N5 wish list

Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? Off the top of my head: - improved vehicle damage model - debris on track causes cut tires - blown engines drop oil - fire! fire! FIRE! - dynamic weather during race - larger textures for cars - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... Cheers, Gerald

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> Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > Off the top of my head: > > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > Cheers, > Gerald

I agree with everything but settibng the game in the past. I want a *modern* NASCAR sim, lol. Also, give us more options for tuning during a race, specifically the ability to change the brake bias from within the car like the real cup cars can now. Also, move the cockpit view over and up where it should be. As it is now we have a lowered *tv in-car* instead of a real driving position. I've been in cup cars and even driven one at Fast Track Driving school down in Charlotte, you CAN see the hood when sitting in one of these things.

I have a feeling N5 will be the expansion pack type thing. Kinda like NR99. I really doubt they will redo everything in less than a year. I do like the 1980s idea alot. MadDAWG

Hi Since you asked, I'd rather the skipped the whole and went to work on GPL2 (hey, I can dream) George On 9 Nov 2001 07:09:45 -0800, [email hidden] (Gerald Moore) wrote:

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>Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release >(yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > >Off the top of my head: > >- improved vehicle damage model >- debris on track causes cut tires >- blown engines drop oil >- fire! fire! FIRE! >- dynamic weather during race >- larger textures for cars >- set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > >Cheers, >Gerald

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> Hi > > Since you asked, I'd rather the skipped the whole and went to work on > GPL2 > > (hey, I can dream) > > George

FWIW, IF they plan on releasing GPL2 next fall, then they are already well underway. While both may be based on the same code, there will be two teams working out the details I would think. dave henrie

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> > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars

Oki, I'll swallow this bait too and would like to add: - being able to see more Pitcrew's (i.e the competition) - the ability to use worn ("scrubbed") tires during practise sessions - imporved spotter / crewchief (give the spotter more "AI") - the ability to loose one cylinder and still be able to complete the race - better engine-damage model - ability to see whilch part of a tire that get's worn first: I / M / O (i.e. spilt the "wear-bar" into 3 "dots" that change colour according to wear: Green => Yellow =>Red => Gone! Once one of the three "dots" have gone - the tire has blown (puncture). - a better solution to the "wall-riding problem" -- ed_ -- NOTE! Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to some spammers that has bothered me one time to many! This weeks winners: [email hidden] - Eat this - suckers!

I have to disagree with you about the view. It really depends upon the driver as to their view. Dale Earnhardt sat very low in his car and could not see his hood. Dale Jr does not see his hood, however some others may. Everyone has a different seating position. Maybe make it a little adjustable, now that would be nice "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KuSG7.8974$[email hidden]...

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> > Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > > > Off the top of my head: > > > > - improved vehicle damage model > > - debris on track causes cut tires > > - blown engines drop oil > > - fire! fire! FIRE! > > - dynamic weather during race > > - larger textures for cars > > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > > > > Cheers, > > Gerald > > I agree with everything but settibng the game in the past. I want a

*modern* > NASCAR sim, lol. Also, give us more options for tuning during a race, > specifically the ability to change the brake bias from within the car like > the real cup cars can now. Also, move the cockpit view over and up whereit > should be. As it is now we have a lowered *tv in-car* instead of a real > driving position. I've been in cup cars and even driven one at Fast Track > Driving school down in Charlotte, you CAN see the hood when sitting inone > of these things. > >

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> Oki, I'll swallow this bait too and would like to add: > > - being able to see more Pitcrew's (i.e the competition) > - the ability to use worn ("scrubbed") tires during practise sessions > - imporved spotter / crewchief (give the spotter more "AI") > - the ability to loose one cylinder and still be able to complete the race > - better engine-damage model > - ability to see whilch part of a tire that get's worn first: I / M / O > (i.e. spilt the "wear-bar" into 3 "dots" that change colour according to > wear: Green => Yellow =>Red => Gone! Once one of the three "dots" have > gone - the tire has blown (puncture). > - a better solution to the "wall-riding problem"

Here here on the wall riding deal. I don't have many problems with it as-is, but T3-4 at Darlington are terrbile, I mean you HAVE to brush those on occasion... I have seen a guy emitting engine smoke (like he had lost a cylinder) and he managed to smoke his way around 5 laps at Watkins Glen to finish a race. Wonder what that was? (No sarcasm, general curiousity) Punctured or blown tires. They are close, I've driven so far past *red* that my tire no longer registered any air pressure. But driving over debris to cause a puncture would be neat, but they will never implementt it. With the amount of criticism I see about how "unrealistic" the grip is and how newbies can't go a lap without spinning after first getting the game, they'll never make it this real or it simply won't sell.

Didn't SCGT or Viper have an adjustable seating position? Or maybe NFS Porsche? Anyway, it should be an easy thing to implement. Up/Down, and Forward/Back. Hell, maybe even Left/Right so you could try driving a stock car from the right hand "seat" <g> "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have to disagree with you about the view. > > It really depends upon the driver as to their view. Dale Earnhardt satvery

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> low in his car and could not see his hood. Dale Jr does not see his hood, > however some others may. > > Everyone has a different seating position. Maybe make it a little > adjustable, now that would be nice > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KuSG7.8974$[email hidden]... > > > > Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > > > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > > > > > Off the top of my head: > > > > > > - improved vehicle damage model > > > - debris on track causes cut tires > > > - blown engines drop oil > > > - fire! fire! FIRE! > > > - dynamic weather during race > > > - larger textures for cars > > > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Gerald > > > > I agree with everything but settibng the game in the past. I want a > *modern* > > NASCAR sim, lol. Also, give us more options for tuning during a race, > > specifically the ability to change the brake bias from within the car

like > > the real cup cars can now. Also, move the cockpit view over and up where > it > > should be. As it is now we have a lowered *tv in-car* instead of a real > > driving position. I've been in cup cars and even driven one at FastTrack

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> > Driving school down in Charlotte, you CAN see the hood when sitting in > one > > of these things. > > > > > >

open wheel sim either CART or F1

This is actually a damn good idea! Allowing for "personalized seating posistion" within a set "box" or boundries would be great! Allow for each driver to choose his own posistion so that those who like to sit upfront and/or uphigh can see the hood and those that like to sit low or further back will see more of the sky... Naturally the change of seating posistion will come at a prize... - weigth! Move the seating posistion around and you move the centre of gravity around... - the higher you sit the more you roll :-) Damn... this *is* a good idea! -- ed_ "Rob Adams" wrote: > Anyway, it should be an easy thing to implement. Up/Down, and > Forward/Back. Hell, maybe even Left/Right so you could try driving a stock > car from the right hand "seat" <g>

Oops, I never thought of the impact on CofG. "Feature creep" here we come! "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_6VG7.14049$[email hidden]... > This is actually a damn good idea! > > Allowing for "personalized seating posistion" within a set "box" or > boundries would be great! > Allow for each driver to choose his own posistion so that those who liketo > sit upfront and/or uphigh can see the hood and those that like to sit lowor

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> further back will see more of the sky... > > Naturally the change of seating posistion will come at a prize... - > weigth! Move the seating posistion around and you move the centre of > gravity around... - the higher you sit the more you roll :-) > > Damn... this *is* a good idea! > > -- > ed_ > > "Rob Adams" wrote: > > > Anyway, it should be an easy thing to implement. Up/Down, and > > Forward/Back. Hell, maybe even Left/Right so you could try driving a

stock > > car from the right hand "seat" <g> > > >

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> > This is actually a damn good idea! > > Allowing for "personalized seating posistion" within a set "box" or > boundries would be great! > Allow for each driver to choose his own posistion so that those who like to > sit upfront and/or uphigh can see the hood and those that like to sit low or > further back will see more of the sky... > > Naturally the change of seating posistion will come at a prize... - > weigth! Move the seating posistion around and you move the centre of > gravity around... - the higher you sit the more you roll :-) > > Damn... this *is* a good idea! > > -- > ed_

Agreed, *but*... How much will we (the driver) weigh? <g> -- Fester

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> > Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > Off the top of my head: > > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars

Yes! Add an adjustable figure to force you to make the field. Say 45 drivers vying for 42 positions. > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... Save this for NASCAR Legends 2. They sure shoulda waited to release NL with the N4 engine, I think it would have fared much better. -- Fester

Uncle Fester wrote: > > Yes! Add an adjustable figure to force you to make the field. Say 45 > drivers vying for 42 positions. errr... make that an adjustable FEATURE. Geeezz... -- Fester

So what price would the guys who fly behind the car pay? Arcade views would have to model the increased drag of a body flying above and behind the car attached by a remote control teather.....as well as the whiplash effect when cornering... dave henrie "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_6VG7.14049$[email hidden]... > This is actually a damn good idea! > > Allowing for "personalized seating posistion" within a set "box" or > boundries would be great! > Allow for each driver to choose his own posistion so that those who liketo > sit upfront and/or uphigh can see the hood and those that like to sit lowor

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> further back will see more of the sky... > > Naturally the change of seating posistion will come at a prize... - > weigth! Move the seating posistion around and you move the centre of > gravity around... - the higher you sit the more you roll :-) > > Damn... this *is* a good idea! > > -- > ed_ > > "Rob Adams" wrote: > > > Anyway, it should be an easy thing to implement. Up/Down, and > > Forward/Back. Hell, maybe even Left/Right so you could try driving a

stock > > car from the right hand "seat" <g> > > >

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Uncle Fester wrote: > > > > Yes! Add an adjustable figure to force you to make the field. Say 45 > > drivers vying for 42 positions. kinda like you get to pick what the Marlboro Girls look like? Short and wide vs tall &...... dave henrie

And a trim tab for the controller... No, I will never give up. No surrender :) -Larry "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > Off the top of my head: > > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > Cheers, > Gerald

Yes, but we don't have to worry about getting real hot in the car either... LOL "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oRWG7.8519$[email hidden]... > So what price would the guys who fly behind the car pay? Arcade views > would have to model the increased drag of a body flying above and behindthe > car attached by a remote control teather.....as well as the whiplasheffect

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> when cornering... > dave henrie > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_6VG7.14049$[email hidden]... > > This is actually a damn good idea! > > > > Allowing for "personalized seating posistion" within a set "box" or > > boundries would be great! > > Allow for each driver to choose his own posistion so that those who like > to > > sit upfront and/or uphigh can see the hood and those that like to sit

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> or > > further back will see more of the sky... > > > > Naturally the change of seating posistion will come at a prize... - > > weigth! Move the seating posistion around and you move the centre of > > gravity around... - the higher you sit the more you roll :-) > > > > Damn... this *is* a good idea! > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > "Rob Adams" wrote: > > > > > Anyway, it should be an easy thing to implement. Up/Down, and > > > Forward/Back. Hell, maybe even Left/Right so you could try driving a > stock > > > car from the right hand "seat" <g> > > > > > > > >

"SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<KuSG7.8974$[email hidden]>... > give us more options for tuning during a race, specifically the ability to change the brake bias from within the car like the real cup cars can now. Yes, this would be a nice touch. > Also, move the cockpit view over and up where it should be. As it is now we > have a lowered *tv in-car* instead of a real driving position. I've been in > cup cars and even driven one at Fast Track Driving school down in Charlotte, > you CAN see the hood when sitting in one of these things. Not sure what you mean here. Is the current view from too high or too low in the car, relative to where the driver sits? On high-banked ovals you want to be as low as possible to maximize your view around the corner. Actually, to me it seems rather far back, but I think this is to give us a wider FOV. Here's something else: enable the hat switch so we can look around better and not have to rely on the tiny mirror so much. Gerald

Realistic realtime qualification procedures -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > Off the top of my head: > > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > Cheers, > Gerald

- Virtual cockpit, like in flight simulators, i.e. instead of having three fixed viewing angles (forward, left, and right) I want free head rotation so that I can look into the turns as I approach them. No idea how you would handle that from a controller standpoint, but I still think it would be a cool feature. - FOV adjustment in the options menu. One size does not fit all. - As someone else mentioned, being able to move the eyepoint around within a realistic range. Those three things would end all the discussion about the usefulness and accuracy of the cockpit view once and for all, IMO. If you don't like it, you can change it. "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > Off the top of my head: > > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > Cheers, > Gerald

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> Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > Off the top of my head: > > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > Cheers, > Gerald

A comprehensive (hopefully user-friendly) track editor, so I can try all those fantasy tracks I have designed in my head. I know, I know, a cold day in heck, but this IS a wish list... John DiFool

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > 1) Improved FPS - this game sorely needs a more optimized graphics engine. 2) A server with no GUI at all, striicly console stuff, or a plain windows app that allows you to make changes through dialogs, etc. 3) Ability to paint wheels individually (per car). 4) Dynamic time (day to night) 5) Better wire frames (more rectangles/triangles), more defined car shapes 6) Better visuals (car damage, wall damage, tire marks through grass) 7) Improve damage model where when the car takes a beating, so does it's performance on the track. 8) Remove car flipping. 9) Get rid of cheesey WON and do something more like VROC 10) Realistic debris, oil, etc. 11) More road courses. 12) Allow us to add more "blank" skins to be used when we don't have another online driver's car file. Only haveing 8 is kinda rediculous since there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for their selection.

Yeah, that would. WW2 fighters had adjustable cockpit seats, it was pretty cool - you could raise or lower, and move foward or backward to the view that you most preferred. Don Burnette "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have to disagree with you about the view. > > It really depends upon the driver as to their view. Dale Earnhardt satvery

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> low in his car and could not see his hood. Dale Jr does not see his hood, > however some others may. > > Everyone has a different seating position. Maybe make it a little > adjustable, now that would be nice > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KuSG7.8974$[email hidden]... > > > > Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > > > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > > > > > Off the top of my head: > > > > > > - improved vehicle damage model > > > - debris on track causes cut tires > > > - blown engines drop oil > > > - fire! fire! FIRE! > > > - dynamic weather during race > > > - larger textures for cars > > > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Gerald > > > > I agree with everything but settibng the game in the past. I want a > *modern* > > NASCAR sim, lol. Also, give us more options for tuning during a race, > > specifically the ability to change the brake bias from within the car

like > > the real cup cars can now. Also, move the cockpit view over and up where > it > > should be. As it is now we have a lowered *tv in-car* instead of a real > > driving position. I've been in cup cars and even driven one at FastTrack

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> > Driving school down in Charlotte, you CAN see the hood when sitting in > one > > of these things. > > > > > >

Yes now that is fun!!!! Chad "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tLXG7.24865$[email hidden]...

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> Realistic realtime qualification procedures > > -- > Mike Grandy > www.precision-racing.com > "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > > > Off the top of my head: > > > > - improved vehicle damage model > > - debris on track causes cut tires > > - blown engines drop oil > > - fire! fire! FIRE! > > - dynamic weather during race > > - larger textures for cars > > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > > > > Cheers, > > Gerald > >

Uncle Fester wrote: > Agreed, *but*... How much will we (the driver) weigh? <g> "Standard" weight for one male driver as used by the auto industry (at least on this side of the pond); 75 kg. -- ed_

Arcade views only permitted unless the server enforce use of cockpit view (i.e the "box"). -- ed_ Dave Henrie wrote: > So what price would the guys who fly behind the car pay? Arcade views > would have to model the increased drag of a body flying above and behind the > car attached by a remote control teather.....as well as the whiplash effect > when cornering...

In article <tLXG7.24865$[email hidden]>, "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> writes: >Realistic realtime qualification procedures Realistic, as in one car at a time? Not quite sure what you're saying here... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Here's something else: enable the hat switch so we can look around >better and not have to rely on the tiny mirror so much. How about a mandatory Hanns Device so that ya can't look around? -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

How 'bout get your own newsgroup? Alanb "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > Off the top of my head: > > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > Cheers, > Gerald

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>Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release >(yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? >Off the top of my head: >- improved vehicle damage model >- debris on track causes cut tires >- blown engines drop oil >- fire! fire! FIRE! >- dynamic weather during race >- larger textures for cars >- set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... >Cheers, >Gerald

Hell yea the wreakers will love the fire. -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

I'd like to see the 2002 schedule. Tired of seeing the 2000 schedule in the 2001 product. All the pitcrews being shown would be cool for those of us with the horsepower to show them. Chicagoland and Kansas. -Tim "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > Off the top of my head: > > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > Cheers, > Gerald

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> > Uncle Fester wrote: > > > Agreed, *but*... How much will we (the driver) weigh? <g> > > "Standard" weight for one male driver as used by the auto industry (at > least on this side of the pond); 75 kg. > > -- > ed_

Damn... grow them little over there, don't they? <g> -- Fester

How About, GET THE SUNSET RIGHT IN DAYTONA NIGHT ! -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

In article <WT%G7.5750$[email hidden]>, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> writes: >How 'bout get your own newsgroup? > >Alanb Why? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Why? Well, because in that way all you guys who shriek-- "CART!", "What Papyrus Should Do", "GPL" this and "GPL" that, "OT Fox Sports!" can go somewhere else, get your own elitist newsgroup, and all of us can rest in your happiness and our own. Alanb "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <WT%G7.5750$[email hidden]>, "Alan Bernardo" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >How 'bout get your own newsgroup? > > > >Alanb > > Why? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ROFLMAO that was funny. "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Gerald Moore wrote: > > A comprehensive (hopefully user-friendly) > track editor, so I can try all those fantasy tracks > I have designed in my head. I know, I know, a > cold day in heck, but this IS a wish list... > > John DiFool > >

This is one of the things tht Nascar Heat does better. You can SEE where your front-end is. You can't in N4. I think this is what causes a lot of off-corner 'incidents'. -Larry "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<KuSG7.8974$[email hidden]>... > > > give us more options for tuning during a race, specifically the abilityto change the brake bias from within the car like the real cup cars can now. > > Yes, this would be a nice touch. > > > Also, move the cockpit view over and up where it should be. As it is nowwe > > have a lowered *tv in-car* instead of a real driving position. I've beenin > > cup cars and even driven one at Fast Track Driving school down inCharlotte,

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> > you CAN see the hood when sitting in one of these things. > > Not sure what you mean here. Is the current view from too high or too > low in the car, relative to where the driver sits? On high-banked > ovals you want to be as low as possible to maximize your view around > the corner. Actually, to me it seems rather far back, but I think > this is to give us a wider FOV. > > Here's something else: enable the hat switch so we can look around > better and not have to rely on the tiny mirror so much. > > Gerald

>"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > How 'bout get your own newsgroup? Stop trolling Alan, the ridicule doesn't suit you well. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > Why? Well, because in that way all you guys who shriek-- "CART!", "What > Papyrus Should Do", "GPL" this and "GPL" that, "OT Fox Sports!" can go > somewhere else, get your own elitist newsgroup, and all of us can rest in > your happiness and our own. That's the most childish and naive thing I've read here in months. 1) Go ahead and create your own rec.autos.simulators.non-papy newsgroup (this won't ever happen, but good luck anyway). 2) Filter the terms "GPL", "CART" or any term that actually refers to the charter of this newsgroup. I mean, what don't you understand in rec.autos.simulators ??? We should start talking about Pez dispenser to please you? 3) Get the FUCK out of this newsgroup if you aren't pleased by this place. We aren't your slaves. Post information about those supposed other sims if you want to talk about them. Nobody forces you to post about GPL. It's the third time in less then a week that you troll here Alan. I pity you. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I've found it's theTurns that cause missing corners. btw...still running without FF and Heat without a trim tab :) dave henrie "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ch4H7.17331$[email hidden]...

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> This is one of the things tht Nascar Heat does better. You can SEE where > your front-end is. You can't in N4. > > I think this is what causes a lot of off-corner 'incidents'. > > -Larry > > "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<KuSG7.8974$[email hidden]>... > > > > > give us more options for tuning during a race, specifically the

ability > to change the brake bias from within the car like the real cup cars cannow. > > > > Yes, this would be a nice touch. > > > > > Also, move the cockpit view over and up where it should be. As it isnow > we > > > have a lowered *tv in-car* instead of a real driving position. I'vebeen

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> in > > > cup cars and even driven one at Fast Track Driving school down in > Charlotte, > > > you CAN see the hood when sitting in one of these things. > > > > Not sure what you mean here. Is the current view from too high or too > > low in the car, relative to where the driver sits? On high-banked > > ovals you want to be as low as possible to maximize your view around > > the corner. Actually, to me it seems rather far back, but I think > > this is to give us a wider FOV. > > > > Here's something else: enable the hat switch so we can look around > > better and not have to rely on the tiny mirror so much. > > > > Gerald > >

Why is it so "childish" and "naive"? Maybe I can understand the first, but the naive thing is puzzling to me. Why can't Nascar and GPL have their own newsgroups? You guys just go rehash the same things over and over and over and it gets rather tedious in here, almost makes a person want to shuck this group completely. With your own newsgroup you guys can all try to dominate yourself instead of trying to elitist your way into this group and ruin in for most of us. Seems like a fair proposal to me and not at all, as you say, childish and naive. Alanb "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lf6H7.21850$[email hidden]... > >"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Why? Well, because in that way all you guys who shriek-- "CART!", "What > > Papyrus Should Do", "GPL" this and "GPL" that, "OT Fox Sports!" can go > > somewhere else, get your own elitist newsgroup, and all of us can restin

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> you want to talk about them. Nobody forces you to post about GPL. > > > > It's the third time in less then a week that you troll here Alan. I pity > you. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

In article <6%1H7.6044$[email hidden]>, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> writes: >Why? Well, because in that way all you guys who shriek-- "CART!", "What >Papyrus Should Do", "GPL" this and "GPL" that, "OT Fox Sports!" can go >somewhere else, get your own elitist newsgroup, and all of us can rest in >your happiness and our own. How is it 'elitest' to ask people what they'd like to see in a future game? It seems like discussing ideas is a GOOD thing. That's the whole point of newsgroups anyway, isn't it? If you want to talk about a different(non-Papy, apparently) sim, start a thread! People will join...there are many favorite sims represented here. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The VRW is doing realtime qualifications where you line up on pit road and official send you out one car at a time. It works great and you get to see everyone qualify. It's done in a practice session. -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <tLXG7.24865$[email hidden]>, "Mike Grandy" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Realistic realtime qualification procedures > > Realistic, as in one car at a time? Not quite sure what you're saying here... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

How about you take your sorry ass and go somewhere else. This group is to discuss auto simulations and that what is being discussed. Who the f*** do you think you are. -- "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6%1H7.6044$[email hidden]... > Why? Well, because in that way all you guys who shriek-- "CART!", "What > Papyrus Should Do", "GPL" this and "GPL" that, "OT Fox Sports!" can go > somewhere else, get your own elitist newsgroup, and all of us can rest in > your happiness and our own. > > Alanb > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <WT%G7.5750$[email hidden]>, "Alan Bernardo" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >How 'bout get your own newsgroup? > > > > > >Alanb > > > > Why? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

This group was born from Nascar. It has thrived on Nascar and Papy sims for years. Isn't there somewhere you need to be. -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_gbH7.8337$[email hidden]... > Why is it so "childish" and "naive"? Maybe I can understand the first, but > the naive thing is puzzling to me. > > Why can't Nascar and GPL have their own newsgroups? You guys just go rehash > the same things over and over and over and it gets rather tedious in here, > almost makes a person want to shuck this group completely. > > With your own newsgroup you guys can all try to dominate yourself instead of > trying to elitist your way into this group and ruin in for most of us. > > Seems like a fair proposal to me and not at all, as you say, childish and > naive. > > Alanb > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lf6H7.21850$[email hidden]... > > >"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Why? Well, because in that way all you guys who shriek-- "CART!", "What > > > Papyrus Should Do", "GPL" this and "GPL" that, "OT Fox Sports!" can go > > > somewhere else, get your own elitist newsgroup, and all of us can rest > in > > > your happiness and our own. > > > > > > That's the most childish and naive thing I've read here in months. > > > > > > 1) Go ahead and create your own rec.autos.simulators.non-papy newsgroup > > (this won't ever happen, but good luck anyway). > > 2) Filter the terms "GPL", "CART" or any term that actually refers to the > > charter of this newsgroup. I mean, what don't you understand in > > rec.autos.simulators ??? We should start talking about Pez dispenser to > > please you? > > 3) Get the FUCK out of this newsgroup if you aren't pleased by this place. > > We aren't your slaves. Post information about those supposed other sims > if > > you want to talk about them. Nobody forces you to post about GPL. > > > > > > > > It's the third time in less then a week that you troll here Alan. I pity > > you. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >

Hello...earth to Alan: there is not much else to talk about in a auto/racing simulator newsgroup. Unless someone has simulators we don't know about. Please enlighten us. Marc. "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6%1H7.6044$[email hidden]...

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> Why? Well, because in that way all you guys who shriek-- "CART!", "What > Papyrus Should Do", "GPL" this and "GPL" that, "OT Fox Sports!" can go > somewhere else, get your own elitist newsgroup, and all of us can rest in > your happiness and our own. > > Alanb > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <WT%G7.5750$[email hidden]>, "Alan

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> > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >How 'bout get your own newsgroup? > > > > > >Alanb > > > > Why? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

In article <CdcH7.43827$[email hidden]>, "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> writes: >The VRW is doing realtime qualifications where you line up on pit road and >official send you out one car at a time. It works great and you get to see >everyone qualify. It's done in a practice session. And that would take HOW long for a full field? Not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but it would add a bunch of time that might affect people's connection, or schedule... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That is true, it could affect connections. The time it takes can vary with the length of the track but like I said, it is realtime. We will attemp to qualify 40 on sunday night at Daytona and it should take about 2 hours, maybe less. It is done during a practice session so you can reconnect without problem and your time is maintained. -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <CdcH7.43827$[email hidden]>, "Mike Grandy" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >The VRW is doing realtime qualifications where you line up on pit road and > >official send you out one car at a time. It works great and you get to see > >everyone qualify. It's done in a practice session. > > And that would take HOW long for a full field? Not saying it wouldn't be > interesting, but it would add a bunch of time that might affect people's > connection, or schedule... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Im curious how you get that information to the race You recall how TEN worked, it was easy Unless your just using that qualifying to just make the race? Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac Mike Grandy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4RfH7.31355$[email hidden]... > That is true, it could affect connections. The time it takes can vary with > the length of the track but like I said, it is realtime. We will attemp to > qualify 40 on sunday night at Daytona and it should take about 2 hours, > maybe less. It is done during a practice session so you can reconnect > without problem and your time is maintained. >

In a PC simulator everyone would raise the seat to see the most track imo Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac

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> "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have to disagree with you about the view. > > > > It really depends upon the driver as to their view. Dale Earnhardt sat > very > > low in his car and could not see his hood. Dale Jr does not see his

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> > however some others may. > > > > Everyone has a different seating position. Maybe make it a little > > adjustable, now that would be nice > > > > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:KuSG7.8974$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02

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> > > > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > > > > > > > Off the top of my head: > > > > > > > > - improved vehicle damage model > > > > - debris on track causes cut tires > > > > - blown engines drop oil > > > > - fire! fire! FIRE! > > > > - dynamic weather during race > > > > - larger textures for cars > > > > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gerald > > > > > > I agree with everything but settibng the game in the past. I want a > > *modern* > > > NASCAR sim, lol. Also, give us more options for tuning during a race, > > > specifically the ability to change the brake bias from within the car > like > > > the real cup cars can now. Also, move the cockpit view over and up

where > > it > > > should be. As it is now we have a lowered *tv in-car* instead of areal > > > driving position. I've been in cup cars and even driven one at Fast > Track > > > Driving school down in Charlotte, you CAN see the hood when sittingin

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nobody wrote: > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ROFLMAO > that was funny. > Yeah, I'm well aware of that, so what else is new? :-p For some reason track owners and NASCAR all get their panties in a knot at the very mention of a track editor, while the PGA and golf course owners seem to have no problem with the various golf course design programs (Links, Jack Nicklaus) out nowadays. May not be a perfect analogy for whatever reasons, but there you have it... John DiFool

>"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > Why is it so "childish" and "naive"? Because we discuss things that are PART of the original charter of this newsgroup. Why are you surprised? You shouldn't be. Like I said, what the heck do you want us to discuss about, if not racing simulations? Just analyse the totality of the posts here, you'll see they are about every bloody sim, or PC-related situation possible. It's not Papy-centric at all. You just forget those easily, and concentrate your whining on selective posts. > Why can't Nascar and GPL have their own newsgroups? Because there is NO NEED for that. But hey go create them, if you wan't one. We don't want them, we are all perfectly happy here. Go try to form them, it'll take you 5-8 months and you won't be able at the end, because it's not needed. > You guys just go rehash > the same things over and over and over and it gets rather tedious in here, > almost makes a person want to shuck this group completely. We are perfectly happy with this newsgroup. If you aren't, then you are perfectly able to just... leave. Nobody is holding you, except if you troll. And you sure are trolling. You aren't helping at all your cause. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

TRUCK SERIES! DC REDLINE426 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ae1H7.33642$[email hidden]...

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> How About, GET THE SUNSET RIGHT IN DAYTONA NIGHT ! > > -- > 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida > > Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle > to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. > > The Chicago Daily News headline reads: > "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss" > > >

All Right,... DAYTONA SUPERBIKES ! naaaa... DAYTONA GP BIKES from the mid 70's, naaaa... HARLEY'S AND BSA'S from the Cal Rayborn Dick Mann Era, Yea.. When there was no CHICANE ! LOL -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

How about a screen that shows when others pitted last. Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release > (yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > > Off the top of my head: > > - improved vehicle damage model > - debris on track causes cut tires > - blown engines drop oil > - fire! fire! FIRE! > - dynamic weather during race > - larger textures for cars > - set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > > Cheers, > Gerald

I'll bite. I would just be happy if they fixed the bugs in the current one. As much as I play it, I would pay to have the exact same game with smarter, better AI and all the stupid bugs taken out. But... On 9 Nov 2001 07:09:45 -0800, [email hidden] (Gerald Moore) wrote: >Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release >(yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > >Off the top of my head: > >- improved vehicle damage model Yes, definetly. Just give the same damage model with a new setting called ultra-realistic so that once you hit the wall relatively hard, your done for. >- debris on track causes cut tires >- blown engines drop oil >- fire! fire! FIRE! >- dynamic weather during race Don't really care about this one. I have a hard enough time adjusting to the weather before the race. >- larger textures for cars >- set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... Leave it modern. Release this as an add-on for all those with good ol' day syndrome. (I have a touch of it myself so I would probably buy it) - Better menu interfaces - Keep car flipping in, but reduce it. I am sick of seeing a car flip in every single wreck. Brian Oster

"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:vjVG7.35068$[email hidden]: > Oops, I never thought of the impact on CofG. "Feature creep" here we > come! Spoken like a true programmer/project manager! :) Tim.

Guilty as charged (both counts) "Tim V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:vjVG7.35068$[email hidden]: > > > Oops, I never thought of the impact on CofG. "Feature creep" here we > > come! > > Spoken like a true programmer/project manager! :) > > > Tim.

Save Race! Did I say that out loud.... On 9 Nov 2001 07:09:45 -0800, [email hidden] (Gerald Moore) wrote:

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>Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release >(yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > >Off the top of my head: > >- improved vehicle damage model >- debris on track causes cut tires >- blown engines drop oil >- fire! fire! FIRE! >- dynamic weather during race >- larger textures for cars >- set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > >Cheers, >Gerald

I'd like to be able to spin off the track (well, not really) and onto pit road... recover, and get back to the race without getting a black flag for pit road penalties... On 9 Nov 2001 07:09:45 -0800, [email hidden] (Gerald Moore) wrote:

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>Since the rumors have already started flying about a March 02 release >(yeah right)... what would everybody like to see in N5? > >Off the top of my head: > >- improved vehicle damage model >- debris on track causes cut tires >- blown engines drop oil >- fire! fire! FIRE! >- dynamic weather during race >- larger textures for cars >- set the game in 1985, or 1955, or... > > >Cheers, >Gerald

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>>Off the top of my head: >> >>- improved vehicle damage model >>- debris on track causes cut tires >>- blown engines drop oil >>- fire! fire! FIRE! >>- dynamic weather during race >>- larger textures for cars >>- set the game in 1985, or 1955, or...

---better AI (easier to drive with unlike the stubborn set in there now) ---ability to have individual AI drivers with unique setups ---AI drivers who "never forget"; i.e. if I run Harvick off the road at Sonoma he is looking to get back at me later in the race. ---difference between Ford, Chevy, Pontiac, and Dodge ---include the ability to tweak the nose, etc., of each of above, just like in real NASCAR ---a setting where you can reduce all gas mileage by x% in order to necessitate pit stops in short online races. Maybe another setting to similarly increase tire wear for the same reason. ---better online racing interface. I wanna be able to screen out races according to each category; i.e., remove all races from the list that I'm not qualified for, or that are already underway, or that have a Ping of greater than 200, etc.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (meettonysoprano) writes: >---better online racing interface. I wanna be able to screen out >races according to each category; i.e., remove all races from the list >that I'm not qualified for, or that are already underway, or that have >a Ping of greater than 200, etc. Good one! The joining screen is TOO cluttered... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.