is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out??
or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:)
just asking
daz
NR4 1.3 patch breaks games on HighPoint RAID systems
Users complained that the NASCAR Racing 4 1.3 patch stopped the game starting. Papyrus's Eric Busch explained that the patch's updated SecuROM protection conflicted with HighPoint HPT370 RAID controllers, that Sony and HighPoint were working on a fix, and that older 1.0.3 drivers or moving drives to standard IDE ports helped. Thom j. vented frustration and got step-by-step help, and a brief insult exchange with Biz followed.
With Eric Busch (Papyrus)
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I'm probably naive, but what's the problem?
Todd
"d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out?? > or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:) > > just asking > > daz > >Quoted text (19 lines)
>Subject: Re: IS Papy ever going to sort this out??? >From: "Todd Sorensen" [email hidden] >Date: 10/28/2001 9:04 AM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <cgUC7.244479$[email hidden]> > >I'm probably naive, but what's the problem? > >Todd > >"d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9rglns$p0n$[email hidden]... >> is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out?? >> or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:) >> >> just asking >> >> daz >> >>Some people are having problems with the new SecuRom protection that Sony
added to the latest patch
"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm probably naive, but what's the problem? > > Todd > > "d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9rglns$p0n$[email hidden]... > > is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out?? > > or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:) > > > > just asking > > > > daz > > > > > >Since ive installed this patch ive had nothing but trouble.. I cant even get
the game started anymore:(
its got something to do with raid boards,and lack of testing and
communication....after installing it 10 times and a fresh format of my HD i
gave up:((
shame coz i liked N4 and was just getting used to it:))
so come on Papy sort this out fast:))
daz
"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm probably naive, but what's the problem? > > Todd > > "d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9rglns$p0n$[email hidden]... > > is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out?? > > or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:) > > > > just asking > > > > daz > > > > > >daz, a couple of days ago in another thread in this NG someone said that on
some systems, the patch installer by accident abbreviates long filenames?
I.e., for example, N4mai~1.dll becomes N4mainlibrary.dll. N4 can then not
find the file anymore.
It's been mentioned somewhere here on RAS in the last couple of days.
Achim
"d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Since ive installed this patch ive had nothing but trouble.. I cant evenget
> the game started anymore:(
> its got something to do with raid boards,and lack of testing and
> communication....after installing it 10 times and a fresh format of my HDi
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> gave up:(( > shame coz i liked N4 and was just getting used to it:)) > > so come on Papy sort this out fast:)) > > daz > > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cgUC7.244479$[email hidden]... > > I'm probably naive, but what's the problem? > > > > Todd > > > > "d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9rglns$p0n$[email hidden]... > > > is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out?? > > > or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:) > > > > > > just asking > > > > > > daz > > > > > > > > > > > >Ditto Here Too! & NO!! Help From Papy or Sierra! And No! replies to
my emails!!! I never thought this would happen but it has & my opinion
of both Papy & Sierra has gone down considerably! Allegedly mine has
to do with the 'HighPoint' junk or something but nothing has been done
about it and as stated in my prior posts a week ago the 1.3patch eats it!
I never had a lick' of problems with 1.1 & I have not changed anything
since, So why in the H*** wont 1.3 work? Really Stupid IMO!!
A PO'ed Thom_j.
"d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Since ive installed this patch ive had nothing but trouble.. I cant evenget
| the game started anymore:(
| its got something to do with raid boards,and lack of testing and
| communication....after installing it 10 times and a fresh format of my HDi
| gave up:((
| shame coz i liked N4 and was just getting used to it:))
|
| so come on Papy sort this out fast:))
|
| daz
"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Some people are having problems with the new SecuRom protection that Sony | added to the latest patch | | "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:cgUC7.244479$[email hidden]... | > I'm probably naive, but what's the problem? | > | > Todd | > | > "d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:9rglns$p0n$[email hidden]... | > > is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out?? | > > or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:) | > > | > > just asking | > > | > > daz | > > | > > | > | > | |P.S. I hope you read this Eric Busch as you never replied any of my emails
or tried to give me any imput to find a solution or try to resolve this
mess!!
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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HD
Sony
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| Ditto Here Too! & NO!! Help From Papy or Sierra! And No! replies to | my emails!!! I never thought this would happen but it has & my opinion | of both Papy & Sierra has gone down considerably! Allegedly mine has | to do with the 'HighPoint' junk or something but nothing has been done | about it and as stated in my prior posts a week ago the 1.3patch eats it! | I never had a lick' of problems with 1.1 & I have not changed anything | since, So why in the H*** wont 1.3 work? Really Stupid IMO!! | A PO'ed Thom_j. | | "d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:9rhj0c$1ls$[email hidden]... | | Since ive installed this patch ive had nothing but trouble.. I cant even | get | | the game started anymore:( | | its got something to do with raid boards,and lack of testing and | | communication....after installing it 10 times and a fresh format of myQuoted text (11 lines)
| i | | gave up:(( | | shame coz i liked N4 and was just getting used to it:)) | | | | so come on Papy sort this out fast:)) | | | | daz | | "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | | Some people are having problems with the new SecuRom protection thatQuoted text (25 lines)
| | added to the latest patch | | | | | "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | | news:cgUC7.244479$[email hidden]... | | > I'm probably naive, but what's the problem? | | > | | > Todd | | > | | > "d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | | > news:9rglns$p0n$[email hidden]... | | > > is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out?? | | > > or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:) | | > > | | > > just asking | | > > | | > > daz | | > > | | > > | | > | | > | | | | | |Sony and HighPoint are aware of the problem and are working on a
solution.
- Eric
"d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Since ive installed this patch ive had nothing but trouble.. I canteven get
> the game started anymore:(
> its got something to do with raid boards,and lack of testing and
> communication....after installing it 10 times and a fresh format of myHD i
> gave up:((
> shame coz i liked N4 and was just getting used to it:))
>
> so come on Papy sort this out fast:))
As I have said, Sony and HighPoint are aware of the problems with HTP370
controllers and are working together to on a solution.
- Eric
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Ditto Here Too! & NO!! Help From Papy or Sierra! And No! replies to
> my emails!!! I never thought this would happen but it has & my opinion
> of both Papy & Sierra has gone down considerably! Allegedly mine has
> to do with the 'HighPoint' junk or something but nothing has been done
> about it and as stated in my prior posts a week ago the 1.3patch eatsit!
> I never had a lick' of problems with 1.1 & I have not changed anything
> since, So why in the H*** wont 1.3 work? Really Stupid IMO!!
> A PO'ed Thom_j.
Sorry, but I don't use my personal email to answer tech support
questions. However as I stated in several replies to your posts here in
R.A.S, some people have had success installing older drivers for the
HTP370, and even tried to walk you through that process last Sunday
afternoon (see the NASCAR4 1.3 patch problems with HTP370 RAID
controllers thread). Unfortunately that didn't seem to work for you, so
I suggested you wait for an official solution from Sony and/or
HighPoint.
- Eric
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> P.S. I hope you read this Eric Busch as you never replied any of myemails
> or tried to give me any imput to find a solution or try to resolvethis
> mess!!
I am lost then Eric?? Why Or What does Highpoint or Sony have to
do to make a Sierra product run correctly? It ran fine with 1.1 patch!
please re: & inform.. Thom_j.
P.S. btw: I never knew you didn't reply via your email address but
neither did Papy or Sierra! A bit disappointing in my opinion!!
"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Sorry, but I don't use my personal email to answer tech support | questions. However as I stated in several replies to your posts here in | R.A.S, some people have had success installing older drivers for the | HTP370, and even tried to walk you through that process last Sunday | afternoon (see the NASCAR4 1.3 patch problems with HTP370 RAID | controllers thread). Unfortunately that didn't seem to work for you, so | I suggested you wait for an official solution from Sony and/or | HighPoint. | | - Eric | | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:rMYC7.162793$[email hidden]... | > P.S. I hope you read this Eric Busch as you never replied any of my | emails | > or tried to give me any imput to find a solution or try to resolve | this | > mess!! | |P.S.S. Btw: I didnt mean to target you directly Eric & I'm sorry I did but
this has been one *long* drawn out pain in the azz!! I am sorry for kinda'
attacking you directly! -Thom_j.
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| I am lost then Eric?? Why Or What does Highpoint or Sony have to | do to make a Sierra product run correctly? It ran fine with 1.1 patch! | please re: & inform.. Thom_j. | P.S. btw: I never knew you didn't reply via your email address but | neither did Papy or Sierra! A bit disappointing in my opinion!! | | "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:9rhm8u$n36$[email hidden]... | | Sorry, but I don't use my personal email to answer tech support | | questions. However as I stated in several replies to your posts here in | | R.A.S, some people have had success installing older drivers for the | | HTP370, and even tried to walk you through that process last Sunday | | afternoon (see the NASCAR4 1.3 patch problems with HTP370 RAID | | controllers thread). Unfortunately that didn't seem to work for you, so | | I suggested you wait for an official solution from Sony and/or | | HighPoint. | | | | - Eric | | | | | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | | news:rMYC7.162793$[email hidden]... | | > P.S. I hope you read this Eric Busch as you never replied any of my | | emails | | > or tried to give me any imput to find a solution or try to resolve | | this | | > mess!! | | | | | |In article <9rhm8u$n36$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
Gee, we broke your game. But we already have your money so
nya-nya-nya. Real nice. Remind me, if I get N4, to warez it.
-Tim
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> > >Sorry, but I don't use my personal email to answer tech support >questions. However as I stated in several replies to your posts here in >R.A.S, some people have had success installing older drivers for the >HTP370, and even tried to walk you through that process last Sunday >afternoon (see the NASCAR4 1.3 patch problems with HTP370 RAID >controllers thread). Unfortunately that didn't seem to work for you, so >I suggested you wait for an official solution from Sony and/or >HighPoint.The patch uses an updated version of Sony's SecuROM protection, which
has since been found to have problems on some systems with HTP370 RAID
controllers. Sony and HighPoint are both aware of the problem, and are
working together on a solution. Its unknown at the time whether it will
be a driver update for the HTP370, or an update to the SecuROM
protection, or perhaps even both.
I'm not sure what address you might be using, but there is no email at
Papy for tech support. All such issues and concerns should be directed
to Sierra instead.
- Eric
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I am lost then Eric?? Why Or What does Highpoint or Sony have to
> do to make a Sierra product run correctly? It ran fine with 1.1 patch!
> please re: & inform.. Thom_j.
> P.S. btw: I never knew you didn't reply via your email address but
> neither did Papy or Sierra! A bit disappointing in my opinion!!
I assuming of course that you have checked Papy's site http://www.papy.com/
They have posted information regarding the RAID boards and file name truncation.
But that would probably be like reading a manual first <VBG>
"d.willand" wrote:
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> Since ive installed this patch ive had nothing but trouble.. I cant even get > the game started anymore:( > its got something to do with raid boards,and lack of testing and > communication....after installing it 10 times and a fresh format of my HD i > gave up:(( > shame coz i liked N4 and was just getting used to it:)) > > so come on Papy sort this out fast:)) > > daz > > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cgUC7.244479$[email hidden]... > > I'm probably naive, but what's the problem? > > > > Todd > > > > "d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9rglns$p0n$[email hidden]... > > > is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out?? > > > or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:) > > > > > > just asking > > > > > > daz > > > > > > > > > >Ok Eric, I am still confused as I am *no* pc guru and I hope Sierra
{Or who'whom'ever} will have a readme.txt to walk me through the
process! It is furstrating when you already have a sim type program
working perfectly & then *poof!* nothing!! At this point I am not a
huge fan of Sierra but I understand you're taking the heat for others
within Sierra {to me} Didnt! do their jobs! Sorry but this is the way
I feel & deservedly so IMO!! -Thom_j.
"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| The patch uses an updated version of Sony's SecuROM protection, which | has since been found to have problems on some systems with HTP370 RAID | controllers. Sony and HighPoint are both aware of the problem, and are | working together on a solution. Its unknown at the time whether it will | be a driver update for the HTP370, or an update to the SecuROM | protection, or perhaps even both. | | I'm not sure what address you might be using, but there is no email at | Papy for tech support. All such issues and concerns should be directed | to Sierra instead. | | - Eric | | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:ZnZC7.162826$[email hidden]... | > I am lost then Eric?? Why Or What does Highpoint or Sony have to | > do to make a Sierra product run correctly? It ran fine with 1.1 patch! | > please re: & inform.. Thom_j. | > P.S. btw: I never knew you didn't reply via your email address but | > neither did Papy or Sierra! A bit disappointing in my opinion!! | |Been here several times Bob but maybe you can help? I run an AbitSA6R
mobo, Is this considered a RAID type board? As stated in my prior post
I am *no* pc guru!! Any/All help appreciated & welcome! Tia.. Thom_j.
"Bob Geddes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| I assuming of course that you have checked Papy's sitehttp://www.papy.com/
| They have posted information regarding the RAID boards and file nametruncation.
|
| But that would probably be like reading a manual first <VBG>
|
| "d.willand" wrote:
|
| > Since ive installed this patch ive had nothing but trouble.. I cant evenget
| > the game started anymore:(
| > its got something to do with raid boards,and lack of testing and
| > communication....after installing it 10 times and a fresh format of myHD i
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| > gave up:(( | > shame coz i liked N4 and was just getting used to it:)) | > | > so come on Papy sort this out fast:)) | > | > daz | > | > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:cgUC7.244479$[email hidden]... | > > I'm probably naive, but what's the problem? | > > | > > Todd | > > | > > "d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > > news:9rglns$p0n$[email hidden]... | > > > is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out?? | > > > or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:) | > > > | > > > just asking | > > > | > > > daz | > > > | > > > | > > | > > |Only thing I've noticed is it seems the AI cars crash more often.
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"d.willand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> is Papy ever going to sort the patch problem out??
> or do we have to look for a new game to play and stuff Papy:)
>
> just asking
>
> daz
>
>
I sympathize with you, and I understand that as a consumer you really
don't care why something doesn't work or who's to blame, just that it
doesn't work on your system. I really wish there was something I or
Papy or even Sierra could do to fix it, but unfortunately we're in the
unenviable position of having to wait on a fix from Sony and/or
Highpoint. You may not need to do anything other than redownload an
updated patch (that's if Sony fixes it), but it's possible you may need
to update your HTP370 drivers (that's if HighPoint fixes it). If the
latter is the case, I'm sure HighPoint will be able to give all of the
necessary installation information.
- Eric
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Ok Eric, I am still confused as I am *no* pc guru and I hope Sierra > {Or who'whom'ever} will have a readme.txt to walk me through the > process! It is furstrating when you already have a sim type program > working perfectly & then *poof!* nothing!! At this point I am not a > huge fan of Sierra but I understand you're taking the heat for others > within Sierra {to me} Didnt! do their jobs! Sorry but this is the way > I feel & deservedly so IMO!! -Thom_j.CART SIM PLEASE ERIC FROM PAPY!!!!
Thank you for the info Eric, I know I kinda' bit your head off but as you
state, I just want it to run ok. Luckily tho the timing wasnt too bad on my
end as I have reimmersed myself back into my music so it helps me with
my wrotten temper.. Music does soothe the "savage beast!" :)
Cheers Thom_j.
"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| I sympathize with you, and I understand that as a consumer you really | don't care why something doesn't work or who's to blame, just that it | doesn't work on your system. I really wish there was something I or | Papy or even Sierra could do to fix it, but unfortunately we're in the | unenviable position of having to wait on a fix from Sony and/or | Highpoint. You may not need to do anything other than redownload an | updated patch (that's if Sony fixes it), but it's possible you may need | to update your HTP370 drivers (that's if HighPoint fixes it). If the | latter is the case, I'm sure HighPoint will be able to give all of the | necessary installation information. | | - Eric | | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:4OZC7.162878$[email hidden]... | > Ok Eric, I am still confused as I am *no* pc guru and I hope Sierra | > {Or who'whom'ever} will have a readme.txt to walk me through the | > process! It is furstrating when you already have a sim type program | > working perfectly & then *poof!* nothing!! At this point I am not a | > huge fan of Sierra but I understand you're taking the heat for others | > within Sierra {to me} Didnt! do their jobs! Sorry but this is the way | > I feel & deservedly so IMO!! -Thom_j. | |"TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> CART SIM PLEASE ERIC FROM PAPY!!!!
Bored with lawnmovers already?
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http://www.oppositelock.co.uk
N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends
(yeah it needs updating I know...)
Hi Thom,
if you look at the following product description:
http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/product_info.php?category_id=4&index_id=
7&subcategory_id=&products_id=307&
You will see that this board has RAID support.
Have a look at the 4 IDE-Connectors on the right side of the board.
the blue ones are 2 standard ultra-ata 100 ide connectors, the orange
ones are 2 ultra-ata 100 raid connectors.
it may help to switch your cd-rom/harddisk cables to the blue ones,
because these seem to have no RAID function.
but consider this just a hint, i do not have know anything about this
board apart from the product description.
Joachim
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:vSZC7.162888$[email hidden]...
> Been here several times Bob but maybe you can help? I run an AbitSA6R
> mobo, Is this considered a RAID type board? As stated in my prior post
> I am *no* pc guru!! Any/All help appreciated & welcome! Tia.. Thom_j.
Joachim,
I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start ripping
my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many
of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on
my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch
not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!!
Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j.
"Joachim B�ddeker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Hi Thom,
|
| if you look at the following product description:
|
|http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/product_info.php?category_id=4&index_id=
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| 7&subcategory_id=&products_id=307& | | You will see that this board has RAID support. | | Have a look at the 4 IDE-Connectors on the right side of the board. | the blue ones are 2 standard ultra-ata 100 ide connectors, the orange | ones are 2 ultra-ata 100 raid connectors. | | it may help to switch your cd-rom/harddisk cables to the blue ones, | because these seem to have no RAID function. | | but consider this just a hint, i do not have know anything about this | board apart from the product description. | | Joachim | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag | news:vSZC7.162888$[email hidden]... | > Been here several times Bob but maybe you can help? I run an AbitSA6R | > mobo, Is this considered a RAID type board? As stated in my prior post | > I am *no* pc guru!! Any/All help appreciated & welcome! Tia.. Thom_j. | |Thom,
off course this is odd. But so are computers... ;-)
But if you do not use the raid function of your controller, which i
assume due to your question, just what would loose? your 2 ide conrollers
should be equally fast (both ata 100), but the one you have connected your
drives to (i assume) gives you the raid option which you do not use. (i
would use the term "changing the configuration" instead of "ripping
apart" ;-).)
From what i know, the problem lies within the drivers of certain raid
controllers in conjunction with the new sony cd protection code (which
was introduced with the new patch).
changing cables to the other controller is work of about 5 minutes which
*may* solve your problem. i would say *may*, because both ide controllers
*may* use the same driver and the problem would be persistant.
the other solution would be to wait for new drivers/a new patch from either
your conroller manufacturer or papyrus respectively. but since the security
stuff is controlled and applied by sony, not by papyrus it is not the task
of papyrus to apply new code to the patch, but to ask sony: "please use your
old protection code or provide a better code, please."
Important:
If you use 3 HD's and one CD-ROM drive you are using 4 ide channels. If all
your IDE connectors are already used (1 drive per controller), then please
*don't* think of switching cables, you will definitely run into problems.
My hint only applies, if only the orange ones are used and the blue ones
are empty. You should then change the orange primary cable to the blue
primary
and secondary respectively.
Joachim.
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Joachim, > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start ripping > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j.Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller? If so, that's
definitely not recommended by Highpoint. Also, are you actually using a
RAID configuration for your hard drives? If not, and you have 4 or
fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint
controller. You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100
controller.
- Eric
"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Joachim,
> I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* startripping
> my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many
> of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on
> my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch
> not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!!
> Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j.
Again thank you Joachim,
I understand everything you have so concisely detailed' and well written
"but" {yes theres a but!} I firstly am not happy going into my computer
doing this, Secondly I have my *Local Guru shop* do all my hardware
work as with all the junk I have installed {hardware&software} its better
for my peace of mind to let them do all the work so if anything does go
wrong it is their butts not mine! They also are extremely nice about any
complaints or changes/upgrades I want without any benchtime charges
either..
I have no idea 'how many or what cables' are connected to my 3 HDs
and my CD but I wont tear it down just to find out that it *may* work.
Again thank you but I guess I'll wait.. If it becomes too long of a wait
I'll just sell Nascar 4 and forget all of this mess as the aggravation isnt
worth it to me.. Cheers Thom_j.
"Joachim B�ddeker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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either
| your conroller manufacturer or papyrus respectively. but since thesecurity
| stuff is controlled and applied by sony, not by papyrus it is not the task
| of papyrus to apply new code to the patch, but to ask sony: "please useyour
| old protection code or provide a better code, please."
|
| Important:
| If you use 3 HD's and one CD-ROM drive you are using 4 ide channels. Ifall
ripping
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| Thom, | | off course this is odd. But so are computers... ;-) | | But if you do not use the raid function of your controller, which i | assume due to your question, just what would loose? your 2 ide conrollers | should be equally fast (both ata 100), but the one you have connected your | drives to (i assume) gives you the raid option which you do not use. (i | would use the term "changing the configuration" instead of "ripping | apart" ;-).) | | From what i know, the problem lies within the drivers of certain raid | controllers in conjunction with the new sony cd protection code (which | was introduced with the new patch). | | changing cables to the other controller is work of about 5 minutes which | *may* solve your problem. i would say *may*, because both ide controllers | *may* use the same driver and the problem would be persistant. | | the other solution would be to wait for new drivers/a new patch fromQuoted text (14 lines)
| your IDE connectors are already used (1 drive per controller), then please | *don't* think of switching cables, you will definitely run into problems. | My hint only applies, if only the orange ones are used and the blue ones | are empty. You should then change the orange primary cable to the blue | primary | and secondary respectively. | | | Joachim. | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag | news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]... | > Joachim, | > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* startQuoted text (7 lines)
| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many | > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on | > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch | > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! | > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j. | |As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what
is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now
to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without*
tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup
or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :)
Please re: & inform!! Thom_j.
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| Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller? If so, that's | definitely not recommended by Highpoint. Also, are you actually using a | RAID configuration for your hard drives? If not, and you have 4 or | fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint | controller. You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100 | controller. | | - Eric | | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]... | > Joachim, | > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start | ripping | > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many | > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on | > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch | > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! | > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j. | |Thom,
i use windows 2000 german, so descriptions will differ.
go to the device manager in win98
choose "devices by connection" as view (i am not sure if this is
available in w98, but it provides better finding only)
look for branches with IDE (or ata100, or harddisk icon) as description
open all those branches and see what devices are connected to which
ide-controller. only harddisks and cd-roms are interesting
Joachim
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> As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what > is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now > to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without* > tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup > or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :) > Please re: & inform!! Thom_j. > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9ri6ga$191$[email hidden]... > | Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller? If so, that's > | definitely not recommended by Highpoint. Also, are you actually using a > | RAID configuration for your hard drives? If not, and you have 4 or > | fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint > | controller. You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100 > | controller. > | > | - Eric > | > | > | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]... > | > Joachim, > | > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start > | ripping > | > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many > | > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on > | > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch > | > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! > | > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j. > | > | > >CART sim Eric Bush from PAPY?
Please? :)
Eric,
Just to let you know. I have a Abit motherboard with an integrated Highpoint
RAID controller. I read about the workaround of reverting back to the 1.0.3b
drivers. I have the 1.0.3b bios on the raid controller. When I installed the
older 1.0.3b driver to go with it, I got the same lockup as soon as I tried
to run N4. No splash screen, no error message, no nothing. The only thing
that changed for me was that I could not do a ALT-CTRL-DEL and end the
Nascar 4 application. Before I would have to do a hard reset to get out of
it.
Perhaps others in a similar situation should hold off going to the older
drivers and just wait for the official solution.
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> I sympathize with you, and I understand that as a consumer you really > don't care why something doesn't work or who's to blame, just that it > doesn't work on your system. I really wish there was something I or > Papy or even Sierra could do to fix it, but unfortunately we're in the > unenviable position of having to wait on a fix from Sony and/or > Highpoint. You may not need to do anything other than redownload an > updated patch (that's if Sony fixes it), but it's possible you may need > to update your HTP370 drivers (that's if HighPoint fixes it). If the > latter is the case, I'm sure HighPoint will be able to give all of the > necessary installation information. > > - Eric > > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4OZC7.162878$[email hidden]... > > Ok Eric, I am still confused as I am *no* pc guru and I hope Sierra > > {Or who'whom'ever} will have a readme.txt to walk me through the > > process! It is furstrating when you already have a sim type program > > working perfectly & then *poof!* nothing!! At this point I am not a > > huge fan of Sierra but I understand you're taking the heat for others > > within Sierra {to me} Didnt! do their jobs! Sorry but this is the way > > I feel & deservedly so IMO!! -Thom_j. > >SNAP!!!! that's wot happens to me as well
daz
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> Eric,
>
> Just to let you know. I have a Abit motherboard with an integratedHighpoint
> RAID controller. I read about the workaround of reverting back to the1.0.3b
> drivers. I have the 1.0.3b bios on the raid controller. When I installedthe
> older 1.0.3b driver to go with it, I got the same lockup as soon as Itried
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> to run N4. No splash screen, no error message, no nothing. The only thing > that changed for me was that I could not do a ALT-CTRL-DEL and end the > Nascar 4 application. Before I would have to do a hard reset to get out of > it. > > Perhaps others in a similar situation should hold off going to the older > drivers and just wait for the official solution. > > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9rhqap$bkl$[email hidden]... > > I sympathize with you, and I understand that as a consumer you really > > don't care why something doesn't work or who's to blame, just that it > > doesn't work on your system. I really wish there was something I or > > Papy or even Sierra could do to fix it, but unfortunately we're in the > > unenviable position of having to wait on a fix from Sony and/or > > Highpoint. You may not need to do anything other than redownload an > > updated patch (that's if Sony fixes it), but it's possible you may need > > to update your HTP370 drivers (that's if HighPoint fixes it). If the > > latter is the case, I'm sure HighPoint will be able to give all of the > > necessary installation information. > > > > - Eric > > > > > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:4OZC7.162878$[email hidden]... > > > Ok Eric, I am still confused as I am *no* pc guru and I hope Sierra > > > {Or who'whom'ever} will have a readme.txt to walk me through the > > > process! It is furstrating when you already have a sim type program > > > working perfectly & then *poof!* nothing!! At this point I am not a > > > huge fan of Sierra but I understand you're taking the heat for others > > > within Sierra {to me} Didnt! do their jobs! Sorry but this is the way > > > I feel & deservedly so IMO!! -Thom_j. > > > > > >LOL it's worth a shot I guess....CART CART CART!!!
Rafe Mc
On 28 Oct 2001 20:40:58 GMT, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote:
>CART SIM PLEASE ERIC FROM PAPY!!!!
Thom, when your PC starts up and tells you "p3 866, 256mb RAM, etc" it
will also check your "normal" IDE connectors for HDD. It should detect
you CDROM at the least. It'll say "primary ide master.....slave...
.Secondary master....slave" and list the devices. If your HDDs aren't
listed, then theyre on the RAID controller.
Normally devices on the RAID controller will be detected after the
screen is cleared, it'll say "HPT 370 controller"....etc and list the
devices connected there.
I must say though, Highpoint make the WORST ide controllers ever. This
problem is in addition to their HPT 366 controller, which was even
worse. I was only able to get mine running properly by setting it to
UDMA 33 manually. Highpoint suck :(
HTH Thom!!!
Rafe Mc
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:03:32 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]>
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>As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what >is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now >to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without* >tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup >or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :) >Please re: & inform!! Thom_j. > >"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9ri6ga$191$[email hidden]... >| Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller? If so, that's >| definitely not recommended by Highpoint. Also, are you actually using a >| RAID configuration for your hard drives? If not, and you have 4 or >| fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint >| controller. You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100 >| controller. >| >| - Eric >| >| >| "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >| news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]... >| > Joachim, >| > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start >| ripping >| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many >| > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on >| > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch >| > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! >| > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j. >| >| >Here Rafe, I sent this via email to Joachim, Maybe you can make sense
out of the mess below I found under Device Manager & also I'll check
what you told me about boot up & pause the screen to see.. But also I
do know HIghtpoint blah blah blah comes up on bootup on the top of
the screen almost like an anouncement with name, version, date, etc..
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Here is what I sent Joachim,
I opened device manager and I usally open "View devices by type"
but I did what you said: opened "View devices by connection" and
there is nothing about any Hardrives or CD Controllers.
There is a "Shuttle EPAT Extrenal ATAPI Adpter" & this drives my
external 'Sony 10gig SuperStaion' Tape Back machine that runs thru
my LPT1 port. This has SCSI controllers & the mfg name is Shuttle
Technology.
Now when I go back to "View devices by type" {device manager}
I have a seperate device SCSI Controllers & within this I have 3lines
HPT RSM DEVICE {opened the driver here is Highpoint 7-14-2000}
HPT370UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controller {opened the driver here is Highpoint
8-3-2000}
[and here is where I updated the 1.0.3. driver!] + it takes up Interupt
Request 15
Shuttle EPAT External Adapter {opened the driver here is Shuttle Technology
11-7-1997}
and under the "Settings Tab" & under Adapter Setting is this: /W95
So if I have a Highpoint & Sony problem, I guess it is here?
BUT.
I tried disabling all these & I couldnt reolad Wind98SE & then in
the BIOS I tried to disable ATARAID then I got a "BOOT DISC
FAILURE" So I had to put that back to enabled, then boot into
"Safe-Mode" to enable all "Exists in all hardware profiles" in all 3
lines again.. So thats all I can find.. And I guess I am screwed?
What is your opinions on this Joachim? I am out of ideas at this
point and now working on hour 14 of this crap! Any Ideas??
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| Thom, when your PC starts up and tells you "p3 866, 256mb RAM, etc" it | will also check your "normal" IDE connectors for HDD. It should detect | you CDROM at the least. It'll say "primary ide master.....slave... | .Secondary master....slave" and list the devices. If your HDDs aren't | listed, then theyre on the RAID controller. | | Normally devices on the RAID controller will be detected after the | screen is cleared, it'll say "HPT 370 controller"....etc and list the | devices connected there. | | I must say though, Highpoint make the WORST ide controllers ever. This | problem is in addition to their HPT 366 controller, which was even | worse. I was only able to get mine running properly by setting it to | UDMA 33 manually. Highpoint suck :( | | HTH Thom!!! | | Rafe Mc | | On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:03:32 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what | >is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now | >to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without* | >tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup | >or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :) | >Please re: & inform!! Thom_j. | > | >"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | >news:9ri6ga$191$[email hidden]... | >| Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller? If so, that's | >| definitely not recommended by Highpoint. Also, are you actually usingQuoted text (22 lines)
| >| RAID configuration for your hard drives? If not, and you have 4 or | >| fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint | >| controller. You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100 | >| controller. | >| | >| - Eric | >| | >| | >| "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | >| news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]... | >| > Joachim, | >| > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start | >| ripping | >| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many | >| > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on | >| > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch | >| > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! | >| > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j. | >| | >| | > |Rafe the screens flew by fast but I paused them the best I could.
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Screen #1
Award Modular BIOS v8.00PG, An Energy Star Ally Copyright {blah blah}
GREEN AGP/PCI/CNR SYSTEM
Main Memory Clock is 133MHz
Detecting IDE drvies... None
{THEN WHAM NEXT SCREEN POPPED UP}
Screen #2
HighPoint Technologies, Inc. HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controllers
BIOS v1.0.0622
(c) 1999-2000 HighPoint Technologies, Inc. All rights reservered
Press <Ctrl><H> to run BIOS Setting Utility
Scan Devices. Please wait....
Primary Master: Maxtor 53073H6
Primary Slave : Maxtor 53073H6
Secondary Master: Maxtor 53073H6
Secondary Slave: No Drive
Then came the list with floppy drive, IRQs, etc. etc. & then the
Windows98 StartUp Screen to go into Windows98SE.. Thats it!
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So it appears via these screens I'm running the BIOS via HighPoint
& the IDE Drives... yes? Any help welcome and still what a pain in
the azz!! Thom_j.
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| Thom, when your PC starts up and tells you "p3 866, 256mb RAM, etc" it | will also check your "normal" IDE connectors for HDD. It should detect | you CDROM at the least. It'll say "primary ide master.....slave... | .Secondary master....slave" and list the devices. If your HDDs aren't | listed, then theyre on the RAID controller. | | Normally devices on the RAID controller will be detected after the | screen is cleared, it'll say "HPT 370 controller"....etc and list the | devices connected there. | | I must say though, Highpoint make the WORST ide controllers ever. This | problem is in addition to their HPT 366 controller, which was even | worse. I was only able to get mine running properly by setting it to | UDMA 33 manually. Highpoint suck :( | | HTH Thom!!! | | Rafe Mc | | On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:03:32 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what | >is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now | >to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without* | >tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup | >or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :) | >Please re: & inform!! Thom_j. | > | >"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | >news:9ri6ga$191$[email hidden]... | >| Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller? If so, that's | >| definitely not recommended by Highpoint. Also, are you actually usingQuoted text (22 lines)
| >| RAID configuration for your hard drives? If not, and you have 4 or | >| fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint | >| controller. You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100 | >| controller. | >| | >| - Eric | >| | >| | >| "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | >| news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]... | >| > Joachim, | >| > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start | >| ripping | >| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many | >| > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on | >| > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch | >| > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! | >| > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j. | >| | >| | > |Oops this is "Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG" Not! "v8.00PG"
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| Rafe the screens flew by fast but I paused them the best I could. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Screen #1 | Award Modular BIOS v8.00PG, An Energy Star Ally Copyright {blah blah} | GREEN AGP/PCI/CNR SYSTEM | Main Memory Clock is 133MHz | Detecting IDE drvies... None | {THEN WHAM NEXT SCREEN POPPED UP} | Screen #2 | HighPoint Technologies, Inc. HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controllers | BIOS v1.0.0622 | (c) 1999-2000 HighPoint Technologies, Inc. All rights reservered | Press <Ctrl><H> to run BIOS Setting Utility | Scan Devices. Please wait.... | Primary Master: Maxtor 53073H6 | Primary Slave : Maxtor 53073H6 | Secondary Master: Maxtor 53073H6 | Secondary Slave: No Drive | | Then came the list with floppy drive, IRQs, etc. etc. & then the | Windows98 StartUp Screen to go into Windows98SE.. Thats it! | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | So it appears via these screens I'm running the BIOS via HighPoint | & the IDE Drives... yes? Any help welcome and still what a pain in | the azz!! Thom_j. | | "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | | Thom, when your PC starts up and tells you "p3 866, 256mb RAM, etc" it | | will also check your "normal" IDE connectors for HDD. It should detect | | you CDROM at the least. It'll say "primary ide master.....slave... | | .Secondary master....slave" and list the devices. If your HDDs aren't | | listed, then theyre on the RAID controller. | | | | Normally devices on the RAID controller will be detected after the | | screen is cleared, it'll say "HPT 370 controller"....etc and list the | | devices connected there. | | | | I must say though, Highpoint make the WORST ide controllers ever. This | | problem is in addition to their HPT 366 controller, which was even | | worse. I was only able to get mine running properly by setting it to | | UDMA 33 manually. Highpoint suck :( | | | | HTH Thom!!! | | | | Rafe Mc | | | | On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:03:32 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | | wrote: | | | | >As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what | | >is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now | | >to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without* | | >tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup | | >or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :) | | >Please re: & inform!! Thom_j. | | > | | >"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | | >news:9ri6ga$191$[email hidden]... | | >| Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller? If so, that's | | >| definitely not recommended by Highpoint. Also, are you actuallyQuoted text (25 lines)
| a | | >| RAID configuration for your hard drives? If not, and you have 4 or | | >| fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint | | >| controller. You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100 | | >| controller. | | >| | | >| - Eric | | >| | | >| | | >| "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | | >| news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]... | | >| > Joachim, | | >| > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start | | >| ripping | | >| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many | | >| > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on | | >| > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch | | >| > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! | | >| > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j. | | >| | | >| | | > | | | |Look here pal, you've been told the problem, yet u continue to spout off.
Either quit playing the game and go away, or wait for Sony/Highpoint to sort
out the problem that you keep accusing Papy of messing up.
--
Biz
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Joachim,
> I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start ripping
> my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many
> of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on
> my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch
> not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!!
> Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j.
>
> "Joachim B�ddeker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:9ri3pq$u2f1o$[email hidden]...
> | Hi Thom,
> |
> | if you look at the following product description:
> |
> |
>
http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/product_info.php?category_id=4&index_id=
> | 7&subcategory_id=&products_id=307&
> |
> | You will see that this board has RAID support.
> |
> | Have a look at the 4 IDE-Connectors on the right side of the board.
> | the blue ones are 2 standard ultra-ata 100 ide connectors, the orange
> | ones are 2 ultra-ata 100 raid connectors.
> |
> | it may help to switch your cd-rom/harddisk cables to the blue ones,
> | because these seem to have no RAID function.
> |
> | but consider this just a hint, i do not have know anything about this
> | board apart from the product description.
> |
> | Joachim
> |
> | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> | news:vSZC7.162888$[email hidden]...
> | > Been here several times Bob but maybe you can help? I run an AbitSA6R
> | > mobo, Is this considered a RAID type board? As stated in my prior post
> | > I am *no* pc guru!! Any/All help appreciated & welcome! Tia.. Thom_j.
> |
> |
>
>
First off you are not *my* "pal" J'O'!!
Who in the H*LL do you think you are telling me this crap? I will post
anything I feel pertinent to any issue here Via any 'Race Sim Game' or
anything close & if you dont like it put me in your kill file you A-hole!
It is A-holes like you that ruin newsgroups!! So the day you own this
newsgroup is the day you can kick me off. Since you dont, Kiss it!!
"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Look here pal, you've been told the problem, yet u continue to spout off.
| Either quit playing the game and go away, or wait for Sony/Highpoint tosort
ripping
http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/product_info.php?category_id=4&index_id=
AbitSA6R
| > | > mobo, Is this considered a RAID type board? As stated in my priorpost
| > | > I am *no* pc guru!! Any/All help appreciated & welcome! Tia..Thom_j.
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
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| out the problem that you keep accusing Papy of messing up. | | -- | Biz | | "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand | alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and | the....." - Ash | | | Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]... | > Joachim, | > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* startQuoted text (15 lines)
| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many | > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on | > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch | > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! | > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j. | > | > "Joachim B�ddeker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:9ri3pq$u2f1o$[email hidden]... | > | Hi Thom, | > | | > | if you look at the following product description: | > | | > | | > |Quoted text (19 lines)
| > | 7&subcategory_id=&products_id=307& | > | | > | You will see that this board has RAID support. | > | | > | Have a look at the 4 IDE-Connectors on the right side of the board. | > | the blue ones are 2 standard ultra-ata 100 ide connectors, the orange | > | ones are 2 ultra-ata 100 raid connectors. | > | | > | it may help to switch your cd-rom/harddisk cables to the blue ones, | > | because these seem to have no RAID function. | > | | > | but consider this just a hint, i do not have know anything about this | > | board apart from the product description. | > | | > | Joachim | > | | > | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag | > | news:vSZC7.162888$[email hidden]... | > | > Been here several times Bob but maybe you can help? I run anThom, there is a separate bios for the highpoint controller which
loads after your normal bios loads, this is just for the HDD
controller. You access the normal bios by pressing delete. You can
adjust the highpoint bios by pressing <ctrl-h> when it says (assuming
I got the keys right!)
If the first screen disappears that quick, it means that NO devices
are connected to the normal IDE controller. This is confirmed when the
hpt one says all 3 devices are connected to it.
The solution is as easy as it comes. All you do is swap from the RAID
connector to the standard ATA connector. From the picture I'm seeing,
you move the left orange cable to the left most blue connector. The
same with the right (secondary) connector. That's it. You should be
fine from there on.
You may need to let the bios know about the change (probably not
though, it seems to be set to auto detect.) If so, just set primary
master and slave (and secondary) to "auto" and you'll be set.
BTW, those RAID controllers are more trouble than they're worth if
you're not using RAID. You may want to disable it in the bios to avoid
future hardware probs.
Rafe Mc
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:01:33 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]>
wrote:
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>Rafe the screens flew by fast but I paused them the best I could. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Screen #1 >Award Modular BIOS v8.00PG, An Energy Star Ally Copyright {blah blah} >GREEN AGP/PCI/CNR SYSTEM >Main Memory Clock is 133MHz >Detecting IDE drvies... None >{THEN WHAM NEXT SCREEN POPPED UP} >Screen #2 >HighPoint Technologies, Inc. HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controllers >BIOS v1.0.0622 >(c) 1999-2000 HighPoint Technologies, Inc. All rights reservered >Press <Ctrl><H> to run BIOS Setting Utility >Scan Devices. Please wait.... >Primary Master: Maxtor 53073H6 >Primary Slave : Maxtor 53073H6 >Secondary Master: Maxtor 53073H6 >Secondary Slave: No Drive > >Then came the list with floppy drive, IRQs, etc. etc. & then the >Windows98 StartUp Screen to go into Windows98SE.. Thats it! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >So it appears via these screens I'm running the BIOS via HighPoint >& the IDE Drives... yes? Any help welcome and still what a pain in >the azz!! Thom_j. > >"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >| Thom, when your PC starts up and tells you "p3 866, 256mb RAM, etc" it >| will also check your "normal" IDE connectors for HDD. It should detect >| you CDROM at the least. It'll say "primary ide master.....slave... >| .Secondary master....slave" and list the devices. If your HDDs aren't >| listed, then theyre on the RAID controller. >| >| Normally devices on the RAID controller will be detected after the >| screen is cleared, it'll say "HPT 370 controller"....etc and list the >| devices connected there. >| >| I must say though, Highpoint make the WORST ide controllers ever. This >| problem is in addition to their HPT 366 controller, which was even >| worse. I was only able to get mine running properly by setting it to >| UDMA 33 manually. Highpoint suck :( >| >| HTH Thom!!! >| >| Rafe Mc >| >| On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:03:32 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> >| wrote: >| >| >As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what >| >is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now >| >to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without* >| >tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup >| >or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :) >| >Please re: & inform!! Thom_j. >| > >| >"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >| >news:9ri6ga$191$[email hidden]... >| >| Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller? If so, that's >| >| definitely not recommended by Highpoint. Also, are you actually using >a >| >| RAID configuration for your hard drives? If not, and you have 4 or >| >| fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint >| >| controller. You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100 >| >| controller. >| >| >| >| - Eric >| >| >| >| >| >| "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >| >| news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]... >| >| > Joachim, >| >| > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start >| >| ripping >| >| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many >| >| > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on >| >| > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch >| >| > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!! >| >| > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j. >| >| >| >| >| > >| >Thanx for the info Rafe, and this has been stated several times now
via the 'nice folks' trying to help. So I guess it is my problem? Sadly
for reasons by my builders it'll have to go into the shop for 2-stupid
wires because if I open the tower I break the seals & my warranty is
then ended. I guess when I get the time & patience to rip it all down.
Then I will take it over to my Gurus..
Again thank you Rafe and everyone else who tried to help! This is
my last post on this issue as it is going into redundancy mode and
others are apparently getting Pee'O'ed with this thread.{-Not that I
really give a flying F**k tho'.-}
Cheers Thom_j.
"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Thom, there is a separate bios for the highpoint controller which | loads after your normal bios loads, this is just for the HDD | controller. You access the normal bios by pressing delete. You can | adjust the highpoint bios by pressing <ctrl-h> when it says (assuming | I got the keys right!) | | If the first screen disappears that quick, it means that NO devices | are connected to the normal IDE controller. This is confirmed when the | hpt one says all 3 devices are connected to it. | | The solution is as easy as it comes. All you do is swap from the RAID | connector to the standard ATA connector. From the picture I'm seeing, | you move the left orange cable to the left most blue connector. The | same with the right (secondary) connector. That's it. You should be | fine from there on. | | You may need to let the bios know about the change (probably not | though, it seems to be set to auto detect.) If so, just set primary | master and slave (and secondary) to "auto" and you'll be set. | | BTW, those RAID controllers are more trouble than they're worth if | you're not using RAID. You may want to disable it in the bios to avoid | future hardware probs. | | Rafe McWhat a loser......
--
Biz
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:OCjD7.164985$[email hidden]...
> First off you are not *my* "pal" J'O'!!
> Who in the H*LL do you think you are telling me this crap? I will post
> anything I feel pertinent to any issue here Via any 'Race Sim Game' or
> anything close & if you dont like it put me in your kill file you A-hole!
> It is A-holes like you that ruin newsgroups!! So the day you own this
> newsgroup is the day you can kick me off. Since you dont, Kiss it!!
>
> "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:nziD7.163439$[email hidden]...
> | Look here pal, you've been told the problem, yet u continue to spout
off.
> | Either quit playing the game and go away, or wait for Sony/Highpoint to
> sort
> | out the problem that you keep accusing Papy of messing up.
> |
> | --
> | Biz
> |
> | "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> | alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
structures,....and
> | the....." - Ash
> |
> |
> | Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> | news:NA0D7.163361$[email hidden]...
> | > Joachim,
> | > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start
> ripping
> | > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many
> | > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on
> | > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch
> | > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!!
> | > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j.
> | >
> | > "Joachim B�ddeker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> | > news:9ri3pq$u2f1o$[email hidden]...
> | > | Hi Thom,
> | > |
> | > | if you look at the following product description:
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> |
>
http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/product_info.php?category_id=4&index_id=
> | > | 7&subcategory_id=&products_id=307&
> | > |
> | > | You will see that this board has RAID support.
> | > |
> | > | Have a look at the 4 IDE-Connectors on the right side of the board.
> | > | the blue ones are 2 standard ultra-ata 100 ide connectors, the
orange
> | > | ones are 2 ultra-ata 100 raid connectors.
> | > |
> | > | it may help to switch your cd-rom/harddisk cables to the blue ones,
> | > | because these seem to have no RAID function.
> | > |
> | > | but consider this just a hint, i do not have know anything about
this
> | > | board apart from the product description.
> | > |
> | > | Joachim
> | > |
> | > | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> | > | news:vSZC7.162888$[email hidden]...
> | > | > Been here several times Bob but maybe you can help? I run an
> AbitSA6R
> | > | > mobo, Is this considered a RAID type board? As stated in my prior
> post
> | > | > I am *no* pc guru!! Any/All help appreciated & welcome! Tia..
> Thom_j.
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
Insult all you want, but what he is doing is trying to make a broken
program work and unfortunately he is in over his head. Too bad you don't
have any solutions.
Hopefully you can remember a lesson your mother should have taught you.
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
dave henrie
"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:duoD7.146571$[email hidden]...
> What a (Snip)
> --
> Biz
Thanx Dave H!! I guess being away from this NG quickly put me in
the PO'ed mood when this other "Whatever?" tried to insult me and
I lowered myself to its level! You & many others know me and who
I am.. He doesn't and it's his loss not mine! :)
Also, U bet ur azz I am over my head with this computer junk!.. :')
Put me in a real-life race'car or motorcycle & I'm just fine but this
puter crap is frustrating as *H*..phew..
Take Care & Thanx again for the kind words! Thom_j.
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:gPoD7.15640$[email hidden]...
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| Insult all you want, but what he is doing is trying to make a broken | program work and unfortunately he is in over his head. Too bad you don't | have any solutions. | Hopefully you can remember a lesson your mother should have taught you. | If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. | dave henrie | | "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:duoD7.146571$[email hidden]... | > What a (Snip) | > -- | > Biz | | |Actually that's not too unexpected, as the 1.0.3b drivers are not the
drivers that people have had success with. Instead they've used the
older 1.0.3 drivers (note the missing 'b').
- Eric
"Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Just to let you know. I have a Abit motherboard with an integratedHighpoint
> RAID controller. I read about the workaround of reverting back to the1.0.3b
> drivers. I have the 1.0.3b bios on the raid controller. When Iinstalled the
> older 1.0.3b driver to go with it, I got the same lockup as soon as Itried
> to run N4. No splash screen, no error message, no nothing. The onlything
> that changed for me was that I could not do a ALT-CTRL-DEL and end the
> Nascar 4 application. Before I would have to do a hard reset to getout of
> it.
NP, good luck with the PC shop :)
Rafe Mc
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:19:02 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]>
wrote:
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>Thanx for the info Rafe, and this has been stated several times now >via the 'nice folks' trying to help. So I guess it is my problem? Sadly >for reasons by my builders it'll have to go into the shop for 2-stupid >wires because if I open the tower I break the seals & my warranty is >then ended. I guess when I get the time & patience to rip it all down. >Then I will take it over to my Gurus.. >Again thank you Rafe and everyone else who tried to help! This is >my last post on this issue as it is going into redundancy mode and >others are apparently getting Pee'O'ed with this thread.{-Not that I >really give a flying F**k tho'.-} >Cheers Thom_j. > >"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >| Thom, there is a separate bios for the highpoint controller which >| loads after your normal bios loads, this is just for the HDD >| controller. You access the normal bios by pressing delete. You can >| adjust the highpoint bios by pressing <ctrl-h> when it says (assuming >| I got the keys right!) >| >| If the first screen disappears that quick, it means that NO devices >| are connected to the normal IDE controller. This is confirmed when the >| hpt one says all 3 devices are connected to it. >| >| The solution is as easy as it comes. All you do is swap from the RAID >| connector to the standard ATA connector. From the picture I'm seeing, >| you move the left orange cable to the left most blue connector. The >| same with the right (secondary) connector. That's it. You should be >| fine from there on. >| >| You may need to let the bios know about the change (probably not >| though, it seems to be set to auto detect.) If so, just set primary >| master and slave (and secondary) to "auto" and you'll be set. >| >| BTW, those RAID controllers are more trouble than they're worth if >| you're not using RAID. You may want to disable it in the bios to avoid >| future hardware probs. >| >| Rafe Mc > >In article <duoD7.146571$[email hidden]>, "Biz"
<[email hidden]> writes:
>What a loser......
>
Why - because he has to totally tear apart his computer for ONE program?
Obviously, you'd be more than happy to disrupt your system for it...
And you're surprized he didn't appreciate your abrasive comment? Some people's
children...
Eldred
--
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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with experience...
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Biz <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:nziD7.163439$[email hidden]...
> Look here pal, you've been told the problem, yet u continue to spout off.
> Either quit playing the game and go away, or wait for Sony/Highpoint tosort
Wow, you obviously don't know of Thom_J at all do you? He is a lot more
insightful around here than your post was. If he were you or I, yes he could
pull his ribbon cable off his RAID connector and plug it into is plain IDE
connector and likely be done with the problem forever, but the guy has
confessed he is uncomfortable doing this. I undertand this, not everyone is
as computer literate as *me* hehe, but don't rant on him just because he is
frustrated. Geeze. He hasn't been ranting at YOU has he, No, it has been
Papy and his RAID controller people.
Thom, hopefully there will be a fix for the controller issue soon so you can
go back to helping folks instead of getting flamed...I have a RAID board
with the HPT370 controller too, I just don't use the RAID side and all is
well, a fix should not be that hard if someone would just do it and get it
out to the public.
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> out the problem that you keep accusing Papy of messing up. > > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > >SimRacer, First, Thank you for the kind words, Now, yes it is frustrating
to have a "Sim Game" that I enjoyed not run because of a patch. I'm still
a bit confused why my Highpoint stuff is such a problem for the new 1.3
patch but I'm over my head with all this crap, as stated before! :)
I also hope this issue will be resolved quickly and as you well know I am
a helper, not a ranting complainer but I digress. Anyway I'm not going to
"re-hash" old' news & I just wanted to acknowledge that I had seen your
post and thank you.. Cheers Thom_j.
"SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:73YD7.60906$[email hidden]...
| Wow, you obviously don't know of Thom_J at all do you? He is a lot more
| insightful around here than your post was. If he were you or I, yes hecould
| pull his ribbon cable off his RAID connector and plug it into is plain IDE
| connector and likely be done with the problem forever, but the guy has
| confessed he is uncomfortable doing this. I undertand this, not everyoneis
| as computer literate as *me* hehe, but don't rant on him just because heis
| frustrated. Geeze. He hasn't been ranting at YOU has he, No, it has been
| Papy and his RAID controller people.
|
| Thom, hopefully there will be a fix for the controller issue soon so youcan
| go back to helping folks instead of getting flamed...I have a RAID board
| with the HPT370 controller too, I just don't use the RAID side and all is
| well, a fix should not be that hard if someone would just do it and get it
| out to the public.
|
|
The solution is simple, Eric. Pull out that useless SecuRom junk and
everyone will be able to play the games they purchased :)
-Larry
"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:9rhomh$4os$[email hidden]...
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> The patch uses an updated version of Sony's SecuROM protection, which > has since been found to have problems on some systems with HTP370 RAID > controllers. Sony and HighPoint are both aware of the problem, and are > working together on a solution. Its unknown at the time whether it will > be a driver update for the HTP370, or an update to the SecuROM > protection, or perhaps even both. > > I'm not sure what address you might be using, but there is no email at > Papy for tech support. All such issues and concerns should be directed > to Sierra instead. > > - Eric > > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZnZC7.162826$[email hidden]... > > I am lost then Eric?? Why Or What does Highpoint or Sony have to > > do to make a Sierra product run correctly? It ran fine with 1.1 patch! > > please re: & inform.. Thom_j. > > P.S. btw: I never knew you didn't reply via your email address but > > neither did Papy or Sierra! A bit disappointing in my opinion!! > >The 1.03's have also fixed a lot of problems with mice as well, if I recall
correctly.
-Larry
"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Actually that's not too unexpected, as the 1.0.3b drivers are not the > drivers that people have had success with. Instead they've used the > older 1.0.3 drivers (note the missing 'b'). > > - Eric > > > "Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Just to let you know. I have a Abit motherboard with an integrated > Highpoint > > RAID controller. I read about the workaround of reverting back to the > 1.0.3b > > drivers. I have the 1.0.3b bios on the raid controller. When I > installed the > > older 1.0.3b driver to go with it, I got the same lockup as soon as I > tried > > to run N4. No splash screen, no error message, no nothing. The only > thing > > that changed for me was that I could not do a ALT-CTRL-DEL and end the > > Nascar 4 application. Before I would have to do a hard reset to get > out of > > it. > >
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:KCnG7.117163$%[email hidden]...
> The solution is simple, Eric. Pull out that useless SecuRom junk and
> everyone will be able to play the games they purchased :)
>
> -Larry I would bet that Papyrus has no say in the matter. Most likely Sierra
has signed a contract with Sony to copy-protect all it's titles. I have to
say tho...that including a cp update in a patch is a new one for me....never
heard of it before....
Also...while I don't condone Piracy...a hack is already available to
bypass the XP registration...less than two weeks after the official release.
Further proof that Copy Protection does NOT prevent piracy...
dave henrie
On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 05:00:10 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>Further proof that Copy Protection does NOT prevent piracy...
>dave henrie
Indeed, copy protections are TOTALLY useless, and it's ridiculous to
use a copy protection which does not work one many systems.
The only one ending up with problems now is the paying customer, since
the cracked version has this copy protection nicely removed.
The only way to urge people to buy their games is to use serial
numbers which are needed for online play. First it's very hard to
crack a system like that, secondly the cracking groups don't even
bother with that.
Another reason for focussing on multiplayer quality.
Andre
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:ujoG7.3341$[email hidden]...
> Also...while I don't condone Piracy...a hack is already available to
> bypass the XP registration...
Yea, good. So where is it?
Bearshare(son of napster + gnutella)
> Yea, good. So where is it?
>
>
In article <ujoG7.3341$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie"
<[email hidden]> writes:
Exactly. Civ III came out - what, Nov 2nd? One of the kids in our office
already has a cracked version...
Yup, that copy protection really works....
Eldred
--
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>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:KCnG7.117163$%[email hidden]... >> The solution is simple, Eric. Pull out that useless SecuRom junk and >> everyone will be able to play the games they purchased :) >> >> -Larry > I would bet that Papyrus has no say in the matter. Most likely Sierra >has signed a contract with Sony to copy-protect all it's titles. I have to >say tho...that including a cp update in a patch is a new one for me....never >heard of it before.... > Also...while I don't condone Piracy...a hack is already available to >bypass the XP registration...less than two weeks after the official release. >Further proof that Copy Protection does NOT prevent piracy...
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:kUwG7.4490$[email hidden]...
> Bearshare(son of napster + gnutella)
On second thoughts...I just read that the Bearshare software has Adware in
it. Think I'll pass, thx anyway.
STP wrote:
It's easily disabled.
--
Fester
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> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kUwG7.4490$[email hidden]... > > Bearshare(son of napster + gnutella) > > On second thoughts...I just read that the Bearshare software has Adware in > it. Think I'll pass, thx anyway.
"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> It's easily disabled.
>
> --
>
> Fester
OK, I'll try it then. Thx.
