N4:Patch available

www.sierra.de have a new, European-only patch for N4, upgrading to version 1.3.1.4, making it incompatible with the old 1.1.0.0 version. The question is - is it compatible with the US version? And is there a US version of the same patch coming? I get so confused! -- Colin ICQ 25485061 Fast Food Racing: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fastfood/index.html FFRL: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fastfood/ffrl/index.html

A beta version of the International patch was sent to the European Sierra divisions so that they could QA the installer, however there seems to have been some miscommunication as they have posted it for download. The final patch will be available for download for both the US and International versions when it is ready. I'd suggest you refrain from using the beta 1.3.1.4 patch, as most likely the final patch will not be compatible with this interim beta version which will force you to do a fresh install of the game before being able to apply the final patch. - Eric "Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8i8k7.75025$[email hidden]... > www.sierra.de have a new, European-only patch for N4, upgrading toversion > 1.3.1.4, making it incompatible with the old 1.1.0.0 version. Thequestion > is - is it compatible with the US version? And is there a US versionof the > same patch coming?

"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9mr42g$auj$[email hidden]...

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> A beta version of the International patch was sent to the European > Sierra divisions so that they could QA the installer, however there > seems to have been some miscommunication as they have posted it for > download. The final patch will be available for download for both the > US and International versions when it is ready. I'd suggest you refrain > from using the beta 1.3.1.4 patch, as most likely the final patch will > not be compatible with this interim beta version which will force you to > do a fresh install of the game before being able to apply the final > patch. > > - Eric

Thanks, Eric :-)

Any word on a new CART sim from you guys? We've been forced to make our own CART sim now from F1 CS 2000, and now F1 20001....... Have you tried the CART beta patch for F1 CS 2000? Sincerely NYR2119935 [email hidden]

Any word on a new CART sim from you guys? We've been forced to make our own CART sim now from F1 CS 2000, and now F1 20001....... Have you tried the CART beta patch for F1 CS 2000? Sincerely NYR2119935 [email hidden]

If everytime you see a papy/sierra person's message, you do this...........then I doupt you will ever see one. I hope and pray every day that they DO NOT put out any CART crap.............. Vintook "TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Any word on a new CART sim from you guys? > We've been forced to make our own CART sim now from F1 CS 2000, and now F1 > 20001....... > > Have you tried the CART beta patch for F1 CS 2000? > > Sincerely > > NYR2119935 > [email hidden]

F1 20001? ;) TRUSRS85 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Any word on a new CART sim from you guys? > We've been forced to make our own CART sim now from F1 CS 2000, and now F1 > 20001....... > > Have you tried the CART beta patch for F1 CS 2000? > > Sincerely > > NYR2119935 > [email hidden]

In article <sjqk7.234966$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> writes: >If everytime you see a papy/sierra person's message, you do >this...........then I doupt you will ever see one. I hope and pray every day >that they DO NOT put out any CART crap.............. > >Vintook I agree that he overdoes it. But why do you hate CART? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

IIRC, this is not the first time the German Sierra office have screwed things up by releasing beta-versions of patches etc. -- ed_ Colin Harris <[email hidden]> skrev i news:qNck7.76065$[email hidden]... > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9mr42g$auj$[email hidden]... > > A beta version of the International patch was sent to the European > > Sierra divisions so that they could QA the installer, however there > > seems to have been some miscommunication as they have posted it for > > download. The final patch will be available for download for both the > > US and International versions when it is ready. I'd suggest you refrain > > from using the beta 1.3.1.4 patch, as most likely the final patch will > > not be compatible with this interim beta version which will force you to > > do a fresh install of the game before being able to apply the final > > patch. > > > > - Eric > > > Thanks, Eric :-) > >

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aluk7.7623$[email hidden]... > IIRC, this is not the first time the German Sierra office have screwed > things up by releasing beta-versions of patches etc. > > -- > ed_ Whatsamatter with them? Can't the read English? :) dave henrie

Dave Henrie wrote: > > Whatsamatter with them? Can't the read English? :) Sure they can. We just have a helluva time *writing* it! <g> -- Fester

Mainly because I'm tired of seeing it posted everywhere like this. Oh, and the fact that they really stink as a racing organization, ie Texas. Vintook "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <sjqk7.234966$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >If everytime you see a papy/sierra person's message, you do > >this...........then I doupt you will ever see one. I hope and pray everyday

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> >that they DO NOT put out any CART crap.............. > > > >Vintook > > I agree that he overdoes it. But why do you hate CART? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Vintook" <[email hidden]> writes: > Mainly because I'm tired of seeing it posted everywhere like this. I thought so too some time ago, but now the guy just astounds me with his persistence :) Even the papy folks start to wonder when he is not shouting for a sim badly needed... > Oh, and the fact that they really stink as a racing organization, ie Texas. Texas could be handled better, but according to american hero Michael Andretti the g-force problem could not be forseen, and his story about Franchitti walking about in the pits without finding his own pit box because of vertigo is a bit scary. But do look forward to the European races, there's a new aero package wich will reduce the turbulence behind the cars and give more downforce. So finally we will see a proper race.

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> Vintook > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <sjqk7.234966$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >If everytime you see a papy/sierra person's message, you do > > >this...........then I doupt you will ever see one. I hope and pray every > day > > >that they DO NOT put out any CART crap.............. > > > > > >Vintook > > > > I agree that he overdoes it. But why do you hate CART? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

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> I hope and pray every day >that they DO NOT put out any CART crap.............. > > > > > >Vintook I couldn't agree more with your statement. I too do NOT want to see any CART crap. I would prefer a quality CART product. (yes I am being bad) :) dave henrie

"Alex Kihurani" > F1 20001? ;) yeah ol Trus plans ahead dh

In article <6YLk7.230448$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> writes: >Mainly because I'm tired of seeing it posted everywhere like this. > >Oh, and the fact that they really stink as a racing organization, ie Texas. If you're going to ignore an entire racing series because of ONE boisterous fan or ONE race that went wrong, then I don't know what to say... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ooooooo Davie I'm tellin'..hahaha "Dave Henrie" wrote: | I couldn't agree more with your statement. I too do NOT want to see any | CART crap. I would prefer a quality CART product. (yes I am being bad):) | dave henrie | > I hope and pray every day | >that they DO NOT put out any CART crap.............. | > > > | > > >Vintook --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

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> > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aluk7.7623$[email hidden]... > > IIRC, this is not the first time the German Sierra office have screwed > > things up by releasing beta-versions of patches etc. > > > > -- > > ed_ > Whatsamatter with them? Can't the read English? :)

Maybe the "English" was actually "Nascar driver" English? ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

I also recall a race lately where they had a river going across the track. This racing organization cares nothing about it's drivers. It will let them race on the track with a dangerous drainage problem, (or not race, or race, or not, or will, or....) and it sets up races and sells tickets before it has done any kind of testing. Putting one person in one car for one hour at Texas would have shown them the problem. Did they have that hour? No, they were too interested in the bottom money line than the safety of their drivers. CART is a very bad organization. I would rather watch Grand Prix and IRL or a dirt track race than any CART race. There is tons of other racing on TV to watch so I'm not missing anything. I know I'm not missing all the stupid whiners that berate papy about a CART sim....... Vintook "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <6YLk7.230448$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Mainly because I'm tired of seeing it posted everywhere like this. > > > >Oh, and the fact that they really stink as a racing organization, ieTexas. > > If you're going to ignore an entire racing series because of ONEboisterous fan

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> or ONE race that went wrong, then I don't know what to say... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The track has been there for 30 + years. Yes it rains in the midwest...although not like England or Belgium. THe river started when they fixed a previous flow...the water just diverted to the next lowest spot on the track. Bad call on Cart's part. But not a problem in decades of racing in good and bad weather. Texas...WHEN? Before the season? Before the 2001 tubs were built? Before the latest Honda/Ford/Toyota/Phoenix engine packages were shipped? Before Bridgestone finished up it's tires? The Rahal team with Kenny BRACK did test at Texas. They DID run for an afternoon, they did so in an 2000 spec car and ran at about 221mph. NO PROBLEM. Remember Brack was a former IRL champion who had raced IRL cars several times at Texas. He of all CART folks should have sniffed out any problems. But he didn't, and when they came back with the new cars, they OBLITERATED all previous IRL, Winston Cup etc speed records. If you can predict speed, why not just award the F1 WC to the team with the biggest budget NOW and save everyone the trouble of watching. Or should they have tested during the seaon? Do you take a team away from it's weekly preparations to spend a day at Texas? Then how do you compensate that team for the lost time...how do you compensate the REST of the teams that didn't get the chance to test? When the IRL started...Team Menard did all the engine and chassis testing. Before the IRL had turned a single lap the Mennard team had over 1000 laps at Indy and hundreds more at other tracks. Was that fair? It took almost two years for most of the teams to catch up with Mennard...fortunately he couldn't build a motor that would last under Tony Stewart's foot.... You don't like CART, that's ok... I do...that's ok also. I also like F1, Trans Am, bikes, trikes and airplanes etc etc...I'm a racing fan..and that's ok, except with my wife. dave henrie oops almost missed the end of your post...yeah I'm a stupid whiner. I remember Papyrus planning on building a new CART sim soon after N3(which was delayed to N4) Looking at N4...I can only imagine what running a tunnel- bottomed, turbo-charged, high downforce cars could be like. and so....for you and everyone else...I join Trus in saying... CART!!! dh "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%Tdl7.238607$[email hidden]... > I also recall a race lately where they had a river going across the track. > This racing organization cares nothing about it's drivers. It will letthem > race on the track with a dangerous drainage problem, (or not race, orrace, > or not, or will, or....) and it sets up races and sells tickets before it > has done any kind of testing. Putting one person in one car for one hourat

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> Texas would have shown them the problem. Did they have that hour? No, they > were too interested in the bottom money line than the safety of their > drivers. CART is a very bad organization. I would rather watch Grand Prix > and IRL or a dirt track race than any CART race. There is tons of other > racing on TV to watch so I'm not missing anything. I know I'm not missing > all the stupid whiners that berate papy about a CART sim....... > > Vintook > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <6YLk7.230448$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Mainly because I'm tired of seeing it posted everywhere like this. > > > > > >Oh, and the fact that they really stink as a racing organization, ie > Texas. > > > > If you're going to ignore an entire racing series because of ONE > boisterous fan > > or ONE race that went wrong, then I don't know what to say... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8Wgl7.38502$[email hidden]... > The track has been there for 30 + years. Yes it rains in the > midwest...although not like England or Belgium. THe river started whenthey > fixed a previous flow...the water just diverted to the next lowest spot on > the track. Bad call on Cart's part. But not a problem in decades ofracing > in good and bad weather. > Texas...WHEN? Before the season? Before the 2001 tubs were built? > Before the latest Honda/Ford/Toyota/Phoenix engine packages were shipped? > Before Bridgestone finished up it's tires? The Rahal team with KennyBRACK > did test at Texas. They DID run for an afternoon, they did so in an 2000 > spec car and ran at about 221mph. NO PROBLEM. Remember Brack was aformer > IRL champion who had raced IRL cars several times at Texas. He of allCART > folks should have sniffed out any problems. But he didn't, and when they > came back with the new cars, they OBLITERATED all previous IRL, WinstonCup > etc speed records. If you can predict speed, why not just award the F1WC

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> to the team with the biggest budget NOW and save everyone the trouble of > watching. > Or should they have tested during the seaon? Do you take a team away > from it's weekly preparations to spend a day at Texas? Then how do you > compensate that team for the lost time...how do you compensate the REST of > the teams that didn't get the chance to test? > When the IRL started...Team Menard did all the engine and chassis

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> Before the IRL had turned a single lap the Mennard team had over 1000 laps > at Indy and hundreds more at other tracks. Was that fair? It took almost > two years for most of the teams to catch up with Mennard...fortunately he > couldn't build a motor that would last under Tony Stewart's foot.... > You don't like CART, that's ok... > I do...that's ok also. > I also like F1, Trans Am, bikes, trikes and airplanes etc etc...I'm a

racing > fan..and that's ok, except with my wife. > dave henrie > oops almost missed the end of your post...yeah I'm a stupid whiner. I > remember Papyrus planning on building a new CART sim soon after N3(whichwas

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> delayed to N4) > Looking at N4...I can only imagine what running a tunnel- bottomed, > turbo-charged, high downforce cars could be like. and so....for you and > everyone else...I join Trus in saying... > CART!!! > dh >

I couldn't agree with you more, Dave. That was one of the best worded posts on this topic I have read to date. Regards, Robin

Yes it was a very articulate post and spelled out many good reasons to follow CART. I'm glad you enjoy it as many others do. However, you last thought just killed the message for me. :) I have a pretty good gut feeling that papy will never do a CART sim. They already did an open wheel sim. It was GPL, it was a masterpiece of software that will never be surpassed. It didn't sell. Nuff said, no CART sim, there just isn't enough of a market for it. Nascar has a huge market and they will stick to what they know will sell and sell and sell. You guys can scream at every employee that posts on the board but I don't really think you are going to get anywhere. Not that you guys don't try, and retry, and zzzzz retry, and ugh, retry again, and again, and zzzzz again, and................. Vintook "Robin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WVjl7.20614$[email hidden]...

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> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8Wgl7.38502$[email hidden]... > > The track has been there for 30 + years. Yes it rains in the > > midwest...although not like England or Belgium. THe river started when > they > > fixed a previous flow...the water just diverted to the next lowest spot

on > > the track. Bad call on Cart's part. But not a problem in decades of > racing > > in good and bad weather. > > Texas...WHEN? Before the season? Before the 2001 tubs were built? > > Before the latest Honda/Ford/Toyota/Phoenix engine packages wereshipped? > > Before Bridgestone finished up it's tires? The Rahal team with Kenny > BRACK > > did test at Texas. They DID run for an afternoon, they did so in an2000 > > spec car and ran at about 221mph. NO PROBLEM. Remember Brack was a > former > > IRL champion who had raced IRL cars several times at Texas. He of all > CART > > folks should have sniffed out any problems. But he didn't, and whenthey

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> > came back with the new cars, they OBLITERATED all previous IRL, Winston > Cup > > etc speed records. If you can predict speed, why not just award the F1 > WC > > to the team with the biggest budget NOW and save everyone the trouble of > > watching. > > Or should they have tested during the seaon? Do you take a team away > > from it's weekly preparations to spend a day at Texas? Then how do you > > compensate that team for the lost time...how do you compensate the REST

of > > the teams that didn't get the chance to test? > > When the IRL started...Team Menard did all the engine and chassis > testing. > > Before the IRL had turned a single lap the Mennard team had over 1000laps > > at Indy and hundreds more at other tracks. Was that fair? It tookalmost > > two years for most of the teams to catch up with Mennard...fortunatelyhe

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> > couldn't build a motor that would last under Tony Stewart's foot.... > > You don't like CART, that's ok... > > I do...that's ok also. > > I also like F1, Trans Am, bikes, trikes and airplanes etc etc...I'm a > racing > > fan..and that's ok, except with my wife. > > dave henrie > > oops almost missed the end of your post...yeah I'm a stupid whiner. I > > remember Papyrus planning on building a new CART sim soon after N3(which > was > > delayed to N4) > > Looking at N4...I can only imagine what running a tunnel- bottomed, > > turbo-charged, high downforce cars could be like. and so....for you and > > everyone else...I join Trus in saying... > > CART!!! > > dh > > > I couldn't agree with you more, Dave. That was one of the best worded

posts > on this topic I have read to date. > Regards, > Robin > >

"Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfxl7.243080$[email hidden]... > Yes it was a very articulate post and spelled out many good reasons to > follow CART. I'm glad you enjoy it as many others do. However, you last > thought just killed the message for me. :) Well...I'd be just as happy if they did a late 70's F1 sim. or even a modern F1 title...but to do that...they would need to make sure they include stuff like.... Leaving a car on it's jack stand AT THE START OF A RACE! Having a premier team change only 3 tires and then force the car to wait while a pit crew member scurries off to the back of the garage to find the 4th tire. These are integral to the sport...hope they include them. :) It doesn't matter what supposed level any racing series occupies...mistakes will still happen. dave henrie

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>I also recall a race lately where they had a river going across the track. >This racing organization cares nothing about it's drivers. It will let them >race on the track with a dangerous drainage problem, (or not race, or race, >or not, or will, or....) and it sets up races and sells tickets before it >has done any kind of testing. Putting one person in one car for one hour at >Texas would have shown them the problem. Did they have that hour? No, they >were too interested in the bottom money line than the safety of their >drivers. CART is a very bad organization. I would rather watch Grand Prix >and IRL or a dirt track race than any CART race. There is tons of other >racing on TV to watch so I'm not missing anything. I know I'm not missing >all the stupid whiners that berate papy about a CART sim....... >

Well, we've ALL seen races that carried on under what we would think were dangerous conditions. On an oval track, you wouldn't have seen that same decision, so they DO have driver safety in mind, IMO. I watch Grand Prix, IRL, NASCAR, and more - I'm glad there are so many options out there. I don't remember seeing anyone 'berate' Papy about a Cart sim. That implies that someone puts them down. I've seen people voice their opinions, but that doesn't fit my definition of 'berate'... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.