Re: To the person who got banned from NASCAR4. (Dodgefan!)

Were those incidents the ones he describes or different ones? -Were you the one to protest his driving? Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Justin" wrote... > > Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or > 3 times in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the > others. I think i still have the replay of that race at home im > at work right now so i cant look. Sorry but you got what was comming > to you.

Maybe now things might become much clearer with both sides available now? or maybe not? only time will tell..eh? "Justin" wrote: | Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 times | in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I think i | still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so i cant | look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 times in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I think i still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so i cant look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you.

I think everyone should read this carefully before making anymore judgements in either direction. This is the person hit by Dodgefan. "Justin" wrote: | Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 times | in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I think i | still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so i cant | look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

I've read it, doesn't really show me the other side of the story. Pretty obvious the other party thought it was wrecking, the man got banned!! I'd like to see some motivation, plus the victim's thoughts as to why BH was out to get him. Also we still don't know whether it was Justin who made the complaint or someone else in the race. Jan./can't stand the suspence!! -I'm way too curious. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Thom j." wrote... > I think everyone should read this carefully before making > anymore judgements in either direction. This is the person > hit by Dodgefan.

I NEVER WRECKED YOU IN THAT RACE MAN!!!! I'm sorry for what happened... but you must be talking about someone else? If I was going after you I would have parked and waited on you? Besides, what would have made me single you out anyways? Yes, I'd love to see the replay of the WHOLE race if you have it might be quite interesting indeed BH "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<36ei7.140531$[email hidden]>...

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> I think everyone should read this carefully before making anymore > judgements in either direction. This is the person hit by Dodgefan. > > "Justin" wrote: > | Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 times > | in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I think i > | still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so i cant > | look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

Maybe not... becaused I NEVER WRECKED HIM!!!! The replay posted doesn't show me racing and letting other cars pass... if I was a wrecker I would have parked in the middle of the track... or waiting on him to come back around..... also, why would I have singled him out??? NO REASON!!! Yes, the incident was my fault... what did it cost... NOTHING... I"M THE ONE WHO WRECKED... HE DID NOT!!! not even damage for him... and I can assure you it was in no way intentional... i don't waste my time online wrecking people on purpose... there are other games for that if I felt the need. BH "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<qpci7.140157$[email hidden]>...

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> Maybe now things might become much clearer with both > sides available now? or maybe not? only time will tell..eh? > > "Justin" wrote: > | Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 times > | in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I think i > | still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so i cant > | look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? I smell a fake perhaps... "Justin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<3b895acb$[email hidden]>... > Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 times > in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I think i > still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so i cant > look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you.

why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address within 12 hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough junk email as it is i dont want more "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? > > I smell a fake perhaps... > > > "Justin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<3b895acb$[email hidden]>... > > Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3times > > in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I thinki > > still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so icant > > look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you.

OH am another thing. i posted under the name "Justin" from work. i am at home now.. "Justin_M69" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address within12

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> hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough junk > email as it is i dont want more > > > > "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I > > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? > > > > I smell a fake perhaps... > > > > > > "Justin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<3b895acb$[email hidden]>... > > > Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 > times > > > in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I

think > i > > > still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so i > cant > > > look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. > >

uh huh..... good try "Justin_M69" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address within12

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> hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough junk > email as it is i dont want more > > > > "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I > > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? > > > > I smell a fake perhaps... > > > > > > "Justin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<3b895acb$[email hidden]>... > > > Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 > times > > > in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I

think > i > > > still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so i > cant > > > look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. > >

[email hidden] (B. Hilton) wrote:

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> I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? > > I smell a fake perhaps... > > > "Justin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<3b895acb$[email hidden]>... >> Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 >> times in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. >> I think i still have the replay of that race at home im at work right >> now so i cant look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. >

I believe he's the same guy on your replay clip, or I'd put money on it anyway... -- Looking for some good online Nascar 4 Racing? Join the Stock Car Pro Racing Club. http://www.scprc.com Racing on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays, starting at ~10:15 PM Eastern for ~1.5 hours

dude i could really care less if you think im a fake. fact is I know i am the real person and people who know me on this group knows this is the real me. i guess you havent even read what happened have you? its below if you can to read and post your comments. for anyone that cares i have 2 online names Justin_M69 and J_Michael99 "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> uh huh..... good try > > > > "Justin_M69" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address

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> 12 > > hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough junk > > email as it is i dont want more > > > > > > > > "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I > > > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? > > > > > > I smell a fake perhaps... > > > > > > > > > "Justin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:<3b895acb$[email hidden]>... > > > > Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 > > times > > > > in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. I > think > > i > > > > still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so i > > cant > > > > look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. > > > > > >

Eddie P, I know for a fact it is.. "Eddie Pettit" wrote:

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| I believe he's the same guy on your replay clip, or I'd put money on it | anyway... | | -- | Looking for some good online Nascar 4 Racing? | Join the Stock Car Pro Racing Club. http://www.scprc.com | Racing on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays, | starting at ~10:15 PM Eastern for ~1.5 hours

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| > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I | > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? | > | > I smell a fake perhaps... | > | > | > "Justin" wrote: | >> Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 | >> times in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. | >> I think i still have the replay of that race at home im at work right | >> now so i cant look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. | > |

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Yea, Justin & I want your setups too.. dammit.. hahaha :) "Justin_M69" wrote: | dude i could really care less if you think im a fake. fact is I know i am | the real person and people who know me on this group knows this is thereal | me. i guess you havent even read what happened have you? its below if you | can to read and post your comments. for anyone that cares i have 2 online | names Justin_M69 and J_Michael99 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

guess this B. Hilton got scared and ran off? lol he wont respond to me post below "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kSii7.142134$[email hidden]...

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> Eddie P, I know for a fact it is.. > > "Eddie Pettit" wrote: > | I believe he's the same guy on your replay clip, or I'd put money on it > | anyway... > | > | -- > | Looking for some good online Nascar 4 Racing? > | Join the Stock Car Pro Racing Club. http://www.scprc.com > | Racing on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays, > | starting at ~10:15 PM Eastern for ~1.5 hours > > (B. Hilton) wrote: > | > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I > | > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? > | > > | > I smell a fake perhaps... > | > > | > > | > "Justin" wrote: > | >> Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3 > | >> times in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. > | >> I think i still have the replay of that race at home im at work right > | >> now so i cant look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. > | > > | > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001 > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (B. Hilton) writes: > If I was >going after you I would have parked and waited on you? You know, you keep saying that. I have to ask - how much experience do you have with intentional wreckers? You seem to know a lot about them... The ones I've seen don't always to that. There are some who will run with you, but just run you over as they try to pass. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Subject: Re: To the person who got banned from NASCAR4. (Dodgefan!) >From: "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:20:48 -0400 > >uh huh..... good try > > > >"Justin_M69" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address within >12 >> hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough junk >> email as it is i dont want more >> >> >> >> "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I >> > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? >> > >> > I smell a fake perhaps... >> > >> > >> > "Justin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

...And all of a sudden YOU have a different e-mail address... What's up with THAT? You can change addresses, but Justin CAN'T? Thom was right - this just keeps getting better...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"O" I would guess he will be back Justin, just give him a little time. All his postings and re-postings must have him worn out by now.:) You just better quit winning so many damm races & holding your line, ya know?? hahaha "Justin_M69" wrote: | guess this B. Hilton got scared and ran off? lol he wont respond to mepost

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| below | | | "Thom j." wrote: | > Eddie P, I know for a fact it is.. | > | > "Eddie Pettit" wrote: | > | I believe he's the same guy on your replay clip, or I'd put money on

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| > | anyway... | > | | > | -- | > | Looking for some good online Nascar 4 Racing? | > | Join the Stock Car Pro Racing Club. http://www.scprc.com | > | Racing on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays, | > | starting at ~10:15 PM Eastern for ~1.5 hours | > | > (B. Hilton) wrote: | > | > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I | > | > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? | > | > | > | > I smell a fake perhaps... | > | > | > | > | > | > "Justin" wrote: | > | >> Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or

3 | > | >> times in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid theothers. | > | >> I think i still have the replay of that race at home im at workright

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| > | >> now so i cant look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > --- | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001 | > | > | |

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Eldred? Do you think there might be a "N4 online wreckers" school? :) "EldredP" wrote: | You know, you keep saying that. I have to ask - how much experience doyou | have with intentional wreckers? You seem to know a lot about them... Theones | I've seen don't always to that. There are some who will run with you, butjust | run you over as they try to pass. | | Eldred (B. Hilton) writes: | > If I was | >going after you I would have parked and waited on you? | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/17/2001

Hey Eldred maybe we can get this syndicated on tv.. hahaha I have to admit I do know Justin so I am a bit bias! But what the "H"? What are friends for..eh? :) "B. Hilton" #1: <[email hidden]> and "B. Hilton" #2: <[email hidden]> things that make you say, Ahmmm? :) "EldredP" wrote: | ...And all of a sudden YOU have a different e-mail address... What's upwith | THAT? You can change addresses, but Justin CAN'T? | Thom was right - this just keeps getting better...<g> | | Eldred "B. Hilton" writes:

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| | >Subject: Re: To the person who got banned from NASCAR4. (Dodgefan!) | >From: "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> | >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:20:48 -0400 | > | >uh huh..... good try | > | > | > | >"Justin_M69" wrote: | >> why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address

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| >12 | >> hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough junk | >> email as it is i dont want more | >> | >> | >> | >> "B. Hilton" wrote: | >> > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I | >> > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? | >> > | >> > I smell a fake perhaps...

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omgomgomgomg he changed his email!!!! one of them is a fake!!!! CALL THE COPS!!!!!! "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_Vji7.142256$[email hidden]...

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> Hey Eldred maybe we can get this syndicated on tv.. hahaha > I have to admit I do know Justin so I am a bit bias! But what > the "H"? What are friends for..eh? :) > "B. Hilton" #1: <[email hidden]> and > "B. Hilton" #2: <[email hidden]> things that make > you say, Ahmmm? :) > > "EldredP" wrote: > | ...And all of a sudden YOU have a different e-mail address... What's up > with > | THAT? You can change addresses, but Justin CAN'T? > | Thom was right - this just keeps getting better...<g> > | > | Eldred > > "B. Hilton" writes: > | > | >Subject: Re: To the person who got banned from NASCAR4. (Dodgefan!) > | >From: "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> > | >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:20:48 -0400 > | > > | >uh huh..... good try > | > > | > > | > > | >"Justin_M69" wrote: > | >> why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address > within > | >12 > | >> hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough

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> | >> email as it is i dont want more > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> "B. Hilton" wrote: > | >> > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I > | >> > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? > | >> > > | >> > I smell a fake perhaps... > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/17/2001 > >

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Yea, Justin & I want your setups too.. dammit.. hahaha :) > > "Justin_M69" wrote: >| dude i could really care less if you think im a fake. fact is I know i >| am the real person and people who know me on this group knows this is >| the real me. i guess you havent even read what happened have you? its >| below if you can to read and post your comments. for anyone that >| cares i have 2 online names Justin_M69 and J_Michael99

Yeah, me too, cough up those setups, dammit! :-) Just kidding, kinda... -- Looking for some good online Nascar 4 Racing? Join the Stock Car Pro Racing Club. http://www.scprc.com Racing on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays, starting at ~10:15 PM Eastern for ~1.5 hours

Dag, I thought I'd get a bit of a hoot out of it but "Justin" makes a funny too...lmao :) Hey quit upstaging me Justin unless you'all hand over those rocket setups :)~ "Justin_M69" wrote:

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| omgomgomgomg he changed his email!!!! one of them is a fake!!!! CALL THE | COPS!!!!!! | | | | "Thom j." wrote: | > Hey Eldred maybe we can get this syndicated on tv.. hahaha | > I have to admit I do know Justin so I am a bit bias! But what | > the "H"? What are friends for..eh? :) | > "B. Hilton" #1: <[email hidden]> and | > "B. Hilton" #2: <[email hidden]> things that make | > you say, Ahmmm? :) | > | > "EldredP" wrote: | > | ...And all of a sudden YOU have a different e-mail address... What's

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| > with | > | THAT? You can change addresses, but Justin CAN'T? | > | Thom was right - this just keeps getting better...<g> | > | | > | Eldred | > | > "B. Hilton" writes: | > | | > | >Subject: Re: To the person who got banned from NASCAR4. (Dodgefan!) | > | >From: "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> | > | >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:20:48 -0400 | > | > | > | >uh huh..... good try | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >"Justin_M69" wrote: | > | >> why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address | > within | > | >12 | > | >> hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough | junk | > | >> email as it is i dont want more | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> "B. Hilton" wrote: | > | >> > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I | > | >> > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? | > | >> > | > | >> > I smell a fake perhaps... |

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I aint :)~ hahaha "Eddie Pettit" wrote:

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| Yeah, me too, cough up those setups, dammit! :-) Just kidding, kinda... | | -- | Looking for some good online Nascar 4 Racing? | Join the Stock Car Pro Racing Club. http://www.scprc.com | Racing on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays, | starting at ~10:15 PM Eastern for ~1.5 hours | "Thom j." wrote: | > Yea, Justin & I want your setups too.. dammit.. hahaha :) | > | > "Justin_M69" wrote: | >| dude i could really care less if you think im a fake. fact is I know i | >| am the real person and people who know me on this group knows this is | >| the real me. i guess you havent even read what happened have you? its | >| below if you can to read and post your comments. for anyone that | >| cares i have 2 online names Justin_M69 and J_Michael99 |

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There's probably nothing rocket about his setups when he can outrun the field by a mile in a fixed setup race... You have to realise racing people who are talented is just not fair. ;-) Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Thom j." wrote... > Dag, I thought I'd get a bit of a hoot out of it but "Justin" > makes a funny too...lmao :) Hey quit upstaging me Justin unless > you'all hand over those rocket setups :)~

yea... one of them at work... one of them at home... MY APPLOLIGIES LOL! you're just a sore loser... I bet if you won that race (since we never wrecked in the first place) you wouldn't have complained would YOU? "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<_Vji7.142256$[email hidden]>...

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> Hey Eldred maybe we can get this syndicated on tv.. hahaha > I have to admit I do know Justin so I am a bit bias! But what > the "H"? What are friends for..eh? :) > "B. Hilton" #1: <[email hidden]> and > "B. Hilton" #2: <[email hidden]> things that make > you say, Ahmmm? :) > > "EldredP" wrote: > | ...And all of a sudden YOU have a different e-mail address... What's up > with > | THAT? You can change addresses, but Justin CAN'T? > | Thom was right - this just keeps getting better...<g> > | > | Eldred > > "B. Hilton" writes: > | > | >Subject: Re: To the person who got banned from NASCAR4. (Dodgefan!) > | >From: "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> > | >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:20:48 -0400 > | > > | >uh huh..... good try > | > > | > > | > > | >"Justin_M69" wrote: > | >> why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address > within > 12 > | >> hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough junk > | >> email as it is i dont want more > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> "B. Hilton" wrote: > | >> > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I > | >> > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? > | >> > > | >> > I smell a fake perhaps... > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/17/2001

Oh like you've never been in a papy race and gotten hit by a parked car? geez.... if I was an intentional wrecker... I could do that OFFLINE or with another game called demoderby.... I feel no need for that since it would be a waste of time... also my ratings don't get high being a wrecker *cough cough* lol "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<VIji7.142237$[email hidden]>...

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> Eldred? Do you think there might be a "N4 online wreckers" school? :) > > "EldredP" wrote: > | You know, you keep saying that. I have to ask - how much experience do > you > | have with intentional wreckers? You seem to know a lot about them... The > ones > | I've seen don't always to that. There are some who will run with you, but > just > | run you over as they try to pass. > | > | Eldred > > (B. Hilton) writes: > | > If I was > | >going after you I would have parked and waited on you? > | > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/17/2001

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >There's probably nothing rocket about his setups when he can outrun the >field by a mile in a fixed setup race... > >You have to realise racing people who are talented is just not fair. ;-) > REMEMBER that if you run in the next GP race...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

And this is the same exact thing that Justin did with your accusations. hmmm? Sore loser? Who? Me? I have my N4 online privileges intact thank you very much & I didnt do any compaining here for whatever reason? "B. Hilton" wrote:

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| yea... one of them at work... one of them at home... MY APPLOLIGIES | | LOL! | | you're just a sore loser... I bet if you won that race (since we never | wrecked in the first place) you wouldn't have complained would YOU? | | | "Thom j." wrote: | > Hey Eldred maybe we can get this syndicated on tv.. hahaha | > I have to admit I do know Justin so I am a bit bias! But what | > the "H"? What are friends for..eh? :) | > "B. Hilton" #1: <[email hidden]> and | > "B. Hilton" #2: <[email hidden]> things that make | > you say, Ahmmm? :) | > | > "EldredP" wrote: | > | ...And all of a sudden YOU have a different e-mail address... What's

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| > with | > | THAT? You can change addresses, but Justin CAN'T? | > | Thom was right - this just keeps getting better...<g> | > | | > | Eldred | > | > "B. Hilton" writes: | > | | > | >Subject: Re: To the person who got banned from NASCAR4. (Dodgefan!) | > | >From: "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> | > | >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:20:48 -0400 | > | > | > | >uh huh..... good try | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >"Justin_M69" wrote: | > | >> why did i use my real address? because if i posted my REAL address | > within | > 12 | > | >> hours i would have you yelling at me in MY email. and i get enough

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| > | >> email as it is i dont want more | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> "B. Hilton" wrote: | > | >> > I see Mr. So-Called "Justin" that claims he was the guy I | > | >> > intentionally wrecked... didn't post a real email address? | > | >> > | > | >> > I smell a fake perhaps...

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You keep stating "if I was an intentional wrecker" why? "B. Hilton" wrote:

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| Oh like you've never been in a papy race and gotten hit by a parked | car? geez.... if I was an intentional wrecker... I could do that | OFFLINE or with another game called demoderby.... I feel no need for | that since it would be a waste of time... also my ratings don't get | high being a wrecker *cough cough* | | lol | | | "Thom j." wrote: | > Eldred? Do you think there might be a "N4 online wreckers" school? :) | > | > "EldredP" wrote: | > | You know, you keep saying that. I have to ask - how much experience

do | > you | > | have with intentional wreckers? You seem to know a lot about them...The | > ones | > | I've seen don't always to that. There are some who will run with you,but

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| > just | > | run you over as they try to pass. | > | | > | Eldred | > | > (B. Hilton) writes: | > | > If I was | > | >going after you I would have parked and waited on you? | > |

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Hmmmm.... I not sure how to interpret that statement. I know it was made in good spirits, but I don't understand what you might be hinting at. Next weekend is no prob for me... which of the bogey tracks is it to be Eldred? ;-)) Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > REMEMBER that if you run in the next GP race...<g>

Did you call him a "Cheater"? Just curious... "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Maybe not... becaused I NEVER WRECKED HIM!!!! The replay posted > doesn't show me racing and letting other cars pass... if I was a > wrecker I would have parked in the middle of the track... or waiting > on him to come back around..... also, why would I have singled him > out??? NO REASON!!! > > Yes, the incident was my fault... what did it cost... NOTHING... I"M > THE ONE WHO WRECKED... HE DID NOT!!! not even damage for him... > > and I can assure you it was in no way intentional... i don't waste my > time online wrecking people on purpose... there are other games for > that if I felt the need. > > BH > > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<qpci7.140157$[email hidden]>... > > Maybe now things might become much clearer with both > > sides available now? or maybe not? only time will tell..eh? > > > > "Justin" wrote: > > | Well. i see papy banning is working. You tried to wrecked me 2 or 3times > > | in that race. once you got me. i was able to avoid the others. Ithink i > > | still have the replay of that race at home im at work right now so icant

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> > | look. Sorry but you got what was comming to you. > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

In article <8fAi7.21810$[email hidden]>, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> writes: >Did you call him a "Cheater"? Just curious... Ooh - I forgot about that... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (B. Hilton) writes:

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>Oh like you've never been in a papy race and gotten hit by a parked >car? geez.... if I was an intentional wrecker... I could do that >OFFLINE or with another game called demoderby.... I feel no need for >that since it would be a waste of time... also my ratings don't get >high being a wrecker *cough cough* > >lol > > >"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:<VIji7.142237$[email hidden]>... >> Eldred? Do you think there might be a "N4 online wreckers" school? :) >>

How do you get "hit by a parked car"? If it's parked, that means it ain't moving! Now you might HIT a parked car, but... And not many CARE what your rating is anymore. You can stop puffing out your chest. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Hmmmm.... I not sure how to interpret that statement. I know it was made in >good spirits, but I don't understand what you might be hinting at. > >Next weekend is no prob for me... which of the bogey tracks is it to be >Eldred? ;-)) > >Jan. >=--- >"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > >"EldredP" wrote... >> <snip> >> REMEMBER that if you run in the next GP race...<g>

I was just saying since you're a talenter driver, it isn't fair for me to have to race against you... Haven't decided the track yet. The only originals we haven't done are Rouen, Monaco, and Spa. Not enough people like Spa, and I can't stand Rouen or Monaco. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

lol@Eldred! I guess he is a parked car hitting expert Eldred? haha He could be the Dean "N4 online wreckers" school..roflmao "EldredP" wrote: | | How do you get "hit by a parked car"? If it's parked, that means it ain't | moving! Now you might HIT a parked car, but... | And not many CARE what your rating is anymore. You can stop puffing outyour | chest. | | Eldred(B. Hilton) writes:

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| >Oh like you've never been in a papy race and gotten hit by a parked | >car? geez.... if I was an intentional wrecker... I could do that | >OFFLINE or with another game called demoderby.... I feel no need for | >that since it would be a waste of time... also my ratings don't get | >high being a wrecker *cough cough* | > | >lol >"Thom j." wrote: >> Eldred? Do you think there might be a "N4 online wreckers" school? :) >>

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (B. Hilton) writes: > >>Oh like you've never been in a papy race and gotten hit by a parked >>car? geez.... if I was an intentional wrecker... I could do that >>OFFLINE or with another game called demoderby.... I feel no need for >>that since it would be a waste of time... also my ratings don't get >>high being a wrecker *cough cough* >> >>lol >> >> >>"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:<VIji7.142237$[email hidden]>... >>> Eldred? Do you think there might be a "N4 online wreckers" school? :) >>> > > How do you get "hit by a parked car"? If it's parked, that means it > ain't moving! Now you might HIT a parked car, but... > And not many CARE what your rating is anymore. You can stop puffing > out your chest. > > Eldred

Accident report: "After hearing both witnesses, I draw the conclusion that the vehicles involved in the collision were, at the time of the accident, both motionless and parked at opposite sides of the road." -- "Hamsters - more fun for less money" Per Thulin Spamblock in operation - remove the obvious to reply by mail.

"O" Great "ObeeKanNoBee" may we have more words of wisdom? I couldnt resist :) "Per Thulin" wrote: | Accident report: "After hearing both witnesses, I draw the conclusion that | the vehicles involved in the collision were, at the time of the accident, | both motionless and parked at opposite sides of the road." | -- | "Hamsters - more fun for less money" | Per Thulin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

Wow some of you outta quit wasting your time online racing and look into stand up comedy.... the collision were, at the time of the accident,

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you need to quit wasting your time online. cant get banned when you wreck an AI car. hint hint "B. Hilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Wow some of you outta quit wasting your time online racing and look > into stand up comedy.... > > > > > > > the collision were, at the time of the accident, > > | both motionless and parked at opposite sides of the road." > > | -- > > | "Hamsters - more fun for less money" > > | Per Thulin > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

Hey! What in the hell do you mean "look into"? We are!! hahaha "B. Hilton" wrote: | Wow some of you outta quit wasting your time online racing and look | into stand up comedy.... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

Woo Justin your gonna get hooked here and become as wacky as the rest of us here.. :) "Justin_M69" wrote:

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| you need to quit wasting your time online. cant get banned when you wreck | an AI car. hint hint | | | "B. Hilton" wrote: | > Wow some of you outta quit wasting your time online racing and look | > into stand up comedy.... | > | > the collision were, at the time of the accident, | > > | both motionless and parked at opposite sides of the road." | > > | -- | > > | "Hamsters - more fun for less money" | > > | Per Thulin

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Ah... well, I don't see myself as particularly talented, so that's where the confusion started. Anyhow, I can sort of go along with the Spa sentiment. If one gets unstuck there, one probably will have a fairly big and terminal off. Monaco has a six major danger spots, but actually could work quite well if we get some level headed people to drive it. Rouen is a great track, IMO, but does have some accident hotspots as well. Gotta face it, Historic GP racing is dangerous.<g> Jan. =--- "EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > I was just saying since you're a talenter driver, it isn't > fair for me to have to race against you... > Haven't decided the track yet. The only originals we > haven't done are Rouen, Monaco, and Spa. Not enough people > like Spa, and I can't stand Rouen or Monaco.

Now you're beginning to sound awfully definsive there Mr. Never Wrecked in N4. Anyways... Papy has been reported to the better business bureau by several people in regards to making people repurchase the software to use part of the game (when that wasn't the rules when the game was initionaly purchased) BH "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<7wOi7.146958$[email hidden]>...

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> Hey! What in the hell do you mean "look into"? We are!! hahaha > > "B. Hilton" wrote: > | Wow some of you outta quit wasting your time online racing and look > | into stand up comedy.... > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

What in the hell are you yapping about now? I was referring strictly to your comment about us jokesters on here! Please read what I write and not! what you thought I was acussing you off... phew... Talk About Defensive!! Me thinks you're being more paranoid with each post? Duh!! :)~ "B. Hilton" wrote:

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| Now you're beginning to sound awfully definsive there Mr. Never | Wrecked in N4. | | Anyways... Papy has been reported to the better business bureau by | several people in regards to making people repurchase the software to | use part of the game (when that wasn't the rules when the game was | initionaly purchased) | | BH | "Thom j." wrote: | > Hey! What in the hell do you mean "look into"? We are!! hahaha | > | > "B. Hilton" wrote: | > | Wow some of you outta quit wasting your time online racing and look | > | into stand up comedy.... | >

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> > Now you're beginning to sound awfully definsive there Mr. Never > Wrecked in N4. > > Anyways... Papy has been reported to the better business bureau by > several people in regards to making people repurchase the software to > use part of the game (when that wasn't the rules when the game was > initionaly purchased)

Ermmm.... you're losing more & more credibility the more you speak. Papy has *forced* NO ONE to re-purchase their product. Anyone who does so is doing it of their own free will. Personally, if I feel I've been screwed by a company, I'd be DAMNED if they'd get another penny out of me if I could help it. I'm sure the folks at the BBB are having a good chuckle over this. Gives them something to tell their families over dinner as well. <g> >>Bozo Alert.<< -- Fester

actually they are looking into this and taking it seriously... Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> "B. Hilton" wrote: > > > > Now you're beginning to sound awfully definsive there Mr. Never > > Wrecked in N4. > > > > Anyways... Papy has been reported to the better business bureau by > > several people in regards to making people repurchase the software to > > use part of the game (when that wasn't the rules when the game was > > initionaly purchased) > > > Ermmm.... you're losing more & more credibility the more you speak. > Papy has *forced* NO ONE to re-purchase their product. Anyone who does > so is doing it of their own free will. Personally, if I feel I've been > screwed by a company, I'd be DAMNED if they'd get another penny out of > me if I could help it. I'm sure the folks at the BBB are having a good > chuckle over this. Gives them something to tell their families over > dinner as well. <g> > > >>Bozo Alert.<<

"B. Hilton" > actually they are looking into this and taking it seriously... > I am sure they are, but I am also confident that the huge EULA that is inlcuded with the purchase of every copy of N4 will cover their butts. The moment you open the box and Install the product, you are agreeing to abide by the EULA. I wouldn't be suprised that buried somewhere inside the EULA is a phrase that refers to something like the following. "we reserve the right to make changes or ammendments to this agreement at anytime." It is a powerful sentence and basically frees them to make as many changes or alterations to the original agreement as they like. That can have nasty effects on some users, but other than hard feelings, leaves little room for legal recourse. As far as the Sierra forums, they provide the space, the upkeep and the connection costs, they can pretty much ban whomever they choose for whatever reason. dave henrie

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>Ah... well, I don't see myself as particularly talented, so that's where the >confusion started. > >Anyhow, I can sort of go along with the Spa sentiment. If one gets unstuck >there, one probably will have a fairly big and terminal off. Monaco has a >six major danger spots, but actually could work quite well if we get some >level headed people to drive it. Rouen is a great track, IMO, but does have >some accident hotspots as well. > >Gotta face it, Historic GP racing is dangerous.<g>

Yes, it was. If I schedule Rouen, how many would attend? Monaco will HAVE to be passworded... I don't think there's any way around that. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Ah... well, I don't see myself as particularly talented, so that's where the > >confusion started. > > > >Anyhow, I can sort of go along with the Spa sentiment. If one gets unstuck > >there, one probably will have a fairly big and terminal off. Monaco has a > >six major danger spots, but actually could work quite well if we get some > >level headed people to drive it. Rouen is a great track, IMO, but does have > >some accident hotspots as well. > > > >Gotta face it, Historic GP racing is dangerous.<g> > > Yes, it was. If I schedule Rouen, how many would attend?

Huba! Huba! > Monaco will HAVE to be passworded... I don't think there's any way > around that. Yes, Monaco is dangerous is a different way than Spa. At Spa slowing down at the dangerous places removes most of the danger, so you can run at a safe but slow speed which is the way I try to do full GP races. Monaco is dangerous at any speed. Rouen is somewhere inbetween because of the hairpin and the kink in front of it.. -- -asbjxrn

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> > "B. Hilton" > > actually they are looking into this and taking it seriously... > > > > I am sure they are, but I am also confident that the huge EULA that is > inlcuded with the purchase of every copy of N4 will cover their butts. The > moment you open the box and Install the product, you are agreeing to abide > by the EULA. I wouldn't be suprised that buried somewhere inside the EULA > is a phrase that refers to something like the following. "we reserve the

You mentioned "burried". That's exactly the reason, EULA agreements are worth...nothing. You didn't agree to it before buying the product, so it's not in effect, at least in most European countries. <I just hope, this is not just an urban myth... ;) > -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

They provide space for THEIR severs.... but ban from all... and no they do not have a saying like that... it has been researched. Posting more "clarifications" on this is hurting their case more and more Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > "B. Hilton" > > > actually they are looking into this and taking it seriously... > > > > > > > I am sure they are, but I am also confident that the huge EULA that is > > inlcuded with the purchase of every copy of N4 will cover their butts. The > > moment you open the box and Install the product, you are agreeing to abide > > by the EULA. I wouldn't be suprised that buried somewhere inside the EULA > > is a phrase that refers to something like the following. "we reserve the > > You mentioned "burried". That's exactly the reason, EULA agreements are > worth...nothing. You didn't agree to it before buying the product, so > it's not in effect, at least in most European countries. > > <I just hope, this is not just an urban myth... ;) > > > -- > l8er > ronny > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > to take effect. Reboot now? > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Hi Ronald, what's usually being overlooked is the fact that IMHO legally, the right to race on WON isn't part of N4. It doesn't say on the N4 box that racing on WON is a feature of N4. I.e., the ability to race on WON isn't part of the non-verbal purchase contract you agree to by buying N4. Hence, the EULA doesn't affect this banning issue, as the conditions you agreed to when buying N4 didn't contain WON. Therefor, there's no way of making legal claims if anyone gets banned from WON. Apart from that, if Papy doesn't ban you for one strange incident, but creates a track record of suspected wreckers, I'm fairly sure that if a wrecker would sue them he'd have no chance. Even if WON were something he's entitled to, all the guys he wrecked are entitled to the same, and he's greatly impeded their use of the product. By wrecking them, he's also violated the terms of use of WON (at least very much so since the terms of use of WON - Message of the day - contains a clear statement that wrecking isn't allowed), and all Papy did was making sure the other buyers can use the product as intended. Maybe one could even sue wreckers, on the premises of harassing others, of causing mental stress, or even physical damage. What if someone got momentary heart probs out of anger because he got wrecked? :-) Achim "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > "B. Hilton" > > > actually they are looking into this and taking it seriously... > > > > > > > I am sure they are, but I am also confident that the huge EULA that is > > inlcuded with the purchase of every copy of N4 will cover their butts.

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> > You mentioned "burried". That's exactly the reason, EULA agreements are > worth...nothing. You didn't agree to it before buying the product, so > it's not in effect, at least in most European countries. > > <I just hope, this is not just an urban myth... ;) > > > -- > l8er > ronny

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> > Hi Ronald, > > what's usually being overlooked is the fact that IMHO legally, the right to > race on WON isn't part of N4. It doesn't say on the N4 box that racing on > WON is a feature of N4. I.e., the ability to race on WON isn't part of the > non-verbal purchase contract you agree to by buying N4.

I was only commenting on the EULA part, as many software companies, esp. this really big one ;), like to screw their customers with a new gimmick every year. At least they try... "No, you can't modify your system more than x times, before you have to mail in this form telling us everything about you, your friends and your cat!" -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!