Need N4- new computer help (long)

First of all system is: ASUS A7A266 MB flashed with latest bios AMD Athlon 1200-266 mhz processor 128 meg DDR ram Nvidia Geoforce 2MX 64 meg Vid card Compac DVD Rom Mitsumi CD Writer Soundblaster PCI sound card CPU fan-video card fan-extra case exhaust fan TM Pro digital wheel USB- patch from TM site installed Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL Modem Win 2000 OS Problems: N4 video will freeze after 10 mins or so but audio continues as if nothing has happened. Nothing like hearing my spotter ask if I'm allright 10 sec after video freeze. Must manually reboot system to continue. Followed Tom Pabst's Nvidia Video card setup guide and am getting 50-90 fps when running. As mentioned, extra fans all around and side off case off. MB temp stays around 130c. Non N4 problem is that this thing will reboot at will. Can just be surfin the web and all of a sudden it reboots. Same has happened running MS word. Also froze when arranging Icons on desktop!! I've had a three day headache putting this thing together. What have I obviously overlooked? Any known problems or ideas appreciated. Thanks, Dan

Too Hot! "Daddyo618" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> First of all system is: > ASUS A7A266 MB flashed with latest bios > AMD Athlon 1200-266 mhz processor > 128 meg DDR ram > Nvidia Geoforce 2MX 64 meg Vid card > Compac DVD Rom > Mitsumi CD Writer > Soundblaster PCI sound card > CPU fan-video card fan-extra case exhaust fan > TM Pro digital wheel USB- patch from TM site installed > Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL Modem > Win 2000 OS > Problems: N4 video will freeze after 10 mins or so but audio continues as

if > nothing has happened. Nothing like hearing my spotter ask if I'm allright10 > sec after video freeze. Must manually reboot system to continue. FollowedTom > Pabst's Nvidia Video card setup guide and am getting 50-90 fps whenrunning. As > mentioned, extra fans all around and side off case off. MB temp staysaround > 130c. Non N4 problem is that this thing will reboot at will. Can just besurfin > the web and all of a sudden it reboots. Same has happened running MS word.Also > froze when arranging Icons on desktop!! I've had a three day headacheputting > this thing together. What have I obviously overlooked? Any known problemsor > ideas appreciated. > Thanks, > Dan >

Sounds like a over heating problem to me. I am running the same mobo and the temp on it is 25C. I hope you mean the cpu temp but that would be way to hot also. What type of heat sink and fan combonation is on the cpu. When I built this system, I put a mini copper orb on it and the temp was high but not as high as yours. I put a SK-6 with a YS-Tech fan and it dropped 10 degrees. But if your mobo is 130C you have big time problems somewhere. "Daddyo618" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> First of all system is: > ASUS A7A266 MB flashed with latest bios > AMD Athlon 1200-266 mhz processor > 128 meg DDR ram > Nvidia Geoforce 2MX 64 meg Vid card > Compac DVD Rom > Mitsumi CD Writer > Soundblaster PCI sound card > CPU fan-video card fan-extra case exhaust fan > TM Pro digital wheel USB- patch from TM site installed > Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL Modem > Win 2000 OS > Problems: N4 video will freeze after 10 mins or so but audio continues as

if > nothing has happened. Nothing like hearing my spotter ask if I'm allright10 > sec after video freeze. Must manually reboot system to continue. FollowedTom > Pabst's Nvidia Video card setup guide and am getting 50-90 fps whenrunning. As > mentioned, extra fans all around and side off case off. MB temp staysaround > 130c. Non N4 problem is that this thing will reboot at will. Can just besurfin > the web and all of a sudden it reboots. Same has happened running MS word.Also > froze when arranging Icons on desktop!! I've had a three day headacheputting > this thing together. What have I obviously overlooked? Any known problemsor > ideas appreciated. > Thanks, > Dan >

Does sound like an overheating video card, but if you have all those extra fans, that shouldn't happen. 130deg C??? That MUST be a typo, you couldn't have a system running that hot. Try underclocking your video card and see if you still get the graphics lockup in N4. If it stops, then you will need better cooling to run it properly. What temp is your house/ambient at? If you're living in Mexico or something, you may find it difficult to cool properly ;) Rafe Mc On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:47:17 -0400, "A_Austin" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Sounds like a over heating problem to me. I am running the same mobo and >the temp on it is 25C. I hope you mean the cpu temp but that would be way >to hot also. What type of heat sink and fan combonation is on the cpu. >When I built this system, I put a mini copper orb on it and the temp was >high but not as high as yours. I put a SK-6 with a YS-Tech fan and it >dropped 10 degrees. But if your mobo is 130C you have big time problems >somewhere. > > > >"Daddyo618" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> First of all system is: >> ASUS A7A266 MB flashed with latest bios >> AMD Athlon 1200-266 mhz processor >> 128 meg DDR ram >> Nvidia Geoforce 2MX 64 meg Vid card >> Compac DVD Rom >> Mitsumi CD Writer >> Soundblaster PCI sound card >> CPU fan-video card fan-extra case exhaust fan >> TM Pro digital wheel USB- patch from TM site installed >> Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL Modem >> Win 2000 OS >> Problems: N4 video will freeze after 10 mins or so but audio continues as >if >> nothing has happened. Nothing like hearing my spotter ask if I'm allright >10 >> sec after video freeze. Must manually reboot system to continue. Followed >Tom >> Pabst's Nvidia Video card setup guide and am getting 50-90 fps when >running. As >> mentioned, extra fans all around and side off case off. MB temp stays >around >> 130c. Non N4 problem is that this thing will reboot at will. Can just be >surfin >> the web and all of a sudden it reboots. Same has happened running MS word. >Also >> froze when arranging Icons on desktop!! I've had a three day headache >putting >> this thing together. What have I obviously overlooked? Any known problems >or >> ideas appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >

I know it may sound weird but make sure that you heatsink is properly attached to your processor. I've had a problem when it uncllipped it self and so wasn't actually touching the chip, thereby doing absoulutely sod all....took me days to work that one out. Andy "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Does sound like an overheating video card, but if you have all those > extra fans, that shouldn't happen. 130deg C??? That MUST be a typo, > you couldn't have a system running that hot. > > Try underclocking your video card and see if you still get the > graphics lockup in N4. If it stops, then you will need better cooling > to run it properly. > > What temp is your house/ambient at? If you're living in Mexico or > something, you may find it difficult to cool properly ;) > > Rafe Mc > > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:47:17 -0400, "A_Austin" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Sounds like a over heating problem to me. I am running the same mobo and > >the temp on it is 25C. I hope you mean the cpu temp but that would be

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> >to hot also. What type of heat sink and fan combonation is on the cpu. > >When I built this system, I put a mini copper orb on it and the temp was > >high but not as high as yours. I put a SK-6 with a YS-Tech fan and it > >dropped 10 degrees. But if your mobo is 130C you have big time problems > >somewhere. > > > > > > > >"Daddyo618" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> First of all system is: > >> ASUS A7A266 MB flashed with latest bios > >> AMD Athlon 1200-266 mhz processor > >> 128 meg DDR ram > >> Nvidia Geoforce 2MX 64 meg Vid card > >> Compac DVD Rom > >> Mitsumi CD Writer > >> Soundblaster PCI sound card > >> CPU fan-video card fan-extra case exhaust fan > >> TM Pro digital wheel USB- patch from TM site installed > >> Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL Modem > >> Win 2000 OS > >> Problems: N4 video will freeze after 10 mins or so but audio continues

as > >if > >> nothing has happened. Nothing like hearing my spotter ask if I'mallright > >10 > >> sec after video freeze. Must manually reboot system to continue.Followed > >Tom > >> Pabst's Nvidia Video card setup guide and am getting 50-90 fps when > >running. As > >> mentioned, extra fans all around and side off case off. MB temp stays > >around > >> 130c. Non N4 problem is that this thing will reboot at will. Can justbe > >surfin > >> the web and all of a sudden it reboots. Same has happened running MSword. > >Also > >> froze when arranging Icons on desktop!! I've had a three day headache > >putting > >> this thing together. What have I obviously overlooked? Any knownproblems

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> >or > >> ideas appreciated. > >> Thanks, > >> Dan > >> > > >

Andy your lucky it didn't fry the chip completely. I have a toasted 1.1gzh AMd chip that is worthless because I re-installed the heatsink backwards. dave henrie "Andy Atkinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9p6plq$h499h$[email hidden]... > I know it may sound weird but make sure that you heatsink is properly > attached to your processor. I've had a problem when it uncllipped it self > and so wasn't actually touching the chip, thereby doing absoulutely sod > all....took me days to work that one out. > > Andy

This sounds kind of stupid, I know, but it's easy to do- did you take the little piece of plastic film off of the CPU before you put the heatsink on? I had a friend who's CPU temp would shoot to 90+ celsius within 30 seconds- I pulles the heatsink off, and there was the plastic- took it off, and it never gets above 40 now. Just something to check. "Daddyo618" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> First of all system is: > ASUS A7A266 MB flashed with latest bios > AMD Athlon 1200-266 mhz processor > 128 meg DDR ram > Nvidia Geoforce 2MX 64 meg Vid card > Compac DVD Rom > Mitsumi CD Writer > Soundblaster PCI sound card > CPU fan-video card fan-extra case exhaust fan > TM Pro digital wheel USB- patch from TM site installed > Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL Modem > Win 2000 OS > Problems: N4 video will freeze after 10 mins or so but audio continues as

if > nothing has happened. Nothing like hearing my spotter ask if I'm allright10 > sec after video freeze. Must manually reboot system to continue. FollowedTom > Pabst's Nvidia Video card setup guide and am getting 50-90 fps whenrunning. As > mentioned, extra fans all around and side off case off. MB temp staysaround > 130c. Non N4 problem is that this thing will reboot at will. Can just besurfin > the web and all of a sudden it reboots. Same has happened running MS word.Also > froze when arranging Icons on desktop!! I've had a three day headacheputting > this thing together. What have I obviously overlooked? Any known problemsor > ideas appreciated. > Thanks, > Dan >

Thanks for the suggestions all. My original post did have a typo...the correct running temps are MB 35c 95f....CPU 53c 125.5 F. I'm going to go back in and check the heat sink and fan setup. Man o man....

You didn't mention the p/s size. What size ( wattage) is the p/s? AMD requires a 300 W p/s/ Could be the reason for the spontaneous reboots. I would agree with the other posts though. Your m/b should not be hotter than 150 degrees F, max! Get a larger fan/heatsink combo or take the case cover off and see if the problem continiues. On 30 Sep 2001 02:52:19 GMT, [email hidden] (Daddyo618) wrote:

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>First of all system is: >ASUS A7A266 MB flashed with latest bios >AMD Athlon 1200-266 mhz processor >128 meg DDR ram >Nvidia Geoforce 2MX 64 meg Vid card >Compac DVD Rom >Mitsumi CD Writer >Soundblaster PCI sound card >CPU fan-video card fan-extra case exhaust fan >TM Pro digital wheel USB- patch from TM site installed >Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL Modem >Win 2000 OS >Problems: N4 video will freeze after 10 mins or so but audio continues as if >nothing has happened. Nothing like hearing my spotter ask if I'm allright 10 >sec after video freeze. Must manually reboot system to continue. Followed Tom >Pabst's Nvidia Video card setup guide and am getting 50-90 fps when running. As >mentioned, extra fans all around and side off case off. MB temp stays around >130c. Non N4 problem is that this thing will reboot at will. Can just be surfin >the web and all of a sudden it reboots. Same has happened running MS word. Also >froze when arranging Icons on desktop!! I've had a three day headache putting >this thing together. What have I obviously overlooked? Any known problems or >ideas appreciated. >Thanks, >Dan >

>You didn't mention the p/s size >take the case cover off and see if the problem continiues. PS is indeed 300w. Went back and made sure the tape was removed and heat sink is touching chip. Case is off and ambient temp of room is around 72f. Still running about 95f on MB and 125.5 on cpu. Are there any known Thrustmaster Pro digital or Win 2000 problems that I am overlooking? Thanks for the suggestions and keep em coming. Going into racing DT'S here. Dan

there is one update for dx8 that is specifically for Thrustmaster pro digital pedals. Made a big difference for me. I would get my soft pedals sometimes and then next session they would be very abrubt. The update, found in windows update, brought a much more consistant pedal operation. Dunno if this will help your situation tho. dave henrie "Daddyo618" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >You didn't mention the p/s size > >take the case cover off and see if the problem continiues. >

Is p/s certified for use with AMD, they have very strict voltage tolerance requirements that if not met will also cause all kinds of problems, and make sure you are also using the thermal heatsink adhesive, its almost mandatory for a good thermal transfer away from the cpu... -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Daddyo618 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >You didn't mention the p/s size > >take the case cover off and see if the problem continiues. > > > PS is indeed 300w. Went back and made sure the tape was removed and heat sink > is touching chip. Case is off and ambient temp of room is around 72f. Still > running about 95f on MB and 125.5 on cpu. Are there any known Thrustmaster Pro > digital or Win 2000 problems that I am overlooking? Thanks for the suggestions > and keep em coming. Going into racing DT'S here. > Dan >

Thanks all, I will try the dx8 TM tweak Dave and see if it helps. I need to check with supplier Biz to see if PS is certified for AMD. Not sure on this one at all. I'll check tomorrow and post. THANKS ALL !!! Dan

"Daddyo618" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks all, > I will try the dx8 TM tweak Dave and see if it helps. I need to check with > supplier Biz to see if PS is certified for AMD. Not sure on this one atall. > I'll check tomorrow and post. > THANKS ALL !!! > Dan Dan, I don't know what to tell you about where the problem lies but I do have an Abit KT7A-RAID mobo with a 1.2ghz. Athlon and I am using a GlobalWin FOP-32 to cool it. My cpu temps. are a steady 50 C. (I had to disable acpi so I don't get the low idle temps. but I also don't go any higher under full load either) and I have yet to have a system lockup or reboot spontaneously... so, I don't think your cpu temps. are a problem if your running 53 C. under load. Try resetting your cmos and going with the failsafe settings in the bios. This will usually set your ram timings (and other parameters) to the most conservative settings. If this cures your problems then try going to more aggressive settings in the bios (ie: ram and cpu settings) until the problems return... that may be one way to hunt this one down. Good Luck, Robin

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>Dan, I don't know what to tell you about where the problem lies but I do >have an Abit KT7A-RAID mobo with a 1.2ghz. Athlon and I am using a GlobalWin >FOP-32 to cool it. My cpu temps. are a steady 50 C. (I had to disable acpi >so I don't get the low idle temps. but I also don't go any higher under full >load either) and I have yet to have a system lockup or reboot >spontaneously... so, I don't think your cpu temps. are a problem if your >running 53 C. under load. Try resetting your cmos and going with the >failsafe settings in the bios. This will usually set your ram timings (and >other parameters) to the most conservative settings. If this cures your >problems then try going to more aggressive settings in the bios (ie: ram and >cpu settings) until the problems return... that may be one way to hunt this >one down. >Good Luck, >Robin >

A good call there Robin, and I think his CPU temp is not the cause - a little high maybe, but not the cause IMO. I still think it's a video card lockup, hence the sound still functioning. Check the HSF on the video card, and also try UNDERclocking it. Otherwise it may be a an AGP current issue or similar. Rafe Mc

and there's always the irq conflicts to sort out. dave henrie "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > >Dan, I don't know what to tell you about where the problem lies but I do

If you haven't already done so, check out www.amdmb.com, a site dedicated to AMD-based systems. The forums there are quite informative. Maybe someone there has solved this already. One quick thing to try is replacing the video card with something else and see if the problems go away. Good luck, Gerald Moore [email hidden] (Daddyo618) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> Problems: N4 video will freeze after 10 mins or so but audio continues as if > nothing has happened. Nothing like hearing my spotter ask if I'm allright 10 > sec after video freeze. Must manually reboot system to continue. > Non N4 problem is that this thing will reboot at will. Can just be surfin > the web and all of a sudden it reboots. Same has happened running MS word. > Also froze when arranging Icons on desktop!!

In article <[email hidden]>, "Scott Moore" <[email hidden]> writes: >This sounds kind of stupid, I know, but it's easy to do- did you take the >little piece of plastic film off of the CPU before you put the heatsink on? >I had a friend who's CPU temp would shoot to 90+ celsius within 30 seconds- >I pulles the heatsink off, and there was the plastic- took it off, and it >never gets above 40 now. Just something to check. Uh oh...*what* piece of plastic film? I don't remember seeing that on mine...Athlon 1.3G. It runs at about 79C. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

So we shouldn't feel bad that my son's friend can only get his down to 59C? FWIW we use a nifty heatsink fan combo AND a GIANT HUGE 20in Box fan to lower that 59c down to 52c. (case cover off of course...) :) dave henrie "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Scott Moore"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >This sounds kind of stupid, I know, but it's easy to do- did you take the > >little piece of plastic film off of the CPU before you put the heatsinkon? > >I had a friend who's CPU temp would shoot to 90+ celsius within 30seconds-

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> >I pulles the heatsink off, and there was the plastic- took it off, and it > >never gets above 40 now. Just something to check. > > Uh oh...*what* piece of plastic film? I don't remember seeing that on > mine...Athlon 1.3G. It runs at about 79C. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Uh oh...*what* piece of plastic film? I don't remember seeing that on >mine...Athlon 1.3G. It runs at about 79C. > >EldredWhoa Eldred, you really should do something about that pretty quick. My 1ghz tbird @ 1.4ghz runs between 35and 43deg full load. System temp is low to mid 20s. You could get away with it in the 50s, but NOT at 79C!?!?!?! Upgraded cooling is definitely in order. Rafe Mc

> >Uh oh...*what* piece of plastic film? I don't remember seeing that on > >mine...Athlon 1.3G. It runs at about 79C. > > > >Eldred Actually, I sort of got it backward- the piece of plastic film I was talking about is on the heatsink, not the CPU- on the HS I mentioned, there was a square of thermal compound covered by the plastic- with the plastic in place, the temps skyrocketed, of course. Sorry if I caused you any panic... :D

>Sorry if I caused you any panic... :D Well, if I was Eldred I'd panicking at 79deg, but then again it may just be a wrong temp reading or a (really) hot day or something. Maybe he didn't take the plastic seal off of the thermal pad? Rafe Mc

In article <_l9v7.79305$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > So we shouldn't feel bad that my son's friend can only get his down to >59C? >FWIW we use a nifty heatsink fan combo AND a GIANT HUGE 20in Box fan to >lower that 59c down to 52c. (case cover off of course...) :) >dave henrie I dunno. By all accounts, my system is running too hot. I'm guessing that I need to do something to fix it, but I *hate* dealing with the CPU. It's such a pain to remove and re-install... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>Uh oh...*what* piece of plastic film? I don't remember seeing that on >>mine...Athlon 1.3G. It runs at about 79C. >> >>Eldred >Whoa Eldred, you really should do something about that pretty quick. >My 1ghz tbird @ 1.4ghz runs between 35and 43deg full load. System temp >is low to mid 20s. You could get away with it in the 50s, but NOT at >79C!?!?!?! > >Upgraded cooling is definitely in order. > >Rafe Mc

I have an Antec case with 3 fans in it besides the power supply. My system temp is about 35. A student here at work suggested something called Arctic Silver. I haven't ordered any yet... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes: > > >>Uh oh...*what* piece of plastic film? I don't remember seeing that on > >>mine...Athlon 1.3G. It runs at about 79C. > >> > >>Eldred > >Whoa Eldred, you really should do something about that pretty quick. > >My 1ghz tbird @ 1.4ghz runs between 35and 43deg full load. System temp > >is low to mid 20s. You could get away with it in the 50s, but NOT at > >79C!?!?!?! > > > >Upgraded cooling is definitely in order. > > > >Rafe Mc > > I have an Antec case with 3 fans in it besides the power supply. My system > temp is about 35. A student here at work suggested something called Arctic > Silver. I haven't ordered any yet...

Even the best heat paste won't give you all that much Eldred, couple of degrees at most perhaps, basic thing, your system is way too hot at 79C, even if you run an ASUS MoBo which normally reports higher temps than most other boards 79C is way too hot, at least 10-15 degrees on an ASUS board, 25++ degrees on most other boards (Rafe and I've had this talk before...:-) Something's not right, and this thing is stable ? Are you sure that the HS is clamping down properly ? What kind of FAN/HS have you got, the 1 Ghz plus AMD's need a fair bit of cooling and the smaller HS's with a small quiet fan just won't do, you need something similar to this one http://www.globalwin.com.tw/cd_html.html The WBK68 is the smallest thing recommended for a 1.3 AMD, even the FOP68, which in itself is a pretty good product is not recommended past 1.2 for AMD use, and I'm sure you'll find most other manufacturers has something similar on their website Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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>>Sorry if I caused you any panic... :D > >Well, if I was Eldred I'd panicking at 79deg, but then again it may >just be a wrong temp reading or a (really) hot day or something. Maybe >he didn't take the plastic seal off of the thermal pad? > >Rafe Mc

Yes, I did take the plastic off the thermal pad. The thing just runs hot. It's possible that the pad on the heatsink just isn't enough. I'll look into that 'Artic Silver' I mentioned. The guy who suggested it said it dropped his CPU temp from 60 to 25, or something like that... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes: > > Yes, I did take the plastic off the thermal pad. The thing just runs hot. > It's possible that the pad on the heatsink just isn't enough. I'll lookinto > that 'Artic Silver' I mentioned. The guy who suggested it said it droppedhis

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> CPU temp from 60 to 25, or something like that... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.Eldred, To get that kind of temp. drop he must have had the H/S Fan on wrong and then after applying the A/S thermal paste put the H/S Fan on correctly. There is no way Arctic Silver drops temps. by 35 degrees C. My 1.2 GHz. Athlon runs at a steady 52 C. without acpi enabled on my KT7A-RAID mobo. but it doesn't go any higher under full load either. I have a GlobalWin FOP-32 H/S Fan and use plain old Radio Shack white thermal paste. Your temps. do sound extremely high... good luck. Robin

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>Eldred, >To get that kind of temp. drop he must have had the H/S Fan on wrong and >then after applying the A/S thermal paste put the H/S Fan on correctly. >There is no way Arctic Silver drops temps. by 35 degrees C. My 1.2 GHz. >Athlon runs at a steady 52 C. without acpi enabled on my KT7A-RAID mobo. but >it doesn't go any higher under full load either. I have a GlobalWin FOP-32 >H/S Fan and use plain old Radio Shack white thermal paste. Your temps. do >sound extremely high... good luck. >Robin >

Agreed. I recently got some arctic silver, it dropped my temps by 2 deg, but 35deg can only be by correcting a poorly attached heatsink. Pretty common on AMD chips, since they're such a small die. Often get lifted up slightly on the raised bit of the socket. Rafe Mc

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> >>Eldred, >>To get that kind of temp. drop he must have had the H/S Fan on wrong and >>then after applying the A/S thermal paste put the H/S Fan on correctly. >>There is no way Arctic Silver drops temps. by 35 degrees C. My 1.2 GHz. >>Athlon runs at a steady 52 C. without acpi enabled on my KT7A-RAID mobo. but >>it doesn't go any higher under full load either. I have a GlobalWin FOP-32 >>H/S Fan and use plain old Radio Shack white thermal paste. Your temps. do >>sound extremely high... good luck. >>Robin >> >Agreed. I recently got some arctic silver, it dropped my temps by 2 >deg, but 35deg can only be by correcting a poorly attached heatsink. >Pretty common on AMD chips, since they're such a small die. Often get >lifted up slightly on the raised bit of the socket. > >Rafe Mc

BTW, some comprehensive instructions are here: http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm Rafe Mc

Better to look at it now, then to fry it out and have to look at it later AND have to buy another! -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <_l9v7.79305$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > So we shouldn't feel bad that my son's friend can only get his down to > >59C? > >FWIW we use a nifty heatsink fan combo AND a GIANT HUGE 20in Box fan to > >lower that 59c down to 52c. (case cover off of course...) :) > >dave henrie > > I dunno. By all accounts, my system is running too hot. I'm guessing that I > need to do something to fix it, but I *hate* dealing with the CPU. It's such a > pain to remove and re-install... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> I have an Antec case with 3 fans in it besides the power supply. My system >> temp is about 35. A student here at work suggested something called Arctic >> Silver. I haven't ordered any yet... > >Even the best heat paste won't give you all that much Eldred, couple of >degrees at most perhaps, basic thing, your system is way too hot at 79C, >even if you run an ASUS MoBo which normally reports higher temps than >most other boards 79C is way too hot, at least 10-15 degrees on an ASUS >board, 25++ degrees on most other boards > >(Rafe and I've had this talk before...:-) > >Something's not right, and this thing is stable ? > >Are you sure that the HS is clamping down properly ? > >What kind of FAN/HS have you got, the 1 Ghz plus AMD's need a fair bit >of cooling and the smaller HS's with a small quiet fan just won't do, >you need something similar to this one > >http://www.globalwin.com.tw/cd_html.html > >The WBK68 is the smallest thing recommended for a 1.3 AMD, even the >FOP68, which in itself is a pretty good product is not recommended past >1.2 for AMD use, and I'm sure you'll find most other manufacturers has >something similar on their website

My HS and fan is.... <opens cover on computer> ...wow - it's an Antec. It's a twisted cylinder heatsink, about 3 inches tall, with the fan on the inside. I don't remember the model name/number, and it's spare is still packed in a box somewhere, but it was HIGHLY recommended. I'll check the URL you gave, and see how similar it is. Assuming the thing IS sufficient, that means it's probably not connected right. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes:

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>>Eldred, >>To get that kind of temp. drop he must have had the H/S Fan on wrong and >>then after applying the A/S thermal paste put the H/S Fan on correctly. >>There is no way Arctic Silver drops temps. by 35 degrees C. My 1.2 GHz. >>Athlon runs at a steady 52 C. without acpi enabled on my KT7A-RAID mobo. but >>it doesn't go any higher under full load either. I have a GlobalWin FOP-32 >>H/S Fan and use plain old Radio Shack white thermal paste. Your temps. do >>sound extremely high... good luck. >>Robin >> >Agreed. I recently got some arctic silver, it dropped my temps by 2 >deg, but 35deg can only be by correcting a poorly attached heatsink. >Pretty common on AMD chips, since they're such a small die. Often get >lifted up slightly on the raised bit of the socket. > >Rafe Mc >

Phooey. :-( Which is why I hate removing and installing CPUs. I'm always afraid I'm going to screw something up... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Better to look at it now, then to fry it out and have to look at it later >AND have to buy another! Well, I didn't realize it WAS a problem until recently. This system has been running since late spring/early summer... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes: > > > Phooey. :-( > Which is why I hate removing and installing CPUs. I'm always afraid I'mgoing

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> to screw something up... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. Eldred, I was thinking about your temps. problem tonight while doing some late night ng reading and it occured to me that you haven't mentioned what make/model motherboard your 1.3GHz. Athlon is mounted on. I know when the KT7/KT7A boards from Abit first shipped there was problems with the thermistor not making correct contact with the underside of the cpu. You said in a previous post that this system has been running great and completely stable at 79 degrees. I know that AMD rates these Athlons to run at 90 degrees but that's a true internal core temp and not the "slightly" inaccurate readings we get from the thermistors on the motherboard that merely contacts the underside of the cpu and takes a reading. I think that if your system is running great it sounds like a bad reading from the temp. sensor on your motherboard. Especially if your system temp. is 35 degrees and you have all those fans moving air in your case. Something is wonky... somewhere. Just pure speculation at 1:00 in the morning. Regards, Robin

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> > My HS and fan is.... > <opens cover on computer> > ...wow - it's an Antec. It's a twisted cylinder heatsink, about 3 inches tall, > with the fan on the inside. I don't remember the model name/number, and it's > spare is still packed in a box somewhere, but it was HIGHLY recommended. I'll > check the URL you gave, and see how similar it is. > Assuming the thing IS sufficient, that means it's probably not connected right.

Well, Antec are supposed to be good, so assuming they installed the correct model/size for your CPU, it might be that the thing isn't making contact properly, because with a system temp of 35C, it looks like you have enough air flowing through your case And also, it's worth looking into what Robin suggested, because at 79C it's incredible that your system is stable.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> My HS and fan is.... >> <opens cover on computer> >> ...wow - it's an Antec. It's a twisted cylinder heatsink, about 3 inches >tall, >> with the fan on the inside. I don't remember the model name/number, and >it's >> spare is still packed in a box somewhere, but it was HIGHLY recommended. >I'll >> check the URL you gave, and see how similar it is. >> Assuming the thing IS sufficient, that means it's probably not connected >right. > >Well, Antec are supposed to be good, so assuming they installed the >correct model/size for your CPU, it might be that the thing isn't making >contact properly, because with a system temp of 35C, it looks like you >have enough air flowing through your case >

Well, they didn't install it. I built the system from components. As I said, the Antec HS/fan was recommended to me. It's just a coincidence that the fan and case are from the same manufacturer...<g> >And also, it's worth looking into what Robin suggested, because at 79C >it's incredible that your system is stable.....:-) >Don't jinx me, Goy... :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <MQwx7.6283$[email hidden]>, "Robin" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Eldred, >I was thinking about your temps. problem tonight while doing some late night >ng reading and it occured to me that you haven't mentioned what make/model >motherboard your 1.3GHz. Athlon is mounted on. I know when the KT7/KT7A >boards from Abit first shipped there was problems with the thermistor not >making correct contact with the underside of the cpu. >You said in a previous post that this system has been running great and >completely stable at 79 degrees. I know that AMD rates these Athlons to run >at 90 degrees but that's a true internal core temp and not the "slightly" >inaccurate readings we get from the thermistors on the motherboard that >merely contacts the underside of the cpu and takes a reading. I think that >if your system is running great it sounds like a bad reading from the temp. >sensor on your motherboard. Especially if your system temp. is 35 degrees >and you have all those fans moving air in your case. Something is wonky... >somewhere. >Just pure speculation at 1:00 in the morning.

Well, I wouldn't say it's running 'great and stable'... It's locked up a couple of times, but it wasn't consistent enough for me to associate it with heat problems before. Now I'm not so sure... I'll be checking it this weekend...<G> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Phooey. :-( >Which is why I hate removing and installing CPUs. I'm always afraid I'm going >to screw something up... > >Eldred The instructions at the Arctic Silver website are SUPER comprehensive :) Probably overly so. The main points are to make sure you cover the die of the CPU with a complete but thin layer of paste, align the heatsink properly and then clamp it evenly (without rocking it which may damage the die). If you need to use a screwdriver to remove/install the clip, I'd suggest you put a few layers of sticky tape underneath, to protect the mobo if you slip. I've heard of many destroyed boards from a little slip. But the main thing is to ensure that the heatsink is sitting flat on the CPU die, not lifting anywhere. Rafe Mc

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes:

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>>Phooey. :-( >>Which is why I hate removing and installing CPUs. I'm always afraid I'm >going >>to screw something up... >> >>Eldred > >The instructions at the Arctic Silver website are SUPER comprehensive >:) Probably overly so. The main points are to make sure you cover the >die of the CPU with a complete but thin layer of paste, align the >heatsink properly and then clamp it evenly (without rocking it which >may damage the die).

It's almost impossible to clamp it without the HS moving/rocking/etc... > >If you need to use a screwdriver to remove/install the clip, I'd >suggest you put a few layers of sticky tape underneath, to protect the >mobo if you slip. I've heard of many destroyed boards from a little >slip. >Yeah, I got away with that once. Hit the motherboard, but didn't scratch it... >But the main thing is to ensure that the heatsink is sitting flat on >the CPU die, not lifting anywhere. Hard to tell, but I'll check. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.