N4 Watkins Glen : HOW do you drive here ??

OK I confess I am kinda of new to N4 but I am not new to sims. but this Track REALLY try my skill in N4 Tried various setup etc and even downloaded some to try but I am still not getting to grip with it. I am still jumping around and skidding all over the place even with the hardest spring,....... most difficult for me is somehow my braking seems to induce some drifting , mostly to the left. Just can;t get it to brake into a straight line........ any help is appreciated ..........

Did you try the "<fast>" setup that comes with the game? That works okay for me. Regarding braking, it sounds like you need more front brake bias. "Gill Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> OK > I confess I am kinda of new to N4 > but I am not new to sims. > > but this Track REALLY try my skill in N4 > Tried various setup etc and even downloaded some > to try but I am still not getting to grip with it. > > > I am still jumping around and skidding all over the place > even with the hardest spring,....... > most difficult for me is somehow my braking seems to > induce some drifting , mostly to the left. > Just can;t get it to brake into a straight line........ > > > any help is appreciated .......... > >

Smmmoooootttthhh.. minimum everything on the input. Do you use a wheel? then use atleast 60% linearity ( I use 85% w/ my TSW2). Never ever lock up your tires entering a turn, they cant take it for more than a few laps. Last league race I ran at WG (HGNS) i pitted on lap 30, fixed league - fast setup. Keep at it. Charlie Buscher http://www.sscaracing.com [email hidden] http://www.hgns.org <-- soon. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eosk7.45821$[email hidden]...

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> Did you try the "<fast>" setup that comes with the game? That works > okay for me. Regarding braking, it sounds like you need more front > brake bias. > > > "Gill Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > OK > > I confess I am kinda of new to N4 > > but I am not new to sims. > > > > but this Track REALLY try my skill in N4 > > Tried various setup etc and even downloaded some > > to try but I am still not getting to grip with it. > > > > > > I am still jumping around and skidding all over the place > > even with the hardest spring,....... > > most difficult for me is somehow my braking seems to > > induce some drifting , mostly to the left. > > Just can;t get it to brake into a straight line........ > > > > > > any help is appreciated .......... > > > > > >

Jump in the car of one of the other cars, watch the gears and the braking they do, this helped me alot, and again alot of wheel time and be smooth. "Charlie Buscher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mavk7.2144$[email hidden]... > Smmmoooootttthhh.. minimum everything on the input. Do you use a wheel? > then use atleast 60% linearity ( I use 85% w/ my TSW2). Never ever lock up > your tires entering a turn, they cant take it for more than a few laps.Last

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> league race I ran at WG (HGNS) i pitted on lap 30, fixed league - fast > setup. Keep at it. > > Charlie Buscher > http://www.sscaracing.com > [email hidden] > http://www.hgns.org <-- soon. > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eosk7.45821$[email hidden]... > > Did you try the "<fast>" setup that comes with the game? That works > > okay for me. Regarding braking, it sounds like you need more front > > brake bias. > > > > > > "Gill Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > OK > > > I confess I am kinda of new to N4 > > > but I am not new to sims. > > > > > > but this Track REALLY try my skill in N4 > > > Tried various setup etc and even downloaded some > > > to try but I am still not getting to grip with it. > > > > > > > > > I am still jumping around and skidding all over the place > > > even with the hardest spring,....... > > > most difficult for me is somehow my braking seems to > > > induce some drifting , mostly to the left. > > > Just can;t get it to brake into a straight line........ > > > > > > > > > any help is appreciated .......... > > > > > > > > > > > >

thanks guys for the encouragement I tried putting more to the front but that only locks up the brakes and reduce braking distance Any case, any setup you can post ??? unfortunately I am still using my trusty MS sidewinder joystick IT is still very solid after all these abuses for so many years.... makes me think about getting the MS wheel (Although I am MOST disinclined to buy thing MS ) how is the accuracy tracking of the TS wheel ??? Charlie Buscher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mavk7.2144$[email hidden]... > Smmmoooootttthhh.. minimum everything on the input. Do you use a wheel? > then use atleast 60% linearity ( I use 85% w/ my TSW2). Never ever lock up > your tires entering a turn, they cant take it for more than a few laps.Last

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> league race I ran at WG (HGNS) i pitted on lap 30, fixed league - fast > setup. Keep at it. > > Charlie Buscher > http://www.sscaracing.com > [email hidden] > http://www.hgns.org <-- soon. > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eosk7.45821$[email hidden]... > > Did you try the "<fast>" setup that comes with the game? That works > > okay for me. Regarding braking, it sounds like you need more front > > brake bias. > > > > > > "Gill Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > OK > > > I confess I am kinda of new to N4 > > > but I am not new to sims. > > > > > > but this Track REALLY try my skill in N4 > > > Tried various setup etc and even downloaded some > > > to try but I am still not getting to grip with it. > > > > > > > > > I am still jumping around and skidding all over the place > > > even with the hardest spring,....... > > > most difficult for me is somehow my braking seems to > > > induce some drifting , mostly to the left. > > > Just can;t get it to brake into a straight line........ > > > > > > > > > any help is appreciated .......... > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:43:38 +0800, Gill Bates wrote: > how is the accuracy tracking of the TS wheel ??? If you mean the TSW2, it is excellent. One of the best wheels money can buy. Check it out here: http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/ -- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

The secret to taming the Glenn is to enter slow and exit fast. I know you have heard this before, but it is true. One of the best ways to learn the braking points and line around the track is to watch the replay that Papy supplied with the game. Go to Replays section and load the replay for the Glenn. I literaly watched the replay 20 times in a row to get a good handle on the braking points and the line. If you do that, you will find that the set up you think is terrible, isn't so bad after all. If you want to check out a set up that may be suited to your style of driving, go to www.torn8oalley.com The set ups also have replays of hot laps to show you how the author ran their fastest lap. Good luck and good racing, T-Man#66 "Gill Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> OK > I confess I am kinda of new to N4 > but I am not new to sims. > > but this Track REALLY try my skill in N4 > Tried various setup etc and even downloaded some > to try but I am still not getting to grip with it. > > > I am still jumping around and skidding all over the place > even with the hardest spring,....... > most difficult for me is somehow my braking seems to > induce some drifting , mostly to the left. > Just can;t get it to brake into a straight line........ > > > any help is appreciated .......... > >

Also race Guy Wilson or Chris Moses online a few times and see just how badly you really can be... :) | The secret to taming the Glenn is to enter slow and exit fast. I know you | have heard this before, but it is true. One of the best ways to learn the | braking points and line around the track is to watch the replay that Papy | supplied with the game. Go to Replays section and load the replay for the | Glenn. I literaly watched the replay 20 times in a row to get a goodhandle | on the braking points and the line. If you do that, you will find thatthe | set up you think is terrible, isn't so bad after all. If you want tocheck | out a set up that may be suited to your style of driving, go to | www.torn8oalley.com The set ups also have replays of hot laps to show you | how the author ran their fastest lap. | | Good luck and good racing, | T-Man#66 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

I was in a race where someone ran an extremely fast lap (119 plus) on the last lap of about 10 or 12 laps. This guys was awesome (wish I could remember his/her name to give credit here). I rode with him in the for some laps and man, what a thrill ride, ragged edge the whole time! My lap times are handicapped since I use a digital joystick I have no option but to use the default anti lock brakes that are used by default with joysticks. But, having said that, I have managed some hot laps that keep me in the hunt for a top 5 finish. Actually, I could opt for not using the anti lock brakes if I wanted to use either the twist axis or forward/aft axis of the joystick, but I find that I end up being a hazard to others because of how twisting/pulling/pushing affects my steering. "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kVNk7.166067$[email hidden]... > Also race Guy Wilson or Chris Moses online a few times and > see just how badly you really can be... :) > > | The secret to taming the Glenn is to enter slow and exit fast. I knowyou > | have heard this before, but it is true. One of the best ways to learnthe > | braking points and line around the track is to watch the replay thatPapy > | supplied with the game. Go to Replays section and load the replay forthe

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> | Glenn. I literaly watched the replay 20 times in a row to get a good > handle > | on the braking points and the line. If you do that, you will find that > the > | set up you think is terrible, isn't so bad after all. If you want to > check > | out a set up that may be suited to your style of driving, go to > | www.torn8oalley.com The set ups also have replays of hot laps to show

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> | how the author ran their fastest lap. > | > | Good luck and good racing, > | T-Man#66 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001 > > >

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kVNk7.166067$[email hidden]... > Also race Guy Wilson or Chris Moses online a few times and > see just how badly you really can be... :) > > | The secret to taming the Glenn is to enter slow and exit fast. I knowyou > | have heard this before, but it is true. One of the best ways to learnthe > | braking points and line around the track is to watch the replay thatPapy > | supplied with the game. Go to Replays section and load the replay forthe

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> | Glenn. I literaly watched the replay 20 times in a row to get a good > handle > | on the braking points and the line. If you do that, you will find that > the > | set up you think is terrible, isn't so bad after all. If you want to > check > | out a set up that may be suited to your style of driving, go to > | www.torn8oalley.com The set ups also have replays of hot laps to show

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> | how the author ran their fastest lap. > | > | Good luck and good racing, > | T-Man#66 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001 > > >

Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kVNk7.166067$[email hidden]... > Also race Guy Wilson or Chris Moses online a few times and > see just how badly you really can be... :) Its actaully disgusting how fast Guy Wilson has become. I remember back a time when Guy was trying to come to grips with GPL. He was really wild and spent a lot of time mowing the various lawns of foreign tracks around the world. Now I join a race that he is in and I get a real education on how to race a Stock Car or a Formula 1 car. It really shows how anyone can go fast in either of these games. and yes Guy if you read this I will openly admit that you can beat me now. Dave

"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qiOk7.65251$[email hidden]... <snip> > My lap times are handicapped since I use a digital joystick I have nooption > but to use the default anti lock brakes that are used by default with > joysticks. But, having said that, I have managed some hot laps thatkeep me > in the hunt for a top 5 finish. Actually, I could opt for not usingthe > anti lock brakes if I wanted to use either the twist axis orforward/aft > axis of the joystick, but I find that I end up being a hazard toothers > because of how twisting/pulling/pushing affects my steering. I normally use a wheel, but try to keep in practice with the joystick since I don't like taking my wheel to lan games. What I do that seems to work okay is to put the throttle on the joystick vertical axis and the brakes on the joystick's throttle slider. It's still a bit tricky, but at least this allows for trail braking. Having throttle and steering on the stick can be a problem, but since you are steering as much with the throttle as with the steering wheel anyway, it's not as bad as it might sound.

T-Man I would also like to add the GuyW & ChrisM are both 2 really nice guys and will help you in a heartbeat!! To me, they are true good sim racers! Also Guy has a server up in 'WON' so just hop in or look for GuyW in NY Lobby1! This dude is fast, clean & a extremely nice bloke! Hell you might even see this old dude too!! hahaha :) | I was in a race where someone ran an extremely fast lap (119 plus) on the | last lap of about 10 or 12 laps. This guys was awesome (wish I could | remember his/her name to give credit here). I rode with him in the forsome | laps and man, what a thrill ride, ragged edge the whole time! | | My lap times are handicapped since I use a digital joystick I have nooption | but to use the default anti lock brakes that are used by default with | joysticks. But, having said that, I have managed some hot laps that keepme | in the hunt for a top 5 finish. Actually, I could opt for not using the | anti lock brakes if I wanted to use either the twist axis or forward/aft | axis of the joystick, but I find that I end up being a hazard to others | because of how twisting/pulling/pushing affects my steering. | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001

Well David to me, this is one hell of a nice dude and yup he kicks azz with both the Nascar Tanks & the GPL F1s.. One thing I feel is he is always willing to help & this is rare at times! Also Chris is the same way!! Hell I don't care if I win or lose as long as I am having fun racing or learning "How to" get around these tracks via GuyW or Chris & of course many many more online.. Isnt this what its all about online anyway? :) "DAVID J ROBINSON" wrote: | Its actaully disgusting how fast Guy Wilson has become. I remember back a | time when Guy was trying to come to grips with GPL. He was really wildand | spent a lot of time mowing the various lawns of foreign tracks around the | world. Now I join a race that he is in and I get a real education on howto | race a Stock Car or a Formula 1 car. It really shows how anyone can gofast

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| in either of these games. | | and yes Guy if you read this I will openly admit that you can beat me now. | | Dave | | | Thom j. wrote: | > Also race Guy Wilson or Chris Moses online a few times and | > see just how badly you really can be... :)

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Yeow Haqsau, I thought racing with a wheel and paddles for my gas/brake right on the wheel was tuff..lol :) "Haqsau" wrote:

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| I normally use a wheel, but try to keep in practice with the joystick | since I don't like taking my wheel to lan games. What I do that seems | to work okay is to put the throttle on the joystick vertical axis and | the brakes on the joystick's throttle slider. It's still a bit tricky, | but at least this allows for trail braking. Having throttle and | steering on the stick can be a problem, but since you are steering as | much with the throttle as with the steering wheel anyway, it's not as | bad as it might sound. |

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Thom: with accolades like that, i would be honoured to have my friends give me credit like that. Bet you're no slouch either. I will definitely check out the WON site, have not done that since going to N4 from N3. Actually, did not realize that WON had an N4 server going. I know what you mean though about fellow enthusiats who are willing to help. If I can plug some guys I know, it would be David "Kessman" Kesterson, Gene "Geneman" Casey, and the other originators of Torn8oAlley.com . These guys are awesome. Anytime you want to stop by our server for some pick up races, please do so. Check out our site anytime, www.torn8oalley.com. T-Man#66 "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lmPk7.166127$[email hidden]...

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> T-Man I would also like to add the GuyW & ChrisM are both 2 really > nice guys and will help you in a heartbeat!! To me, they are true good > sim racers! Also Guy has a server up in 'WON' so just hop in or look > for GuyW in NY Lobby1! This dude is fast, clean & a extremely nice > bloke! Hell you might even see this old dude too!! hahaha :) > > | I was in a race where someone ran an extremely fast lap (119 plus) on

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> | last lap of about 10 or 12 laps. This guys was awesome (wish I could > | remember his/her name to give credit here). I rode with him in the for > some > | laps and man, what a thrill ride, ragged edge the whole time! > | > | My lap times are handicapped since I use a digital joystick I have no > option > | but to use the default anti lock brakes that are used by default with > | joysticks. But, having said that, I have managed some hot laps that

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> me > | in the hunt for a top 5 finish. Actually, I could opt for not using the > | anti lock brakes if I wanted to use either the twist axis or forward/aft > | axis of the joystick, but I find that I end up being a hazard to others > | because of how twisting/pulling/pushing affects my steering. > | > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 8/16/2001 > > >

Thom, I have know guy for three years. He is a great guy, and I consider him a friend of mine. It is kinda funny what a difference time makes. I remember when GPL came out and getting with him and some other online buddies and working on getting control of GPL cars. Well its been three years and I have been in and out of playing GPL and other games a lot. Well seeing Guy run GPL and racing him in N4 has actaully been fun, and as I mentioned a bit of an education. I really worked with Guy to help him get a handle on the GPL cars, we had a blast. Now he is educating me on getting down and pushing an N4 car hard and not leaving the track. So I can say its dusgusting how fast Guy has become in both GPL and N4. Why well a while back I was working on setups for him and well now I am trying to come to grips with having him pass me in places that are flat embarassing. And Guy, I am still working on setups for Sears and Watkins, I am getting closer so watch out this old dog may still be able to hunt. Dave Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nyPk7.166155$[email hidden]...

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> Well David to me, this is one hell of a nice dude and yup he kicks > azz with both the Nascar Tanks & the GPL F1s.. One thing I feel > is he is always willing to help & this is rare at times! Also Chris is > the same way!! > Hell I don't care if I win or lose as long as I am having fun racing > or learning "How to" get around these tracks via GuyW or Chris > & of course many many more online.. Isnt this what its all about > online anyway? :) >

Well I have my moments T-Man.lol but I guess I'm just average? I enjoy many of the great racers' online and I have left many out! The three that got me really started learning about online sims, is Alison Hines, Graeme Nash & Tim Wheatley. They spent hours online just helping with their expertize & I thank them! There are many others that would take forever' to mention & I thank them too! To me most all sim racers I have raced online are good, its just the few that ruin it for many but I opt to 'negate' comments here.. :) Cheers -Thom_j. | Thom: with accolades like that, i would be honoured to have my friendsgive | me credit like that. Bet you're no slouch either. I will definitelycheck | out the WON site, have not done that since going to N4 from N3. Actually, | did not realize that WON had an N4 server going. | | I know what you mean though about fellow enthusiats who are willing tohelp. | If I can plug some guys I know, it would be David "Kessman" Kesterson,Gene | "Geneman" Casey, and the other originators of Torn8oAlley.com . Theseguys | are awesome. Anytime you want to stop by our server for some pick upraces, | please do so. Check out our site anytime, www.torn8oalley.com. | | T-Man#66 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.276 / Virus Database: 145 - Release Date: 9/3/2001

So David actually we both agree..lol We just look at it from a bit of a different perspective!! :) Btw: I too have raced with Guy for 3yrs and many others. Odd I dont remember your name but this means nothing cuz many days I cant remember my own! Ouch! :) "DAVID J ROBINSON" wrote: | Thom, I have know guy for three years. He is a great guy, and I consider | him a friend of mine. It is kinda funny what a difference time makes. I | remember when GPL came out and getting with him and some other online | buddies and working on getting control of GPL cars. Well its been three | years and I have been in and out of playing GPL and other games a lot.Well | seeing Guy run GPL and racing him in N4 has actaully been fun, and as I | mentioned a bit of an education. I really worked with Guy to help him geta | handle on the GPL cars, we had a blast. Now he is educating me ongetting | down and pushing an N4 car hard and not leaving the track. | | So I can say its dusgusting how fast Guy has become in both GPL and N4.Why

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| well a while back I was working on setups for him and well now I am trying | to come to grips with having him pass me in places that are flat | embarassing. | | And Guy, I am still working on setups for Sears and Watkins, I am getting | closer so watch out this old dog may still be able to hunt. | | Dave

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Thom, Well there was Guy Wilson, David Price, and a couple other guys who would show up Friday night( Saturday for David Price since he was in the land of OZ), and we would run laps and race till the cows came home. I really enjoyed racing with them. I like running with Guy even now tho I am not able to present any competition for him. I am working on that tho. Its tough in N4 right now for me since I am slower then Guy and George, but still ahead of a lot of guys on the road courses. My nic at sierra.com is Robinsonracing so if you see me gimme a hollar. Dave Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g4Tk7.166880$[email hidden]...

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> So David actually we both agree..lol We just look at it from a bit > of a different perspective!! :) Btw: I too have raced with Guy for > 3yrs and many others. Odd I dont remember your name but this > means nothing cuz many days I cant remember my own! Ouch! :) > > "DAVID J ROBINSON" wrote: > | Thom, I have know guy for three years. He is a great guy, and I

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> | him a friend of mine. It is kinda funny what a difference time makes. I > | remember when GPL came out and getting with him and some other online > | buddies and working on getting control of GPL cars. Well its been three > | years and I have been in and out of playing GPL and other games a lot. > Well > | seeing Guy run GPL and racing him in N4 has actaully been fun, and as I > | mentioned a bit of an education. I really worked with Guy to help him

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> a > | handle on the GPL cars, we had a blast. Now he is educating me on > getting > | down and pushing an N4 car hard and not leaving the track. > | > | So I can say its dusgusting how fast Guy has become in both GPL and N4. > Why > | well a while back I was working on setups for him and well now I am

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> | closer so watch out this old dog may still be able to hunt. > | > | Dave > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.276 / Virus Database: 145 - Release Date: 9/3/2001 > >

Btu David, "O" ok.. I raced & still race mostly during the day via Eastern US time. I do race after midnight alot lately via N4 as I rarely sleep anymore! Its something that I acquired recently.. So since it seems I cant shake it, I race.. :) btw: I hope you dont think I'm even close to Guy or the others! I just love racing online & GuyW has a good connect. He usually waves as he laps me.. hahaha "DAVID J ROBINSON" wrote:

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| Thom, | | Well there was Guy Wilson, David Price, and a couple other guys who would | show up Friday night( Saturday for David Price since he was in the land of | OZ), and we would run laps and race till the cows came home. I really | enjoyed racing with them. I like running with Guy even now tho I am not | able to present any competition for him. I am working on that tho. Its | tough in N4 right now for me since I am slower then Guy and George, but | still ahead of a lot of guys on the road courses. | | My nic at sierra.com is Robinsonracing so if you see me gimme a hollar. | | Dave

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to work okay is to put the throttle on the joystick vertical axis and > the brakes on the joystick's throttle slider YOU ARE IMAGINATIVE !! I have tried that before but I rather buy a wheel and pedal....... Haqsau <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q5Pk7.54760$[email hidden]...

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> "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qiOk7.65251$[email hidden]... > <snip> > > My lap times are handicapped since I use a digital joystick I have no > option > > but to use the default anti lock brakes that are used by default with > > joysticks. But, having said that, I have managed some hot laps that > keep me > > in the hunt for a top 5 finish. Actually, I could opt for not using > the > > anti lock brakes if I wanted to use either the twist axis or > forward/aft > > axis of the joystick, but I find that I end up being a hazard to > others > > because of how twisting/pulling/pushing affects my steering. > > I normally use a wheel, but try to keep in practice with the joystick > since I don't like taking my wheel to lan games. What I do that seems > to work okay is to put the throttle on the joystick vertical axis and > the brakes on the joystick's throttle slider. It's still a bit tricky, > but at least this allows for trail braking. Having throttle and > steering on the stick can be a problem, but since you are steering as > much with the throttle as with the steering wheel anyway, it's not as > bad as it might sound. >