N4 - What the heck is the "Wrecking Crew" ???

I just witnessed the most bizarre individual I've ever had the displeasure of meeting in Online Racing. The server was the Papyrus 3 4-10 server. The bonehead's name was "chevy HO". I kid you not folks. This guy was around for at least 5 races, and his #1 goal was to hit EVERY SINGLE CAR on the track, bar none. Unfortunately, he was quite sucessful. The only time he wasn't out causing havoc was when we got lucky and he ended up on his roof. I have 3 of the most incredible replays of this numb-nuts you've ever seen. Is there an official entity within Sierra/Papy to report this kind of thing to? He kept bragging that he was part of some "Wrecking Crew". What the hell is this? Does anyone have ejection rights on Papy servers? If not, then Papy should enlist a team of known-good racers to enpower with ejection rights for things like this... -Larry

`>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > Is there an official entity within Sierra/Papy to report this kind ofthing > to? No, when this happens just quit the server. If you stay, then it's your problem as you on purpose stay on the server even if you know you will get wrecked. Furthermore, you shouldn't be racing N4 pickups if you want quality racing. > Does anyone have ejection rights on Papy servers? Yes. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

This is the exact reason why I opted to stop racing online via N4! If the kiddiez want to play Demo Derby lett'em but I want to race online with clean racers.. i'.e. Back to GPL for me!! Fact!! :-) "Larry" wrote: | I just witnessed the most bizarre individual I've ever had the displeasure | of meeting in Online Racing.<snipp'ed for space> | Does anyone have ejection rights on Papy servers? If not, then Papyshould | enlist a team of known-good racers to enpower with ejection rights for | things like this... | | -Larry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

The problem is with N4, of course you've got excellent built in mulitplay, just point, click, and your off to the races . Plus Nascar Racing is much more popular here in the states, so there are many, many more copies of N4 out there. GPL however, is harder to learn to drive, you have to do some research to find the online community, download the software (vroc), in order to really get started with online racing. Plus there are much fewer copies. No doubt the quality of the avg racer online with GPL is going to be considerably better than the quality of the avg racer in N4. Plus in N4 cars tend to run much closer together for longer periods of time. And then you have all these folks that don;t really care about good online races in N4, and sign on just to create havock for kicks, because it is so easy to do. My advice to anyone that wants to race N4 online semi-seriously, is to seek out some of the good online N4 leagues, get hooked up with 1 or 2 of them, and practice, practice, practice. Online racing with N4 can be very exciting. Don Burnette "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4o8X6.20348$[email hidden]... > This is the exact reason why I opted to stop racing online via N4! > If the kiddiez want to play Demo Derby lett'em but I want to race > online with clean racers.. i'.e. Back to GPL for me!! Fact!! :-) > > "Larry" wrote: > | I just witnessed the most bizarre individual I've ever had thedispleasure

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> | of meeting in Online Racing. > <snipp'ed for space> > | Does anyone have ejection rights on Papy servers? If not, then Papy > should > | enlist a team of known-good racers to enpower with ejection rights for > | things like this... > | > | -Larry > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > > >

Wasn't 'The Wrecking Crew' a movie with Dean Martin in it?

Don you are "spot-on!" I agree.. In my little world I just can not make a commitmnet to a league. [any league which is only my problem] But I have always seen a nicer crowd [if you will'] in Vroc verses N2, N3 & now N4.. I understand exactly what you mean but it would be nice if "I" [or anyone] could go online via N4 without all this wrecker crap and have a few nice races or hours of racing. Yes, I also know that I could find a good group of racers in 'N4' and just race with them but I have done this and they are not always online when I am.. "O" well it just seems a part of sone the Nascar Crowd & I guess it will always be there.. Either put up with it or dont.. ya know? Ok, Thats my cent & a 1/2...:-) Thom_j. "Don Burnette" wrote:

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| The problem is with N4, of course you've got excellent built in mulitplay, | just point, click, and your off to the races . Plus Nascar Racing is much | more popular here in the states, so there are many, many more copies of N4 | out there. GPL however, is harder to learn to drive, you have to do some | research to find the online community, download the software (vroc), in | order to really get started with online racing. Plus there are much fewer | copies. | No doubt the quality of the avg racer online with GPL is going to be | considerably better than the quality of the avg racer in N4. Plus in N4

cars | tend to run much closer together for longer periods of time. And then you | have all these folks that don;t really care about good online races in N4, | and sign on just to create havock for kicks, because it is so easy to do. | My advice to anyone that wants to race N4 online semi-seriously, is toseek | out some of the good online N4 leagues, get hooked up with 1 or 2 of them, | and practice, practice, practice. Online racing with N4 can be very | exciting. | | Don Burnette --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

That's what the rankings try and sort out, but the thing is you have to endure tons of bad races to get a good ranking to move up to good races. -- Sean Higgins Redline Racing League www.rrlnrs.com Redline BGN Division http://home.sprintmail.com/~higgy/RRL/ "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HN9X6.20709$[email hidden]... > Don you are "spot-on!" I agree.. In my little world I just can not make > a commitmnet to a league. [any league which is only my problem] But > I have always seen a nicer crowd [if you will'] in Vroc verses N2, N3 > & now N4.. I understand exactly what you mean but it would be nice > if "I" [or anyone] could go online via N4 without all this wrecker crap > and have a few nice races or hours of racing. Yes, I also know that I > could find a good group of racers in 'N4' and just race with them but > I have done this and they are not always online when I am.. > "O" well it just seems a part of sone the Nascar Crowd & I guess it > will always be there.. Either put up with it or dont.. ya know? > Ok, Thats my cent & a 1/2...:-) Thom_j. > > > "Don Burnette" wrote: > | The problem is with N4, of course you've got excellent built in mulitplay, > | just point, click, and your off to the races . Plus Nascar Racing is much > | more popular here in the states, so there are many, many more copies of N4 > | out there. GPL however, is harder to learn to drive, you have to do some > | research to find the online community, download the software (vroc), in > | order to really get started with online racing. Plus there are much fewer > | copies. > | No doubt the quality of the avg racer online with GPL is going to be > | considerably better than the quality of the avg racer in N4. Plus in N4 > cars > | tend to run much closer together for longer periods of time. And then you > | have all these folks that don;t really care about good online races in N4, > | and sign on just to create havock for kicks, because it is so easy to do. > | My advice to anyone that wants to race N4 online semi-seriously, is to > seek > | out some of the good online N4 leagues, get hooked up with 1 or 2 of them, > | and practice, practice, practice. Online racing with N4 can be very > | exciting. > | > | Don Burnette > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > > >

Frank, I was looking for something a bit more original :) -Larry "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NH6X6.6623$[email hidden]...

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> `>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Is there an official entity within Sierra/Papy to report this kind of > thing > > to? > > No, when this happens just quit the server. If you stay, then it's your > problem as you on purpose stay on the server even if you know you will get > wrecked. Furthermore, you shouldn't be racing N4 pickups if you want > quality racing. > > > > Does anyone have ejection rights on Papy servers? > > Yes. > > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

Well put Thom. I have no time for Leagues. When I do have time to race, I wanna race without having to put up with idiots like chevy HO. -Larry "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HN9X6.20709$[email hidden]...

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> Don you are "spot-on!" I agree.. In my little world I just can not make > a commitmnet to a league. [any league which is only my problem] But > I have always seen a nicer crowd [if you will'] in Vroc verses N2, N3 > & now N4.. I understand exactly what you mean but it would be nice > if "I" [or anyone] could go online via N4 without all this wrecker crap > and have a few nice races or hours of racing. Yes, I also know that I > could find a good group of racers in 'N4' and just race with them but > I have done this and they are not always online when I am.. > "O" well it just seems a part of sone the Nascar Crowd & I guess it > will always be there.. Either put up with it or dont.. ya know? > Ok, Thats my cent & a 1/2...:-) Thom_j. > > > "Don Burnette" wrote: > | The problem is with N4, of course you've got excellent built in

mulitplay, > | just point, click, and your off to the races . Plus Nascar Racing ismuch > | more popular here in the states, so there are many, many more copies ofN4 > | out there. GPL however, is harder to learn to drive, you have to do some > | research to find the online community, download the software (vroc), in > | order to really get started with online racing. Plus there are muchfewer > | copies. > | No doubt the quality of the avg racer online with GPL is going to be > | considerably better than the quality of the avg racer in N4. Plus in N4 > cars > | tend to run much closer together for longer periods of time. And thenyou > | have all these folks that don;t really care about good online races inN4, > | and sign on just to create havock for kicks, because it is so easy todo. > | My advice to anyone that wants to race N4 online semi-seriously, is to > seek > | out some of the good online N4 leagues, get hooked up with 1 or 2 ofthem,

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> | and practice, practice, practice. Online racing with N4 can be very > | exciting. > | > | Don Burnette > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 > > >

I think that is in part is due to the relaxed damage in N4. All in all, if you choose to race pickup races I guess you have to expect immature individuals to ruin races. Mike Grandy Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:de6X6.117745$[email hidden]... I just witnessed the most bizarre individual I've ever had the displeasure of meeting in Online Racing. The server was the Papyrus 3 4-10 server. The bonehead's name was "chevy HO". I kid you not folks. This guy was around for at least 5 races, and his #1 goal was to hit EVERY SINGLE CAR on the track, bar none. Unfortunately, he was quite sucessful. The only time he wasn't out causing havoc was when we got lucky and he ended up on his roof. I have 3 of the most incredible replays of this numb-nuts you've ever seen. Is there an official entity within Sierra/Papy to report this kind of thing to? He kept bragging that he was part of some "Wrecking Crew". What the hell is this? Does anyone have ejection rights on Papy servers? If not, then Papy should enlist a team of known-good racers to enpower with ejection rights for things like this... -Larry

This was way beyond an immature racer. As were Jake & Elwood in the Blues Brothers, this guy was on a mission from God. -Larry "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yBdX6.216989$[email hidden]...

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> I think that is in part is due to the relaxed damage in N4. All in all, if > you choose to race pickup races I guess you have to expect immature > individuals to ruin races. > > > Mike Grandy > Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team > 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:de6X6.117745$[email hidden]... > I just witnessed the most bizarre individual I've ever had the displeasure > of meeting in Online Racing. > > The server was the Papyrus 3 4-10 server. > > The bonehead's name was "chevy HO". > > I kid you not folks. This guy was around for at least 5 races, and his #1 > goal was to hit EVERY SINGLE CAR on the track, bar none. > > Unfortunately, he was quite sucessful. The only time he wasn't out

causing > havoc was when we got lucky and he ended up on his roof. > > I have 3 of the most incredible replays of this numb-nuts you've everseen. > > Is there an official entity within Sierra/Papy to report this kind ofthing > to? > > He kept bragging that he was part of some "Wrecking Crew". What the hellis > this? > > Does anyone have ejection rights on Papy servers? If not, then Papyshould > enlist a team of known-good racers to enpower with ejection rights for > things like this... > > -Larry > >

Larry, I have my moments in a small minuscule coherent way :-) "Larry" wrote: | Well put Thom. | | I have no time for Leagues. When I do have time to race, I wanna race | without having to put up with idiots like chevy HO. | -Larry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

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>The problem is with N4, of course you've got excellent built in mulitplay, >just point, click, and your off to the races . Plus Nascar Racing is much >more popular here in the states, so there are many, many more copies of N4 >out there. GPL however, is harder to learn to drive, you have to do some >research to find the online community, download the software (vroc), in >order to really get started with online racing. Plus there are much fewer >copies. >No doubt the quality of the avg racer online with GPL is going to be >considerably better than the quality of the avg racer in N4. Plus in N4 cars >tend to run much closer together for longer periods of time.

Great point Don!!! -pw

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> And then you >have all these folks that don;t really care about good online races in N4, >and sign on just to create havock for kicks, because it is so easy to do. >My advice to anyone that wants to race N4 online semi-seriously, is to seek >out some of the good online N4 leagues, get hooked up with 1 or 2 of them, >and practice, practice, practice. Online racing with N4 can be very >exciting. > >Don Burnette > > >"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:4o8X6.20348$[email hidden]... >> This is the exact reason why I opted to stop racing online via N4! >> If the kiddiez want to play Demo Derby lett'em but I want to race >> online with clean racers.. i'.e. Back to GPL for me!! Fact!! :-) >> >> "Larry" wrote: >> | I just witnessed the most bizarre individual I've ever had the >displeasure >> | of meeting in Online Racing. >> <snipp'ed for space> >> | Does anyone have ejection rights on Papy servers? If not, then Papy >> should >> | enlist a team of known-good racers to enpower with ejection rights for >> | things like this... >> | >> | -Larry >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001 >> >> >> >

Well I ran a couple races Friday night at Watkins. First race was pretty clean actaully, for me at least. I stayed out of trouble and was running second when I was flat out of tires. When Third who had pitted for a repair and tires came up I just let him by. On the final lap he did get into somone and well I got by again, then was trying to race him the last two corners when I ended up letting him by again since I just did not have anything left in the car due to the tires. My second race we had a kid complaining about running Sim mode and not arcarde. Well at the start he turns a few guys around before the start, and well Turn one was a nightmare. I got loose entering turn one and well was lucky to take the inside grass and keep off of anyone. He did not. He took out a grouping of cars and well I entered the track dead lasst and well then by the esses was in the top five again. Well a few laps in I got into thrid by a neat passing manuver in the last corner and well going thru the esses I here there is a wreck in the inner loop. the same kid did not even try to stop, and used the second place car for brakes entering the innner loop. well the guy running the server after seeing the chat notes did eject the kid pretty quickly. That was nice to see since I have seen early GPL races marred by the same type of drivers. Overall I was kinda suprised on the level of driving in N4. Having been used to high quality driving in GPL, watching the fast guys leave me for dead, and getting passed cleanly before I even knew the guy was behind me. It kinda suprised me in N4 that both races I entered I was able to get into the top 3 by the end of the race. I will say both races were a lot of fun tho and the fast guys who were ahead of me were very very fast. dave

Those that were ahead were most likely (ex)GPL racers ;). -Gregor David wrote:

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> > dead, and getting passed cleanly before I even knew the guy was behind me. > It kinda suprised me in N4 that both races I entered I was able to get into > the top 3 by the end of the race. I will say both races were a lot of fun > tho and the fast guys who were ahead of me were very very fast. > > dave

In article <NH6X6.6623$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>`>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Is there an official entity within Sierra/Papy to report this kind of >thing >> to? > >No, when this happens just quit the server. If you stay, then it's your >problem as you on purpose stay on the server even if you know you will get >wrecked. Furthermore, you shouldn't be racing N4 pickups if you want >quality racing. >

Sounds like a no-win situation. Don't you lose rating points if you quit a race before it's over? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Only if you actually start the race, and only if there's four (a rediculously low number) or more cars that start the race. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> In article <NH6X6.6623$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >`>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> Is there an official entity within Sierra/Papy to report this kind of > >thing > >> to? > > > >No, when this happens just quit the server. If you stay, then it's your > >problem as you on purpose stay on the server even if you know you will get > >wrecked. Furthermore, you shouldn't be racing N4 pickups if you want > >quality racing. > > > > Sounds like a no-win situation. Don't you lose rating points if you quit a > race before it's over? > > Eldred >

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote > Sounds like a no-win situation. Don't you lose rating points if you quita > race before it's over? Yeah it sucks, no-win situation. You can also quit before qualification and you won't loose any point. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote > The problem is with N4, of course you've got excellent built in mulitplay Exactly. I've said it on the other NG. N4 has the best multiplayer implementation ever (of course it has little flaws, but they can be corrected), the problem rise with the gamer abuses. So the balance makes for a sucky online racing at the moment except for leagues. Racing = hard N4 = realistic N4 = hard >.Online racing with N4 can be very exciting. Indeed :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <%prX6.14770$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Sounds like a no-win situation. Don't you lose rating points if you quit >a >> race before it's over? > > >Yeah it sucks, no-win situation. You can also quit before qualification and >you won't loose any point. >

From the previous message, you wouldn't find out that this person was a total DICK until the green flag dropped... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

For me, This is the key issue in N4 online Eldred!! You never know until that green flag drops. Then if you are hit you get an IC just as if you were the culprit and not another!! Then you have another "N4 WreckFest!" "EldredP" wrote: | From the previous message, you wouldn't find out that this person was atotal | DICK until the green flag dropped... | | Eldred --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.259 / Virus Database: 130 - Release Date: 6/5/2001

Thank you Larry for the only other movie reference in this thread. Another that came to mind was that excellent Burt Reynolds (ahem) vehicle 'Cannonball Run'..... The fact that some nutters re-live this fantasy every year bbbbbby driving around Europe like demons should warn us all about going to a pick-up race at say, Atlanta in N4.. they're out there..and they WILL err ... turn up! jv "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uOdX6.120858$[email hidden]... > This was way beyond an immature racer. As were Jake & Elwood in the Blues > Brothers, this guy was on a mission from God. > > -Larry<snipped>

I'm sure Papy would love to hear how you "corrected" the arcade damage model problem! ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jtrX6.14781$[email hidden]... >(of course it has little flaws, but they can be > corrected),-- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ#4395450

>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'm sure Papy would love to hear how you "corrected" the arcade damagemodel > problem! It works great for leagues! <G> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

If you're in an arcade racing league, I guess it would =) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o9NX6.52137$[email hidden]... > >"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I'm sure Papy would love to hear how you "corrected" the arcade damage > model > > problem! > > > It works great for leagues! <G> > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >