N4 - LPI

I wonder how the LPI is calculated. After doing two error-free 16 lappers at Indy, my LPI rose by 3 or 4 from 41.something or 42.something to 45.1. After doing a 32-lapper with one spin in lap 11 (no one else involved and I continued the race, obviously) the LPI dropped by 4 to 41.1. Unfair!! <g> Especially since most accidents I had in all previous races were caused by intentional wreckers, grrrr... <g> Achim

In article <9kk917$52fra$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I wonder how the LPI is calculated. > > After doing two error-free 16 lappers at Indy, my LPI rose by 3 or 4 from > 41.something or 42.something to 45.1. After doing a 32-lapper with one spin > in lap 11 (no one else involved and I continued the race, obviously) the LPI > dropped by 4 to 41.1. Unfair!! <g> I understand it's an incident that would have brought out the yellow flag (if yellow flags have been disabled in the race) I've had about 5 pickup races and my LPI is 17.1. Every race I've been in I've been either wrecked intentionally or collided with someone that has been wrecked. I've even been taken out before the start. The last race I had at Tally, last lap and leading on the last corner, a backmarker was drafting me, went below the white line and spun me into the wall. I believe the LPI should be calculated if you were in the original incident that would have caused a yellow. It's a little unfair to be penalised if half the field has spun infront of you and you clip one on the way through and spin. I'm a very clean racer, but when they see my LPI they think I'm a wrecker. Yet, I've never had a race where I've been taken out where I wasn't the instigator. (at least a race on sierra.com) Cheers, Rod.

So does anyone know the e-mail to send replays to???? I have a couple of a known wrecker.....blatant as heck.... (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

You're lucky your CD key hasn't been banned, mine was and I'm in about the same boat as you :-( I always raced clean and sometimes you get caught up in others wrecks and wind up losing LPIs. "Rod Prince" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.15d86362a3bf8f7e989960@news-server... > In article <9kk917$52fra$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > > I wonder how the LPI is calculated. > > > > After doing two error-free 16 lappers at Indy, my LPI rose by 3 or 4from > > 41.something or 42.something to 45.1. After doing a 32-lapper with onespin > > in lap 11 (no one else involved and I continued the race, obviously) theLPI

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> > dropped by 4 to 41.1. Unfair!! <g> > > I understand it's an incident that would have brought out the yellow > flag (if yellow flags have been disabled in the race) > > I've had about 5 pickup races and my LPI is 17.1. Every race I've been > in I've been either wrecked intentionally or collided with someone that > has been wrecked. I've even been taken out before the start. > > The last race I had at Tally, last lap and leading on the last corner, > a backmarker was drafting me, went below the white line and spun me > into the wall. > > I believe the LPI should be calculated if you were in the original > incident that would have caused a yellow. It's a little unfair to be > penalised if half the field has spun infront of you and you clip one > on the way through and spin. > > I'm a very clean racer, but when they see my LPI they think I'm a > wrecker. Yet, I've never had a race where I've been taken out where > I wasn't the instigator. (at least a race on sierra.com) > > Cheers, > Rod.

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> You're lucky your CD key hasn't been banned, mine was and I'm in about the > same boat as you :-( > I always raced clean and sometimes you get caught up in others wrecks and > wind up losing LPIs. > > > "Rod Prince" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MPG.15d86362a3bf8f7e989960@news-server... > > In article <9kk917$52fra$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > says... > > > > > I wonder how the LPI is calculated. > > > > > > After doing two error-free 16 lappers at Indy, my LPI rose by 3 or 4 > from > > > 41.something or 42.something to 45.1. After doing a 32-lapper with one > spin > > > in lap 11 (no one else involved and I continued the race, obviously)

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> LPI > > > dropped by 4 to 41.1. Unfair!! <g> > > > > I understand it's an incident that would have brought out the yellow > > flag (if yellow flags have been disabled in the race) > > > > I've had about 5 pickup races and my LPI is 17.1. Every race I've been > > in I've been either wrecked intentionally or collided with someone that > > has been wrecked. I've even been taken out before the start. > > > > The last race I had at Tally, last lap and leading on the last corner, > > a backmarker was drafting me, went below the white line and spun me > > into the wall. > > > > I believe the LPI should be calculated if you were in the original > > incident that would have caused a yellow. It's a little unfair to be > > penalised if half the field has spun infront of you and you clip one > > on the way through and spin. > > > > I'm a very clean racer, but when they see my LPI they think I'm a > > wrecker. Yet, I've never had a race where I've been taken out where > > I wasn't the instigator. (at least a race on sierra.com) > > > > Cheers, > > Rod. > >

Just to continue the story, just did 16 clean laps at Indy, LPI up by 1 !! So why does 32 laps with one accident reduce my LPI by 4, but 16 clean laps only increase it by one? :-) Achim "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9kk917$52fra$[email hidden]... > I wonder how the LPI is calculated. > > After doing two error-free 16 lappers at Indy, my LPI rose by 3 or 4 from > 41.something or 42.something to 45.1. After doing a 32-lapper with onespin > in lap 11 (no one else involved and I continued the race, obviously) theLPI

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> dropped by 4 to 41.1. Unfair!! <g> > > Especially since most accidents I had in all previous races were caused by > intentional wreckers, grrrr... <g> > > Achim > >

An 'incident' is counted as any situation involving your car that would cause a yellow flag, so if you spin all on your own and it brings out or would bring out a yellow if they are off it is counted as an 'incident'. Then it's just: laps done / incidents. Alex "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9kk917$52fra$[email hidden]... > I wonder how the LPI is calculated. > > After doing two error-free 16 lappers at Indy, my LPI rose by 3 or 4 from > 41.something or 42.something to 45.1. After doing a 32-lapper with onespin > in lap 11 (no one else involved and I continued the race, obviously) theLPI

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> dropped by 4 to 41.1. Unfair!! <g> > > Especially since most accidents I had in all previous races were caused by > intentional wreckers, grrrr... <g> > > Achim > >

Rod Prince wrote... > Yet, I've never had a race where I've been taken out where > I wasn't the instigator. Hmmmm...I believe you meant "I've never had a race where I've been taken out where I WAS the instigator"...not "wasn't".

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes: > Just to continue the story, just did 16 clean laps at Indy, LPI up by 1 !! > So why does 32 laps with one accident reduce my LPI by 4, but 16 clean laps > only increase it by one? :-) Mathematics. It's calcultated by number of laps done divided by number of incidents. With one more incident the number is falling more if you have few incidents before that, but with many incidents it doesn't fall much. Of course it's the other way too, that with few incidents the lpi rises rapidly, but with many it's hard work. I think i got some 40+ incidents now, most of them caused by wreckers and bad drivers, and keeping the lpi over 30 requires a lot of laps. What I really want to see is a timestamp on the incidents, and that after so and so many laps, or weeks they get erased, since most of us have more incidents when we started racing but fewer now. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

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> Rod Prince wrote... > > > Yet, I've never had a race where I've been taken out where > > I wasn't the instigator. > > Hmmmm...I believe you meant "I've never had a race where I've been taken out > where I WAS the instigator"...not "wasn't".

Oops, yes. Thanks for the correction. ;) Cheers, Rod.

In article <9kkomp$51791$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes: >Just to continue the story, just did 16 clean laps at Indy, LPI up by 1 !! >So why does 32 laps with one accident reduce my LPI by 4, but 16 clean laps >only increase it by one? :-) > >Achim To provide a greater penalty for wrecking, so most people AVOID wrecks...? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Until they come up with a way to differentiate "incidents caused" and "incidents suffered - for whatever reason besides your own stupidity", I think it is a relatively meaningless statistic. Olav does make an interesting point, though. Since the ratings take only your last 10 races or so, why shouldn't the LPI? Perhaps it should be an average, rather than an absolute number. Theoretically, someone could enter a server as a new driver, drive a 1/2 length race where there are no incidents (say in a league or something) and have a LPI of 100 or so. Whereas the average driver who has driven hundreds of laps on pick-up servers is probably down around 20 or so. Meaningless. With the risk of out profiles looking like the back of a baseball card, we need more data... It would be nice if the ratings were track-specific, too. I know if all I do is race SS's it steadily climbs, but a few races at someplace like Richmond or Darlington where it is really hard to find a race ranked other than 0-10, and it steadily tanks. Gerald [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes: > What I really want to see is a timestamp on the incidents, and that > after so and so many laps, or weeks they get erased, since most of us > have more incidents when we started racing but fewer now.

Hi Eldred, > To provide a greater penalty for wrecking, so most people AVOID wrecks...? Could be :-) Achim

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>Olav does make an interesting point, though. Since the ratings take >only your last 10 races or so, why shouldn't the LPI? Perhaps it >should be an average, rather than an absolute number. Theoretically, >someone could enter a server as a new driver, drive a 1/2 length race >where there are no incidents (say in a league or something) and have a >LPI of 100 or so. Whereas the average driver who has driven hundreds >of laps on pick-up servers is probably down around 20 or so. >Meaningless. With the risk of out profiles looking like the back of a >baseball card, we need more data... > >It would be nice if the ratings were track-specific, too. I know if >all I do is race SS's it steadily climbs, but a few races at someplace >like Richmond or Darlington where it is really hard to find a race >ranked other than 0-10, and it steadily tanks.

Isn't it true that your rating is also determined by your PERFORMANCE in the races you enter? How well you finish compared to the skill levels of the other drivers racing, or something like that? So even if I run a full-length race and finish last, my skill rating will never go up even if I *never* hit anything? So, I guess I have to hope it goes like on VROC - people get pissed and disco, and I move up that way...<G> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Olav, What I think could also be an addendum to your suggestion but it might be too hard for the N4 online Sierra.com? Is a kind of a 'snap-shot' log type that could record the IC.. I now understand [which I didn't before] that *Any* incident that would bring out a Yellow is an 'IC' but it would be great to have a running log of all the wrecks as some are by warps too. jmhi :) btw: warping seems to becoming worse then wreckers lately?? I wonder if the band is starting to be "over-crowded" or something? "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: | What I really want to see is a timestamp on the incidents, and that | after so and so many laps, or weeks they get erased, since most of us | have more incidents when we started racing but fewer now. | -- | Olav K. Malmin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001

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>Subject: Re: N4 - LPI >From: "GBB" [email hidden] >Date: 08/05/2001 8:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <2Elb7.226450$[email hidden]> > >An 'incident' is counted as any situation involving your car that would >cause a yellow flag, so if you spin all on your own and it brings out or >would bring out a yellow if they are off it is counted as an 'incident'. >Then it's just: laps done / incidents. >

Someone suggested also that those "Post Checker" wreckum derbys that often occur are also counted. Possible I suppose that they count if there are still players who haven't taken the flag...but ever since I heard that I have made it a practice to get well out of harms way and avoid all of the silliness.... BY THE WAY.....If I were to have a replay to send to papy with documentation of a "wrecker" what address would I use. Someone suggested [email hidden] that came back undeliverable. The upload is about an hour on my 56k so I don't want to send to wrong address again. Thanks DB (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

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>Subject: Re: N4 - LPI >From: "Joachim Trensz" [email hidden] >Date: 08/05/2001 8:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <9kkomp$51791$[email hidden]> > >Just to continue the story, just did 16 clean laps at Indy, LPI up by 1 !! >So why does 32 laps with one accident reduce my LPI by 4, but 16 clean laps >only increase it by one? :-) > >Achim >

Just curious as to whether you are involved in any of the"Post Race festivities"?????? Have heard that some of this MAY count towards LPI. Not sure but might be a good idea to avoid it. Also you may have been involved in something that you were unaware of.....due to bad warp on someones part. Perhaps the server saw you make contact that you didn't even know happened. Often a car will warp out for a long time.....the server might see both and you may see nobody.....if the other party gets punted by you and the server sees it.....you get another notch in the old LPI belt. Again I am also inquiring as to the address to send replay to papy of wrecker documentation. Thanks DB (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

According to what I have read, everything you say makes sense. You would have a really high LPI and a 0 rating, assuming no one else DNF's or goes down many laps. The odds of not getting involved in an incident in pickup races is pretty damned low, though, especially on the 0-10 servers or at tracks that require any sort of braking, which is why I don't really find LPI meaningful, especially as implemented. Gerald Moore [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> Isn't it true that your rating is also determined by your PERFORMANCE in the > races you enter? How well you finish compared to the skill levels of the other > drivers racing, or something like that? So even if I run a full-length race > and finish last, my skill rating will never go up even if I *never* hit > anything? So, I guess I have to hope it goes like on VROC - people get pissed > and disco, and I move up that way...<G> > > Eldred

Hi DB, I don't do any crash feasts after finishing <g> but of course, the warping could have happened. I tend to have good connects (ADSL), but you never know. As for the address, there is no such address for the general public. From what I understand there are people who are monitoring races, and there are drivers who got banned. But it isn't done on a complaint-and-replay-checking basis. Achim "PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Subject: Re: N4 - LPI > >From: "Joachim Trensz" [email hidden] > >Date: 08/05/2001 8:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time > >Message-id: <9kkomp$51791$[email hidden]> > > > >Just to continue the story, just did 16 clean laps at Indy, LPI up by 1!! > >So why does 32 laps with one accident reduce my LPI by 4, but 16 cleanlaps

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> >only increase it by one? :-) > > > >Achim > > > > Just curious as to whether you are involved in any of the"Post Race > festivities"?????? Have heard that some of this MAY count towards LPI.

Not > sure but might be a good idea to avoid it. Also you may have beeninvolved in > something that you were unaware of.....due to bad warp on someones part. > Perhaps the server saw you make contact that you didn't even knowhappened. > Often a car will warp out for a long time.....the server might see bothand you > may see nobody.....if the other party gets punted by you and the serversees > it.....you get another notch in the old LPI belt. > > Again I am also inquiring as to the address to send replay to papy ofwrecker

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> documentation. > > Thanks > > DB > > > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) >

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>According to what I have read, everything you say makes sense. You >would have a really high LPI and a 0 rating, assuming no one else >DNF's or goes down many laps. > >The odds of not getting involved in an incident in pickup races is >pretty damned low, though, especially on the 0-10 servers or at tracks >that require any sort of braking, which is why I don't really find LPI >meaningful, especially as implemented.

Well, I *still* can't get online in N4. Slide-show. Anyone got any other ideas...? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I believe that those incidents count as well. I blew an engine just as I crossed the finish line. The guy drafting me plowed right into my car, my rating went NEGATIVE from an otherwise clean race. dave henrie "PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Subject: Re: N4 - LPI > >From: "Joachim Trensz" [email hidden] > >Date: 08/05/2001 8:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time > >Message-id: <9kkomp$51791$[email hidden]> > > > >Just to continue the story, just did 16 clean laps at Indy, LPI up by 1!! > >So why does 32 laps with one accident reduce my LPI by 4, but 16 cleanlaps

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> >only increase it by one? :-) > > > >Achim > > > > Just curious as to whether you are involved in any of the"Post Race > festivities"?????? Have heard that some of this MAY count towards LPI.

Not > sure but might be a good idea to avoid it. Also you may have beeninvolved in > something that you were unaware of.....due to bad warp on someones part. > Perhaps the server saw you make contact that you didn't even knowhappened. > Often a car will warp out for a long time.....the server might see bothand you > may see nobody.....if the other party gets punted by you and the serversees > it.....you get another notch in the old LPI belt. > > Again I am also inquiring as to the address to send replay to papy ofwrecker

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> documentation. > > Thanks > > DB > > > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) >

leave a post on the sierra.com N4 forums. They may give you an address there, But I really doubt if they will, they would be FLOODED with replays. Got any cash to pay the poor sods who would have to muddle through them all? dave henrie "PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Subject: Re: N4 - LPI > >From: "GBB" [email hidden] > >Date: 08/05/2001 8:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time > >Message-id: <2Elb7.226450$[email hidden]> > > > >An 'incident' is counted as any situation involving your car that would > >cause a yellow flag, so if you spin all on your own and it brings out or > >would bring out a yellow if they are off it is counted as an 'incident'. > >Then it's just: laps done / incidents. > > > > Someone suggested also that those "Post Checker" wreckum derbys that often > occur are also counted. Possible I suppose that they count if there are

still > players who haven't taken the flag...but ever since I heard that I havemade it > a practice to get well out of harms way and avoid all of the silliness.... > > BY THE WAY.....If I were to have a replay to send to papy withdocumentation of > a "wrecker" what address would I use. Someone suggested [email hidden]that > came back undeliverable. The upload is about an hour on my 56k so I don'twant

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> to send to wrong address again. > > Thanks > > DB > > > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) >

lol@eldred. just start last all the time in long races Eldred and then let even the honest accident wrecks happen and soon you will come from 43rd to 14th or above. fact..lol "EldredP" wrote: | Isn't it true that your rating is also determined by your PERFORMANCE inthe | races you enter? How well you finish compared to the skill levels of theother | drivers racing, or something like that? So even if I run a full-lengthrace | and finish last, my skill rating will never go up even if I *never* hit | anything? So, I guess I have to hope it goes like on VROC - people getpissed | and disco, and I move up that way...<G> | | Eldred --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/19/2001

Me? I've given up on trying to get the LPI up. Last time trying: Found a 20 lap Daytona race with a 4 rating, looked like a good bunch of racers, (Wreakers must have been all safely tucked into their cribs, 4am). Poled 14th outa 20 or so. Allot of warping, (Just because the host has "Cable" doesn't mean 20 car race will be warp free). No Melee on the first lap, and avoided the 2nd & 3rd lap Hotlapper spins. By the 5th lap, "Big Wreak" (rest of the hotlappers,,, LOL) went from 14th to 7th. Found a good drafting partner and by the 14th lap was in 3rd. Didn't try to challenge 2nd for rest of the race, because of "The Warp". I was just happy to be in third, remember this was to get the LPI back up. On the 20th lap, 1st gets taken out by the 8th place car going out of turn 4, (Don't know if it was payback for an earlier incident). 2nd and I are 2 seconds behind. 2nd panics and heads for the grass, I go to the apron, (Never listen to that Damn Spotter,,, he he). I get 2nd at the start/finish line .110 behind 1st. 1st comes back up on the track from grass and swerve's to wall in front of me, comes back down an clips me, (I'm in the low groove to the right of line slowing). Guess he was headed for the grass/chat area to thank me for being a good draft partner. I spin to the grass and in my "What the fook" state, rocket up to the wall just outside turn one. Then 6th and 11th place cars get into each other avoiding the original 8th & 1st incident out of turn 4. Their outta control after start/finish avoiding the winner coming off the wall and one of them baffo's me in the rear end as I'm getting things straightened out to head back to the pits. BIG INCIDENT ! (Yea I do things like in the real races, "Head to the pits" when race ends). That's it, LPI out the window, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. oh well. Anyone at Papy wanna see my BS009 or WrongWay1 replays? -- R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE 2/25/52 - 7/2/2000