N4 Bug report for Papy and/or Eric Bush

Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so he got a 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turned green, spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits. Regardless of gear, engine revved and he could not move. He had to retire. 2)At Phoenix: Leader comes in under yellow for tires and gas. At the end of a normal 14.9 second stop, same deal. Engine revving and regardles of gear, he could not move. He had to retire. 3)Last night at Bristol: One driver had a good pitstop early on, and there after he could not get tires. He'd come in, get gas, and they would tell him to "Go Go Go" with no tire changing going on at all. This driver was BF's early inrace. came in under green and they pitted him, not a stop and go. There after he got no tires in 4 tries. This has happened in the past 7 days, to 3 different drivers on 2 different servers. Any ideas? (Would have postd this at Papy, but their board is apparently down for maintenance...)

I've also seen this happen 2 different times since the 1.3 patch.. And I've had a similar bug happen to me, after the new patch.. I got a bogus black flag (separate bug rant) but when I came in to serve the penalty, the crew does a regular pit stop and didn't even clear the penalty.. I sure hope Pappy isn't going to ignore these new bugs! It's a race buster for sure and can, will ruin the fun of the game if not corrected!! I know I've seen that there won't be any more patches or add on's or what ever, but come on now, don't put out a buggy patch and then call it quits!! SimRacer wrote: > > Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At > North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so he got a > 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turned green, > spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits.

Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any. Every time I've heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently. People getting unsafe entry/exit penalities, i.e. think it's a bug.........until they see they drove over the yellow line, on grass, etc. I.e., in this case, how many laps went by before you served the penalty? If you don't serve it within a few laps, you're disqualified from the race. Probably not the case here, but just to be sure. -John Mick <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've also seen this happen 2 different times since the 1.3 patch.. And > I've had a similar bug happen to me, after the new patch.. I got a bogus > black flag (separate bug rant) but when I came in to serve the penalty, > the crew does a regular pit stop and didn't even clear the penalty.. I > sure hope Pappy isn't going to ignore these new bugs! It's a race buster > for sure and can, will ruin the fun of the game if not corrected!! I > know I've seen that there won't be any more patches or add on's or what > ever, but come on now, don't put out a buggy patch and then call it > quits!! > > SimRacer wrote: > > > > Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At > > North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so he

got a > > 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turnedgreen, > > spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits.

I feel that there is certainly a new black flag bug at Las Vegas that was introduced with the latest patch. Here's the results file from our recent league race there..... http://www.wsrlracing.com/fri_stat/10%2026%20vegas.html My racers typically have a total of 3-5 penalties per race. At that Las Vegas race, there were over 50 black flags between 17 racers. -Paul E -League & Server Admin Western States Racing League www.wsrlracing.com My reply e-mail address is invalid. Please reply to this news group. "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3be59624$[email hidden]... > Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any. Every timeI've > heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently. People > getting unsafe entry/exit penalities, i.e. think it's a bug.........until > they see they drove over the yellow line, on grass, etc. > > I.e., in this case, how many laps went by before you served the penalty? > If you don't serve it within a few laps, you're disqualified from therace. > Probably not the case here, but just to be sure. > > -John > >

In the league I race in, we just raced Pheonix, and this same type of thing happened. The driver was told to pit for a black flag and was held forever. Finally he had to pull the line from his modem and boot himself from the race to clear this neverending black-flag. But honestly this is the way these things work, fix twenty bugs and twenty more become an issue. Perhaps we will never see a bug free peice of software anymore. btgoss "Paul E" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I feel that there is certainly a new black flag bug at Las Vegas that was > introduced with the latest patch. Here's the results file from our recent > league race there..... > > http://www.wsrlracing.com/fri_stat/10%2026%20vegas.html > > My racers typically have a total of 3-5 penalties per race. At that Las > Vegas race, there were over 50 black flags between 17 racers. > > -Paul E > -League & Server Admin > Western States Racing League > www.wsrlracing.com > > My reply e-mail address is invalid. > Please reply to this news group. > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3be59624$[email hidden]... > > Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any. Every time > I've > > heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently. People > > getting unsafe entry/exit penalities, i.e. think it's a

bug.........until > > they see they drove over the yellow line, on grass, etc. > > > > I.e., in this case, how many laps went by before you served thepenalty?

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> > If you don't serve it within a few laps, you're disqualified from the > race. > > Probably not the case here, but just to be sure. > > > > -John > > > > > > >

In my case, I stopped the first lap, after going back to green, and only got service. Then again on the next lap to finally clear the BF. That's a bug that was, is annoying, but livable.. The other instances where cars are pitting and having to retire because their car is stuck in the pits is unacceptable. And in the race where I witnessed it, (Race replay) there wasn't any blown left side tires and being too close to the pit wall, or anything like that. One guy waited at least a half hour.. We had to beg him to retire, so he would shut up about it ;-) John Pancoast wrote: > > Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any. Every time I've > heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently.

What did it say in the results, as the reason for his leaving? -John Mick <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In my case, I stopped the first lap, after going back to green, and only > got service. Then again on the next lap to finally clear the BF. That's > a bug that was, is annoying, but livable.. The other instances where > cars are pitting and having to retire because their car is stuck in the > pits is unacceptable. And in the race where I witnessed it, (Race > replay) there wasn't any blown left side tires and being too close to > the pit wall, or anything like that. One guy waited at least a half > hour.. We had to beg him to retire, so he would shut up about it ;-) > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any. Every time

I've > > heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently.

No ideas, other than that I share your suspicion that it is a bug... I was racing at NC last week and got in a wreck. My car was really beat up and so I knew I was going to be in the pits a long time anyway, and since the pits were empty at the time, I just sped to my stall. I got the 15 second penalty, and then was given the go ahead. Then, back on the speedway, I kept getting a "you're going to have to come in to serve this black flag" message. So I went in and served it, and after that everything was OK. Didn't go back and watch the replay, but I don't remember doing anything that could have remotely caused another black flag besides the one for speeding, and certainly didn't receive any messages from my spotter about one. Hope they fix it soon if the bug is as pervasive as it seems. Gerald "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ocBE7.47368$[email hidden]>...

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> Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At > North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so he got a > 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turned green, > spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits. Regardless of gear, > engine revved and he could not move. He had to retire. 2)At Phoenix: Leader > comes in under yellow for tires and gas. At the end of a normal 14.9 second > stop, same deal. Engine revving and regardles of gear, he could not move. He > had to retire. 3)Last night at Bristol: One driver had a good pitstop early > on, and there after he could not get tires. He'd come in, get gas, and they > would tell him to "Go Go Go" with no tire changing going on at all. This > driver was BF's early inrace. came in under green and they pitted him, not a > stop and go. There after he got no tires in 4 tries. > > This has happened in the past 7 days, to 3 different drivers on 2 different > servers. Any ideas? > > (Would have postd this at Papy, but their board is apparently down for > maintenance...)

When you sped going into the pits, did you pass anyone on the track under yellow before/during entering the pits, including on the apron going into the pits, etc.? That would be a black flag. -John Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> No ideas, other than that I share your suspicion that it is a bug... > > I was racing at NC last week and got in a wreck. My car was really > beat up and so I knew I was going to be in the pits a long time > anyway, and since the pits were empty at the time, I just sped to my > stall. I got the 15 second penalty, and then was given the go ahead. > Then, back on the speedway, I kept getting a "you're going to have to > come in to serve this black flag" message. So I went in and served > it, and after that everything was OK. > > Didn't go back and watch the replay, but I don't remember doing > anything that could have remotely caused another black flag besides > the one for speeding, and certainly didn't receive any messages from > my spotter about one. > > Hope they fix it soon if the bug is as pervasive as it seems. > > > Gerald > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<ocBE7.47368$[email hidden]>... > > Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At > > North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so hegot a > > 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turnedgreen, > > spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits. Regardless ofgear, > > engine revved and he could not move. He had to retire. 2)At Phoenix:Leader > > comes in under yellow for tires and gas. At the end of a normal 14.9second > > stop, same deal. Engine revving and regardles of gear, he could notmove. He > > had to retire. 3)Last night at Bristol: One driver had a good pitstopearly > > on, and there after he could not get tires. He'd come in, get gas, andthey > > would tell him to "Go Go Go" with no tire changing going on at all. This > > driver was BF's early inrace. came in under green and they pitted him,not a > > stop and go. There after he got no tires in 4 tries. > > > > This has happened in the past 7 days, to 3 different drivers on 2different > > servers. Any ideas? > > > > (Would have postd this at Papy, but their board is apparently down for > > maintenance...)

I believe it listed him as "Retired" John, but I'm not positive. His car was still running and responding to the throttle input. And the gear selector would show the gears switching. It wasn't like a normal game "freeze" where you get booted because of your connection or something.. He said he could see us going by, and his game sounds were all still fine. His chat was still working, and we were having him call for a tow truck, and everything we could think of, but his car was just stuck in the pits.. Both incidents happened at Phoenix, so I'm not sure if it's a global bug or not.. Mick John Pancoast wrote: > > What did it say in the results, as the reason for his leaving? > > -John

Hmm......definately strange, to be sure. If you haven't already, put it on the Sierra board and see what, if anything, comes from it. Fwiw, last week, I ran a 75% online race at Phoenix, and didn't hear of this happening, so who knows whats up. It sounds like the code is holding him for a reason, but definately not sure about that. -John Mick <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I believe it listed him as "Retired" John, but I'm not positive. His car > was still running and responding to the throttle input. And the gear > selector would show the gears switching. It wasn't like a normal game > "freeze" where you get booted because of your connection or something.. > He said he could see us going by, and his game sounds were all still > fine. His chat was still working, and we were having him call for a tow > truck, and everything we could think of, but his car was just stuck in > the pits.. > Both incidents happened at Phoenix, so I'm not sure if it's a global bug > or not.. Mick > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > What did it say in the results, as the reason for his leaving? > > > > -John

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>I feel that there is certainly a new black flag bug at Las Vegas that was >introduced with the latest patch. Here's the results file from our recent >league race there..... > >http://www.wsrlracing.com/fri_stat/10%2026%20vegas.html > >My racers typically have a total of 3-5 penalties per race. At that Las >Vegas race, there were over 50 black flags between 17 racers. >

Wow - I didn't know you got a list of penalties. Does that only happen with online races? I've gotten a black flag offline, but I never saw it in the report... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <3be59624$[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes: > Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any. Every time I've >heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently. People >getting unsafe entry/exit penalities, i.e. think it's a bug.........until >they see they drove over the yellow line, on grass, etc. I hate the fact that you can't use 'auto-brake' anymore to be safe from speeding on pit lane. The WC cars have a rev-limiter, don't they??? Why don't we? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Yes, it would. But, it should be served concurrently with the speeding penalty, if I understand the rules correctly. Anyway, in this case, I was pitting under green. Gerald "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> When you sped going into the pits, did you pass anyone on the track under > yellow before/during entering the pits, including on the apron going into > the pits, etc.? > That would be a black flag. > > -John > > > Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > No ideas, other than that I share your suspicion that it is a bug... > > > > I was racing at NC last week and got in a wreck. My car was really > > beat up and so I knew I was going to be in the pits a long time > > anyway, and since the pits were empty at the time, I just sped to my > > stall. I got the 15 second penalty, and then was given the go ahead. > > Then, back on the speedway, I kept getting a "you're going to have to > > come in to serve this black flag" message. So I went in and served > > it, and after that everything was OK. > > > > Didn't go back and watch the replay, but I don't remember doing > > anything that could have remotely caused another black flag besides > > the one for speeding, and certainly didn't receive any messages from > > my spotter about one. > > > > Hope they fix it soon if the bug is as pervasive as it seems. > > > > > > Gerald > > > > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<ocBE7.47368$[email hidden]>... > > > Have noticed in several different league races over the past week: 1) At > > > North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped so he > got a > > > 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turned > green, > > > spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits. Regardless of > gear, > > > engine revved and he could not move. He had to retire. 2)At Phoenix: > Leader > > > comes in under yellow for tires and gas. At the end of a normal 14.9 > second > > > stop, same deal. Engine revving and regardles of gear, he could not > move. He > > > had to retire. 3)Last night at Bristol: One driver had a good pitstop > early > > > on, and there after he could not get tires. He'd come in, get gas, and > they > > > would tell him to "Go Go Go" with no tire changing going on at all. This > > > driver was BF's early inrace. came in under green and they pitted him, > not a > > > stop and go. There after he got no tires in 4 tries. > > > > > > This has happened in the past 7 days, to 3 different drivers on 2 > different > > > servers. Any ideas? > > > > > > (Would have postd this at Papy, but their board is apparently down for > > > maintenance...)

no I don't think WC cars do have a rev limiter. They run a few passes down pitlane in 2nd to check the needed rpm and then (gasp!) drive in under the limit. dave henrie "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3be59624$[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any. Every timeI've > >heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently. People > >getting unsafe entry/exit penalities, i.e. think it's a bug.........until > >they see they drove over the yellow line, on grass, etc. > > I hate the fact that you can't use 'auto-brake' anymore to be safe from > speeding on pit lane. The WC cars have a rev-limiter, don't they??? Whydon't

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> we? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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Yes, that was nice in the previous Nx versions for sure. Re the rev limiters, they do exist, but they're not used for pace/pit speed, only to limit max rpms. -John EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3be59624$[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Could be a bug true, but personally, I haven't seen any. Every timeI've > >heard of a flag, etc. bug, replay view has shown differently. People > >getting unsafe entry/exit penalities, i.e. think it's a bug.........until > >they see they drove over the yellow line, on grass, etc. > > I hate the fact that you can't use 'auto-brake' anymore to be safe from > speeding on pit lane. The WC cars have a rev-limiter, don't they??? Whydon't

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> we? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Actually, if you pass under yellow, no matter where, you have to come back in later via bf. But since this was under green, that doesn't matter :) Not sure why you'd get a bf for a green flag pit stop, very strange to be sure. -John Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yes, it would. But, it should be served concurrently with the > speeding penalty, if I understand the rules correctly. > > Anyway, in this case, I was pitting under green. > > > Gerald > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>... > > When you sped going into the pits, did you pass anyone on the trackunder > > yellow before/during entering the pits, including on the apron goinginto

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> > the pits, etc.? > > That would be a black flag. > > > > -John > > > > > > Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > No ideas, other than that I share your suspicion that it is a bug... > > > > > > I was racing at NC last week and got in a wreck. My car was really > > > beat up and so I knew I was going to be in the pits a long time > > > anyway, and since the pits were empty at the time, I just sped to my > > > stall. I got the 15 second penalty, and then was given the go ahead. > > > Then, back on the speedway, I kept getting a "you're going to have to > > > come in to serve this black flag" message. So I went in and served > > > it, and after that everything was OK. > > > > > > Didn't go back and watch the replay, but I don't remember doing > > > anything that could have remotely caused another black flag besides > > > the one for speeding, and certainly didn't receive any messages from > > > my spotter about one. > > > > > > Hope they fix it soon if the bug is as pervasive as it seems. > > > > > > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:<ocBE7.47368$[email hidden]>... > > > > Have noticed in several different league races over the past week:

1) At > > > > North Carolina: A driver came into the pits during a race, sped sohe

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> > got a > > > > 15 sec "Hold" penalty. At the end of the 15 seconds the time turned > > green, > > > > spotter never said Go and he could not leave the pits. Regardless of > > gear, > > > > engine revved and he could not move. He had to retire. 2)At Phoenix: > > Leader > > > > comes in under yellow for tires and gas. At the end of a normal 14.9 > > second > > > > stop, same deal. Engine revving and regardles of gear, he could not > > move. He > > > > had to retire. 3)Last night at Bristol: One driver had a good

pitstop > > early > > > > on, and there after he could not get tires. He'd come in, get gas,and > > they > > > > would tell him to "Go Go Go" with no tire changing going on at all.This > > > > driver was BF's early inrace. came in under green and they pittedhim,

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> > not a > > > > stop and go. There after he got no tires in 4 tries. > > > > > > > > This has happened in the past 7 days, to 3 different drivers on 2 > > different > > > > servers. Any ideas? > > > > > > > > (Would have postd this at Papy, but their board is apparently down

for > > > > maintenance...)

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>No ideas, other than that I share your suspicion that it is a bug... > >I was racing at NC last week and got in a wreck. My car was really >beat up and so I knew I was going to be in the pits a long time >anyway, and since the pits were empty at the time, I just sped to my >stall. I got the 15 second penalty, and then was given the go ahead. >Then, back on the speedway, I kept getting a "you're going to have to >come in to serve this black flag" message. So I went in and served >it, and after that everything was OK. > >Didn't go back and watch the replay, but I don't remember doing >anything that could have remotely caused another black flag besides >the one for speeding, and certainly didn't receive any messages from >my spotter about one.

But, speeding on pit road WILL draw the black flag. The fact that your pitstop was very lenghty doesn't matter. You still have to answer the flag for the infraction. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <iGSF7.26916$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > no I don't think WC cars do have a rev limiter. They run a few passes >down pitlane in 2nd to check the needed rpm and then (gasp!) drive in under >the limit. >dave henrie I've had problems trying to deal with the AI in pit lane. I have to worry about getting *close* to the limit, while dodging the AI going in and out, and trying to find my OWN pit. I've gotten a black flag for going *1* mph over the limit for one FRAME. Meanwhile, the AI hits the limit, stays right at it, no problem. Not fair, dammit...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well, I served it at the end of my stop. "They are holding us 15 seconds"... etc. To my knowledge, I didn't speed leaving the pits, or get above the blend line, and it was green flag racing, so the passing rules don't apply. After passing the S/F line, my spotter starts saying I have to come in.... it is as if I never served the penalty for speeding into the pits. In any case, either I drove illegally and it didn't inform me properly, or it never gave me credit for serving the penalty. Either way it is a bug. My memory could be flaky. I wish I had saved the replay. G [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Gerald Moore) writes: > > >No ideas, other than that I share your suspicion that it is a bug... > > > >I was racing at NC last week and got in a wreck. My car was really > >beat up and so I knew I was going to be in the pits a long time > >anyway, and since the pits were empty at the time, I just sped to my > >stall. I got the 15 second penalty, and then was given the go ahead. > >Then, back on the speedway, I kept getting a "you're going to have to > >come in to serve this black flag" message. So I went in and served > >it, and after that everything was OK. > > > >Didn't go back and watch the replay, but I don't remember doing > >anything that could have remotely caused another black flag besides > >the one for speeding, and certainly didn't receive any messages from > >my spotter about one. > > But, speeding on pit road WILL draw the black flag. The fact that your pitstop > was very lenghty doesn't matter. You still have to answer the flag for the > infraction. > > Eldred

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>Subject: Re: N4 Bug report for Papy and/or Eric Bush >From: "John Pancoast" [email hidden] >Date: 11/06/2001 12:25 AM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > Hmm......definately strange, to be sure. If you haven't already, put it >on the Sierra board and see what, if anything, comes from it. > > Fwiw, last week, I ran a 75% online race at Phoenix, and didn't hear of >this happening, so who knows whats up. > > It sounds like the code is holding him for a reason, but definately not >sure about that. > >-John

I got trapped in the pits once with a penalty for some infraction....I think I spun onto entrance of pit road at Daytona or Dega. got a black flag for speeding even though I hadn't actually pitted. When I pitted to clear the flag I got serviced then the official stood in fron of car looking at his watch and never released me from the pits. There were about 14-15 laps left and I did them all in the pits. Of course this was before the 1.3patch. DB (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

> "EldredP" wrote ... > > The WC cars have a rev-limiter, don't they "Dave Henrie" wrote ... > no I don't think WC cars do have a rev limiter. They run a few passes > down pitlane in 2nd to check the needed rpm and then (gasp!) drive in under > the limit. Correct, no rev limiter on WC cars. Actually, the teams can determine the needed rpm's ahead of time with a simple calculator -- they know the speed limit and they know what ratio gear they're running, and they do the math. They confirm the needed rpm when the pace car leads them down pit road one time at the speed limit and they watch the tach. In addition, because the accordion effect of 22 rows of cars can introduce a substantial error in that pace-car-speedometer-to-race-car-tach conversion, you'll often (if not always) see a second pace car that leads the back half of the field until they've made their pit lane run-through.

Run his ass over :) -Larry "PHYDEAUX99" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Subject: Re: N4 Bug report for Papy and/or Eric Bush > >From: "John Pancoast" [email hidden] > >Date: 11/06/2001 12:25 AM Eastern Standard Time > >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > > > Hmm......definately strange, to be sure. If you haven't already, putit

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> >on the Sierra board and see what, if anything, comes from it. > > > > Fwiw, last week, I ran a 75% online race at Phoenix, and didn't hear of > >this happening, so who knows whats up. > > > > It sounds like the code is holding him for a reason, but definately not > >sure about that. > > > >-John > > I got trapped in the pits once with a penalty for some infraction....I

think I > spun onto entrance of pit road at Daytona or Dega. got a black flag for > speeding even though I hadn't actually pitted. When I pitted to clear theflag > I got serviced then the official stood in fron of car looking at his watchand > never released me from the pits. There were about 14-15 laps left and Idid

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> them all in the pits. Of course this was before the 1.3patch. > > DB > > > (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail) >

I always set 1st gear to top out about 1 mph under the speed limit. Then, I just keep it near the limit on pit road, and I stay out of trouble. My biggest problem is speeding by accident, not on purpose :) -Larry "Don Jennings" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9suhoj$162krq$[email hidden]... > "EldredP" wrote ... > > The WC cars have a rev-limiter, don't they "Dave Henrie" wrote ... > no I don't think WC cars do have a rev limiter. They run a few passes > down pitlane in 2nd to check the needed rpm and then (gasp!) drive inunder > the limit. Correct, no rev limiter on WC cars. Actually, the teams can determine the needed rpm's ahead of time with a simple calculator -- they know the speed limit and they know what ratio gear they're running, and they do the math. They confirm the needed rpm when the pace car leads them down pit road one time at the speed limit and they watch the tach. In addition, because the accordion effect of 22 rows of cars can introduce a substantial error in that pace-car-speedometer-to-race-car-tach conversion, you'll often (if not always) see a second pace car that leads the back half of the field until they've made their pit lane run-through.

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> > "EldredP" wrote ... > > > The WC cars have a rev-limiter, don't they > > "Dave Henrie" wrote ... > > no I don't think WC cars do have a rev limiter. They run a few passes > > down pitlane in 2nd to check the needed rpm and then (gasp!) drive in under > > the limit. > > Correct, no rev limiter on WC cars. Actually, the teams can determine the needed rpm's ahead of time with a simple calculator -- they know the speed limit and they know what ratio gear they're running, and they do the math. They confirm the needed rpm when the pace car leads them down pit road one time at the speed limit and they watch the tach. In addition, because the accordion effect of 22 rows of cars can introduce a substantial error in that pace-car-speedometer-to-race-car-tach conversion, you'll often (if not always) see a second pace car that leads the back half of the field until they've made their pit lane run-through.

So that is the reason for the second pace car. When I watched the trucks race at California Speedway on CART qualifying day last year, I asked someone sitting next to me about the second pace car and the answer was: "NASCAR always use two pacecars at the beginning of the pace laps" :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

This has started happening with more frequency since the new 1.3 patch arrived.. I've witnessed it on numerous occasions, and had it happen to me personally once. Most of the time it's been when a driver comes in to serve a black flag infraction, and is never allowed to return to the track. But I've also heard of it happening when a car just stops for a routine pitstop. I posted to the Papy board, and got replies from racers that have had the same thing happen, but nothing from any of the Papy guys.. Unless it starts hitting more people, and more complaints come in, I doubt if anything will be done about it.. Even then, I doubt if anything would be done.. I get the impression Papy has washed their hands of Nascar Racing 4.. PHYDEAUX99 wrote:

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> > >Subject: Re: N4 Bug report for Papy and/or Eric Bush > >From: "John Pancoast" [email hidden] > >Date: 11/06/2001 12:25 AM Eastern Standard Time > >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > > > Hmm......definately strange, to be sure. If you haven't already, put it > >on the Sierra board and see what, if anything, comes from it.