. In your n4 directory... Edit core.ini...change MaxBlockSize to 384072 (stops the 8-9 frames a second during a crash). Edit RendOGL.ini or Rend_3d3.ini (depending on what your using) and change the line for TextureSetSize=a few million less like 27412288 to 24412288 (this last one stops the little momentary hiccups from agp texture swapping). You really could use more memory too.

especially on a Nvidia based vid card. dave henrie "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VqzM6.7$cv5.117@interramp... > As Don also mentioned, make sure that you have FSAA Off, that is a big > framerate hog >

Turn off 3D sound, thats a big relief on your cpu. TS "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates. I > have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order to keep > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but it'sa > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes ofplaying

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> N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > Here are the specs: > 933 PIII > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > SB Live Value Digital > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > Windows ME > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > Thanks, Mike > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > on the planet. > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > >

Really TS? Per Chance would you know {at a questimation} how many FPS`s you would pick up? Tia.. Thom_j. "T S" wrote: | Turn off 3D sound, thats a big relief on your cpu. | TS

On 800mhz cpu, G-force 2, and soundblaster live I guess about 4-5 fps on average in a pack of cars, from 35 to 30. But with 3d-sound on I get fps-drops down to 8-10 sometimes, mostly after a few laps. TS "Thom j." <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:%GRM6.199$[email hidden]...

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> Really TS? Per Chance would you know {at a questimation} how > many FPS`s you would pick up? Tia.. Thom_j. > > "T S" wrote: > | Turn off 3D sound, thats a big relief on your cpu. > | TS > > >

Thank you TS and your puter is really close to mine!! That is weird..lol I too have an Intel P3 800mhz cpu with the GF2'GTS'Pro, SbLive and a AbitSA6R-mobo with 256megs of PC133Dram.. Thom_j. "T S" wrote: | On 800mhz cpu, G-force 2, and soundblaster live I guess about | 4-5 fps on average in a pack of cars, from 35 to 30. But with 3d-sound | on I get fps-drops down to 8-10 sometimes, mostly after a few laps. | TS

Hmm, I don't see that big a difference with 3d sound enabled with my Live card. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "T S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qUUM6.1610$[email hidden]... > On 800mhz cpu, G-force 2, and soundblaster live I guess about > 4-5 fps on average in a pack of cars, from 35 to 30. But with 3d-sound on I > get > fps-drops down to 8-10 sometimes, mostly after a few laps. > TS > > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:%GRM6.199$[email hidden]... > > Really TS? Per Chance would you know {at a questimation} how > > many FPS`s you would pick up? Tia.. Thom_j. > > > > "T S" wrote: > > | Turn off 3D sound, thats a big relief on your cpu. > > | TS > > > > > > > >

You dont Don? Really? Wow.. I use 4 big Labtec speakers & 2 SubWoofers. When I race a full race of 20or more online/off I can hear front-back-left-right cars zooming all around me in 3D. It's great! I asked about the 'fps' advantage when shutting them off just to see if I was losing alot but I am not.. Even if you get 4 little speakers & put them around you, you should hear it!! Cheers Thom_j. "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ys%M6.38045$[email hidden]... | Hmm, I don't see that big a difference with 3d sound enabled with my Live | card. | -- | Don Burnette<snipped appropriately>

I am sorry, I should have been more specific. I hear a huge difference, I run the Klispch Pro Media's and the sound is absolutely fantastic. 3d is definitely the only way to go with the Live card and these 4 speakers/sub. What I was referring to, was I did not see the big framerate difference when running with 3d sound versus without 3d sound enabled. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vj0N6.1922$[email hidden]... > You dont Don? Really? Wow.. I use 4 big Labtec speakers & 2 SubWoofers. > When I race a full race of 20or more online/off I can hear > front-back-left-right > cars zooming all around me in 3D. It's great! I asked about the 'fps' > advantage > when shutting them off just to see if I was losing alot but I am not.. > Even if you get 4 little speakers & put them around you, you should hear > it!! > Cheers Thom_j. > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ys%M6.38045$[email hidden]... > | Hmm, I don't see that big a difference with 3d sound enabled with my Live > | card. > | -- > | Don Burnette > <snipped appropriately> > >

Ooooooooooo Ok now!! Phew you freaked this ole man out Don...lol No I didnt see any real change either so I'm leaving my VroomVrooms right where they are! "3D sound enabled!!" <g> Cheers Thom_j. "Don Burnette" wrote: | I am sorry, I should have been more specific. I hear a huge difference, I | run the Klispch Pro Media's and the sound is absolutely fantastic. 3d is | definitely the only way to go with the Live card and these 4 speakers/sub. | What I was referring to, was I did not see the big framerate differencewhen | running with 3d sound versus without 3d sound enabled. | -- | Don Burnette<snipped appropriately>

Maybe there is somethings wrong here. 3d-sound makes my N4 unplayable. But I got only 2 speakers, so never mind. TS "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:jF0N6.38141$[email hidden]... > I am sorry, I should have been more specific. I hear a huge difference, I > run the Klispch Pro Media's and the sound is absolutely fantastic. 3d is > definitely the only way to go with the Live card and these 4 speakers/sub. > What I was referring to, was I did not see the big framerate differencewhen

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> running with 3d sound versus without 3d sound enabled. > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Vj0N6.1922$[email hidden]... > > You dont Don? Really? Wow.. I use 4 big Labtec speakers & 2 SubWoofers. > > When I race a full race of 20or more online/off I can hear > > front-back-left-right > > cars zooming all around me in 3D. It's great! I asked about the 'fps' > > advantage > > when shutting them off just to see if I was losing alot but I am not.. > > Even if you get 4 little speakers & put them around you, you should hear > > it!! > > Cheers Thom_j. > > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ys%M6.38045$[email hidden]... > > | Hmm, I don't see that big a difference with 3d sound enabled with my > Live > > | card. > > | -- > > | Don Burnette > > <snipped appropriately> > > > > > >

I have a Asus P3V4X with a PIII650@911Mhz. I am using the old original 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR-DVI card. With 35 cars ahead, 3 behind and real world detail to full with 70% draw ahead @ 1024x768 I get 28-84fps. 28 being the lowest while in front of grandstands and etc with a full field. During a normal race and all the cards spread out a little, I get 50fps average. I wonder what a good GF2 or 3 card will do? "Mike Bama" <Here@Sweet_Home_Alabama> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am can't for the life of me get N4 running with decent frame rates. I > have to turn just about everything off, or turn on low in order to keep > everything from being so choppy. N3 runs with all eye candy on, but it'sa > no-go got N4, and GPL. I bought this system primarily with hopes ofplaying

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> N4. Could I be in need of some cooling fans? > > Here are the specs: > 933 PIII > 128 MB SDRAM at 133 MHz > SB Live Value Digital > 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP > Windows ME > > P.S. How do I get rid of the NVIDIA logo in the right corner of N3? > > Thanks, Mike > > 99 FLHTCI "Glidezilla" (ran 2 laps at Dega on this baby)! > 98 Basset Hound "Budzilla" > 35 miles from the largest Super Speedway > on the planet. > Fan of Robert Yates Racing > > >