Hi all,
I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel.
More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel.
Any comments that might help me make my decision?
I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also.
Jeff
Does a larger steering wheel improve sim control?
A builder of a homemade wheel asked about moving from a 12-inch to a 14 or 15-inch rim for N4 and GPL. Most said a bigger wheel gives more precise control, though one poster argued smaller wheels with more potentiometer resolution are better. Raymond of ACT Labs polled the group on preferred wheel sizes, and the original poster later reported the 14-inch upgrade was a clear improvement.
With Raymond (ACT Labs)
Automated summary.
I would say do it. I can't directly come out and say it based on sim play,
but I put a smaller grant wheel on my truck and I was shocked at how this
changed the feel. I dropped only an 1" in diameter and the truck became much
more "darty". I have only a 9 or 10 wheel on my sim controller and I would
love to go up in size. It kinda makes me wonder if this is part of the
reason everyone likes the TSW wheel so much. I think they come with a larger
wheel plus you can get a 15" as an upgrade.
MadDAWG
Bigger diameter wheel = more precise control.
Rick
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> Hi all, > > I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > Jeff > >Houndog.....
Why not put a "quick connect" device on your steering column (you can
purchase this at any racing equipment store).....so you can change from a
small wheel for GPL or open wheel sims.....to a large (14" or 15") for N4?
Or......wait a couple more months and buy a BRD racing controller...they
will come with variable sized wheels....from a 10" F1 style wheel....all the
way up to a 14" NASCAR-style wheel.....with "quick connects" installed
already! You'll also be able to order "modular" peddles (2 or 3 peddles)
that can be bottom-hinged for F1 style open wheel racing and some sports car
racing sims....or overhead-hinged for stock car sims. Its really a
"complete package"...and everything is swappable and interchangeable (even
backward compatible.....lol...).
Tom
To add to Tom and Rick, yes a bigger wheel has been an asset to me since
switching (was LWFF now is TSW2 Cup). I race primarily NASCAR 4 and dabble
with Heat since some add on stuff has popped up, and I "play" with MTM2,
NFS, and a couple others. I LOVE the big wheel, its not why I changed
wheels, but since I was getting the TSW and my choices where 13" or 15"
(either one you choose comes with Cup model at no extra $$) I got the 13"
and haven't looked back. I probably couldn't use a 15" due to the
configuration of my desk and my 6'4" frame/legs getting in the way. The 13"
nearly rides along my thighs now, lol.
Anyway, the TSW also has the quick disconnects (not from a racing store as
Tom mentioned, more like a PC power-type plug) so you can mix and match
wheels as you please, so that ideology is good advice provded you can match
up the wiring to a quick connect that you can just go out and buy.
I think that TSW and the other custom wheel folks out there are setting the
trend by allowing folks to spec out their wheels and building them in a
modular style so you can upgrade or customize as you want or need to.
Good luck,
Sim
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> way up to a 14" NASCAR-style wheel.....with "quick connects" installed
> already! You'll also be able to order "modular" peddles (2 or 3 peddles)
> that can be bottom-hinged for F1 style open wheel racing and some sportscar
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> Houndog..... > > Why not put a "quick connect" device on your steering column (you can > purchase this at any racing equipment store).....so you can change from a > small wheel for GPL or open wheel sims.....to a large (14" or 15") for N4? > > Or......wait a couple more months and buy a BRD racing controller...they > will come with variable sized wheels....from a 10" F1 style wheel....allQuoted text (7 lines)
> racing sims....or overhead-hinged for stock car sims. Its really a > "complete package"...and everything is swappable and interchangeable (even > backward compatible.....lol...). > > Tom > >
Tom Pabst wrote:
>
> Or......wait a couple more months and buy a BRD racing controller...
Just had a quick look at their site, can't find anything new
there...well apart from those stupid replicas that only their corporate
customers can afford.
They also claim to be at the 'cutting edge' but, from what they show on
their site, it all looks two or five years old to me.
Do you have any insider info on there new stuff?
Do you know if they are still 'thick as thieves' with Bernie Ecclestone?
The last time I spoke to BRD they said they were planing, along with FIA
and Bernie, to implement some crappy live ghost mode, with telemetry
from the real F1 cars being hooked up to some future 'pay & play' F1
online 'simulator'.
Of course they told me it was a secret and not to tell anyone. They also
said that as a was one of their first customers I could test some of
their new products, as a kind of 'official' test driver. I accepted
eagerly and never heard from them again :(
Still, i'm not bitter.
Gerry
On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:16:11 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>Houndog.....
>
>Why not put a "quick connect" device on your steering column (you can
>purchase this at any racing equipment store).....so you can change from a
>small wheel for GPL or open wheel sims.....to a large (14" or 15") for N4?
I think an 18" to 20" wheel would be much better for NASCAR. Then you
could have a nap when you are drafting around daytona.
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"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Houndog.....
>
> Why not put a "quick connect" device on your steering column (you can
> purchase this at any racing equipment store).....so you can change from a
> small wheel for GPL or open wheel sims.....to a large (14" or 15") for N4?
>
> Or......wait a couple more months and buy a BRD racing controller...they
> will come with variable sized wheels....from a 10" F1 style wheel....all
the
> way up to a 14" NASCAR-style wheel.....with "quick connects" installed
> already! You'll also be able to order "modular" peddles (2 or 3 peddles)
> that can be bottom-hinged for F1 style open wheel racing and some sports
car
> racing sims....or overhead-hinged for stock car sims. Its really a
> "complete package"...and everything is swappable and interchangeable (even
> backward compatible.....lol...).
>
> Tom
>
>
Is there a URL to these???
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Just to get your opinion,
Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would
be best for NASCAR type games?
Raymond
ACT LABS
www.act-labs.com
On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
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>Hi all, > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > >Any comments that might help me make my decision? > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > >Jeff >Most of the wheels available today seem to be about 10" in diameter. I
think a 12-13" wheel would be better in terms of steering precision and yet
small enough to work with most computer desk setups.
Rick
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> Just to get your opinion, > > Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would > be best for NASCAR type games? > > Raymond > ACT LABS > www.act-labs.com > > > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > > >Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > > >Jeff > > >BIG!! - And "adjustable" on the seering-collum like in a racecar. :-D
It would be soooo nice to have a wheel that was "centered" down the
straights in N4.
Seriously, I reckon around 30cm or 12" diam. is about as big as you want to
go.. atleast I dont think I'd like a bigger wheel than that.
Ed Solheim
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> Just to get your opinion, > > Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would > be best for NASCAR type games? > > Raymond > ACT LABS > www.act-labs.com > > > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > > >Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > > >Jeff > > >Eh, I'd say 13" to 14"...
It would be great to have an option on the AL wheel to install whatever
wheel the user decided, but I don't know how that would affect the FF on the
Force wheels...
Thanks.
"Rick Fisk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Most of the wheels available today seem to be about 10" in diameter. I
> think a 12-13" wheel would be better in terms of steering precision andyet
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> small enough to work with most computer desk setups. > > Rick > > "Raymond, ACT LABS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Just to get your opinion, > > > > Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would > > be best for NASCAR type games? > > > > Raymond > > ACT LABS > > www.act-labs.com > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > > > > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > > > > >Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > > > > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > > > > >Jeff > > > > > > >Eh, I'd say 13" to 14"...
It would be great to have an option on the AL wheel to install whatever
wheel the user decided, but I don't know how that would affect the FF on the
Force wheels...
Thanks.
> Most of the wheels available today seem to be about 10" in diameter. I
> think a 12-13" wheel would be better in terms of steering precision and yet
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> small enough to work with most computer desk setups. > Rick > > Just to get your opinion, > > Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would > > be best for NASCAR type games? > > Raymond > > ACT LABS > > www.act-labs.com > > >Hi all, > > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > >Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > >JeffI'd love to have this 15" wheel
http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/prods/wkit02.html connected to my Act Labs
setup.
David Cook
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> Just to get your opinion, > > Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would > be best for NASCAR type games? > > Raymond > ACT LABS > www.act-labs.com > > > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > > >Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > > >Jeff > > > >>"Raymond, ACT LABS" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would
> be best for NASCAR type games?
Anything bigger then 15" is really the best imho if you use it extensively
in stock car titles. It still depends on the quality of the potentiometer.
I would really love a company that sells different steering wheels. Kinda
like the RS shifter gate idea, switching back between a D-shaped open-wheel
steering and a large Nascar wheel.
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As sensitive as the steering is in N4, even at 32:1, I have thought of doing
the same.
To the point of nylon-strapping a bigger wheel to my current one :)
If it weren't for the shift-paddle, I would have done it already.
-Larry
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> Hi all, > > I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > Jeff > >Well I did it, went from the 12" to a 14"
Feels great, wish I had done it sooner!
GPL runs great, I thought I might lose some here but actually gained. N4
handles better than ever also.
Jeff
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> As sensitive as the steering is in N4, even at 32:1, I have thought ofdoing
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> the same. > > To the point of nylon-strapping a bigger wheel to my current one :) > > If it weren't for the shift-paddle, I would have done it already. > > -Larry > > "Houndog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ch107.924$[email hidden]... > > Hi all, > > > > I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > > > More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > > > Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > > > I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > > > Jeff > > > > > >That's cool. Do you think you could send me a digital picture of your
set-up?
Raymond
ACT LABS
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:40:44 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]>
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>Well I did it, went from the 12" to a 14" > >Feels great, wish I had done it sooner! > >GPL runs great, I thought I might lose some here but actually gained. N4 >handles better than ever also. > >Jeff > >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:SV%17.92375$[email hidden]... >> As sensitive as the steering is in N4, even at 32:1, I have thought of >doing >> the same. >> >> To the point of nylon-strapping a bigger wheel to my current one :) >> >> If it weren't for the shift-paddle, I would have done it already. >> >> -Larry >> >> "Houndog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Ch107.924$[email hidden]... >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. >> > >> > More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. >> > >> > Any comments that might help me make my decision? >> > >> > I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> >> >Will do Raymond , I just need to borrow a digital camera or take a few and
scan them myself. Hopefully toward the end of this week I can get them done.
I would like to point out that I had the Act Labs RS wheel and shifter
previous to my building a wheel, it was my third wheel and the best retail I
have used. Support was excellent!
Jeff
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> That's cool. Do you think you could send me a digital picture of your > set-up? > > Raymond > ACT LABS > www.act-labs.com > > > > On Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:40:44 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Well I did it, went from the 12" to a 14" > > > >Feels great, wish I had done it sooner! > > > >GPL runs great, I thought I might lose some here but actually gained. N4 > >handles better than ever also. > > > >Jeff > > > >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:SV%17.92375$[email hidden]... > >> As sensitive as the steering is in N4, even at 32:1, I have thought of > >doing > >> the same. > >> > >> To the point of nylon-strapping a bigger wheel to my current one :) > >> > >> If it weren't for the shift-paddle, I would have done it already. > >> > >> -Larry > >> > >> "Houndog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:Ch107.924$[email hidden]... > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > >> > > >> > More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > >> > > >> > Any comments that might help me make my decision? > >> > > >> > I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > >> > > >> > Jeff > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >I wouldn't go larger than 10". I've got a feeling that everyone who looking
for 14" will would be disappointed if they actually had one. It throws off
your steering precision. Your hand travels further for the same amount of
input, so you need quicker reflexes. You'd also need more points of
resolution for an equal amount of precision as a smaller wheel provides.
I've done some experimenting with this, and although it looks good, a larger
wheel generally translates into longer lap times. There's a reason modern
race cars don't use the same size wheels as their old, vintage predecessors.
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> Just to get your opinion, > > Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would > be best for NASCAR type games? > > Raymond > ACT LABS > www.act-labs.com > > > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > > >Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > > >Jeff > > >My brother-in-law's 15" home-made wheel is the BEST wheel I have ever
used. It is VERY precise, it blows away any thing I have ever used. He
used gears to over drive the pot, so small movements make the pot move
more than one would expect. He use a 15" Grant wheel. Now maybe
install a larger wheel on an existing production wheel may cause
problems.
SLG
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>I wouldn't go larger than 10". I've got a feeling that everyone who looking >for 14" will would be disappointed if they actually had one. It throws off >your steering precision. Your hand travels further for the same amount of >input, so you need quicker reflexes. You'd also need more points of >resolution for an equal amount of precision as a smaller wheel provides. >I've done some experimenting with this, and although it looks good, a larger >wheel generally translates into longer lap times. There's a reason modern >race cars don't use the same size wheels as their old, vintage predecessors. > > > >"Raymond, ACT LABS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Just to get your opinion, >> >> Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would >> be best for NASCAR type games? >> >> Raymond >> ACT LABS >> www.act-labs.com >> >> >> >> On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Hi all, >> > >> >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. >> > >> >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. >> > >> >Any comments that might help me make my decision? >> > >> >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. >> > >> >Jeff >> > >> > >Why not 20" Bus steering wheel then Or 22" 18-wheeler steering wheels?
Even MBTR uses small steering wheels. You'd think a 22" wheel would be
right at home in a big rig :)
"Thom j." wrote:
>
> Why not 20" Bus steering wheel then Or 22" 18-wheeler steering wheels?
Actually the larger the wheel the more precise the steering.
I have gone from a 10" retail to a home made 12" which I upgraded to a 14"
On a track like Daytona or even Watkins Glen I have more control. Can't
knock a bigger wheel until you have the opportunity to try one.
Jeff
"GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I wouldn't go larger than 10". I've got a feeling that everyone wholooking
> for 14" will would be disappointed if they actually had one. It throws off
> your steering precision. Your hand travels further for the same amount of
> input, so you need quicker reflexes. You'd also need more points of
> resolution for an equal amount of precision as a smaller wheel provides.
> I've done some experimenting with this, and although it looks good, alarger
> wheel generally translates into longer lap times. There's a reason modern
> race cars don't use the same size wheels as their old, vintagepredecessors.
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> > > > "Raymond, ACT LABS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Just to get your opinion, > > > > Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would > > be best for NASCAR type games? > > > > Raymond > > ACT LABS > > www.act-labs.com > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > > > > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > > > > >Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > > > > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > > > > >Jeff > > > > > > >I can see where over driving the pot would make up for the difference in a
large wheel. The only problem you get into then, with mass produced, retail
wheels, is that you need to limit the arc (steering sweep) or you'll spin
the pot past it's limit. A 180� sweep with a 9.5 or 10" wheel is good.
Narrowing the sweep to 120� or so may not feel natural.
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"Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> My brother-in-law's 15" home-made wheel is the BEST wheel I have ever
> used. It is VERY precise, it blows away any thing I have ever used. He
> used gears to over drive the pot, so small movements make the pot move
> more than one would expect. He use a 15" Grant wheel. Now maybe
> install a larger wheel on an existing production wheel may cause
> problems.
>
> SLG
>
>
> "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I wouldn't go larger than 10". I've got a feeling that everyone who
looking
> >for 14" will would be disappointed if they actually had one. It throws
off
> >your steering precision. Your hand travels further for the same amount of
> >input, so you need quicker reflexes. You'd also need more points of
> >resolution for an equal amount of precision as a smaller wheel provides.
> >I've done some experimenting with this, and although it looks good, a
larger
> >wheel generally translates into longer lap times. There's a reason modern
> >race cars don't use the same size wheels as their old, vintage
predecessors.
> >
> >
> >
> >"Raymond, ACT LABS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> Just to get your opinion,
> >>
> >> Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would
> >> be best for NASCAR type games?
> >>
> >> Raymond
> >> ACT LABS
> >> www.act-labs.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi all,
> >> >
> >> >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel.
> >> >
> >> >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel.
> >> >
> >> >Any comments that might help me make my decision?
> >> >
> >> >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also.
> >> >
> >> >Jeff
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
> and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
> due to too many English classes/teachers)
>
>
> Actually the larger the wheel the more precise the steering.
That just doesn't make any sense. In computer racing you're spreading out
the points of resolution so much that your hands need to cover a greater
distance just to reach the next point. Nothing is read between the points.
In the real world, I'm sure a lot of F1 drivers would like to hear your
theory. They've been headed in the wrong direction all these years.
In Nascar, the cars are heavier and maybe a larger wheel is needed for
leverage. Or, maybe there's a Nascar rule for steering wheel size that I
haven't heard of yet. I'm not sure.
>Can't knock a bigger wheel until you have the opportunity to try one.
I've experimented with several sizes on a few different retail wheels. I
routed a disc out of 3/8" plywood and used a 1 1/2" flexible, plastic pipe
(well pipe from our construction sites) cut the full length so it would fit
over the plywood disc as the rim. Without getting into a lot of unnecessary
detail, after each driving experiment (several games on several tracks with
several settings) I re-routed the disc to a 1" smaller diameter until I was
finally down to 11". In each case, the smaller wheel performed better. I
also got better, more consistent lap times when I put the smaller LWFF wheel
on the Act Labs Force RS, and there isn't much difference in the diameter.
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"Houndog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Actually the larger the wheel the more precise the steering.
>
> I have gone from a 10" retail to a home made 12" which I upgraded to a 14"
>
> On a track like Daytona or even Watkins Glen I have more control. Can't
> knock a bigger wheel until you have the opportunity to try one.
>
> Jeff
>
> "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:X4337.24049$[email hidden]...
> > I wouldn't go larger than 10". I've got a feeling that everyone who
> looking
> > for 14" will would be disappointed if they actually had one. It throws
off
> > your steering precision. Your hand travels further for the same amount
of
> > input, so you need quicker reflexes. You'd also need more points of
> > resolution for an equal amount of precision as a smaller wheel provides.
> > I've done some experimenting with this, and although it looks good, a
> larger
> > wheel generally translates into longer lap times. There's a reason
modern
> > race cars don't use the same size wheels as their old, vintage
> predecessors.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Raymond, ACT LABS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > Just to get your opinion,
> > >
> > > Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they think would
> > > be best for NASCAR type games?
> > >
> > > Raymond
> > > ACT LABS
> > > www.act-labs.com
> > >
> > >
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> > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]>
> > > wrote:
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> > > >Hi all,
> > > >
> > > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel.
> > > >
> > > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel.
> > > >
> > > >Any comments that might help me make my decision?
> > > >
> > > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also.
> > > >
> > > >Jeff
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My wheel (home made) has 270 egress of rotation, no room to overdrive the
poentiometer.
You have to look at it this way... with your hand on the outside of the
wheel your hand moves further on a bigger wheel. Because your hand will move
further on a bigger wheel and the pot moves the same for any size wheel on
the same setup the steering is more precise. The 'dead' points in between
are what helps limit tire squeal and leads to faster laps.
Some people like smaller wheels and tight steering locks, I find I can
manage my tires better with a bigger wheel and higher lock.
I recognize the url in your sig, I guess I owe you alot of thanks for the
Act-Labs pedal tweak. I went for the 2nd stage... very noticeable
difference. On the wheel itself I had a mild steel sleeve made and a brass
bushing to fit inside. The 'pot holder' fits snuggly inside the brass
bushing which really stiffened up the wheel (RS not FF).
Respectful of your preference.. but still prefer a larger wheel, Jeff
"GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Actually the larger the wheel the more precise the steering.
>
> That just doesn't make any sense. In computer racing you're spreading out
> the points of resolution so much that your hands need to cover a greater
> distance just to reach the next point. Nothing is read between thepoints.
fit
> over the plywood disc as the rim. Without getting into a lot ofunnecessary
> detail, after each driving experiment (several games on several trackswith
> several settings) I re-routed the disc to a 1" smaller diameter until Iwas
> finally down to 11". In each case, the smaller wheel performed better. I
> also got better, more consistent lap times when I put the smaller LWFFwheel
14"
provides.
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> > In the real world, I'm sure a lot of F1 drivers would like to hear your > theory. They've been headed in the wrong direction all these years. > > In Nascar, the cars are heavier and maybe a larger wheel is needed for > leverage. Or, maybe there's a Nascar rule for steering wheel size that I > haven't heard of yet. I'm not sure. > > >Can't knock a bigger wheel until you have the opportunity to try one. > > I've experimented with several sizes on a few different retail wheels. I > routed a disc out of 3/8" plywood and used a 1 1/2" flexible, plastic pipe > (well pipe from our construction sites) cut the full length so it wouldQuoted text (14 lines)
> on the Act Labs Force RS, and there isn't much difference in the diameter. > > > -- > Slot > > Tweaks & Reviews > www.slottweak.com > > "Houndog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:43637.2582$[email hidden]... > > Actually the larger the wheel the more precise the steering. > > > > I have gone from a 10" retail to a home made 12" which I upgraded to aQuoted text (16 lines)
> > > > On a track like Daytona or even Watkins Glen I have more control. Can't > > knock a bigger wheel until you have the opportunity to try one. > > > > Jeff > > > > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:X4337.24049$[email hidden]... > > > I wouldn't go larger than 10". I've got a feeling that everyone who > > looking > > > for 14" will would be disappointed if they actually had one. It throws > off > > > your steering precision. Your hand travels further for the same amount > of > > > input, so you need quicker reflexes. You'd also need more points of > > > resolution for an equal amount of precision as a smaller wheelQuoted text (14 lines)
> > > I've done some experimenting with this, and although it looks good, a > > larger > > > wheel generally translates into longer lap times. There's a reason > modern > > > race cars don't use the same size wheels as their old, vintage > > predecessors. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Raymond, ACT LABS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Just to get your opinion, > > > > > > > > Can I take a small litttle survey of what size wheel they thinkQuoted text (30 lines)
> > > > be best for NASCAR type games? > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > ACT LABS > > > > www.act-labs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:27:14 GMT, "Houndog" <[email hidden]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > > > > > >I have a homemade wheel/pedal setup with a 12" Grant wheel. > > > > > > > > > >More than once I have thought about going to a 14 or 15" wheel. > > > > > > > > > >Any comments that might help me make my decision? > > > > > > > > > >I mostly play N4 but drive a bit of GPL also. > > > > > > > > > >Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That's what I want!
-Larry
"GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I wouldn't go larger than 10". I've got a feeling that everyone wholooking
> for 14" will would be disappointed if they actually had one. It throws off
> your steering precision. Your hand travels further for the same amount of
> input, so you need quicker reflexes. You'd also need more points of
> resolution for an equal amount of precision as a smaller wheel provides.
> I've done some experimenting with this, and although it looks good, alarger
> wheel generally translates into longer lap times. There's a reason modern
> race cars don't use the same size wheels as their old, vintagepredecessors.
