N4 In-car view

Is it just me, or is the in-car view have a smaller & smaller window with each version of Papy's Nascar series? I don't see why I need to see under the dashboard! I'd prefer an in-car view where the window takes up more than a measley 1/4 of the screen. To me it looks like I'm seated in the back-seat with a 6 foot steering column. I've only seen the demo so far... are there any other in-car views that I'm missing? or an option to move fwd & backward in the cockpit (like in SODA)? I'm wanting to like N4, but the view and the "turn-right-to-go-straight-realism" are turning me off.

You are correct, the view does seem to be getting smaller. I don't know if it's a trying to be more realistic approach or for the sake of fps, or a combination of both. Don Burnette "Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NOZf7.359$[email hidden]... > Is it just me, or is the in-car view have a smaller & smaller window with > each version of Papy's Nascar series? I don't see why I need to see under > the dashboard! I'd prefer an in-car view where the window takes up more > than a measley 1/4 of the screen. To me it looks like I'm seated in the > back-seat with a 6 foot steering column. I've only seen the demo sofar... > are there any other in-car views that I'm missing? or an option to movefwd > & backward in the cockpit (like in SODA)? I'm wanting to like N4, but the > view and the "turn-right-to-go-straight-realism" are turning me off. > >

There is a LOVELY patch for all you types who don't want a realistic sim. It's called Nascar Racing 3. Go get it..Straighten your wheel to your hearts content. dave henrie "Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NOZf7.359$[email hidden]... > Is it just me, or is the in-car view have a smaller & smaller window with > each version of Papy's Nascar series? I don't see why I need to see under > the dashboard! I'd prefer an in-car view where the window takes up more > than a measley 1/4 of the screen. To me it looks like I'm seated in the > back-seat with a 6 foot steering column. I've only seen the demo sofar... > are there any other in-car views that I'm missing? or an option to movefwd > & backward in the cockpit (like in SODA)? I'm wanting to like N4, but the > view and the "turn-right-to-go-straight-realism" are turning me off. > >

Ever sit in a cup car? the veiw is pretty damn close to real. the pull is realistic, you dont want realistic, dont buy a simulation. :-)

I thought the hood in Nascar Heat was a different approach. Any ideas for this in N4. Barney

Or you can drive in Arcade mode which I hear is just a N3 physics port. Or you can use a symmetrical setup so the car doesn't pull left (won't turn left very well either though) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hK_f7.37787$[email hidden]... > There is a LOVELY patch for all you types who don't want a realisticsim. > It's called Nascar Racing 3. Go get it..Straighten your wheel to your > hearts content. > dave henrie

>Is it just me, or is the in-car view have a smaller & smaller window with >each version of Papy's Nascar series? I don't see why I need to see under Is it just me or has this situation been hammered into submission numerous times. Solve the problem the way I did. Buy a 21" monitor. Sound not to your liking? Solve it the way I did. Buy an SB Live Platinum with a Cambridge Soundworks 5.1 speaker system. Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com

Thank you for the helpful words. Is it so much to ask for a different in-car view? For Pete's sake there 3 or 4 arcade out-of-body-experience views included in N4! "Mike G. Main" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b809688$[email hidden]...

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> Ever sit in a cup car? > > the veiw is pretty damn close to real. > > the pull is realistic, you dont want realistic, dont buy a simulation. > > :-) > >

c'mon, lighten up. Prop flying sims often have options to turn off the engine torque effect. That's all I want, an option to turn it on/off. Otherwise I prefer the physics of N4 to other Nascar sims I've tried. Besides I do not recall any broadcast of real Nascar drivers where the in-car view showed them with the wheel turned to the right when going straight. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hK_f7.37787$[email hidden]... > There is a LOVELY patch for all you types who don't want a realisticsim. > It's called Nascar Racing 3. Go get it..Straighten your wheel to your > hearts content. > dave henrie > >

"Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> writes: > c'mon, lighten up. Prop flying sims often have options to turn off the > engine torque effect. That's all I want, an option to turn it on/off. > Otherwise I prefer the physics of N4 to other Nascar sims I've tried. > Besides I do not recall any broadcast of real Nascar drivers where the > in-car view showed them with the wheel turned to the right when going > straight. There should be an option to put the wheel on a bit to the right so that holding the wheel straight would bring the car stragiht, however, then you would have to steer a bit sideways when going down a flat pitlane. This is a feature so incorporated into the simulation that you can't just turn it off.

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> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hK_f7.37787$[email hidden]... > > There is a LOVELY patch for all you types who don't want a realistic > sim. > > It's called Nascar Racing 3. Go get it..Straighten your wheel to your > > hearts content. > > dave henrie > > > > > >

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It's just an old topic Gary, Dale Earnhardt jr has stated online and elsewhere that the 'pull' is realistic. That is what WC drivers deal with everyday. From what I understand, although I don't have any direct info, the WC drivers often place their wheels on the spindle so that the dead-ahead straight up tape marker would be off to the leftt, They still have the pull, but this gives them the illusion of driving straight. Somebody was going to work on a graphic patch that canted the incar wheel like that but I never heard if he got that done. Larry used to swear up and down around here about this, saying the non-force feedback users were getting a raw deal. I've been using both a FF and Non FF wheel and while each takes some time to become acclimated, after a time you almost don't notice the wheel posisiton. Laps and more laps is the quickest way to get adjusted. good luck dave henrie "Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Xs6g7.240$[email hidden]...

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> c'mon, lighten up. Prop flying sims often have options to turn off the > engine torque effect. That's all I want, an option to turn it on/off. > Otherwise I prefer the physics of N4 to other Nascar sims I've tried. > Besides I do not recall any broadcast of real Nascar drivers where the > in-car view showed them with the wheel turned to the right when going > straight. > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hK_f7.37787$[email hidden]... > > There is a LOVELY patch for all you types who don't want a realistic > sim. > > It's called Nascar Racing 3. Go get it..Straighten your wheel to your > > hearts content. > > dave henrie > > > > > >

Gary, This is what I use for modified in-car view and may be what you're looking for. http://www.bhmotorsports.com/n4_utilities/sd_cockpit.zip As for the steering wheel pull, you can adjust a lot of it out by modifying your setup, however after you run a few laps I think you'll find yourself pushing badly through the turns. Try turning off the in-car steering wheel, and you'll probably get used to the pull after mucho laps. Bob Gary Wampler wrote:

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> Is it just me, or is the in-car view have a smaller & smaller window with > each version of Papy's Nascar series? I don't see why I need to see under > the dashboard! I'd prefer an in-car view where the window takes up more > than a measley 1/4 of the screen. To me it looks like I'm seated in the > back-seat with a 6 foot steering column. I've only seen the demo so far... > are there any other in-car views that I'm missing? or an option to move fwd > & backward in the cockpit (like in SODA)? I'm wanting to like N4, but the > view and the "turn-right-to-go-straight-realism" are turning me off.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:24:18 -0400, "Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> wrote: >c'mon, lighten up. Prop flying sims often have options to turn off the >engine torque effect. That's all I want, an option to turn it on/off. >Otherwise I prefer the physics of N4 to other Nascar sims I've tried. >Besides I do not recall any broadcast of real Nascar drivers where the >in-car view showed them with the wheel turned to the right when going >straight. What kind of wheel are you using? With a non-FF wheel the left pull is annoying, but on a FF wheel you don't notice it much at all for some reason. It's still there, but feels much more subtle.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:38:44 GMT, [email hidden] (Dave Casey) wrote: >Sound not to your liking? Solve it the way I did. Buy an SB Live Platinum >with a Cambridge Soundworks 5.1 speaker system. From all reviews and user comments I have read the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz has better sound quality, and no issues with VIA chipsets. I have a SB Live!, but thinking of moving over to the Santa Cruz because of the great reviews it gets.

SbLive works fine here but I use 4-Bose speakers-2 Bose SubWoofers :) "Dave Casey" wrote: | >Is it just me, or is the in-car view have a smaller & smaller window with | >each version of Papy's Nascar series? I don't see why I need to seeunder | | Is it just me or has this situation been hammered into submission numerous | times. Solve the problem the way I did. Buy a 21" monitor. | | Sound not to your liking? Solve it the way I did. Buy an SB LivePlatinum

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Realistically tho Mike, N4 is run on a flat or semi-flat 2D screen where as if you are in a "Real" Nascar car it is all 3D with 100% peripheral vision. Not so in N4 :)

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| "Mike G. Main" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:3b809688$[email hidden]... | > Ever sit in a cup car? | > | > the veiw is pretty damn close to real. | > | > the pull is realistic, you dont want realistic, dont buy a simulation. | > | > :-)

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Check out what N4 looks like in 3D. I think the effect makes it seem even more claustrophobic. It's really immersive seeing the wheel move towards your face when braking. Just cross your eyes to see the pictures in 3d. http://www.simracingmag.com/articles/hardware/01q3/stereo_11.shtml "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NYbg7.120570$[email hidden]... > Realistically tho Mike, N4 is run on a flat or semi-flat 2D screen > where as if you are in a "Real" Nascar car it is all 3D with 100% > peripheral vision. Not so in N4 :) >

Yeow Kirk!! Thats horrible! I havent been in a Nascar race-car for about 7+years now but I never remember that effect.. phew..lol "Kirk House" wrote:

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| Check out what N4 looks like in 3D. I think the effect makes it seem even | more claustrophobic. It's really immersive seeing the wheel move towards | your face when braking. Just cross your eyes to see the pictures in 3d. | http://www.simracingmag.com/articles/hardware/01q3/stereo_11.shtml | | "Thom j." wrote: | > Realistically tho Mike, N4 is run on a flat or semi-flat 2D screen | > where as if you are in a "Real" Nascar car it is all 3D with 100% | > peripheral vision. Not so in N4 :) | > | | |

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Thanks for posting the link. Yes, it's a great modified view. But when I tried it the sound is muffled (like with the original roof-cam) and the sound is off-center. Is that by design, or a prob with my cptr? "Bob Geddes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Gary, > > This is what I use for modified in-car view and may be what you're looking > for. http://www.bhmotorsports.com/n4_utilities/sd_cockpit.zip >

well, i was not trying to be mean to you :-) but, how many other in-car veiws would you like? lol as far as i know, everyone sits in the same place in every car in Winston Cup lol "Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ri6g7.237$[email hidden]...

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> Thank you for the helpful words. Is it so much to ask for a different > in-car view? For Pete's sake there 3 or 4 arcade out-of-body-experience > views included in N4! > > "Mike G. Main" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3b809688$[email hidden]... > > Ever sit in a cup car? > > > > the veiw is pretty damn close to real. > > > > the pull is realistic, you dont want realistic, dont buy a simulation. > > > > :-) > > > > > >

>"Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> wrote > Is it just me, or is the in-car view have a smaller & smaller window with > each version of Papy's Nascar series? I don't see why I need to see under > the dashboard! I'd prefer an in-car view where the window takes up more > than a measley 1/4 of the screen. To me it looks like I'm seated in the > back-seat with a 6 foot steering column. I've only seen the demo sofar... > are there any other in-car views that I'm missing? or an option to movefwd > & backward in the cockpit (like in SODA)? I'm wanting to like N4, but the > view and the "turn-right-to-go-straight-realism" are turning me off. The view in Nascar Racing 4 is realistic. It's a realistic simulation of the current Winston Cup NASCAR season, therefore it has to have a realistic view that is as real as it is in real-life. LOL all those "real"'s make me dizzy ;-D The view is exactly the same as you would have if you sat in one of them WC cars. There is other alternatives to this view if you wish to have you experience a little less realistic. I really love that hood view, I can see it's utility for pickup online racing <G> (and that moving inside-view in the mirror is a nice touch). Finally, it would be very difficult to "edit" the N4 view because the virtual cockpit exists within it's own universe. It's not really in the game model but in it's own engine-reality. You could change the view, but it would totally change the aspect of the cockpit, showing parts of the 3d car polygon shape. At best you would need a complete 3d edit of the virtual cockpit, unless I'm wrong... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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>>Sound not to your liking? Solve it the way I did. Buy an SB Live Platinum >>with a Cambridge Soundworks 5.1 speaker system. > >From all reviews and user comments I have read the Turtle Beach Santa >Cruz has better sound quality, and no issues with VIA chipsets. I have >a SB Live!, but thinking of moving over to the Santa Cruz because of >the great reviews it gets.

I have the SB setup I listed above and have not had one single problem with it. It installed and ran the first day I got it. I went from an onboard chip and two measley little speakers to this setup and the first time I floored it in N4 I thought I was going to wet my pants. ;o) Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com

>Thank you for the helpful words. Is it so much to ask for a different >in-car view? For Pete's sake there 3 or 4 arcade out-of-body-experience >views included in N4! Sure. And if these are not enough for the gamer there is always the classic Pole Position. Plenty of arcade view for even the most hardcore gamer. Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com

>Realistically tho Mike, N4 is run on a flat or semi-flat 2D screen >where as if you are in a "Real" Nascar car it is all 3D with 100% >peripheral vision. Not so in N4 :) The day will come (my guess is within the next five years) that you will wear a virtual reality helmet with at least 180 degrees of view and might even be able to sit in a cockpit mounted on a motion platform. This should be enough to make even the manliest of us all to puke our guts out. ;o) Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com

>Check out what N4 looks like in 3D. I think the effect makes it seem even >more claustrophobic. It's really immersive seeing the wheel move towards >your face when braking. Just cross your eyes to see the pictures in 3d. >http://www.simracingmag.com/articles/hardware/01q3/stereo_11.shtml Yes but, you're talking about taking a 2D sim and using software to make a shoddy attempt at 3D. Wait until the day that the game is written for a virtual reality helmet. Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com

>Besides I do not recall any broadcast of real Nascar drivers where the >in-car view showed them with the wheel turned to the right when going >straight. Oh gawd. Here we go again. Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com

Real, Shmeal... WC drivers have much more than a 2inch X 12inch window to look thru! Our "realistic" fwd view on a std monitor is smaller than their rear-view mirror. > > The view in Nascar Racing 4 is realistic. It's a realistic simulation of > the current Winston Cup NASCAR season, therefore it has to have arealistic > view that is as real as it is in real-life. LOL all those "real"'s makeme > dizzy ;-D > > The view is exactly the same as you would have if you sat in one of themWC > cars. There is other alternatives to this view if you wish to have you > experience a little less realistic. I really love that hood view, I cansee

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> it's utility for pickup online racing <G> (and that moving inside-view in > the mirror is a nice touch). > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

"Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> writes: > Real, Shmeal... WC drivers have much more than a 2inch X 12inch window to > look thru! Our "realistic" fwd view on a std monitor is smaller than their > rear-view mirror. hear hear. What I would like is an alternativ cockpit view where the windows area of the current cockpit view takes a larger part of the screen. Perhaps also with the GPL letterboxing to reduce the leg-spotting effect. And a bigger monitor, and a better gfx card, and a better cpu :) Bonnet view, roof view, kite view is not a good alternative IMHO.

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> > The view in Nascar Racing 4 is realistic. It's a realistic simulation of > > the current Winston Cup NASCAR season, therefore it has to have a > realistic > > view that is as real as it is in real-life. LOL all those "real"'s make > me > > dizzy ;-D > > > > The view is exactly the same as you would have if you sat in one of them > WC > > cars. There is other alternatives to this view if you wish to have you > > experience a little less realistic. I really love that hood view, I can > see > > it's utility for pickup online racing <G> (and that moving inside-view in > > the mirror is a nice touch). > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >

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Very true Dave C, The only issue might be price for the average consumer? Who knows tho with the good ole microchip it may be here sooner then we think?..:) "Dave Casey" wrote: | The day will come (my guess is within the next five years) that you willwear | a virtual reality helmet with at least 180 degrees of view and might evenbe | able to sit in a cockpit mounted on a motion platform. This should beenough

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| to make even the manliest of us all to puke our guts out. ;o) | | | Dave Casey | Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) | www.teamcasey.net | www.lvkc.com | www.buycoolcrap.com | >Realistically tho Mike, N4 is run on a flat or semi-flat 2D screen | >where as if you are in a "Real" Nascar car it is all 3D with 100% | >peripheral vision. Not so in N4 :) |

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I agree that there is no peripheral vision but any game with a Z or W buffer is NOT 2D. It's rendered internally in 3d and then converted for your 2D monitor. "Dave Casey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I0pg7.323$[email hidden]... > >Check out what N4 looks like in 3D. I think the effect makes it seemeven

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> >more claustrophobic. It's really immersive seeing the wheel move towards > >your face when braking. Just cross your eyes to see the pictures in 3d. > >http://www.simracingmag.com/articles/hardware/01q3/stereo_11.shtml > > Yes but, you're talking about taking a 2D sim and using software to make a > shoddy attempt at 3D. Wait until the day that the game is written for a > virtual reality helmet. > > > Dave Casey > Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) > www.teamcasey.net > www.lvkc.com > www.buycoolcrap.com

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EKhg7.18722$[email hidden]... > The view in Nascar Racing 4 is realistic. It's a realistic simulation of > the current Winston Cup NASCAR season, therefore it has to have arealistic > view that is as real as it is in real-life. LOL all those "real"'s makeme > dizzy ;-D > as realistic as a one eyed man squinting through a small cardboard box at his cockpit, maybe. John

I think it is a matter of RATIO's....Yes the windscreen on a REAL WC car is bigger than 2x12. BUt....how much bigger are the tracks? Compress the huge area visable in a modern oval and compare that to what is visible with N4....I would think the RATIO of a real track vs your monitor size....is pretty close already. So yeah the space you peer out of is tiny...but the amount of visable area is just about the same as what a WC driver sees. Ever watch somebody leave the pits and plow into a wheel that was clearly visible to the TV cameras??? Why didn't the driver avoid it? Because they sit so low and their perspective really limits what they can see. And as far as PERIPHERAL(sp?) view...With the exception of one Dale Jr, I don't think the helmets used by today's drivers allow much side view....why the heck do you think they need spotters??? So we have decided then that we don't want a realistic viewpoint, and we don't want a realistic handling that causes the car to pull left. What else don't we want? Tires that wear out? Fuel tanks that run down, pushrod motors that can only turn approx. 8 to 9 grand? Any other suggestions? dave henrie "Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xurg7.128$[email hidden]... > Real, Shmeal... WC drivers have much more than a 2inch X 12inch window to > look thru! Our "realistic" fwd view on a std monitor is smaller thantheir > rear-view mirror. > > > > The view in Nascar Racing 4 is realistic. It's a realistic simulationof

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> > the current Winston Cup NASCAR season, therefore it has to have a > realistic > > view that is as real as it is in real-life. LOL all those "real"'s make > me > > dizzy ;-D > > > > The view is exactly the same as you would have if you sat in one of them > WC > > cars. There is other alternatives to this view if you wish to have you > > experience a little less realistic. I really love that hood view, I can > see > > it's utility for pickup online racing <G> (and that moving inside-view

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> > the mirror is a nice touch). > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >

>Real, Shmeal... WC drivers have much more than a 2inch X 12inch window to >look thru! Our "realistic" fwd view on a std monitor is smaller than their >rear-view mirror. No you're being totally unrealistic. Your 2x12 inch view of the outside world is totally based on the size of your monitor. I have a 21" monitor and have a much bigger view that. If they made it realistic for your monitor size then you would only see a 17" view of the road directly ahead and no side view whatsoever. Are we going to base this argument on those people still running on 13" monitors? If you want a bigger view then buy a bigger monitor. If 21" isn't big enough for you, then buy a 60" Phillips flat panel monitor and hang it on your wall. That should give you the view you're looking for. Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com

You guys are not being reasonable. Of course "realistic" would be to have a 60" monitor with a view of the track only sitting just outside a cockpit with a windscreen where I'm belted in by a 6-point harness wearing a Hans-device and a full face helmet. Maybe its a matter of priority and focus. Yes, a WC driver can see under the dash if he chooses to look away from the road and down. On a typical montor though, the N4 in-car view is giving the bottom of the steering wheel and the view under the dash greater screen real-estate than the window. Besides, I've got my own wheel in front of me, so the screen just needs the dash & windscreen. By showing the graphic wheel & steering column in essence it is positioning the driver backwards 2 times the length of the steering column. (yes I know about the option to turn of the graphical wheel, but that doesn't change the perspective) I looked at Mobil 1 Rally Championship, Viper Racing, NFS:PU. All of them show only half the steering wheel. I would like to see N4 have an optional in-car view with the perspective closer to the windscreen. "Dave Casey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xuGg7.1815$[email hidden]... > >Real, Shmeal... WC drivers have much more than a 2inch X 12inch window to > >look thru! Our "realistic" fwd view on a std monitor is smaller thantheir > >rear-view mirror. > > No you're being totally unrealistic. Your 2x12 inch view of the outsideworld > is totally based on the size of your monitor. I have a 21" monitor andhave a > much bigger view that. If they made it realistic for your monitor sizethen > you would only see a 17" view of the road directly ahead and no side view > whatsoever. Are we going to base this argument on those people stillrunning > on 13" monitors? If you want a bigger view then buy a bigger monitor. If21" > isn't big enough for you, then buy a 60" Phillips flat panel monitor andhang > it on your wall. That should give you the view you're looking for. > > Dave Casey

In race cars driver seats further behind than in family cars (nearer the center of the car ). So, knowing Papy, they probably seated driver at the right spot. All other things thay done right so I don't know why would they do mistake here. "Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v%Mg7.265$[email hidden]... > You guys are not being reasonable. Of course "realistic" would be to havea > 60" monitor with a view of the track only sitting just outside a cockpit > with a windscreen where I'm belted in by a 6-point harness wearing a > Hans-device and a full face helmet. Maybe its a matter of priority and > focus. Yes, a WC driver can see under the dash if he chooses to look away > from the road and down. On a typical montor though, the N4 in-car view is > giving the bottom of the steering wheel and the view under the dashgreater > screen real-estate than the window. Besides, I've got my own wheel infront > of me, so the screen just needs the dash & windscreen. By showing the > graphic wheel & steering column in essence it is positioning the driver > backwards 2 times the length of the steering column. (yes I know aboutthe > option to turn of the graphical wheel, but that doesn't change the > perspective) > > I looked at Mobil 1 Rally Championship, Viper Racing, NFS:PU. All of them > show only half the steering wheel. I would like to see N4 have anoptional > in-car view with the perspective closer to the windscreen. >

Yes, I forgot. Further behind and lower, so they probably have good view under the dash. "Mario Petrinovic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9m09f8$fuam$[email hidden]...

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> In race cars driver seats further behind than in family cars > (nearer the center of the car ). So, knowing Papy, they probably > seated driver at the right spot. All other things thay done right > so I don't know why would they do mistake here. > > > "Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:v%Mg7.265$[email hidden]... > > You guys are not being reasonable. Of course "realistic" would be to

have > a > > 60" monitor with a view of the track only sitting just outside a cockpit > > with a windscreen where I'm belted in by a 6-point harness wearing a > > Hans-device and a full face helmet. Maybe its a matter of priority and > > focus. Yes, a WC driver can see under the dash if he chooses to lookaway > > from the road and down. On a typical montor though, the N4 in-car viewis

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> > giving the bottom of the steering wheel and the view under the dash > greater > > screen real-estate than the window. Besides, I've got my own wheel in > front > > of me, so the screen just needs the dash & windscreen. By showing the > > graphic wheel & steering column in essence it is positioning the driver > > backwards 2 times the length of the steering column. (yes I know about > the > > option to turn of the graphical wheel, but that doesn't change the > > perspective) > > > > I looked at Mobil 1 Rally Championship, Viper Racing, NFS:PU. All of

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> > show only half the steering wheel. I would like to see N4 have an > optional > > in-car view with the perspective closer to the windscreen. > > > > > > > > >

Sounds cool, but... who is going to clean up the puke? [email hidden] (Dave Casey) wrote in message news:<I0pg7.323$[email hidden]>... > Wait until the day that the game is written for a virtual reality helmet.

Pull to the left and claustrophobic visibility. That's why I love Papy. Since I was a little boy I dreamed of driving a race car. Papy made it possible. The only thing that's left is hard shaking. But I get plenty of that at my job (train-driver ) so I don't miss it teribly. "Mario Petrinovic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9m0ah0$fvlr$[email hidden]... > Yes, I forgot. Further behind and lower, so they probably > have good view under the dash. >

These discussions are all nice but I don't see where if its a 22" screen or a 2000' screen, you still see the "exact same thing" from N4 or any other game sim in a cockpit. Its only a size thing...Right? Game-sims are great but without 100% true peripheral vision is isnt even close to "real-life." Until you're inside a true virtual unit it never will. Will it? It is all the same until we move onward to virtual reality but I guess it is all subjective anyway...eh? :) O well thats my 1/10th of a cent worth. "Gary Wampler" wrote: | You guys are not being reasonable. Of course "realistic" would be to havea | 60" monitor with a view of the track only sitting just outside a cockpit | with a windscreen where I'm belted in by a 6-point harness wearing a | Hans-device and a full face helmet. Maybe its a matter of priority and | focus. Yes, a WC driver can see under the dash if he chooses to look away | from the road and down. On a typical montor though, the N4 in-car view is | giving the bottom of the steering wheel and the view under the dashgreater | screen real-estate than the window. Besides, I've got my own wheel infront | of me, so the screen just needs the dash & windscreen. By showing the | graphic wheel & steering column in essence it is positioning the driver | backwards 2 times the length of the steering column. (yes I know aboutthe | option to turn of the graphical wheel, but that doesn't change the | perspective) | | I looked at Mobil 1 Rally Championship, Viper Racing, NFS:PU. All of them | show only half the steering wheel. I would like to see N4 have anoptional | in-car view with the perspective closer to the windscreen. | | "Dave Casey" wrote: | > >Real, Shmeal... WC drivers have much more than a 2inch X 12inch windowto

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| > >look thru! Our "realistic" fwd view on a std monitor is smaller than | their | > >rear-view mirror. | > | > No you're being totally unrealistic. Your 2x12 inch view of the outside | world | > is totally based on the size of your monitor. I have a 21" monitor and | have a | > much bigger view that. If they made it realistic for your monitor size | then | > you would only see a 17" view of the road directly ahead and no side

view | > whatsoever. Are we going to base this argument on those people still | running | > on 13" monitors? If you want a bigger view then buy a bigger monitor.If

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| 21" | > isn't big enough for you, then buy a 60" Phillips flat panel monitor and | hang | > it on your wall. That should give you the view you're looking for. | > | > Dave Casey | | |

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"Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> writes: > You guys are not being reasonable. Of course "realistic" would be to have a > 60" monitor with a view of the track only sitting just outside a cockpit > with a windscreen where I'm belted in by a 6-point harness wearing a > Hans-device and a full face helmet. what's a Hans-device? -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 silence is FOO!

The Hans-device is a head & neck safety restraint which uses a neck brace and tethers to hold the head in position upon impact. "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > what's a Hans-device? >

>The Hans-device is a head & neck safety restraint which uses a neck brace >and tethers to hold the head in position upon impact. And some of us won't be satisfied until a HANS device is necessary when driving a sim. ;o) Dave Casey Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4) www.teamcasey.net www.lvkc.com www.buycoolcrap.com