Most Realistic Raceing Sim

I loved GPL a couple years ago, but now I use a GForce and this sim is somewhat dated. What sims besides NASCAR 4 are realistic and have good gameplay? Thanks Ron [email hidden]

With all the add-ons, IMO GPL is about as good as it gets until maybe WSC is released. The updated textures and cars available running at higher resolutions make it look almost life-like. And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash ron behee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I loved GPL a couple years ago, but now I use a GForce and this sim is > somewhat dated. What sims besides NASCAR 4 are realistic and have > good gameplay? > > Thanks > Ron > [email hidden]

Well, while it too looks a tad dated and has less than perfect network play, GP3 (2K) is still the most realistic racing sim'. My guess is that it will stay that way until GP4 is released. Whilst there are things to admire about GPL, hugely powered cars with no brakes or aerodynamics to speak of aren't exactly my idea of the perfect *racing* car and make for a relatively sloppy gameplay experience.

"Biz" wrote:... > And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - beat's GPL's physics hands down. -- ed_

On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Biz" wrote:... >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - >beat's GPL's physics hands down. Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. :-( -- JB

On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Biz" wrote:... >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - >beat's GPL's physics hands down. ...Except for the fact that you only turn left :P GPL is still the best sim IMO. N4 is great for ovals, GP3 2000 is the most realistic F1 sim (if you don't mind the shitty graphics too much) Rafe Mc

"hugely powered cars with no brakes or aerodynamics to speak of aren't exactly my idea of the perfect *racing* car " I like to call them flying hot water heaters myself :) MadDAWG

Enjoy it anyway. There's more than one racing series in the world<G> -John John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >"Biz" wrote:... > >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > :-( > > -- JB

Could be far worse... it could be IRL. Scott PA-Scott PowerSimsMag.com "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >"Biz" wrote:... > >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > :-( > > -- JB

Ouch.. that'll leave a mark.... btgoss Seriously tho'...please note that IRL attendance is up and CART's is down...IRL adds more tracks and keeps a fairly good TV deal... CART has to shop around and go with FOX...which will treat CART like a redheaded stepchild to the cash cow that is NASCAR.... just my thoughts tho' "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5OIs7.452$[email hidden]...

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> Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > > Scott > PA-Scott > PowerSimsMag.com > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >"Biz" wrote:... > > >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > > >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > > > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > > > :-( > > > > -- JB > >

So how does that not make it based on GPL's engine, if its an evolution? And as another poster writes... "Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though." -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XOFs7.2410$[email hidden]... > "Biz" wrote:... > > And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > > as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > -- > ed_ > > >

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> Ouch.. that'll leave a mark.... > > btgoss > > > Seriously tho'...please note that IRL attendance is up and CART's is > down...IRL adds more tracks and keeps a fairly good TV deal... CART has to > shop around and go with FOX...which will treat CART like a redheaded > stepchild to the cash cow that is NASCAR.... just my thoughts tho' >

First things first- the only reason the IRL has any attendance at all is because of ticket bundles with NASCAR events- they can't give a ticket away to anything but those events and the 500. CART, on the other hand, put more butts in the seats at the last 2 events than the IRL could ever dream of if it wasn't for the aforementioned bundling. The street events routinely see 200, 000 people for the weekend. And there is no way that any TV deal could be worse than being on ABC. The FX/Speedvision combo will work nicely, I think- but TV isn't what it's all about. NASCAR is made for TV, and the IRL is just a low-caliber wannabe NASCAR. CART will live on the raceday attendance and the burgeoning worldwide appeal. The IRL should have died a couple years ago, and hopefully will in the next couple years(when Tony George runs out of money)- we don't need the gene pool polluted any more than it is, with half-ass drivers and has beens given any credence. The IRL is the only place they can run outside of local short tracks, which is where they belong, IMO. Just my opinion, but that opinion is that the IRL sucks and always will.... Scott Moore

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> > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5OIs7.452$[email hidden]... > > Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > > > > Scott > > PA-Scott > > PowerSimsMag.com > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >"Biz" wrote:... > > > >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > > > >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > > > > > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > > > > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > > > > > :-( > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > >

I never said it wouldn't! I just wanted to clarify (unlike the way you put it) that N4's physics is in fact *better* than GPL's - although they are both _based_ on the same core. -- ed_ Biz said: > So how does that not make it based on GPL's engine, if its an evolution? > And as another poster writes... > > "Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though." > > > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XOFs7.2410$[email hidden]... > > "Biz" wrote:... > > > And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > > > as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. 2> > > > N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > > > -- > > ed_ >

>I loved GPL a couple years ago, but now I use a GForce and this sim is >somewhat dated. What sims besides NASCAR 4 are realistic and have >good gameplay? Nascar revolution!!

When you have 1 person at the race, and somebody else walks into the track because they think the county fair demolition derby is going on by mistake.... that is not a good definition of an increase in attendance. Tony George: "Look Ma! I doubled the attendance!!" ;) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s8Ls7.21324$[email hidden]... > Ouch.. that'll leave a mark.... > > btgoss > > > Seriously tho'...please note that IRL attendance is up and CART's is > down...IRL adds more tracks and keeps a fairly good TV deal... CART has to > shop around and go with FOX...which will treat CART like a redheaded > stepchild to the cash cow that is NASCAR.... just my thoughts tho' > > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5OIs7.452$[email hidden]... > > Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > > > > Scott > > PA-Scott > > PowerSimsMag.com > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >"Biz" wrote:... > > > >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > > > >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > > > > > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > > > > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > > > > > :-( > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > >

"NYR2113594" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I loved GPL a couple years ago, but now I use a GForce and this sim is > >somewhat dated. What sims besides NASCAR 4 are realistic and have > >good gameplay? > > Nascar revolution!! uh??? :o)

Thank god. Mike Grandy Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Biz" wrote:... >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - >beat's GPL's physics hands down. Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. :-( -- JB

> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > :-( > -- JB TPTCC(N4) is comming! can you say Spa, Nurbyring et al ???? dave henrie

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> > Seriously tho'...please note that IRL attendance is up and CART's is > down...IRL adds more tracks and keeps a fairly good TV deal... CART has to > shop around and go with FOX...which will treat CART like a redheaded > stepchild to the cash cow that is NASCAR.... just my thoughts tho' > > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

yessss but.... Disney has a track that the IRL runs,,you could call them partners...Disney owns ABC/ESPN you could say that partners of the IRL might be inclined to show preference to that league. I suspect we will be delighted with the nascarvisin...errrr Speedvision coverage of CART. dave henrie

Damien Smith <[email hidden]> wrote on 27 Sep 2001: <snip> > hugely powered cars with no > brakes or aerodynamics to speak of aren't exactly my idea of the > perfect *racing* car<snip> <shakes head sadly, as True Believers often do...> -- One-line reply + 300-line quote = unread post. Hey, if it hadn't been for King Alfred in the 9th century we'd all be speaking Danish now. I must kiss the [feet - Ed] of all Danes I meet...

Please be careful in saying "it's coming" ;) The timeframe is most definitely a wide one. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 PowerSimsMag.com "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ijPs7.46738$[email hidden]... > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > :-( > > -- JB > TPTCC(N4) is comming! can you say Spa, Nurbyring et al ???? > dave henrie > >

I thought that was a SPOT-On prediction :) dave henrie "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Please be careful in saying "it's coming" ;) The timeframe is most > definitely a wide one. >

Perhaps if the powers that might be would disclose some of their file-format knowledge we might see some more tools and utilities for N4 - like we did for GPL. -- ed_ Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> skrev i news:[email hidden]... > Please be careful in saying "it's coming" ;) The timeframe is most > definitely a wide one. > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 4395450 > PowerSimsMag.com > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ijPs7.46738$[email hidden]... > > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > > > > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > > :-( > > > -- JB > > TPTCC(N4) is comming! can you say Spa, Nurbyring et al ???? > > dave henrie > > > > > >

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> I loved GPL a couple years ago, but now I use a GForce and this sim is > somewhat dated. What sims besides NASCAR 4 are realistic and have > good gameplay? > > Thanks > Ron > [email hidden] >

Viper Racing :-) -- "Life is what you experience between racing games" Galley

Can't speak to that...I'm only a user. Not a power. It would be nice if they did open things up, but I think at least for the initial release of the N4 based tptcc(whenever that is...) they will play things pretty close to the vest. Just my uninformed observation. dave henrie "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WEQs7.2954$[email hidden]... > Perhaps if the powers that might be would disclose some of theirfile-format

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> knowledge we might see some more tools and utilities for N4 - like we did > for GPL. > > -- > ed_ > > > Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> skrev i > news:[email hidden]... > > Please be careful in saying "it's coming" ;) The timeframe is most > > definitely a wide one. > > > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > > ICQ# 4395450 > > PowerSimsMag.com > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ijPs7.46738$[email hidden]... > > > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > > > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > > > > > > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > > > :-( > > > > -- JB > > > TPTCC(N4) is comming! can you say Spa, Nurbyring et al ???? > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > >

The most accurate physics can currently be found in SOS 1937, Le Mans 24hrs, Dick Johnsons V8 Challenge and NFS High Stakes ;) Rafe Mc On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:43:21 GMT, [email hidden] (ron behee) wrote:

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>I loved GPL a couple years ago, but now I use a GForce and this sim is >somewhat dated. What sims besides NASCAR 4 are realistic and have >good gameplay? > >Thanks >Ron >[email hidden]

"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > <snip> > > Hey, if it hadn't been for King Alfred in the 9th century we'd all be > speaking Danish now. I must kiss the [feet - Ed] of all Danes I meet... L L <-- (feet, in case you wondered) Get busy David ;o)

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> Ouch.. that'll leave a mark.... > > btgoss > > > Seriously tho'...please note that IRL attendance is up and CART's is > down...IRL adds more tracks and keeps a fairly good TV deal... CART has to > shop around and go with FOX...which will treat CART like a redheaded > stepchild to the cash cow that is NASCAR.... just my thoughts tho'

Do people still fall for the IRL propaganda ? :)

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> > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5OIs7.452$[email hidden]... > > Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > > > > Scott > > PA-Scott > > PowerSimsMag.com > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >"Biz" wrote:... > > > >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > > > >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > > > > > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > > > > > Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > > > > > :-( > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > >

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"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The most accurate physics can currently be found in SOS 1937, Le Mans > 24hrs, Dick Johnsons V8 Challenge and NFS High Stakes ;) Yeah, and a Subaru WRX uses rubber bands instead of an engine ;-) Cheers Simon

Yeah, and a Subaru WRX uses *** bands instead of an engine ;-) Cheers Simon

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Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks. Kind of like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the current Nascar tracks. Doesn't make for much immersion IMO. Are some great mods though, no doubt. I'd like to see a CART sim too. -John John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART > sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Seems to me > like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR > sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. > > Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work > TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both > as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't > be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. > > Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't > even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. > > > Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're > going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong > time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice > from time-to-time. > > :-/ > > -- JB > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > > > >Scott > >PA-Scott > >PowerSimsMag.com > > > > > >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >"Biz" wrote:... > >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > >> > > >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > >> > >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > >> > >> :-( > >> > >> -- JB > > > > >

LOL - Yeah but "it's coming" but be interpreted as "coming soon" and thus suffer from the WSC attacks ;) I can't speak for Mr. Noonan, but I feel pretty safe in saying that if it were an 'easy' task to do, he would have loved to have done the conversions and released them already. Scott PA-Scott PowerSimsMag.com The US Pits "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2wQs7.46788$[email hidden]...

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> I thought that was a SPOT-On prediction :) > dave henrie > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Please be careful in saying "it's coming" ;) The timeframe is most > > definitely a wide one. > > > > >

Try DL'ing Aardvark Park and Donington, for starters (road courses converted from SCGT and GP 500). And then try driving a Stocker and a Champcar back to back on the same track. HUGE difference, not like the same beast at all. Thanks to the cooperation and help of the good guys at MGI along with the efforts of a few people in the sim community like John Bodin, Thomas Heineman and others, Heat is on the way to becoming something like the universal sim everyone professes to want, allowing different series, add-on tracks and graphics, and a stable, cheat-protected online environment for a full field of competitors. Not perfect, but a truly good thing, IMHO. Thanks to all involved. Cheers, Steve B. "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks. Kind of > like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the > current Nascar tracks. > Doesn't make for much immersion IMO. Are some great mods though, no > doubt. I'd like to see a CART sim too. > > -John > > > John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART > > sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Seems to me > > like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR > > sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. > > > > Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work > > TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both > > as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't > > be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. > > > > Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't > > even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. > > > > > > Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're > > going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong > > time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice > > from time-to-time. > > > > :-/ > > > > -- JB > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > > > > > >Scott > > >PA-Scott > > >PowerSimsMag.com > > > > > > > > >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> >"Biz" wrote:... > > >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > > >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > >> > > > >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > >> > > >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > >> > > >> :-( > > >> > > >> -- JB > > > > > > > > > >

Road Atlanta, Aardvark Park, and Donington have already been released, and there are more conversions and original tracks in the works -- including Lausitzring (BOTH the oval AND the road course) as well as Laguna Seca. Have you tried the CART mod for NASCAR Heat: http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/ There's also a CART mod for F1 2001 and F1 Championship Season 2001: http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm Good stuff! ;-) -- JB On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:50 -0600, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks. Kind of >like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the >current Nascar tracks. > Doesn't make for much immersion IMO. Are some great mods though, no >doubt. I'd like to see a CART sim too. > >-John > > >John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART >> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Seems to me >> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR >> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. >> >> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work >> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both >> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't >> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. >> >> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't >> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. >> >> >> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're >> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong >> time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice >> from time-to-time. >> >> :-/ >> >> -- JB >> >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL. >> > >> >Scott >> >PA-Scott >> >PowerSimsMag.com >> > >> > >> >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:[email hidden]... >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Biz" wrote:... >> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, >> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. >> >> > >> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - >> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down. >> >> >> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. >> >> >> >> :-( >> >> >> >> -- JB >> > >> > >> > >

How can you fail to mention Test Drive 6????? :-p ;-) -- JB On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 04:33:25 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) wrote:

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>The most accurate physics can currently be found in SOS 1937, Le Mans >24hrs, Dick Johnsons V8 Challenge and NFS High Stakes ;) > >Rafe Mc > > >On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:43:21 GMT, [email hidden] (ron behee) wrote: > >>I loved GPL a couple years ago, but now I use a GForce and this sim is >>somewhat dated. What sims besides NASCAR 4 are realistic and have >>good gameplay? >> >>Thanks >>Ron >>[email hidden] >

"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't > even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. As a slack jawed papyphile in my defence Nascar Heat has never been, nor ever will be, available for sale in Great Britain. N4 was, if only for two months before vanishing completely :oD cheers John

Ed Solheim wrote: > > Perhaps if the powers that might be would disclose some of their file-format > knowledge we might see some more tools and utilities for N4 - like we did > for GPL. Sure, no problem, far as I know you have the e-mail to the appropriate guys at Papy :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Thanks for the info., obviously, I hadn't paid much attention to it for awhile. I tried the CART mod when it first came out is all. -John John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Road Atlanta, Aardvark Park, and Donington have already been released, > and there are more conversions and original tracks in the works -- > including Lausitzring (BOTH the oval AND the road course) as well as > Laguna Seca. > > Have you tried the CART mod for NASCAR Heat: > > http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/ > > There's also a CART mod for F1 2001 and F1 Championship Season 2001: > > http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm > > Good stuff! > > ;-) > > -- JB > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:50 -0600, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks. Kind of > >like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the > >current Nascar tracks. > > Doesn't make for much immersion IMO. Are some great mods though, no > >doubt. I'd like to see a CART sim too. > > > >-John > > > > > >John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART > >> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Seems to me > >> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR > >> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. > >> > >> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work > >> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both > >> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't > >> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. > >> > >> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't > >> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. > >> > >> > >> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're > >> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong > >> time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice > >> from time-to-time. > >> > >> :-/ > >> > >> -- JB > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > >> > > >> >Scott > >> >PA-Scott > >> >PowerSimsMag.com > >> > > >> > > >> >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> >news:[email hidden]... > >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim"

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> >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Biz" wrote:... > >> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > >> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > >> >> > > >> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > >> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > >> >> > >> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > >> >> > >> >> :-( > >> >> > >> >> -- JB > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >

I haven't messed with Heat for awhile, but at the time, cheating was rampant on IRF with it. Has this changed too? -John Steve Blankenship <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vx0t7.6830$[email hidden]... > Try DL'ing Aardvark Park and Donington, for starters (road coursesconverted from SCGT and GP 500). And then try driving a Stocker > and a Champcar back to back on the same track. HUGE difference, not likethe same beast at all. Thanks to the cooperation and help > of the good guys at MGI along with the efforts of a few people in the simcommunity like John Bodin, Thomas Heineman and others, > Heat is on the way to becoming something like the universal sim everyoneprofesses to want, allowing different series, add-on tracks > and graphics, and a stable, cheat-protected online environment for a fullfield of competitors. Not perfect, but a truly good

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> > Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks. Kind of > > like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the > > current Nascar tracks. > > Doesn't make for much immersion IMO. Are some great mods though, no > > doubt. I'd like to see a CART sim too. > > > > -John > > > > > > John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART > > > sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Seems to me > > > like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR > > > sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. > > > > > > Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work > > > TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both > > > as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't > > > be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. > > > > > > Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't > > > even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. > > > > > > > > > Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're > > > going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong > > > time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice > > > from time-to-time. > > > > > > :-/ > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > > > > > > > >Scott > > > >PA-Scott > > > >PowerSimsMag.com > > > > > > > > > > > >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >news:[email hidden]... > > > >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim"

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> > > >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > > >> > > > > >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > > >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > > >> > > > >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > > >> > > > >> :-( > > > >> > > > >> -- JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Last time I tried it, you couldn't join a Nascar race if you were running another version, i.e. CTS or CART, and vice versa. Also, IRF reports when anyone's using different data than the server. I'm not sure of the full extent of cheat protection, but at least the effort's being made. I've had some quite enjoyable road course races with Heat, but try to avoid the ovals as they're too often afflicted with the same problems as N4 races, from the sound of it - mainly the quality of the participants. I'm primarily a GPL devotee myself, but certainly applaud solid competitive efforts by developers like MGI who work with the simracing community. Cheers, Steve B. "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I haven't messed with Heat for awhile, but at the time, cheating was > rampant on IRF with it. Has this changed too? > > -John

> > GPL is still the best sim IMO. Nope, I think N4 beats it and is the current sim King. GPL is good but is a little long in the tooth nowadays anyway thats IMO.

Yea right John! This is exactly what my X said in divorce court :( "John Bodin" wrote: | Trust me --<znipped> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001

I was having a terrible time even getting a recon lap at Road Atlanta with the Cup cars. Found out whatever the default setup was intended for was NOT a road course. Once I copied the Watkins Glen Advanced setup over, I could at least get round the thing. The sears Advanced setup had better gearing but I had more problems making a clean lap with the sears setup. WG at RA with Sears gearing seems to be the best for me at this point. The car seems REALLY susecptible(sp?) to small bumps on the roadway. And that last drop off before the pits is a real 'cross your fingers' cuz sometimes the car will stay straight, other times it just will not. (see a good racer always blames the car! ) wait! (I'm not one of those...) uhmm 'the car was good, I just didn't get the most out of it today..."{better?} dave henrie "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Road Atlanta, Aardvark Park, and Donington have already been released, > and there are more conversions and original tracks in the works -- > including Lausitzring (BOTH the oval AND the road course) as well as > Laguna Seca. > > Have you tried the CART mod for NASCAR Heat: > > http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/ > > There's also a CART mod for F1 2001 and F1 Championship Season 2001: > > http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm > > Good stuff! > > ;-) > > -- JB > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:50 -0600, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks. Kind of > >like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the > >current Nascar tracks. > > Doesn't make for much immersion IMO. Are some great mods though, no > >doubt. I'd like to see a CART sim too. > > > >-John > > > > > >John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART > >> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Seems to me > >> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR > >> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. > >> > >> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work > >> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both > >> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't > >> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. > >> > >> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't > >> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. > >> > >> > >> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're > >> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong > >> time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice > >> from time-to-time. > >> > >> :-/ > >> > >> -- JB > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > >> > > >> >Scott > >> >PA-Scott > >> >PowerSimsMag.com > >> > > >> > > >> >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> >news:[email hidden]... > >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim"

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> >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Biz" wrote:... > >> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > >> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > >> >> > > >> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > >> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > >> >> > >> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > >> >> > >> >> :-( > >> >> > >> >> -- JB > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >

Both are AOK! in my book :) Just think if GPL was programmed exactly the way N4 is now with all the new goodies and all GPL's track addons! Plus a GPL 2001,2,3 F1-Addon! YummmmmY! :) "Johnson" wrote: | Nope, I think N4 beats it and is the current sim King. GPL is good but isa | little long in the tooth nowadays anyway thats IMO. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001

Have you downloaded the rear camber fix for Road Atlanta yet, Dave? I think I posted the URL on the BHMS and High Gear forums . . . helps a lot! -- JB On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:29:05 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I was having a terrible time even getting a recon lap at Road Atlanta with >the Cup cars. Found out whatever the default setup was intended for was NOT >a road course. Once I copied the Watkins Glen Advanced setup over, I could >at least get round the thing. The sears Advanced setup had better gearing >but I had more problems making a clean lap with the sears setup. WG at RA >with Sears gearing seems to be the best for me at this point. The car seems >REALLY susecptible(sp?) to small bumps on the roadway. And that last drop >off before the pits is a real 'cross your fingers' cuz sometimes the car >will stay straight, other times it just will not. (see a good racer always >blames the car! ) wait! (I'm not one of those...) >uhmm 'the car was good, I just didn't get the most out of it >today..."{better?} >dave henrie >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Road Atlanta, Aardvark Park, and Donington have already been released, >> and there are more conversions and original tracks in the works -- >> including Lausitzring (BOTH the oval AND the road course) as well as >> Laguna Seca. >> >> Have you tried the CART mod for NASCAR Heat: >> >> http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/ >> >> There's also a CART mod for F1 2001 and F1 Championship Season 2001: >> >> http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm >> >> Good stuff! >> >> ;-) >> >> -- JB >> >> On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:50 -0600, "John Pancoast" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> > Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks. Kind of >> >like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the >> >current Nascar tracks. >> > Doesn't make for much immersion IMO. Are some great mods though, no >> >doubt. I'd like to see a CART sim too. >> > >> >-John >> > >> > >> >John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:[email hidden]... >> >> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART >> >> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Seems to me >> >> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR >> >> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. >> >> >> >> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work >> >> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both >> >> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't >> >> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. >> >> >> >> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't >> >> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. >> >> >> >> >> >> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're >> >> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong >> >> time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice >> >> from time-to-time. >> >> >> >> :-/ >> >> >> >> -- JB >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL. >> >> > >> >> >Scott >> >> >PA-Scott >> >> >PowerSimsMag.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> >news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" ><[email hidden]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Biz" wrote:... >> >> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, >> >> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - >> >> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down. >> >> >> >> >> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. >> >> >> >> >> >> :-( >> >> >> >> >> >> -- JB >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >

Ahh, someone fixed that rear camber problem! :) Can you post the URL here? Thanks, Jason. John Bodin wrote:

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> > Have you downloaded the rear camber fix for Road Atlanta yet, Dave? I > think I posted the URL on the BHMS and High Gear forums . . . helps a > lot! > > -- JB > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:29:05 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > I was having a terrible time even getting a recon lap at Road Atlanta with > >the Cup cars. Found out whatever the default setup was intended for was NOT

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

I think just by copying the WG setup, I also got the -1.8 rear camber. Isn't that what your utility does? My first setup was I think for Bristol. Whooboy were the Esses fun! :) I have been able to get round the track now.. dave henrie thanks for the input btw "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Have you downloaded the rear camber fix for Road Atlanta yet, Dave? I >

These are Nascar Heat tracks - no? -- ed_ Dave Henrie said: > I was having a terrible time even getting a recon lap at Road Atlanta with > the Cup cars. Found out whatever the default setup was intended for was NOT > a road course. Once I copied the Watkins Glen Advanced setup over, I could > at least get round the thing. The sears Advanced setup had better gearing > but I had more problems making a clean lap with the sears setup. WG at RA > with Sears gearing seems to be the best for me at this point. The car seems > REALLY susecptible(sp?) to small bumps on the roadway. And that last drop > off before the pits is a real 'cross your fingers' cuz sometimes the car > will stay straight, other times it just will not. (see a good racer always > blames the car! ) wait! (I'm not one of those...) > uhmm 'the car was good, I just didn't get the most out of it > today..."{better?} > dave henrie > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Road Atlanta, Aardvark Park, and Donington have already been released, > > and there are more conversions and original tracks in the works -- > > including Lausitzring (BOTH the oval AND the road course) as well as > > Laguna Seca. > > > > Have you tried the CART mod for NASCAR Heat: > > > > http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/ > > > > There's also a CART mod for F1 2001 and F1 Championship Season 2001: > > > > http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm > > > > Good stuff! > > > > ;-) > > > > -- JB > > > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:50 -0600, "John Pancoast" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks. Kind of > > >like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the > > >current Nascar tracks. > > > Doesn't make for much immersion IMO. Are some great mods though, no > > >doubt. I'd like to see a CART sim too. > > > > > >-John > > > > > > > > >John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART > > >> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Seems to me > > >> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR > > >> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. > > >> > > >> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work > > >> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both > > >> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't > > >> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. > > >> > > >> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't > > >> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. > > >> > > >> > > >> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're > > >> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong > > >> time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice > > >> from time-to-time. > > >> > > >> :-/ > > >> > > >> -- JB > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" > > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> > > >> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL. > > >> > > > >> >Scott > > >> >PA-Scott > > >> >PowerSimsMag.com > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >> >news:[email hidden]... > > >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" > <[email hidden]> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> >"Biz" wrote:... > > >> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > > >> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > > >> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > >> >> > > >> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. > > >> >> > > >> >> :-( > > >> >> > > >> >> -- JB > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

Actually, the rear camber is not stored in the car or the setup files; rear camber is controlled by the track file itself, and hence the need for the Road Atlanta patch . . . which can be found here: http://irlheat.bhmotorsports.com/RoadAtlantaFix.zip ;-) -- JB On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:11:58 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I think just by copying the WG setup, I also got the -1.8 rear camber. >Isn't that what your utility does? My first setup was I think for Bristol. >Whooboy were the Esses fun! :) I have been able to get round the track >now.. >dave henrie >thanks for the input btw >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Have you downloaded the rear camber fix for Road Atlanta yet, Dave? I >> > >

You can grab the Road Atlanta rear camber fix here: http://irlheat.bhmotorsports.com/RoadAtlantaFix.zip It changes the rear camber to -1.8 left and right (fully symmetrical), which makes it easier to get a good car setup otherwise. Enjoy! ;-) -- JB On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:06:34 -0600, Jason Monds <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ahh, someone fixed that rear camber problem! :) >Can you post the URL here? > >Thanks, >Jason. > >John Bodin wrote: >> >> Have you downloaded the rear camber fix for Road Atlanta yet, Dave? I >> think I posted the URL on the BHMS and High Gear forums . . . helps a >> lot! >> >> -- JB >> >> On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:29:05 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> > I was having a terrible time even getting a recon lap at Road Atlanta with >> >the Cup cars. Found out whatever the default setup was intended for was NOT > >-- >Jason Monds >http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) >http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) >(Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Whoops! Yup I just checked. I had +1.8 and -1.8. (never said I was the most observant lad) dave henrie thanks for the fix JB

Correct -- new add-on tracks for NASCAR Heat. ;-) -- JB On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 23:34:27 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>These are Nascar Heat tracks - no? > >-- >ed_ > > >Dave Henrie said: >> I was having a terrible time even getting a recon lap at Road Atlanta >with >> the Cup cars. Found out whatever the default setup was intended for was >NOT >> a road course. Once I copied the Watkins Glen Advanced setup over, I >could >> at least get round the thing. The sears Advanced setup had better gearing >> but I had more problems making a clean lap with the sears setup. WG at RA >> with Sears gearing seems to be the best for me at this point. The car >seems >> REALLY susecptible(sp?) to small bumps on the roadway. And that last >drop >> off before the pits is a real 'cross your fingers' cuz sometimes the car >> will stay straight, other times it just will not. (see a good racer >always >> blames the car! ) wait! (I'm not one of those...) >> uhmm 'the car was good, I just didn't get the most out of it >> today..."{better?} >> dave henrie >> "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Road Atlanta, Aardvark Park, and Donington have already been released, >> > and there are more conversions and original tracks in the works -- >> > including Lausitzring (BOTH the oval AND the road course) as well as >> > Laguna Seca. >> > >> > Have you tried the CART mod for NASCAR Heat: >> > >> > http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/ >> > >> > There's also a CART mod for F1 2001 and F1 Championship Season 2001: >> > >> > http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm >> > >> > Good stuff! >> > >> > ;-) >> > >> > -- JB >> > >> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:50 -0600, "John Pancoast" >> > <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > >> > > Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks. Kind >of >> > >like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the >> > >current Nascar tracks. >> > > Doesn't make for much immersion IMO. Are some great mods though, no >> > >doubt. I'd like to see a CART sim too. >> > > >> > >-John >> > > >> > > >> > >John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > >news:[email hidden]... >> > >> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART >> > >> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Seems to >me >> > >> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR >> > >> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. >> > >> >> > >> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work >> > >> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both >> > >> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't >> > >> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. >> > >> >> > >> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't >> > >> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're >> > >> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a >loooooooooong >> > >> time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice >> > >> from time-to-time. >> > >> >> > >> :-/ >> > >> >> > >> -- JB >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" >> > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL. >> > >> > >> > >> >Scott >> > >> >PA-Scott >> > >> >PowerSimsMag.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > >> >news:[email hidden]... >> > >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" >> <[email hidden]> >> > >> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >"Biz" wrote:... >> > >> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat >yet, >> > >> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - >> > >> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> :-( >> > >> >> >> > >> >> -- JB >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > >

Jason Monds <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ahh, someone fixed that rear camber problem! :) > Can you post the URL here? Erm... is this Nascar? I thought they had live rear axles - how do you get camber on a live axle?!? Jonny

"Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:A37t7.10226$[email hidden]... > > Jason Monds <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

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> > Ahh, someone fixed that rear camber problem! :) > > Can you post the URL here? > > Erm... is this Nascar? I thought they had live rear axles > - how do you get camber on a live axle?!? > > Jonny >

Take a 2x4 piece of lumber. Place near the upper portion of the rear wheels. Then gently TAP the 2x4 with a very large railroad gauge sledge hammer. Repeat if neccessary. dave henrie

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> Damien Smith <[email hidden]> wrote on 27 Sep 2001: > > <snip> >> hugely powered cars with no >> brakes or aerodynamics to speak of aren't exactly my idea of the >> perfect *racing* car > <snip> > > <shakes head sadly, as True Believers often do...> >

Yeah, I know. There are actually people who think these things with billboards tacked all over them are racing cars. Go figger. There are people that think slot cars that use magnets to hold them to the track are racing kit too. Peasants. KFG

"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART > sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. Which part would that be that was close to CART? The Road Course racing with top drivers or the empty stands at the ovals? >Seems to me > like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR > sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. I'm not a huge die-hard CART fan, but it blows the doors off the Ignorant Racing League. As far as another NASCAR sim, I'm still waiting for Papy to fix the SEGA GT damage model they implemented into N4. Nothing like doing a barrel roll 25 times and then flying 15 feet in the air, then having your car roll over so you can drive it to the pits, get repairs, and still be competitive in the race. And that's the REALISTIC damage. I suppose I really ought to test the arcade damage. =) > Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work > TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both > as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't > be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. Hey John... you mind being careful where you drop that parachute of generalizations on being narrow minded? If being narrow minded means I think the IRL is a joke, well then I'm guilty as charged. I don't particularly like F1, but I still respect it. I don't even acknowldege the IRL as a major autoracing body let alone respect it. I have respect for the danger and the drivers actually racing, but not the league or the sanctioning body. > Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't > even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. I haven't noticed as NASCAR Heat ended up the same place as N3 did for me.. in the heap of empty promises and propaganda titles. Although I have visited sim-editing.com > Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, There you go with that parachute again John. Who says I'm dedicated to N4? Quite frankly... I run GPL and CMR2 a hell of alot more than I do N4. >because you're going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for aloooooooooong > time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice > from time-to-time. Considering the attendance and TV ratings for an IRL event are about equivalent to a flow-bee infomercial, I doubt there would be a huge market for an IRL title. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 http://www.PowerSimsMag.com

Does it need physics to drive in a circle? JensSchumi <puts flame-suit on> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Biz" wrote:... >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - >beat's GPL's physics hands down. --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.tripod.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95

Midtown Madness is a contender for sure. It's perfectly the way we drive ours cars here in Malaysia. JensSchumi BTW: Haven't tried Destruction Derby yet, so I cannot say anything about the realism there. But the title sounds already good ;-) On 27 Sep 2001 21:19:10 GMT, [email hidden] (NYR2113594) wrote: >>I loved GPL a couple years ago, but now I use a GForce and this sim is >>somewhat dated. What sims besides NASCAR 4 are realistic and have >>good gameplay? > >Nascar revolution!! --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.tripod.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95

They use splined connections, so you can get a little bit of camber by heating up and bending. The rules limit this to 1.8 degrees, because people used to bend it too much and have failures while racing. -Dave "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:A37t7.10226$[email hidden]... > > Jason Monds <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

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> > Ahh, someone fixed that rear camber problem! :) > > Can you post the URL here? > > Erm... is this Nascar? I thought they had live rear axles > - how do you get camber on a live axle?!? > > Jonny > >

About the same amount as needed to make the only pass of the race in the pits<G> -John JS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Does it need physics to drive in a circle? > > JensSchumi <puts flame-suit on> > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> > >"Biz" wrote:... > >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet, > >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine. > > > >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair - > >beat's GPL's physics hands down. > > --------------------------------------------- > LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: > http://jensschumi.tripod.com/ > > GPLRank: -14.82 > Monsters of GPL: sub 95

Well said........ -John Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART > > sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it. > > Which part would that be that was close to CART? The Road Course racing > with top drivers or the empty stands at the ovals? > > >Seems to me > > like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR > > sim if you're a CART fan, anyway. > > I'm not a huge die-hard CART fan, but it blows the doors off the Ignorant > Racing League. As far as another NASCAR sim, I'm still waiting for Papy

to > fix the SEGA GT damage model they implemented into N4. Nothing like doinga

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> barrel roll 25 times and then flying 15 feet in the air, then having your > car roll over so you can drive it to the pits, get repairs, and still be > competitive in the race. And that's the REALISTIC damage. I suppose I > really ought to test the arcade damage. =) > > > Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work > > TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both > > as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't > > be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat. > > Hey John... you mind being careful where you drop that parachute of > generalizations on being narrow minded? If being narrow minded means I > think the IRL is a joke, well then I'm guilty as charged. I don't > particularly like F1, but I still respect it. I don't even acknowldege

the > IRL as a major autoracing body let alone respect it. I have respect forthe

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> danger and the drivers actually racing, but not the league or the > sanctioning body. > > > > Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't > > even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet. Their loss. > > I haven't noticed as NASCAR Heat ended up the same place as N3 did for

me.. > in the heap of empty promises and propaganda titles. Although I have > visited sim-editing.com > > > Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, > > There you go with that parachute again John. Who says I'm dedicated toN4?

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> Quite frankly... I run GPL and CMR2 a hell of alot more than I do N4. > > >because you're going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a > loooooooooong > > time. Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice > > from time-to-time. > > Considering the attendance and TV ratings for an IRL event are about > equivalent to a flow-bee infomercial, I doubt there would be a huge market > for an IRL title. > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.PowerSimsMag.com > >

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:08:57 -0600, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: > About the same amount as needed to make the only pass of the race in the >pits<G> > >-John Touche ;) Rafe Mc

Dave Pollatsek <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bb52066$0$327$[email hidden]... > They use splined connections, so you can get a little bit of camber by > heating up and bending. The rules limit this to 1.8 degrees, because people > used to bend it too much and have failures while racing. > -Dave Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BO7t7.50434$[email hidden]... > Take a 2x4 piece of lumber. Place near the upper portion of the rear > wheels. Then gently TAP the 2x4 with a very large railroad gauge sledge > hammer. Repeat if neccessary. > dave henrie *Urgh*! Get a real suspension system ;-) Jonny > "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:A37t7.10226$[email hidden]... > > Erm... is this Nascar? I thought they had live rear axles > > - how do you get camber on a live axle?!? > > > > Jonny

On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:31:36 GMT, "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ouch.. that'll leave a mark.... > >btgoss > > >Seriously tho'...please note that IRL attendance is up and CART's is >down...IRL adds more tracks and keeps a fairly good TV deal... CART has to >shop around and go with FOX...which will treat CART like a redheaded >stepchild to the cash cow that is NASCAR.... just my thoughts tho'

And the IRL still doesn't have any good drivers. Aside from Hornish, they have Eddie Cheever. He failed in F1. He failed in CART. Now he's bitter. The IRL? I'd rather not.

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Hey John... you mind being careful where you drop that parachute of >generalizations on being narrow minded? If being narrow minded means I >think the IRL is a joke, well then I'm guilty as charged. I don't >particularly like F1, but I still respect it. I don't even acknowldege the >IRL as a major autoracing body let alone respect it. I have respect for the >danger and the drivers actually racing, but not the league or the >sanctioning body.

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