N4 Ranking Question

Maybe someone knows the answer... What is the status of disconnected players in the ranking? Does the scoring calculate you as having beat the disconnected players....or only if they manually disconnect? If they are disconnected due to latency problems....do the players remaining online get credit for beating them? If your connection is lost during a race.....are you scored as having finished behind everyone who remains online further into the race than you did? Or are you not scored at all....in effect given a DNS and not losing any points? Doug B (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

Yes, No, Yes, No Pretty stupid system if you ask me. "PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Maybe someone knows the answer... > > What is the status of disconnected players in the ranking? Does thescoring > calculate you as having beat the disconnected players....or only if they > manually disconnect? If they are disconnected due to latencyproblems....do > the players remaining online get credit for beating them? > > If your connection is lost during a race.....are you scored as havingfinished > behind everyone who remains online further into the race than you did? Orare

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> you not scored at all....in effect given a DNS and not losing any points? > > Doug B > > > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) >

Doug, I think & I do say *think* since they changed and reset all rating points! If you are disonnected by the server during race *no change* in ur rating. If you are ejected by the server during race *does change* ur rating If you are just disonnected at all *real vague & a big ?mark* in ur rating If you disonnect from the server during race ur rating *changes* If you disonnect before race starts *no change* in ur rating Now: If you are hit in the rear at anytime including on pace expect an IC If you hit anyone at anytime including on pace expect an IC If you hit anyone after incident happened infront of you, expect an IC Basically dont hit or be hit ever as you usually will end up with an IC ICs effect your "rating points" more then a 1st place win so watch ur hits aka contacts during a race or even on the pace lap!! All the above are not definitively clear by Sierra & some are kinda in a 'Grey area' but I watch my rating stats closely. All the above seem to effect ur rating points.. Cheers Thom_j. "PHYDEAUX99" wrote: | Maybe someone knows the answer... | What is the status of disconnected players in the ranking? Does thescoring | calculate you as having beat the disconnected players....or only if they | manually disconnect? If they are disconnected due to latencyproblems....do | the players remaining online get credit for beating them? | | If your connection is lost during a race.....are you scored as havingfinished | behind everyone who remains online further into the race than you did? Orare | you not scored at all....in effect given a DNS and not losing any points? | Doug B

Oops when I stated *no change* or *change* in ur rating.. This was referring to your detailed rating when you 'highlight' your name in the lobby, then click P & then hit Ctrl-Shift for details! When I read my own post it looked really vagure.. Sorry.. Thom_j. <snipped>

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: > If you are hit in the rear at anytime including on pace expect an IC > If you hit anyone at anytime including on pace expect an IC > If you hit anyone after incident happened infront of you, expect an IC > Basically dont hit or be hit ever as you usually will end up with an IC Yeah. So I don't really give the LPI number much attention anyway. Luckily it's not a limiting factor to join races. > ICs effect your "rating points" more then a 1st place win so watch ur > hits aka contacts during a race or even on the pace lap!! So the rating points varies with the number of IC's ? In other words, it's more difficult to promote the rank with many IC's ? Pretty ridicolous with the current a-incident-as-long-as-your-car-touches-anything-no-matter-what system :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pUqP6.3222$[email hidden]... > Doug, > I think & I do say *think* since they changed and reset all rating points! > If you are disonnected by the server during race *no change* in ur rating. Do you meen if the server is shut down because I'm pretty sure if you get discod you lose points (unless everyone else gets discod first ;))

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> If you are ejected by the server during race *does change* ur rating > If you are just disonnected at all *real vague & a big ?mark* in ur rating > If you disonnect from the server during race ur rating *changes* > If you disonnect before race starts *no change* in ur rating > Now: > If you are hit in the rear at anytime including on pace expect an IC > If you hit anyone at anytime including on pace expect an IC > If you hit anyone after incident happened infront of you, expect an IC > Basically dont hit or be hit ever as you usually will end up with an IC > ICs effect your "rating points" more then a 1st place win so watch ur > hits aka contacts during a race or even on the pace lap!! > All the above are not definitively clear by Sierra & some are kinda in > a 'Grey area' but I watch my rating stats closely. All the above seem > to effect ur rating points.. > Cheers Thom_j. > > > "PHYDEAUX99" wrote: > | Maybe someone knows the answer... > | What is the status of disconnected players in the ranking? Does the > scoring > | calculate you as having beat the disconnected players....or only if they > | manually disconnect? If they are disconnected due to latency > problems....do > | the players remaining online get credit for beating them? > | > | If your connection is lost during a race.....are you scored as having > finished > | behind everyone who remains online further into the race than you did?

Or > are > | you not scored at all....in effect given a DNS and not losing anypoints? > | Doug B > > >

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> > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: > > > If you are hit in the rear at anytime including on pace expect an IC > > If you hit anyone at anytime including on pace expect an IC > > If you hit anyone after incident happened infront of you, expect an IC > > Basically dont hit or be hit ever as you usually will end up with an IC > > Yeah. So I don't really give the LPI number much attention > anyway. Luckily it's not a limiting factor to join races. > > > ICs effect your "rating points" more then a 1st place win so watch ur > > hits aka contacts during a race or even on the pace lap!! > > So the rating points varies with the number of IC's ? In other words, > it's more difficult to promote the rank with many IC's ? Pretty > ridicolous with the current > a-incident-as-long-as-your-car-touches-anything-no-matter-what system :)

Every IC gets you -3 points. It can hurt you real quick. -- Fester 0 1 1 4 20.8

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> "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > If you are hit in the rear at anytime including on pace expect an IC > > If you hit anyone at anytime including on pace expect an IC > > If you hit anyone after incident happened infront of you, expect an IC > > Basically dont hit or be hit ever as you usually will end up with an IC > > Yeah. So I don't really give the LPI number much attention > anyway. Luckily it's not a limiting factor to join races. >

I wish it was then you could have a LPI limit of say 10, any safe driver should be able to atain an LPI of at least 15 I have had allot of bad luck with people hitting me but still my LPI is over 30.

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>Subject: Re: N4 Ranking Question >From: "Alex Cameron" [email hidden] >Date: 05/25/2001 9:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <eQsP6.535104$[email hidden]> > > >"Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> "Thom j." <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >> > If you are hit in the rear at anytime including on pace expect an IC >> > If you hit anyone at anytime including on pace expect an IC >> > If you hit anyone after incident happened infront of you, expect an IC >> > Basically dont hit or be hit ever as you usually will end up with an IC >> >> Yeah. So I don't really give the LPI number much attention >> anyway. Luckily it's not a limiting factor to join races. >> >I wish it was then you could have a LPI limit of say 10, any safe driver >should be able to atain an LPI of at least 15 I have had allot of bad luck >with people hitting me but still my LPI is over 30. >

I also believe I read somewhere that ANYTHING that would normally bring out a yellow....even with yellows turned off....counts as an incident. I presume this would include spins even if you spin into the grass....... ....would this also include a blown motor??? Doug B. (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

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| "Thom j." writes: | > ICs effect your "rating points" more then a 1st place win so watch ur | > hits aka contacts during a race or even on the pace lap!! | | So the rating points varies with the number of IC's ? In other words, | it's more difficult to promote the rank with many IC's ? Pretty | ridicolous with the current | a-incident-as-long-as-your-car-touches-anything-no-matter-what system :)

Basically thats it boss! The more ICs the slower your rise to a good 5-6-7-8-etc. It gets really hard after 5 with all the freakin wreckers online now.. Just try to find a good group to race with and ICs are not a nig deal.. Good Luck Thom_j. | -- | Olav K. Malmin | remove .spam when replying

| "Thom j." wrote: | > Doug, | > I think & I do say *think* since they changed and reset all ratingpoints! | > If you are disonnected by the server during race *no change* in urrating. "Alex Cameron" wrote: | Do you meen if the server is shut down because I'm pretty sure if you get | discod you lose points (unless everyone else gets discod first ;)) No!! If a server closes the race you *dont* lose points but if you disco and have been in a small accident ur fault or not and get dosco'ed by a throughput problem you *do* get the ICs and point rating takes this as an IC and it takes longer for you to rise to the next rating point. follow? <snipped>

Thank you Uncle Fester!.... I knew there was a -# for each IC but I didnt know what it was?... Now as Uncle Fester just pointed out if you have an IC it drops you -3 and each time this happens it will take you back to your last IC lap... Meaning you had an LPI of 25 until your last IC and now an LPI of 57 but you get an IC and you go backwards to the last IC [as I have been told now! ] of LPI 25. So ICs are just [if not more] important as a 1st place win!! [I hope I typed that all correctly>?..lol But you get the basic idea] Cheers Thom_j. "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | Every IC gets you -3 points. It can hurt you real quick. | -- | Fester | 0 1 1 4 20.8

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> | "Thom j." wrote: > | > Doug, > | > I think & I do say *think* since they changed and reset all rating > points! > | > If you are disonnected by the server during race *no change* in ur > rating. > > "Alex Cameron" wrote: > | Do you meen if the server is shut down because I'm pretty sure if you

get > | discod you lose points (unless everyone else gets discod first ;)) > > No!! If a server closes the race you *dont* lose points but if you disco > and have been in a small accident ur fault or not and get dosco'ed by a > throughput problem you *do* get the ICs and point rating takes this as > an IC and it takes longer for you to rise to the next rating point.follow? > <snipped> >Of corse I "follow" that's what I said ;-)

Sorry bout dat!! Then I mis-understood!! Bad day today.. My GPL went on the blink as I tried to put the "newer 3do dashes & cockpits" that were posted here on RAS.. and I have been freaking for about 5hours. I finally got it back running again... phew.. I must stop doing all these addons without thinking.. ya know? eeeeeck Thom_j. "Alex Cameron" wrote: <snipped> | Of corse I "follow" that's what I said ;-)

Hmmm? Not sure about this one Doug.. You got me here? Maybe Uncle Fester will know.. Yo Uncle F, you see this?.. :o) "PHYDEAUX99" wrote: | I also believe I read somewhere that ANYTHING that would normally bringout a | yellow....even with yellows turned off....counts as an incident. Ipresume | this would include spins even if you spin into the grass....... | ....would this also include a blown motor??? | Doug B. | (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

Alex I run 3 IDs in N4 online.. So far {knock on wood} I havent gone over 15 ICs and my LPIs stay around 40-70 [not good btw] but if we didnt have all the 'damn wreckers' around to get un-warranted ICs my LPI would be a 200+.. "O" Well I must find a good group of racers again & get out of those dumb pick'up races.. Phew!! "Alex Cameron" wrote: | I wish it was then you could have a LPI limit of say 10, any safe driver | should be able to atain an LPI of at least 15 I have had allot of bad luck | with people hitting me but still my LPI is over 30.

"Thom j." wrote: > > Hmmm? Not sure about this one Doug.. You got me here? > Maybe Uncle Fester will know.. Yo Uncle F, you see this?.. :o) I know it'll get you on a spin, I've had that at Watkins Glen before. After an otherwise clean race except for a 1 car T1 shunt midway thru the race, my IC count incremented. As far as blown motors, I don't know. So far I've been lucky, no blown motors since the reset of the rating system. Easy on the tape, I say! <g> -- Fester 0 1 1 5 22.0 > "PHYDEAUX99" wrote: > | I also believe I read somewhere that ANYTHING that would normally bring > out a > | yellow....even with yellows turned off....counts as an incident. I > presume > | this would include spins even if you spin into the grass....... > | ....would this also include a blown motor??? > | Doug B. > | (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

"Thom j." wrote: > > Alex I run 3 IDs in N4 online.. So far {knock on wood} I havent gone over > 15 ICs and my LPIs stay around 40-70 [not good btw] but if we didnt have > all the 'damn wreckers' around to get un-warranted ICs my LPI would be a > 200+.. "O" Well I must find a good group of racers again & get out of those > dumb pick'up races.. Phew!! Yeah, I was doing OK until I hit the Papy server for a couple 50 lappers at Bristol. Can you say BLOODBATH? Ran my IC count WAY up. :-/ -- Fester 0 1 1 5 22.0

Uncle Fest now U know better then to get into a Papy race...Phew...lol PapyLoop=PapyPoop Sorry I couldnt resist & yea I know it isn't very "punny" hahaha :o)~ "Uncle Fester" wrote: | Yeah, I was doing OK until I hit the Papy server for a couple 50 lappers | at Bristol. Can you say BLOODBATH? Ran my IC count WAY up. :-/ | -- | Fester | 0 1 1 5 22.0

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>Subject: Re: N4 Ranking Question >From: Uncle Fester [email hidden] >Date: 05/26/2001 4:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > >"Thom j." wrote: >> >> Alex I run 3 IDs in N4 online.. So far {knock on wood} I havent gone over >> 15 ICs and my LPIs stay around 40-70 [not good btw] but if we didnt have >> all the 'damn wreckers' around to get un-warranted ICs my LPI would be a >> 200+.. "O" Well I must find a good group of racers again & get out of those >> dumb pick'up races.. Phew!! > > >Yeah, I was doing OK until I hit the Papy server for a couple 50 lappers >at Bristol. Can you say BLOODBATH? Ran my IC count WAY up. :-/ > >-- > >Fester >0 1 1 5 22.0

Which opens a whole new can-o-fishbait.....since the IC is combined for all four classes/track types it really doesn't seem too "fair" that an incident is given the same effect on the ratings at Bristol as it does at the megaspeedways. Sure you run more laps at Bristol meaning that a single incident may not have the same effect but the odds of incurring multiple incidents in a 50 lap short track race (especially in pickup events) are mighty high. (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

I agree and have no idea how they came up with this rating system but maybe this is how it works in other Nascar ranked sims? Since this is the new rating system, I guess it wont be changed now? Yukk.. "PHYDEAUX99" wrote: | Which opens a whole new can-o-fishbait.....since the IC is combined forall | four classes/track types it really doesn't seem too "fair" that anincident is | given the same effect on the ratings at Bristol as it does at the | megaspeedways. Sure you run more laps at Bristol meaning that a single | incident may not have the same effect but the odds of incurring multiple | incidents in a 50 lap short track race (especially in pickup events) aremighty | high.

Which reminds me of another frustrating way that idiots are trying to beat 'the system'. In 3 different races last night I was close to the front, a few turns from the end and the host shuts down the server because he/she didn't like their track position and/or caused/received too many IC's. -Phasor "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yVBP6.5323$[email hidden]...

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> | "Thom j." wrote: > | > Doug, > | > I think & I do say *think* since they changed and reset all rating > points! > | > If you are disonnected by the server during race *no change* in ur > rating. > > "Alex Cameron" wrote: > | Do you meen if the server is shut down because I'm pretty sure if you

get > | discod you lose points (unless everyone else gets discod first ;)) > > No!! If a server closes the race you *dont* lose points but if you disco > and have been in a small accident ur fault or not and get dosco'ed by a > throughput problem you *do* get the ICs and point rating takes this as > an IC and it takes longer for you to rise to the next rating point.follow? > <snipped> > >

Phasor if you only knew "just how many times!!" this happens!! Oddly you can get an IC from this time to time & I have no idea why? I just left a 'so called' 5-10 rated race & 2 wreckers were in there. Got slammed in the azz twice in each race {thats 4 ICs} and the host didn't do shit about them either... I left of course..!! I think it might be time to go back to Vroc! Hell!! DTR is better then this crap!! phew!! "Phasor" wrote: | Which reminds me of another frustrating way that idiots are trying to beat | 'the system'. In 3 different races last night I was close to the front, a | few turns from the end and the host shuts down the server because he/she | didn't like their track position and/or caused/received too many IC's. | | -Phasor

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>Phasor if you only knew "just how many times!!" this happens!! >Oddly you can get an IC from this time to time & I have no idea >why? I just left a 'so called' 5-10 rated race & 2 wreckers were >in there. Got slammed in the azz twice in each race {thats 4 ICs} >and the host didn't do shit about them either... I left of course..!! >I think it might be time to go back to Vroc! Hell!! DTR is better >then this crap!! phew!!

The host might not have been racing(unattended). But, if the host is racing, would he even be AWARE of a troublemaker? Besides, does he have time to type the !eject command? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, In this particular instance yes he was there & yes he has ejected before while he raced! This was the 1st time I ever saw him *not* do anything.. Maybe it was his 1/2 brother's cousin's uncle's mothers' brother Goober? Phew Inbreeeeeeeeeding!! No BS tho' he was there & has ejected before! "EldredP" wrote: | The host might not have been racing(unattended). But, if the host isracing, | would he even be AWARE of a troublemaker? Besides, does he have time totype | the !eject command? | | Eldred

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>Subject: Re: N4 Ranking Question >From: "Thom j." [email hidden] >Date: 05/28/2001 11:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <1%EQ6.12455$[email hidden]> > >Eldred, In this particular instance yes he was there & yes he has >ejected before while he raced! This was the 1st time I ever saw >him *not* do anything.. Maybe it was his 1/2 brother's cousin's >uncle's mothers' brother Goober? Phew Inbreeeeeeeeeding!! >No BS tho' he was there & has ejected before! > >"EldredP" wrote: >| The host might not have been racing(unattended). But, if the host is >racing, >| would he even be AWARE of a troublemaker? Besides, does he have time to >type >| the !eject command? >| >| Eldred

Actually I have been amazed at what people are able to type into chat while driving....I refer to most of this as "autochat profanity" how can a guy continue racing and still type up a maximum character message complete with A**hole this and MF that yada yada yada??? (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

I have a further question on the ranking system. Since the ranking reset I have managed to attain a 2 rating on SS but my average score (divided by 9) is a negative 8.3333 but on speedway I am still at a ZERO ranking even though my average is +.3333 I have also notice in the last couple of days that more hosted races are setting the ranking limits at 3-10 or even 5-10. It's making it more difficult to find a good server to run on. The pappy ones generally suck with 30+ entrants and major incidents unavoidable. Doug B. (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

I have 4 IDs for N4 Doug..{Dont ask why..lol} Now I have 3 SS4s and 1 SS5. How I get these so quickly {before all this wrecker crap!}Is/was try to stay & finish the race "no matter what!" If even everyone are in the SS3s-4s-5s and your an SS2 this is better for you!! Even if they are also SS1s-2s-3s this too is fine! Just finish the race!! Everytime one 3-4-5 crashes & you dont then finish the race go look at how high ur 8#s are in the lobby by clicking ur name, click P, then hit a Ctrl-Shift...The 8#s are at the bottom by your SS rating and the one all the way to the right is your last race. Then 7 is the one before & so on.. Give it a try & see how fast ur rating climbs but stay out of Papyloop# races... phew They are the worse for having wreckers!!! Good Luck & Enjoy.. Thom_j. "PHYDEAUX99" wrote: | I have a further question on the ranking system. | | Since the ranking reset I have managed to attain a 2 rating on SS but my | average score (divided by 9) is a negative 8.3333 but on speedway I amstill | at a ZERO ranking even though my average is +.3333 | | I have also notice in the last couple of days that more hosted races are | setting the ranking limits at 3-10 or even 5-10. It's making it moredifficult | to find a good server to run on. The pappy ones generally suck with 30+ | entrants and major incidents unavoidable. | Doug B.

PHYDEAUX99 wrote: > > I have a further question on the ranking system. > > Since the ranking reset I have managed to attain a 2 rating on SS but my > average score (divided by 9) is a negative 8.3333 but on speedway I am still > at a ZERO ranking even though my average is +.3333 The way I've heard it, it takes 50 pts to get a 1, 75pts for a 2, 100pts for a 3, etc. Fastest way to move up is to get on the highest ranked server you can and *finish*. If you're the lowest ranked driver in the field, the ranking system does not expect you to do well. A couple top 3's or even 5's under those conditions can change all that real quick. -- Fester 0 1 1 5 24.8

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>Subject: Re: N4 Ranking Question >From: Uncle Fester [email hidden] >Date: 05/30/2001 8:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > >PHYDEAUX99 wrote: >> >> I have a further question on the ranking system. >> >> Since the ranking reset I have managed to attain a 2 rating on SS but my >> average score (divided by 9) is a negative 8.3333 but on speedway I am >still >> at a ZERO ranking even though my average is +.3333 > > >The way I've heard it, it takes 50 pts to get a 1, 75pts for a 2, 100pts >for a 3, etc. Fastest way to move up is to get on the highest ranked >server you can and *finish*. If you're the lowest ranked driver in the >field, the ranking system does not expect you to do well. A couple top >3's or even 5's under those conditions can change all that real quick. > >-- > >Fester >0 1 1 5 24.8 > > > > > >

I always hang in for the whole race no matter how bad I am beat up....Run on Degahead.com a lot cause I can get a halfways decent connection showing a little improvement...but still mired down with a 2 rating. Like to run the flat speedways like Homestead and Vegas but hard to find a decent server connection without password that will take a ZERO ranking. (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)